| Question from a n00b about "Luke, i am your father" [message #190485] |
Mo, 26 Dezember 2005 02:17 |
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What are the rumors with "Luke, i am your father" being
"Luke, Obi-Wan killed your father" ?
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| Re: Question from a n00b about "Luke, i am your father" [message #190486 ] |
Mo, 26 Dezember 2005 02:42 |
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In article <43af44a4$0$12511$626a14ce [at] news.free.fr>, Andrei MARCU
<marcu.andrei [at] free.fr> wrote:
> What are the rumors with "Luke, i am your father" being
> "Luke, Obi-Wan killed your father" ?
Where does it say "Obi-Wan killed your father"??? ?:-\
Presumably you mean Obi-Wan's little speech about "Darth Vader killed
your father".
In Obi-Wan's opinion Vader DID kill Anakin Skywalker - Vader took over
and Obi-Wan believed there was no trace of Anakin Skywalker left. As
Obi-Wan says, "from a certain point of view" he was telling the truth.
Also, since Obi-Wan was watching over Luke, there's little point in
telling him that the second-nastiest being in the galaxy is really his
father.
It's called a white lie and children are told such things about their
parents all the time to try and protect them.
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| Re: Question from a n00b about "Luke, i am your father" [message #190487 ] |
Mo, 26 Dezember 2005 03:30 |
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"Andrei MARCU" <marcu.andrei [at] free.fr> wrote in message
news:43af44a4$0$12511$626a14ce [at] news.free.fr...
> What are the rumors with "Luke, i am your father" being
> "Luke, Obi-Wan killed your father" ?
I heard that since they were trying to keep it a secret as long as possible,
they had Darth Vader say, "Luke, Obi-Wan killed your father" instead. His
words were going to be dubbed anyway, so it didn't matter what he said. And
it was something shocking for Luke to react to. Mark Hamill gave this info
in an interview I saw a few weeks ago.
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| Re: Question from a n00b about "Luke, i am your father" [message #190497 ] |
Mo, 26 Dezember 2005 06:20 |
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In article <aBIrf.6560$L75.1102 [at] fe12.lga>, "Bill"
<willat0660 [at] dogmail.com> wrote:
> "Andrei MARCU" <marcu.andrei [at] free.fr> wrote in message
> news:43af44a4$0$12511$626a14ce [at] news.free.fr...
> > What are the rumors with "Luke, i am your father" being
> > "Luke, Obi-Wan killed your father" ?
>
> I heard that since they were trying to keep it a secret as long as possible,
> they had Darth Vader say, "Luke, Obi-Wan killed your father" instead. His
> words were going to be dubbed anyway, so it didn't matter what he said. And
> it was something shocking for Luke to react to. Mark Hamill gave this info
> in an interview I saw a few weeks ago.
Ahh ... THAT "Obi-Wan killed your father".
Yes, it was a way to keep the secret, but also originally Vader wasn't
Luke's father so they were probably playing on that idea as well to
help keep the secret.
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| Re: Question from a n00b about "Luke, i am your father" [message #190503 ] |
Mo, 26 Dezember 2005 17:43 |
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"Andrei MARCU" <marcu.andrei [at] free.fr> wrote in message
news:43af44a4$0$12511$626a14ce [at] news.free.fr...
> What are the rumors with "Luke, i am your father" being
Umm, that line was never said in the movie...
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| Re: Question from a n00b about "Luke, i am your father" [message #190505 ] |
Mo, 26 Dezember 2005 18:37 |
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"Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
news:261220051442366575%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> In article <43af44a4$0$12511$626a14ce [at] news.free.fr>, Andrei MARCU
> <marcu.andrei [at] free.fr> wrote:
>
>> What are the rumors with "Luke, i am your father" being
>> "Luke, Obi-Wan killed your father" ?
>
> Where does it say "Obi-Wan killed your father"??? ?:-\
>
> Presumably you mean Obi-Wan's little speech about "Darth Vader killed
> your father".
>
> In Obi-Wan's opinion Vader DID kill Anakin Skywalker - Vader took over
> and Obi-Wan believed there was no trace of Anakin Skywalker left. As
> Obi-Wan says, "from a certain point of view" he was telling the truth.
