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Last Horcrux [message #183776] Fr, 16 Dezember 2005 02:41
scott  
What do you think the last horcrux is?
Re: Last Horcrux [message #183786 ] Fr, 16 Dezember 2005 03:02
Brent Braten  
"Scott" <oewscott [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134697284.048068.115860 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> What do you think the last horcrux is?

I am thinking something along the lines of Ravenclaw's Quill (if one
exists). Of course, it could be the award Tom Riddle received for Special
Services to the School.
Re: Last Horcrux [message #183789 ] Fr, 16 Dezember 2005 03:09
Kish  
Scott wrote:
> What do you think the last horcrux is?

Nagini, or "Something of Gryffindor's or Ravenclaw's," depending on
which you mean by "last."

This actually raises an interesting point, one I'd noted but hadn't
thought about much. All the "Harry is a Horcrux/Wormtail's hand is a
Horcrux" posts hinge on the premise that "there is a mystery Horcrux,"
and yet, that /isn't in the book/. Rowling could astonish most people
simply by having the Horcruxes be as Harry enumerates them near the end
of HBP.
Re: Last Horcrux [message #183840 ] Fr, 16 Dezember 2005 16:26
zoltan47  
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:09:30 GMT, Kish <Kish_K [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

>Scott wrote:
>> What do you think the last horcrux is?
>
>Nagini, or "Something of Gryffindor's or Ravenclaw's," depending on
>which you mean by "last."
>
>This actually raises an interesting point, one I'd noted but hadn't
>thought about much. All the "Harry is a Horcrux/Wormtail's hand is a
>Horcrux" posts hinge on the premise that "there is a mystery Horcrux,"
>and yet, that /isn't in the book/. Rowling could astonish most people
>simply by having the Horcruxes be as Harry enumerates them near the end
>of HBP.

This was apparent to me as soon as the "Harry is a Horcrux" thing
started. People seem to have listed the Horcruxes chronological, which
means Nagini was last on the list, and by "known", which means the
Ravenclaw/Gryffindor artifact was last on the list, but somehow the
two separate lists became one list. They are not.

I've asked repeatedly how people went from the rather straightforward
list of remaining Horcruxes, which Harry enumerates almost as a
mantra, to submitting one with Harry, and I have never gotten an
answer. All I've gotten was a mass of conflicting rationalizations. I
say conflicting because there's no consensus as to which one, the
order, even the number of Horcruxes.

The last one (the number of Horcruxes) is the most problematic because
JKR has clearly stated that there are four.
http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview3.shtml

JKR: Harry now knows -- well he believe he knows -- what he’s
facing. Dumbledore's guesses are never very far wide of the mark. I
don't want to give too much away here, but Dumbledore says, ‘There are
four out there, you've got to get rid of four, and then you go for
Voldemort.’ So that's where he is, and that's what he's got to do.
Re: Last Horcrux [message #183841 ] Fr, 16 Dezember 2005 16:33
zoltan47  
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:26:44 -0500, zoltan47 <zoltan47 [at] hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:09:30 GMT, Kish <Kish_K [at] pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>>Scott wrote:
>>> What do you think the last horcrux is?
>>
>>Nagini, or "Something of Gryffindor's or Ravenclaw's," depending on
>>which you mean by "last."
>>
>>This actually raises an interesting point, one I'd noted but hadn't
>>thought about much. All the "Harry is a Horcrux/Wormtail's hand is a
>>Horcrux" posts hinge on the premise that "there is a mystery Horcrux,"
>>and yet, that /isn't in the book/. Rowling could astonish most people
>>simply by having the Horcruxes be as Harry enumerates them near the end
>>of HBP.
>
>This was apparent to me as soon as the "Harry is a Horcrux" thing
>started. People seem to have listed the Horcruxes chronological, which
>means Nagini was last on the list, and by "known", which means the
>Ravenclaw/Gryffindor artifact was last on the list, but somehow the
>two separate lists became one list. They are not.
>
>I've asked repeatedly how people went from the rather straightforward
>list of remaining Horcruxes, which Harry enumerates almost as a
>mantra, to submitting one with Harry, and I have never gotten an
>answer. All I've gotten was a mass of conflicting rationalizations. I
>say conflicting because there's no consensus as to which one, the
>order, even the number of Horcruxes.
>
>The last one (the number of Horcruxes) is the most problematic because
>JKR has clearly stated that there are four.
>http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview3.shtml
>
>JKR: Harry now knows -- well he believe he knows -- what he’s
>facing. Dumbledore's guesses are never very far wide of the mark. I
>don't want to give too much away here, but Dumbledore says, ‘There are
>four out there, you've got to get rid of four, and then you go for
>Voldemort.’ So that's where he is, and that's what he's got to do.

