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Best of the series, Episode III [message #190390] Fr, 23 Dezember 2005 21:07
fish  
You can skip episodes I & II and never watch it ever again.

Everything in Episode III explains the entire series.

Forget trying to explain the Midichlorians in Phantom Menace.

Emperor Palpatine explained it very well when he said, "He could influence
the Midichlorians to create life - he had SUCH a knowledge of the dark
side". Brilliant !!

Best performance, best villain and most interesting character: Emperor
Palpatine!

I clap like crazy everytime Palpatine zaps Windu out the window!!

Amazing, all along I thought the Jedi were the good guys, but Palpatine
really had Anakin fooled.

"They don't trust you, Anakin" - Emperor Palpatine
"If what you told me is true, you will have earned my trust" - Mace Windu

Yet, Mace said, "I don't trust him" in a scene just moments earlier.

Yet Mace was the reason Anakin turned to the dark side of the force!

Anakin was the only clear thinking Jedi when he said, "He must stand
trial" - then had no choice but to save his friend, Palpatine from the Jedi
madman, Mace Windu.

Mace violated the Jedi code and made all Jedi look bad.

"The Jedi betrayed me, don't you betray me" - Anakin Vader

Episode III is without a doubt the BEST in the series.

And if ANYONE suggests that episode I was better, then they better check Jar
Jar, little Anakin's pod race, Sebulba, Watto and the stupid Midichlorian
bullcrap for all it's worth.

=======Be careful of the Jedi, Anakin. Only through me will you achieve a
power GREATER than any Jedi.=======

The force is STRONG with YOU. A powerful SITH you will become.

--
______________
=====fish=====
Re: Best of the series, Episode III [message #190391 ] Fr, 23 Dezember 2005 21:13
Franklin Cross  
"fish" <i.am.such.a.fish [at] atlantic.ocean> wrote in message
news:tOYqf.78$wQ3.38 [at] trnddc05...
> You can skip episodes I & II and never watch it ever again.
>
> Everything in Episode III explains the entire series.
>
> Forget trying to explain the Midichlorians in Phantom Menace.
>

I agree that the movie does make the Jedi look bad, like they had it coming.
But i also think Maul was the greatest villain.
Re: Best of the series, Episode III [message #190392 ] Fr, 23 Dezember 2005 21:27
fish  
Franklin Cross sez...

>> You can skip episodes I & II
>> and never watch it ever again.
>>
>> Everything in Episode III
>> explains the entire series.
>>
>
> I agree that the movie does make the
> Jedi look bad, like they had it coming.

The first two episodes drag it out far too long.

Even George Lucas admitted that his original vision of Anakin was to be in
his teenage years, but he wanted to establish Anakin from a younger age.

Bad acting aside, not even Darth Maul could save Phantom Menace.

> But i also think Maul was the greatest villain.

If the part where Anakin takes his giant leap to the dark side by fighting
Dooku was with Maul instead, it would have been a more interesting victory.

Imagine Anakin slicing off Darth Maul's hands even though he had a double
bladed saber.

That would have been more interesting.

I agree that Maul was the most energetic villain in the entire series, we
have an agreement on that part.

What would make Episode III top itself would be to replace certain actors
(Hayden Christensen, Natalie Portman), do away with C3PO, Jar Jar's
appearance and do it Matrix style with Anakin learning the ways of the force
simply by plugging in, then yep! We would have a worthy successor to
champion George Lucas as a brilliant pioneer.

