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Fantasy » alt.fan.tolkien » Re: COTW 7 today
| Re: COTW 7 today [message #196946] |
So, 08 Januar 2006 10:04 |
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Chris Kern <chriskern99 [at] gmail.com> wrote (27th December):
> I'm a little late because of holiday stuff, but I'm going to really
> try to post the Darkening of Valinor COTW thread today.
I can't find any such post. Will it be ready soon?
The schedule page shows that the next chapter is due this coming week
(the week starting 9th January).
http://parasha.maoltuile.org/
What do people think we should do here? Was that week-long break enough
for people to catch up, do people need more time, or shall we carry on
at the same rate and let these threads slowly gestate over a period of
months? :-)
Christopher
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| Re: COTW 7 today [message #196957 ] |
So, 08 Januar 2006 16:35 |
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In message <news:CA4wf.22366$iz3.14270 [at] text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
"Christopher Kreuzer" <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> enriched us with:
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> Chris Kern <chriskern99 [at] gmail.com> wrote (27th December):
>>
>> I'm a little late because of holiday stuff, but I'm going to
>> really try to post the Darkening of Valinor COTW thread today.
>
> I can't find any such post. Will it be ready soon?
>
> The schedule page shows that the next chapter is due this coming
> week (the week starting 9th January).
>
> http://parasha.maoltuile.org/
>
> What do people think we should do here? Was that week-long break
> enough for people to catch up, do people need more time, or shall
> we carry on at the same rate and let these threads slowly gestate
> over a period of months? :-)
Well . . . I am working on my response to the thread of chapter 5 'Of
Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië', which will put me only two
chapters behind :-/
I do think we should keep things in sequence, and I don't think that
it would be good to post two chapters the same week (I'm struggling
enough to catch up as it is <G>), so I'd recommend that we try to get
chapter 8, 'Of the Darkening of Valinor' ready for the upcoming week,
and then push the schedule (including breaks) by that week.
It is, IMO, preferable to keep the number of active CotW threads down
just a bit, as it is difficult for many of us to find the time to be
active in more than a few threads. Therefore I prefer that we give
the threads the time needed for the discussion, even if we have to
push the schedule, inserting more breaks than we had originally
planned (I'm not advocating doing this automatically, but rather that
we keep an open mind about inserting breaks -- we're not on any other
schedule than our own, and the only obligation we owe ourselves is to
the quality of our discussions -- IMO).
--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>
My adversary's argument
is not alone malevolent
but ignorant to boot.
He hasn't even got the sense
to state his so-called evidence
in terms I can refute.
- Piet Hein, /The Untenable Argument/
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| Re: COTW 7 today [message #196958 ] |
So, 08 Januar 2006 16:43 |
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Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:04:34 GMT from Christopher Kreuzer
<spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk>:
> What do people think we should do here? Was that week-long break enough
> for people to catch up, do people need more time, or shall we carry on
> at the same rate and let these threads slowly gestate over a period of
> months? :-)
I for one find it pretty hard to cope with several of these running
at once. I don't say we should wait till all discussion on chapter N
has died down before discussing chapter N+1, but I'd like to see at
least a week interval between the start of discussion on successive
chapters.
Besides, often the discussion on chapter N can throw new light on
chapter N+1. We mis hat by having new discussions on both too closely
together.
So my vote, for what it's worth, is for subsequent chapters to be
delayed when one chapter is delayed. It's not like we're on a
deadline here.
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| Re: COTW 7 today [message #196964 ] |
So, 08 Januar 2006 18:23 |
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Troels Forchhammer wrote:
> In message <news:CA4wf.22366$iz3.14270 [at] text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
> "Christopher Kreuzer" <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> enriched us with:
>>
>> What do people think we should do here? Was that week-long break
>> enough for people to catch up, do people need more time, or shall
>> we carry on at the same rate and let these threads slowly gestate
>> over a period of months? :-)
>
> Well . . . I am working on my response to the thread of chapter 5 'Of
> Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië', which will put me only two
> chapters behind :-/
>
> I do think we should keep things in sequence, and I don't think that
> it would be good to post two chapters the same week (I'm struggling
> enough to catch up as it is <G>), so I'd recommend that we try to get
> chapter 8, 'Of the Darkening of Valinor' ready for the upcoming week,
> and then push the schedule (including breaks) by that week.
