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FilmForce Article on TrekUnited >> Accusations UNFOUNDED! [message #1414] Fr, 15 April 2005 21:55
none  
http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/604/604625p1.html


Trek Report: Fandom Ethics
Questions surround the campaign to save Enterprise.

April 15, 2005 -
A Question of Ethics



The past few weeks have been, to say the least, strange in the world of the
Trek Report. As most readers know, the Trek United campaign has
continued working towards getting a fifth season of Enterprise and,
according to their reports, some headway has been made. Other people, most
notably some members of the internet fan press, have questioned Trek United's
motives and business practices, even going so far as accusing the campaign and
its organizers of misrepresenting information they've received from Paramount
and using that information to solicit more donations from fans.



Obviously, these are serious allegations. Tim Brazeal, the organizer of
the Save Enterprise and Trek United campaigns, has been quick to
answer these allegations with offers to the press to view their financial
records in an attempt to put those concerns to rest. These records have
been given to the Trek Report and while there is still a fair amount of
research to be done, it seems that the financial information is in order.
Accusations of any possible skimming of funds by the organizers appears to be
unfounded. Other accusations that the interest accumulated in the account
may be going to pay for expenses would also seem to be false - all of the
funds
pledged to the Trek United campaign are in a business account and those
accounts do not accumulate interest.



We had planned to have a more in-depth piece regarding this situation today
but some technical problems, most notably a problem with the main computer
used
by this writer to create the Trek Report, have forced us to push that
story back to next week. Other questions, including whether or not the
campaign is actually talking to anyone at Paramount, will be addressed then.
You won't want to miss it. The computer problem is also the reason for an
abbreviated Trek Report for today. The technical problems are being
worked on and you should see a full edition of the Report next week.
Re: FilmForce Article on TrekUnited >> Accusations UNFOUNDED! [message #1416 ] Fr, 15 April 2005 22:23
Count 1  
> Trek Report: Fandom Ethics
> Questions surround the campaign to save Enterprise.

Yeah...like; "Where did I leave my Jolt?"..and..."Can anyone validate me?"

> April 15, 2005 -

> The past few weeks have been, to say the least, strange in the world of
the
> Trek Report.

Just the last few weeks? I have a hard time believing there aren't strange
weeks in the world of the 'Trek Report'.

As most readers know, the Trek United campaign has
> continued working towards getting a fifth season of Enterprise and,
> according to their reports, some headway has been made. Other people,
most
> notably some members of the internet fan press,

....otherwise known as 'basement dwelling hyperactive ubernerds'...

(...)

> Obviously, these are serious allegations. Tim Brazeal, the organizer of
> the Save Enterprise and Trek United campaigns, has been quick to
> answer these allegations...

....while drinking a Mai Tai on a sunny beach in the Cayman Islands with a
suitcase of cash. "I screwed you all!" he laughed maniacally, before using
a 100 dollar bill to light up fat Cuban Cigar. "Pretty soon all this money
will be going to the global jihad movement, to continue the struggle for my
oppressed muslim brothers in....uhhhhh.....that country that ends with a
'Q'. Or an 'N'. I dunno....SHUT UP!"
***
Re: ??? [message #1417 ] Fr, 15 April 2005 23:19
Captain 20  
> The past few weeks have been, to say the least, strange in the world of
the
> Trek Report. As most readers know, the Trek United campaign has
> continued working towards getting a fifth season of Enterprise and,
> according to their reports, some headway has been made. Other people,
most
> notably some members of the internet fan press, have questioned Trek
United's
> motives and business practices, even going so far as accusing the campaign
and
> its organizers of misrepresenting information they've received from
Paramount
> and using that information to solicit more donations from fans.

> Obviously, these are serious allegations. Tim Brazeal, the organizer of
> the Save Enterprise and Trek United campaigns, has been quick to
> answer these allegations with offers to the press to view their financial
> records in an attempt to put those concerns to rest. These records have
> been given to the Trek Report and while there is still a fair amount of
> research to be done, it seems that the financial information is in order.

The opening paragraph mentions two kinds of allegations: (a) information
manipulation/misrepresentation, and (b) financial improprieties.

The "information manipulation" allegations aren't addressed in the article
at all. Not surprising, since no one - not you, not TU - has given a good
explanation as to why that 3/15 Paramount letter was kept under wraps,
*especially* since TU has not been shy at all about mentioning "informal" or
"backchannel" contacts with UPN/Paramount folks.

As of now, the only fair conclusion is that TU has manipulated information -
they've broadcasted unsubstantiated information that boosts their position,
but have kept hidden information that does not. That's just wrong, and
unless TU can come up with a good reason for that, they should admit it.