--
______________
=====fish=====
Re: Best of the series, Episode III [message #190394 ] Fr, 23 Dezember 2005 21:41
Anthony  
"fish" <i.am.such.a.fish [at] atlantic.ocean> wrote in message
news:p4Zqf.147$u27.58 [at] trnddc01...
> Franklin Cross sez...
>
>>> You can skip episodes I & II
>>> and never watch it ever again.
>>>
>>> Everything in Episode III
>>> explains the entire series.
>>>
>>
>> I agree that the movie does make the
>> Jedi look bad, like they had it coming.
>
> The first two episodes drag it out far too long.
>
> Even George Lucas admitted that his original vision of Anakin was to be in
> his teenage years, but he wanted to establish Anakin from a younger age.
>
> Bad acting aside, not even Darth Maul could save Phantom Menace.
>
>> But i also think Maul was the greatest villain.
>
> If the part where Anakin takes his giant leap to the dark side by fighting
> Dooku was with Maul instead, it would have been a more interesting
> victory.
>
> Imagine Anakin slicing off Darth Maul's hands even though he had a double
> bladed saber.
>
> That would have been more interesting.
>
> I agree that Maul was the most energetic villain in the entire series, we
> have an agreement on that part.
>
> What would make Episode III top itself would be to replace certain actors
> (Hayden Christensen, Natalie Portman), do away with C3PO, Jar Jar's
> appearance and do it Matrix style with Anakin learning the ways of the
> force
> simply by plugging in, then yep! We would have a worthy successor to
> champion George Lucas as a brilliant pioneer.
>
> --
> ______________
> =====fish=====
>
Besides his fighting what makes him so great? Maybe casue he is the ONE
character that didnt speak and look stupid as he spoke?
Re: Best of the series, Episode III [message #190403 ] Sa, 24 Dezember 2005 01:30
frenchy  
<<and do it Matrix style with Anakin learning the ways of the force
simply by plugging in>>>

Maybe he could do it just like Keanu Reeves, yeah right, that guy makes
Hayden look like Sir John Gielgud. Awesome, dude, I got the force!

<<do away with Jar Jar's
appearance >>

Snipping the "excuse me" would have saved the picture. And you're not
a director??
Re: Best of the series, Episode III [message #195421 ] Do, 05 Januar 2006 13:01
charlie12345  
come on chaps, the first one isn't as bad on a second viewing as it was
on a first, and liam neeson makes it for me. Maul is just as good as
the sith Anakin kills in the clone war cartoons. Anakin destroying a
sith lord gives the audience some idea of his power.
I'm going to start a thread in regards to this.
Re: Best of the series, Episode III [message #195448 ] Fr, 06 Januar 2006 03:51
Brett McConnie  
<charlie12345 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136460598.834734.206530 [at] g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> come on chaps, the first one isn't as bad on a second viewing as it was
> on a first, and liam neeson makes it for me. Maul is just as good as
> the sith Anakin kills in the clone war cartoons. Anakin destroying a
> sith lord gives the audience some idea of his power.

The only Sith Lord he destroyed was Darth Tyranus who was unarmed and on his
knees at the time. Anakin had potential but he never truly used his power.
--
"I tried so hard and got so far but, in the end, it doesn't even matter."

http://groups.msn.com/MyStarWarsCollection/shoebox.msnw
Re: Best of the series, Episode III [message #195462 ] Fr, 06 Januar 2006 09:32
Solon  
_Brett McConnie_ spoke thusly on 05/01/2006 9:51 PM:
> <charlie12345 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1136460598.834734.206530 [at] g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> come on chaps, the first one isn't as bad on a second viewing as it was
>> on a first, and liam neeson makes it for me. Maul is just as good as
>> the sith Anakin kills in the clone war cartoons. Anakin destroying a
>> sith lord gives the audience some idea of his power.
>
> The only Sith Lord he destroyed was Darth Tyranus who was unarmed and on his
> knees at the time. Anakin had potential but he never truly used his power.

I think Anakin deserves more credit than that, for Tyranus. It was
Anakin that 'unarmed' him. Are you implying that Palpatine was involved?
--
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Re: Best of the series, Episode III [message #195488 ] Sa, 07 Januar 2006 04:35
Steve Trellert  
Especially when you consider Tyranus whooped Obi Wan twice.

"Solon" <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:AfednSjImK_LtiPeRVn-tw [at] giganews.com...
> _Brett McConnie_ spoke thusly on 05/01/2006 9:51 PM:
>> <charlie12345 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1136460598.834734.206530 [at] g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> come on chaps, the first one isn't as bad on a second viewing as it was
>>> on a first, and liam neeson makes it for me. Maul is just as good as
>>> the sith Anakin kills in the clone war cartoons. Anakin destroying a
>>> sith lord gives the audience some idea of his power.
>>
>> The only Sith Lord he destroyed was Darth Tyranus who was unarmed and on
>> his
>> knees at the time. Anakin had potential but he never truly used his
>> power.
>
> I think Anakin deserves more credit than that, for Tyranus. It was Anakin
> that 'unarmed' him. Are you implying that Palpatine was involved?
> --
> usenetsolon [at] gmail.com
> Firefox 1.5 is out! <http://www.mozilla.com>
Re: Best of the series, Episode III [message #195493 ] Sa, 07 Januar 2006 05:59
Brett McConnie  
"Solon" <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:AfednSjImK_LtiPeRVn-tw [at] giganews.com...
> I think Anakin deserves more credit than that, for Tyranus. It was Anakin
> that 'unarmed' him. Are you implying that Palpatine was involved?