>
> It is, IMO, preferable to keep the number of active CotW threads down
> just a bit, as it is difficult for many of us to find the time to be
> active in more than a few threads.
Not that I'm active in the COTW threads, but it seems to me that as long as
we have as much activity as we do (there's still new posts that seem to be
on topic back almost to the beginning of the Silmarillion COTW), it
wouldn't hurt to push the schedule back by a few weeks - perhaps by
putting an extra week's break midway between every currently scheduled one.
--
derek
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| Re: COTW 7 today [message #196975 ] |
So, 08 Januar 2006 20:30 |
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Derek Broughton <news [at] pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> Troels Forchhammer wrote:
>
>> In message <news:CA4wf.22366$iz3.14270 [at] text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
>> "Christopher Kreuzer" <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> enriched us with:
>>>
>>> What do people think we should do here? Was that week-long break
>>> enough for people to catch up, do people need more time, or shall
>>> we carry on at the same rate and let these threads slowly gestate
>>> over a period of months? :-)
>>
>> Well . . . I am working on my response to the thread of chapter 5 'Of
>> Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië', which will put me only two
>> chapters behind :-/
Hey! You're overtaking me!! :-)
>> I do think we should keep things in sequence, and I don't think that
>> it would be good to post two chapters the same week (I'm struggling
>> enough to catch up as it is <G>), so I'd recommend that we try to get
>> chapter 8, 'Of the Darkening of Valinor' ready for the upcoming week,
>> and then push the schedule (including breaks) by that week.
>>
>> It is, IMO, preferable to keep the number of active CotW threads down
>> just a bit, as it is difficult for many of us to find the time to be
>> active in more than a few threads.
>
> Not that I'm active in the COTW threads, but it seems to me that as
> long as we have as much activity as we do (there's still new posts
> that seem to be on topic back almost to the beginning of the
> Silmarillion COTW), it wouldn't hurt to push the schedule back by a
> few weeks - perhaps by putting an extra week's break midway between
> every currently scheduled one.
Thanks to Derek, Stan and Troels for their responses. At the moment a
100% consensus is emerging to delay the schedule for the next few weeks.
I'm personally thinking the whole schedule should be adjusted to a
slower rate altogether. We (or more particularly I) should have learned
from what happened with some of the LotR CotW threads.
Anyway, I'm in touch with both Chris Kern and Eric Root (the people
scheduled to introduce the next two chapters), and will ask them to
delay their introductory posts for those chapters.
Speaking of which, I've heard back from Chris Kern, who says he is sorry
but he won't be able to do the "Darkening of Valinor" chapter for this
week, and he is happy for someone else to do it. Which brings up the
question: when do we want the next chapter thread ("Of the Darkening of
Valinor") to appear? If we want it this week, then someone else can do
it. If we don't need it for a few weeks, then I'll see if Chris Kern can
still do it (or maybe he will post his response here).
I'll also write to everyone who volunteered months ahead and tell them
about the change of schedule, though we don't quite know what the exact
change will be. Remember that drastic changes in the schedule might lead
to some people being unable to do chapters they had volunteered for.
1) How long a delay do we need now?
2) Shall we change it from a weekly schedule to fortnightly?
Christopher
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| Re: COTW 7 today [message #197008 ] |
Mo, 09 Januar 2006 13:45 |
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In message <news:GLdwf.22733$iz3.10014 [at] text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
"Christopher Kreuzer" <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> enriched us with:
>
> Derek Broughton <news [at] pointerstop.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Troels Forchhammer wrote:
>>>
<snip>
>>> Well . . . I am working on my response to the thread of chapter
>>> 5 'Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië', which will put me
>>> only two chapters behind :-/
>
> Hey! You're overtaking me!! :-)
I'm trying to stay focused ;-)
<big snip>
> Thanks to Derek, Stan and Troels for their responses. At the
> moment a 100% consensus is emerging to delay the schedule for the
> next few weeks. I'm personally thinking the whole schedule should
> be adjusted to a slower rate altogether. We (or more particularly
> I) should have learned from what happened with some of the LotR
> CotW threads.