The "financial impropriety" allegations are addressed, and they give TU a
clean evaluation, but this seems strange given that they also say that there
is still a "fair amount of research" to be done. So in other words, we're
not sure yet.
Re: FilmForce Article on TrekUnited >> Accusations UNFOUNDED! [message #1418 ] Fr, 15 April 2005 23:52
Notifier Deamon  
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
Re: ??? [message #1419 ] Fr, 15 April 2005 23:58
none  
In article <GdW7e.2943$Zr.83 [at] lakeread08>, c20 [at] setyrtfj.77com says...
>
>
>> The past few weeks have been, to say the least, strange in the world of
>the
>> Trek Report. As most readers know, the Trek United campaign has
>> continued working towards getting a fifth season of Enterprise and,
>> according to their reports, some headway has been made. Other people,
>most
>> notably some members of the internet fan press, have questioned Trek
>United's
>> motives and business practices, even going so far as accusing the campaign
>and
>> its organizers of misrepresenting information they've received from
>Paramount
>> and using that information to solicit more donations from fans.
>
>> Obviously, these are serious allegations. Tim Brazeal, the organizer of
>> the Save Enterprise and Trek United campaigns, has been quick to
>> answer these allegations with offers to the press to view their financial
>> records in an attempt to put those concerns to rest. These records have
>> been given to the Trek Report and while there is still a fair amount of
>> research to be done, it seems that the financial information is in order.
>
>The opening paragraph mentions two kinds of allegations: (a) information
>manipulation/misrepresentation, and (b) financial improprieties.
>
>The "information manipulation" allegations aren't addressed in the article
>at all. Not surprising, since no one - not you, not TU - has given a good
>explanation as to why that 3/15 Paramount letter was kept under wraps,
>*especially* since TU has not been shy at all about mentioning "informal" or
>"backchannel" contacts with UPN/Paramount folks.
>
>As of now, the only fair conclusion is that TU has manipulated information -
>they've broadcasted unsubstantiated information that boosts their position,
>but have kept hidden information that does not. That's just wrong, and
>unless TU can come up with a good reason for that, they should admit it.
>
>The "financial impropriety" allegations are addressed, and they give TU a
>clean evaluation, but this seems strange given that they also say that there
>is still a "fair amount of research" to be done. So in other words, we're
>not sure yet.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

And highly likely nothing is to be found.
This article debunks a great deal of accusations already.


They have already said posting the old letter was probably a mistake.
We are dealing with humans here. Nobody can please everyone 100% of the time.
It really doesnt bother me at all. But I was reading all the chats and message
board stuff so I already knew the situation at the time.

You have to understand that they cant show all thier cards. Doing so would
undermine the goal. If people inside paramount want it to be quiet and you
promise them you will do so, What are you supposed to do? TU could be in
between a huge internal political struggle at paramount.

Its politics, its war, its the way of the world. Nothing can change that. You
win or lose. You play to win. You cant change the rules to your liking.
I do not feel betrayed or manipulated in any capacity and I have followed
things very closely. Perhaps that is why.

If it results in Season Five.... then ahead full, helmsman!


www.trekunited.com
Re: FilmForce Article on TrekUnited >> Accusations UNFOUNDED! [message #1420 ] Sa, 16 April 2005 00:00
none  
In article <150420051752276503%sky.diver [at] moonbase.alpha>,
sky.diver [at] moonbase.alpha says...
>
>In article <266dnRbDJNrYgf3fRVn-sg [at] giganews.com>, Mutts <none [at] none.com>
>wrote:
>
>> http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/604/604625p1.html
>>
>>
>> Trek Report: Fandom Ethics
>> Questions surround the campaign to save Enterprise.
>
>Oh, yeah, this is a *really* trustworthy reporter. IGN? Who? And who is
>this KJB? Turns out he won't give his full name on the site. When you
>click on the "About Us" link on the site, his "Random Facts" about
>himself say: "I have 14 toes. I can whistle Beethoven through my ear. I
>once dated Anna Nicole Smith. My left eye is blue and my right eye is
>brown. In high school, I was known as "Weeping Willow." I think Chinese
>food contains mind-control agents. I have a pet squirrel named Reginald
>Skippington." Wow, this guy is a pillar of journalistic integrity. The
>New York Times must be beating down his door with cash in hand.



Would any news source be good enough for you Mr Bishop?