No. I'm not denying that Anakin was better than Dooku or that he won because
of that but he destroyed him after the victory had been won, a victory which
owed more to Anakin's use of hate, anger and vengeance than genuine ability.
Re: Best of the series, Episode III [message #195504 ] Sa, 07 Januar 2006 09:26
Solon  
_Brett McConnie_ spoke thusly on 06/01/2006 11:59 PM:
> "Solon" <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:AfednSjImK_LtiPeRVn-tw [at] giganews.com...
>> I think Anakin deserves more credit than that, for Tyranus. It was Anakin
>> that 'unarmed' him. Are you implying that Palpatine was involved?
>
> No. I'm not denying that Anakin was better than Dooku or that he won because
> of that but he destroyed him after the victory had been won, a victory which
> owed more to Anakin's use of hate, anger and vengeance than genuine ability.

Why do you think Anakin's victory had more to do with hate and anger,
rather than skill?
--
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Re: Best of the series, Episode III [message #195565 ] Mo, 09 Januar 2006 07:35
Brett McConnie  
"Solon" <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ppWdnZm55Pbr5iLenZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d [at] giganews.com...
> Why do you think Anakin's victory had more to do with hate and anger,
> rather than skill?

He was being quite solidly beaten until Dooku goaded him. You can see the
immediate change in Anakin's style and attitude. Another factor was Dooku's
overconfidence. He never considered the possibility of losing and dropped
his guard. Anakin's victory was akin to Obi-Wan's over Darth Maul in that
respect.
--
"I tried so hard and got so far but, in the end, it doesn't even matter."

http://groups.msn.com/MyStarWarsCollection/shoebox.msnw
Re: Best of the series, Episode III [message #195577 ] Mo, 09 Januar 2006 10:35
Solon  
_Brett McConnie_ spoke thusly on 09/01/2006 1:35 AM:
> "Solon" <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ppWdnZm55Pbr5iLenZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d [at] giganews.com...
>> Why do you think Anakin's victory had more to do with hate and anger,
>> rather than skill?
>
> He was being quite solidly beaten until Dooku goaded him. You can see the
> immediate change in Anakin's style and attitude. Another factor was Dooku's
> overconfidence. He never considered the possibility of losing and dropped
> his guard. Anakin's victory was akin to Obi-Wan's over Darth Maul in that
> respect.

So, would you say that, in the movies, no Jedi has killed a Sith Lord,
based on skill?
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Re: Best of the series, Episode III [message #195587 ] Mo, 09 Januar 2006 15:11
charlie12345  
Anakin is just out of his teens when he defeats dooku. obi wan at his
prime can't live with dooku, You are right to suggest dooku became
overconfident, but in their first meeting anakin gave dooku a real work
out. In their second meeting anakin keeps the saber fighting to close
quarters so dooku can't use his greater knowledge of the force.
No one is denying dooku was the better jedi/sith, but on sheer ability
anakin must be given credit.
Re: Best of the series, Episode III [message #195588 ] Mo, 09 Januar 2006 15:14
SpammersDie  
<charlie12345 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136815876.427130.219350 [at] g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Anakin is just out of his teens when he defeats dooku. obi wan at his
> prime can't live with dooku, You are right to suggest dooku became
> overconfident, but in their first meeting anakin gave dooku a real work
> out. In their second meeting anakin keeps the saber fighting to close
> quarters so dooku can't use his greater knowledge of the force.
> No one is denying dooku was the better jedi/sith, but on sheer ability
> anakin must be given credit.

Dooku was under orders not to kill Anakin - Anakin was under no such
handicap.
Re: Best of the series, Episode III [message #199588 ] Di, 10 Januar 2006 00:36
Solon  
_SpammersDie_ spoke thusly on 09/01/2006 9:14 AM:
> Dooku was under orders not to kill Anakin - Anakin was under no such
> handicap.