>
> Also, since Obi-Wan was watching over Luke, there's little point in
> telling him that the second-nastiest being in the galaxy is really his
> father.
>
> It's called a white lie and children are told such things about their
> parents all the time to try and protect them.
>
No. I believe he's talking about the "secret" that was given to the cast
during filming of TESB.
Mark Hamill knew the line was going to be "I am your father" but everyone
else (except Kershner & Lucas) was given a script which had "Obi-Wan killed
your father" in it for that scene, that way no one (but those three) knew
the "truth" until it unrolled on movie screens opening day and shocked the
hell out of everyone.
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| Re: Question from a n00b about "Luke, i am your father" [message #190508 ] |
Mo, 26 Dezember 2005 19:31 |
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"Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
news:261220051820556787%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> In article <aBIrf.6560$L75.1102 [at] fe12.lga>, "Bill"
> <willat0660 [at] dogmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Andrei MARCU" <marcu.andrei [at] free.fr> wrote in message
>> news:43af44a4$0$12511$626a14ce [at] news.free.fr...
>> > What are the rumors with "Luke, i am your father" being
>> > "Luke, Obi-Wan killed your father" ?
>>
>> I heard that since they were trying to keep it a secret as long as
>> possible,
>> they had Darth Vader say, "Luke, Obi-Wan killed your father" instead. His
>> words were going to be dubbed anyway, so it didn't matter what he said.
>> And
>> it was something shocking for Luke to react to. Mark Hamill gave this
>> info
>> in an interview I saw a few weeks ago.
>
> Ahh ... THAT "Obi-Wan killed your father".
>
> Yes, it was a way to keep the secret, but also originally Vader wasn't
> Luke's father so they were probably playing on that idea as well to
> help keep the secret.
By the time making ESB was realistic Vader being Luke's father had already
been desided, in fact David Prowse had stated such in an interview before
ESB.
It does seem it was done to keep it a secret but I in retrospect I like the
read line of Obi-Wan having killed his father better. Obi-Wan's spirit
would have had to explain that both stories were correct from "a certain
point of view."
DKM
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| Re: Question from a n00b about "Luke, i am your father" [message #190528 ] |
Mo, 26 Dezember 2005 23:31 |
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In article <eGWrf.38284$7h7.14604 [at] newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, "DKM"
<dkmfwtx [at] nospam.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> By the time making ESB was realistic Vader being Luke's father had already
> been desided, in fact David Prowse had stated such in an interview before
> ESB.
>
> It does seem it was done to keep it a secret but I in retrospect I like the
> read line of Obi-Wan having killed his father better. Obi-Wan's spirit
> would have had to explain that both stories were correct from "a certain
> point of view."
I wouldn't put too much stock in what David Prowse or Peter Mayhew
reportedly or actually say ... a lot of it turns out to be faked or
rubbish.
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| Re: Question from a n00b about "Luke, i am your father" [message #190531 ] |
Di, 27 Dezember 2005 00:13 |
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"RobMac" <rpmccartney [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1135618761_11175 [at] spool1-east.superfeed.net...
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> No. I believe he's talking about the "secret" that was given to the cast
> during filming of TESB.
>
> Mark Hamill knew the line was going to be "I am your father" but everyone
> else (except Kershner & Lucas) was given a script which had "Obi-Wan
> killed your father" in it for that scene, that way no one (but those
> three) knew the "truth" until it unrolled on movie screens opening day and
> shocked the hell out of everyone.
I guess JEJ knew too?
:-)
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/DT, Stockholm, Sweden
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| Re: Question from a n00b about "Luke, i am your father" [message #190536 ] |
Di, 27 Dezember 2005 02:20 |
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"Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
news:271220051131592766%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> In article <eGWrf.38284$7h7.14604 [at] newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, "DKM"
> <dkmfwtx [at] nospam.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> By the time making ESB was realistic Vader being Luke's father had
>> already
>> been desided, in fact David Prowse had stated such in an interview before
>> ESB.
>>
>> It does seem it was done to keep it a secret but I in retrospect I like
>> the
>> read line of Obi-Wan having killed his father better. Obi-Wan's spirit
>> would have had to explain that both stories were correct from "a certain
>> point of view."
>
> I wouldn't put too much stock in what David Prowse or Peter Mayhew
> reportedly or actually say ... a lot of it turns out to be faked or
> rubbish.