If you could give a list of news sources that you would accept. Ill make sure
to watch them for news you will believe.
Re: FilmForce Article on TrekUnited >> Accusations UNFOUNDED! [message #1422 ] Sa, 16 April 2005 00:15
David B  
Mutts wrote:

> In article <150420051752276503%sky.diver [at] moonbase.alpha>,
> sky.diver [at] moonbase.alpha says...
> >
> >In article <266dnRbDJNrYgf3fRVn-sg [at] giganews.com>, Mutts <none [at] none.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/604/604625p1.html
> >>
> >>
> >> Trek Report: Fandom Ethics
> >> Questions surround the campaign to save Enterprise.
> >
> >Oh, yeah, this is a *really* trustworthy reporter. IGN? Who? And who is
> >this KJB? Turns out he won't give his full name on the site. When you
> >click on the "About Us" link on the site, his "Random Facts" about
> >himself say: "I have 14 toes. I can whistle Beethoven through my ear. I
> >once dated Anna Nicole Smith. My left eye is blue and my right eye is
> >brown. In high school, I was known as "Weeping Willow." I think Chinese
> >food contains mind-control agents. I have a pet squirrel named Reginald
> >Skippington." Wow, this guy is a pillar of journalistic integrity. The
> >New York Times must be beating down his door with cash in hand.
>
> Would any news source be good enough for you Mr Bishop?

How about the New York Times or the Los Angeles Times. I've got my
problems with
those two papers but they're a hell of a lot better than some internet
site
featuring someone like that writing for it.
Re: FilmForce Article on TrekUnited >> Accusations UNFOUNDED! [message #1423 ] Sa, 16 April 2005 00:16
Notifier Deamon  
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
Re: FilmForce Article on TrekUnited >> Accusations UNFOUNDED! [message #1424 ] Sa, 16 April 2005 00:19
Count 1  
"Keeper of the Purple Twilight" <no [at] spam.invalid> wrote in message
news:150420051716060366%no [at] spam.invalid...
> In article <150420051752276503%sky.diver [at] moonbase.alpha>, Straker
> <sky.diver [at] moonbase.alpha> wrote:
>
> > I have a pet squirrel named Reginald Skippington
>
> OMG, that is a classic! I gotta trademark that. :)

That one is good....especially since everyone knows chinese food contains
mind control agents.
Re: FilmForce Article on TrekUnited >> Accusations UNFOUNDED! [message #1425 ] Sa, 16 April 2005 00:22
Notifier Deamon  
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
Re: ??? [message #1430 ] Sa, 16 April 2005 01:56
Captain 20  
>
> And highly likely nothing is to be found.
> This article debunks a great deal of accusations already.

Yes, it would surprise me if any financial improprieties are found.
Everything i've read indicates TU is financially legitimate and that the
donations are safe. My point was more about the journalistic standards of
the article. The article purports to be "objective", but by concluding that
TU is financially clean even though the research hasn't been completed, they
come across as boosters.

They should have waited to complete the investigation before publishing a
conclusion.

> They have already said posting the old letter was probably a mistake.

Did you mean to say "not posting"?

> We are dealing with humans here. Nobody can please everyone 100% of the
time.
> It really doesnt bother me at all. But I was reading all the chats and
message
> board stuff so I already knew the situation at the time.

IMO, the issue isn't a grey-area one. They should have posted the 3/15
letter. That should have been obvious.


> You have to understand that they cant show all thier cards. Doing so would
> undermine the goal. If people inside paramount want it to be quiet and you
> promise them you will do so, What are you supposed to do? TU could be in
> between a huge internal political struggle at paramount.

Sure. I understand not naming-names about the backchannel contacts. Those
contacts would end if they became publicized. As readers, we're free to
believe or disbelieve whether those contacts are actually taking place or
not.So i haven't criticized TU for that.
Re: ??? [message #1434 ] Sa, 16 April 2005 02:37
Mutts  
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:56:07 -0500, "Captain 20" <c20 [at] setyrtfj.77com>
wrote:

>> They have already said posting the old letter was probably a mistake.
>
>Did you mean to say "not posting"?
>


Yeah, I cheat at work and jump online for a fix and get in a hurry
sometimes. Im sure they would have posted it with hindsight now.


Fund the Future....
www.trekunited.com


Watch the trailer
http://www.trekunited.com/news.php?id=15
Re: FilmForce Article on TrekUnited >> Accusations UNFOUNDED! [message #1436 ] Sa, 16 April 2005 04:03
Benjamin Pavsner  
1. I'm sorry folks, but whistling Beethoven through you ear not only
wouldn't get you a reporting job, but dating Anna Nicole Smith might even
get you fired at some of the more..ahem...respecable papers.