Do you have a source for that info?
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Re: Best of the series, Episode III [message #199589 ] Di, 10 Januar 2006 01:37
SpammersDie  
"Solon" <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZN2dnRtT8vQRbl_eRVn-jA [at] giganews.com...
> _SpammersDie_ spoke thusly on 09/01/2006 9:14 AM:
>> Dooku was under orders not to kill Anakin - Anakin was under no such
>> handicap.
>
> Do you have a source for that info?

The ROTS novelization spells out the arrangement between the Chancellor and
the Dook pretty clearly, but even without that, I think it can be inferred
easily. Anakin is the Chancellor's Chosen One and Dooku is awake enough to
know that Chanc arranged his own kidnapping in order to test Anakin, not
kill him.
Re: Best of the series, Episode III [message #199599 ] Di, 10 Januar 2006 08:23
Solon  
_SpammersDie_ spoke thusly on 09/01/2006 7:37 PM:
> "Solon" <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ZN2dnRtT8vQRbl_eRVn-jA [at] giganews.com...
>> _SpammersDie_ spoke thusly on 09/01/2006 9:14 AM:
>>> Dooku was under orders not to kill Anakin - Anakin was under no such
>>> handicap.
>> Do you have a source for that info?
>
> The ROTS novelization spells out the arrangement between the Chancellor and
> the Dook pretty clearly, but even without that, I think it can be inferred
> easily. Anakin is the Chancellor's Chosen One and Dooku is awake enough to
> know that Chanc arranged his own kidnapping in order to test Anakin, not
> kill him.

Dooku knowing about (heck being in on) the Palpatine kidnapping is
pretty much a given. They wanted a rematch of AOTC, but instead of Yoda
being around to save the Jedi, Sidious would be there, to make sure they
died.

I don't believe Dooku thought Anakin was "the Chancellor's Chosen One".
Sith are supposed to be power hungry. That's why there are always two.
They are always killing each other off. I just don't see Dooku being
that naive.
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Re: Best of the series, Episode III [message #199620 ] Mi, 11 Januar 2006 07:25
aaron  
> Steve Trellert wrote:
> Especially when you consider Tyranus whooped Obi Wan twice.

And you don't think that Palpatine had something to do with that?


> "Solon" <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:AfednSjImK_LtiPeRVn-tw [at] giganews.com...
>
>>_Brett McConnie_ spoke thusly on 05/01/2006 9:51 PM:
>>
>>><charlie12345 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1136460598.834734.206530 [at] g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>>come on chaps, the first one isn't as bad on a second viewing as it was
>>>>on a first, and liam neeson makes it for me. Maul is just as good as
>>>>the sith Anakin kills in the clone war cartoons. Anakin destroying a
>>>>sith lord gives the audience some idea of his power.
>>>
>>>The only Sith Lord he destroyed was Darth Tyranus who was unarmed and on
>>>his
>>>knees at the time. Anakin had potential but he never truly used his
>>>power.
>>
>>I think Anakin deserves more credit than that, for Tyranus. It was Anakin
>>that 'unarmed' him. Are you implying that Palpatine was involved?
>>--
>>usenetsolon [at] gmail.com
>>Firefox 1.5 is out! <http://www.mozilla.com>
>
>
>
Re: Best of the series, Episode III [message #199647 ] Do, 12 Januar 2006 12:20
Brett McConnie  
"Solon" <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:svydnf8noe7vs1_eRVn-oQ [at] giganews.com...
> So, would you say that, in the movies, no Jedi has killed a Sith Lord,
> based on skill?

That's right.
--
"I tried so hard and got so far but, in the end, it doesn't even matter."

http://groups.msn.com/MyStarWarsCollection/shoebox.msnw
Re: Best of the series, Episode III [message #202308 ] Fr, 13 Januar 2006 22:45
frenchy  
<<<Dooku was under orders not to kill Anakin - Anakin was under no such

> handicap.>>>

Heh, if you think about it, that look Dooku gave the chancellor right
before Anakin sliced off his noggin was like "heyyyy, what the.... I
didn't know THIS was part of the deal?!?"
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