BTW, by "I have never gotten an answer," I don't mean your theory on
why Harry is a Horcrux. I mean exactly how did you get from accepting
that the list is the list of Horcruxes to thinking it was wrong. Harry
has so much work to do even if the list is absolutely correct that
cramming it all in one book will be a major task. Mucking around with
the list would just complicate things. Considering that a major part
of HBP was Harry gaining information on Voldemort and Horcruxes, this
would mean that much of Book 7 would be covering the same ground.
Re: Last Horcrux [message #183847 ] Fr, 16 Dezember 2005 17:26
Froggy  
"zoltan47" <zoltan47 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:u9n5q1lq66710drfmvf32nj27mcj2cjm6r [at] 4ax.com...
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:26:44 -0500, zoltan47 <zoltan47 [at] hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:09:30 GMT, Kish <Kish_K [at] pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Scott wrote:
>>>> What do you think the last horcrux is?
>>>
>>>Nagini, or "Something of Gryffindor's or Ravenclaw's," depending on
>>>which you mean by "last."
>>>
>>>This actually raises an interesting point, one I'd noted but hadn't
>>>thought about much. All the "Harry is a Horcrux/Wormtail's hand is a
>>>Horcrux" posts hinge on the premise that "there is a mystery Horcrux,"
>>>and yet, that /isn't in the book/. Rowling could astonish most people
>>>simply by having the Horcruxes be as Harry enumerates them near the end
>>>of HBP.
>>

I personally don't think Harry is the last Horcrux. The prophecy said
something to the effect of neither can live while the other is alive.. My
take on that is Harry wouldn't have a life as in family etc.... so if Harry
was the Horcrux he would HAVE to die in order for Voldemort to die. I
don't think that is the case. Voldemort just transfered power not part of
his soul. And BTW why didn't Voldemort die when the Avada Kedavra curse
backfired on him? Ok I'm done lol
--
~Froggy~
<--->
Frog parking only all others will be toad