2. You know, for all the stories I've heard about this group and that group
nagging UPN/Paramount to revive the dead horse that is Enterprise, I haven't
heard anybody address the subject of perhaps making a worthwhile product
(that's the show) to save in the first place. Granted, even Arrested
Developement(an infinately superior show to Enterprise) is on the bubble,
but the car from "My Mother the Car" isn't in the Smithsonian either.ie
Bunker's chair IS. People are more apt to run towards quality than not.
"Straker" <sky.diver [at] moonbase.alpha> wrote in message
news:150420051752276503%sky.diver [at] moonbase.alpha...
> In article <266dnRbDJNrYgf3fRVn-sg [at] giganews.com>, Mutts <none [at] none.com>
> wrote:
>
> > http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/604/604625p1.html
> >
> >
> > Trek Report: Fandom Ethics
> > Questions surround the campaign to save Enterprise.
>
> Oh, yeah, this is a *really* trustworthy reporter. IGN? Who? And who is
> this KJB? Turns out he won't give his full name on the site. When you
> click on the "About Us" link on the site, his "Random Facts" about
> himself say: "I have 14 toes. I can whistle Beethoven through my ear. I
> once dated Anna Nicole Smith. My left eye is blue and my right eye is
> brown. In high school, I was known as "Weeping Willow." I think Chinese
> food contains mind-control agents. I have a pet squirrel named Reginald
> Skippington." Wow, this guy is a pillar of journalistic integrity. The
> New York Times must be beating down his door with cash in hand.
Re: FilmForce Article on TrekUnited >> Accusations UNFOUNDED! [message #1437 ] Sa, 16 April 2005 05:28
Karen  
in article Yl_7e.81334$wo1.78905 [at] bignews6.bellsouth.net, Benjamin Pavsner at
pavsnerp [at] bellsouth.net wrote on 4/15/05 9:03 PM:

> 1. I'm sorry folks, but whistling Beethoven through you ear not only
> wouldn't get you a reporting job, but dating Anna Nicole Smith might even
> get you fired at some of the more..ahem...respecable papers.
>
> 2. You know, for all the stories I've heard about this group and that group
> nagging UPN/Paramount to revive the dead horse that is Enterprise, I haven't
> heard anybody address the subject of perhaps making a worthwhile product
> (that's the show) to save in the first place. Granted, even Arrested
> Developement(an infinately superior show to Enterprise) is on the bubble,
> but the car from "My Mother the Car" isn't in the Smithsonian either.ie
> Bunker's chair IS. People are more apt to run towards quality than not.
> "Straker" <sky.diver [at] moonbase.alpha> wrote in message

Errr...the point is it has to be ON to improve in quality, as it has done
this season.
Re: FilmForce Article on TrekUnited >> Accusations UNFOUNDED! [message #1455 ] Sa, 16 April 2005 18:02
Benjamin Pavsner  
Agreed that Enterprise is BETTER this year, which is relative, since the
first three seasons (and some of this season, I hate to say) were nothing
that would get into the Broadcasting Hall of fame. As I've said elsewhere,
had this season been season one or two, we'd wouldn't be talking about the
show's demise. I think the Soong trilogy was some of the best Trek since
about season 6 of DS9. But unfortunately, this season was a day late and a
dollar short.
"Karen" <kchuplis [at] alltel.net> wrote in message
news:BE85F08D.6CCC2%kchuplis [at] alltel.net...
> in article Yl_7e.81334$wo1.78905 [at] bignews6.bellsouth.net, Benjamin Pavsner
at
> pavsnerp [at] bellsouth.net wrote on 4/15/05 9:03 PM:
>
> > 1. I'm sorry folks, but whistling Beethoven through you ear not only
> > wouldn't get you a reporting job, but dating Anna Nicole Smith might
even
> > get you fired at some of the more..ahem...respecable papers.
> >
> > 2. You know, for all the stories I've heard about this group and that
group
> > nagging UPN/Paramount to revive the dead horse that is Enterprise, I
haven't
> > heard anybody address the subject of perhaps making a worthwhile product
> > (that's the show) to save in the first place. Granted, even Arrested
> > Developement(an infinately superior show to Enterprise) is on the
bubble,
> > but the car from "My Mother the Car" isn't in the Smithsonian either.ie
> > Bunker's chair IS. People are more apt to run towards quality than not.
> > "Straker" <sky.diver [at] moonbase.alpha> wrote in message
>
> Errr...the point is it has to be ON to improve in quality, as it has done
> this season.
>
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