That may be true, but in this case in a published interview shortly after
they anounced they would be doing a second Star Wars, Prowse very correctly
outlines the basic plot twists including that Vader was Lukes father.
DKM
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| Re: Question from a n00b about "Luke, i am your father" [message #190564 ] |
Di, 27 Dezember 2005 17:48 |
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"DKM" <dkmfwtx [at] nospam.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:qF0sf.47591$6e1.809 [at] newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
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> "Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
> news:271220051131592766%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
>> In article <eGWrf.38284$7h7.14604 [at] newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, "DKM"
>> <dkmfwtx [at] nospam.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> By the time making ESB was realistic Vader being Luke's father had
>>> already
>>> been desided, in fact David Prowse had stated such in an interview
>>> before
>>> ESB.
>>>
>>> It does seem it was done to keep it a secret but I in retrospect I like
>>> the
>>> read line of Obi-Wan having killed his father better. Obi-Wan's spirit
>>> would have had to explain that both stories were correct from "a certain
>>> point of view."
>>
>> I wouldn't put too much stock in what David Prowse or Peter Mayhew
>> reportedly or actually say ... a lot of it turns out to be faked or
>> rubbish.
>
> That may be true, but in this case in a published interview shortly after
> they anounced they would be doing a second Star Wars, Prowse very
> correctly outlines the basic plot twists including that Vader was Lukes
> father.
>
> DKM
>
As seen here:
http://www.kohary.com/images/prowse.jpg
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| Re: Question from a n00b about "Luke, i am your father" [message #190572 ] |
Di, 27 Dezember 2005 21:46 |
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"Darth This" <spam_gson [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:yO_rf.2782$zc1.409 [at] amstwist00...
> "RobMac" <rpmccartney [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1135618761_11175 [at] spool1-east.superfeed.net...
>>
> ----- snip -----
>>
>> No. I believe he's talking about the "secret" that was given to the cast
>> during filming of TESB.
>>
>> Mark Hamill knew the line was going to be "I am your father" but everyone
>> else (except Kershner & Lucas) was given a script which had "Obi-Wan
>> killed your father" in it for that scene, that way no one (but those
>> three) knew the "truth" until it unrolled on movie screens opening day
>> and shocked the hell out of everyone.
>
> I guess JEJ knew too?
> :-)
oh...and JEJ....heh
my bad!
Could you imagine the recording session if he didn't know ahead of time?
"Luke. I am your - - what?! Really?! Is this a typo?!?! No. really, stop
joking, what's the line?"
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| Re: Question from a n00b about "Luke, i am your father" [message #190576 ] |
Mi, 28 Dezember 2005 00:43 |
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In article <1135716523_3 [at] spool1-east.superfeed.net>, "RobMac"
<rpmccartney [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> "Darth This" <spam_gson [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:yO_rf.2782$zc1.409 [at] amstwist00...
> > "RobMac" <rpmccartney [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1135618761_11175 [at] spool1-east.superfeed.net...
> >>
> > ----- snip -----
> >>
> >> No. I believe he's talking about the "secret" that was given to the cast
> >> during filming of TESB.
> >>
> >> Mark Hamill knew the line was going to be "I am your father" but everyone
> >> else (except Kershner & Lucas) was given a script which had "Obi-Wan
> >> killed your father" in it for that scene, that way no one (but those
> >> three) knew the "truth" until it unrolled on movie screens opening day
> >> and shocked the hell out of everyone.
> >
> > I guess JEJ knew too?
> > :-)
>
> oh...and JEJ....heh
> my bad!
> Could you imagine the recording session if he didn't know ahead of time?
>
> "Luke. I am your - - what?! Really?! Is this a typo?!?! No. really, stop
> joking, what's the line?"
The recording of that line could have waited until the very last
minute. :-)
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| Re: Question from a n00b about "Luke, i am your father" [message #190592 ] |
Mi, 28 Dezember 2005 04:13 |
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"Richmond" <rsbowen [at] telus.net> wrote in message
news:5fesf.12850$AP5.7242 [at] edtnps84...
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> "DKM" <dkmfwtx [at] nospam.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:qF0sf.47591$6e1.809 [at] newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>> That may be true, but in this case in a published interview shortly after
>> they anounced they would be doing a second Star Wars, Prowse very
>> correctly outlines the basic plot twists including that Vader was Lukes
>> father.