<more snipping>
First of all, I agree entirely with Stan's assertion that 'It's not
like we're on a deadline here.' Our interests are to ensure a good
debate all around, but also to ensure that it doesn't just peter out.
> 1) How long a delay do we need now?
At the moment it doesn't seem to be a problem -- there has been
posting to four (not including this thread) of the CotW threads over
the weekend, so we're not in danger of losing momentum just now, but
on the other hand, I think we should aim at getting the next chapter
posted no later than 25 January at the very latest (I am, of course,
hoping that it'll generate some renewed discussion in some of the
last threads as more and more of us catch up to them).
> 2) Shall we change it from a weekly schedule to fortnightly?
I'd say either that or on a two out of three weeks schedule. As long
as we still keep the name -- no 'CotF'-threads, please ;-)
I guess that part of the problem is for many of us the problem is
that other obligations in periods will prevent us from keeping
abreast of the CotW threads for perhaps a month or two, and then
we'll get time to do some catching up. The schedule should, ideally,
allow for catching up in times when one has the time (as I,
obviously, have at the moment <G>), so one shouldn't get too many
chapters behind while being busy. For my own situation a break every
third week would probably suffice, but others might find it easier to
contribute at a bi-weekly schedule.
--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>
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| Silmarillion discussions (was Re: COTW 7 today) [message #207389 ] |
Di, 17 Januar 2006 21:31 |
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[Sorry for taking so long to deal with this]
Troels Forchhammer <Troels [at] ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote:
> "Christopher Kreuzer" <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> enriched us with:
<snip>
> First of all, I agree entirely with Stan's assertion that 'It's not
> like we're on a deadline here.' Our interests are to ensure a good
> debate all around, but also to ensure that it doesn't just peter out.
Hmm. But how do you tell the difference between "petering out" and
"people being too busy/unable to take part in Silmarillion discussions
right now"? It is rather characteristic of discussions like these that
they go in stops and starts.
>> 1) How long a delay do we need now?
>
> At the moment it doesn't seem to be a problem -- there has been
> posting to four (not including this thread) of the CotW threads over
> the weekend, so we're not in danger of losing momentum just now, but
> on the other hand, I think we should aim at getting the next chapter
> posted no later than 25 January at the very latest (I am, of course,
> hoping that it'll generate some renewed discussion in some of the
> last threads as more and more of us catch up to them).
Right! 25th January is next week!
The last I heard was that Chris Kern was unable to do the upcoming
chapter: "Of the Darkening of Valinor". Can anyone please step in and
volunteer to post a summary and discussion questions for this chapter?
It would need to be posted sometime after the weekend, preferably on
Monday 23rd January.
[I'll put this a separate post as well]
I have contacted the next three people on the list, so they are aware of
what is happening. I will try and contact everyone else as well. In
passing, can those who have volunteered for a chapter please remember to
check the schedule BEFORE they post the introduction to that chapter, as
the dates may change... (like they are doing now!)
The schedule is at: http://parasha.maoltuile.org/
It is currently rather out-of-date, though it may have been updated by
the time you read this.
>> 2) Shall we change it from a weekly schedule to fortnightly?
>
> I'd say either that or on a two out of three weeks schedule. As long
> as we still keep the name -- no 'CotF'-threads, please ;-)
>
> I guess that part of the problem is for many of us the problem is
> that other obligations in periods will prevent us from keeping
> abreast of the CotW threads for perhaps a month or two, and then
> we'll get time to do some catching up. The schedule should, ideally,
> allow for catching up in times when one has the time (as I,
> obviously, have at the moment <G>), so one shouldn't get too many
> chapters behind while being busy. For my own situation a break every
> third week would probably suffice, but others might find it easier to
> contribute at a bi-weekly schedule.
I'll call that fortnightly (*), and it sounds good to me. Unless anyone
objects, I'll make that change. It'll stretch out the Silmarillion
discussion until the end of the year!
(*) The definitions of bi-weekly seem very confused. Some sources say it
means twice a week (compare biannual [twice a year] and semiweekly
[another term meaning twice a week]). Some sources say it means every
two weeks (compare biennial - every two years). Some sources even day it
can mean both!
http://tinyurl.com/9ynll [Google define search]
Christopher
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