>>
>> DKM
>>
> As seen here:
>
> http://www.kohary.com/images/prowse.jpg
That might be the article I'm thinking off. When is it from?
You'll notice it also contradicts all the stories that Alec Guiness so hate
the movie he asked to be killed off.
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| Re: Question from a n00b about "Luke, i am your father" [message #190610 ] |
Mi, 28 Dezember 2005 06:38 |
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In article <lpnsf.38960$BZ5.10749 [at] newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, "DKM"
<dkmfwtx [at] nospam.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> You'll notice it also contradicts all the stories that Alec Guiness so hate
> the movie he asked to be killed off.
His later life "hate" of Star Wars isn't "stories". Alec Guiness in his
own biographyonly mentioned it only very briefly. Whether he asked to
be killed off is debateable though. :-)
Basically Alec Guiness didn't want to be remembered for his role in a
"silly science fiction movie". He instead wanted to be remembered for
his other movie and stage work.
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| Re: Question from a n00b about "Luke, i am your father" [message #190677 ] |
Fr, 30 Dezember 2005 04:05 |
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Andrei MARCU , your post to alt.fan.starwars is almost better than a
suggestion to SIGN CARL ENGLISH!
> What are the rumors with "Luke, i am your father" being
> "Luke, Obi-Wan killed your father" ?
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr r.
That is my second-biggest peeve about n00bs and Star Wars.
Nobody says that in ESB. Just like Obi Wan NEVER said "May the Force be
with you" to Luke.
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| Re: Question from a n00b about "Luke, i am your father" [message #190720 ] |
Sa, 31 Dezember 2005 20:31 |
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"Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
news:281220051838204495%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> In article <lpnsf.38960$BZ5.10749 [at] newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, "DKM"
> <dkmfwtx [at] nospam.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> You'll notice it also contradicts all the stories that Alec Guiness so
>> hate
>> the movie he asked to be killed off.
>
> His later life "hate" of Star Wars isn't "stories". Alec Guiness in his
> own biographyonly mentioned it only very briefly. Whether he asked to
> be killed off is debateable though. :-)
>
> Basically Alec Guiness didn't want to be remembered for his role in a
> "silly science fiction movie". He instead wanted to be remembered for
> his other movie and stage work.
I can understand that. I'm not sure he ever "hated" the movie as much as he
never understood why it was big and popular. To him it was a "silly science
fiction movie" that was good for what it was, but nothing great. Guiness
enjoyed doing all sorts of parts (anybody remember him in Murder by Death?)
and I don't think minded doing Star Wars, but would have rather been
remembered for some of his classics.
I guess we could start a net rummor that the reason he hated starwars was
because he had been killed off. ;p
DKM
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| Re: Question from a n00b about "Luke, i am your father" [message #190735 ] |
So, 01 Januar 2006 06:47 |
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>> Basically Alec Guiness didn't want to be remembered for his role in a
>> "silly science fiction movie". He instead wanted to be remembered for
>> his other movie and stage work.
>
> I guess we could start a net rummor that the reason he hated starwars was
> because he had been killed off. ;p
Gee and all this time, I thought he just hated being remembered for playing
a 60-year old Ewan McGregor, especially since McGregor actually got top
billing in two of his episodes and McGregor got to *win* his duel with
Vader.
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| Re: Question from a n00b about "Luke, i am your father" [message #190744 ] |
So, 01 Januar 2006 22:51 |
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The news had come out in the First World War: The bloody Red Baron was
flying wonce more. The Allied Command ignored all of its men, and
called on "SpammersDie" to do it again!
>>> Basically Alec Guiness didn't want to be remembered for his role in a
>>> "silly science fiction movie". He instead wanted to be remembered for
>>> his other movie and stage work.
>>
>> I guess we could start a net rummor that the reason he hated starwars was
>> because he had been killed off. ;p
>
>Gee and all this time, I thought he just hated being remembered for playing
>a 60-year old Ewan McGregor, especially since McGregor actually got top
>billing in two of his episodes and McGregor got to *win* his duel with
>Vader.
Are you implying that Sir Alec Guiness is a jealous "wannabe"?
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