>>This was apparent to me as soon as the "Harry is a Horcrux" thing
>>started. People seem to have listed the Horcruxes chronological, which
>>means Nagini was last on the list, and by "known", which means the
>>Ravenclaw/Gryffindor artifact was last on the list, but somehow the
>>two separate lists became one list. They are not.
>>
>>I've asked repeatedly how people went from the rather straightforward
>>list of remaining Horcruxes, which Harry enumerates almost as a
>>mantra, to submitting one with Harry, and I have never gotten an
>>answer. All I've gotten was a mass of conflicting rationalizations. I
>>say conflicting because there's no consensus as to which one, the
>>order, even the number of Horcruxes.
>>
>>The last one (the number of Horcruxes) is the most problematic because
>>JKR has clearly stated that there are four.
>>http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview3.shtml
>>
>>JKR: Harry now knows -- well he believe he knows -- what he's
>>facing. Dumbledore's guesses are never very far wide of the mark. I
>>don't want to give too much away here, but Dumbledore says, 'There are
>>four out there, you've got to get rid of four, and then you go for
>>Voldemort.' So that's where he is, and that's what he's got to do.
>
> BTW, by "I have never gotten an answer," I don't mean your theory on
> why Harry is a Horcrux. I mean exactly how did you get from accepting
> that the list is the list of Horcruxes to thinking it was wrong. Harry
> has so much work to do even if the list is absolutely correct that
> cramming it all in one book will be a major task. Mucking around with
> the list would just complicate things. Considering that a major part
> of HBP was Harry gaining information on Voldemort and Horcruxes, this
> would mean that much of Book 7 would be covering the same ground.
Re: Last Horcrux [message #183857 ] Fr, 16 Dezember 2005 18:30
zoltan47  
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:26:34 GMT, "Froggy" <shelbel007_2000 [at] yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>"zoltan47" <zoltan47 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:u9n5q1lq66710drfmvf32nj27mcj2cjm6r [at] 4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:26:44 -0500, zoltan47 <zoltan47 [at] hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:09:30 GMT, Kish <Kish_K [at] pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Scott wrote:
>>>>> What do you think the last horcrux is?
>>>>
>>>>Nagini, or "Something of Gryffindor's or Ravenclaw's," depending on
>>>>which you mean by "last."
>>>>
>>>>This actually raises an interesting point, one I'd noted but hadn't
>>>>thought about much. All the "Harry is a Horcrux/Wormtail's hand is a
>>>>Horcrux" posts hinge on the premise that "there is a mystery Horcrux,"
>>>>and yet, that /isn't in the book/. Rowling could astonish most people
>>>>simply by having the Horcruxes be as Harry enumerates them near the end
>>>>of HBP.
>>>
>
>I personally don't think Harry is the last Horcrux. The prophecy said
>something to the effect of neither can live while the other is alive.. My
>take on that is Harry wouldn't have a life as in family etc.... so if Harry
>was the Horcrux he would HAVE to die in order for Voldemort to die. I
>don't think that is the case. Voldemort just transfered power not part of
>his soul. And BTW why didn't Voldemort die when the Avada Kedavra curse
>backfired on him? Ok I'm done lol

Why didn't Voldemort die when the Avada Kedavra curse backfired on
him? Because of the Horcruxes. As long as one exists, the body can be
destroyed, but the soul piece that was in the body survives. That's
why JKR stated that Harry has to "get rid of four, and then you go for
Voldemort."
Re: Last Horcrux [message #183859 ] Fr, 16 Dezember 2005 18:35
aaron  
Froggy wrote:
> "zoltan47" <zoltan47 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:u9n5q1lq66710drfmvf32nj27mcj2cjm6r [at] 4ax.com...
> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:26:44 -0500, zoltan47 <zoltan47 [at] hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:09:30 GMT, Kish <Kish_K [at] pacbell.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Scott wrote:
> >>>> What do you think the last horcrux is?
> >>>
> >>>Nagini, or "Something of Gryffindor's or Ravenclaw's," depending on
> >>>which you mean by "last."
> >>>
> >>>This actually raises an interesting point, one I'd noted but hadn't
> >>>thought about much. All the "Harry is a Horcrux/Wormtail's hand is a
> >>>Horcrux" posts hinge on the premise that "there is a mystery Horcrux,"
> >>>and yet, that /isn't in the book/. Rowling could astonish most people
> >>>simply by having the Horcruxes be as Harry enumerates them near the end
> >>>of HBP.
> >>
>
> I personally don't think Harry is the last Horcrux. The prophecy said
> something to the effect of neither can live while the other is alive.. My
> take on that is Harry wouldn't have a life as in family etc.... so if Harry
> was the Horcrux he would HAVE to die in order for Voldemort to die. I
> don't think that is the case. Voldemort just transfered power not part of
> his soul. And BTW why didn't Voldemort die when the Avada Kedavra curse
> backfired on him?

You're joking, right? He didn't die because he had horcruxes. They're
the subject of this topic. You've mentioned them. WTF?

Oh, and IMO, it will be Ravenclaw's *wand*, and IMO it was the wand on
the pillow at Ollivander's in PS/SS. I guess it could be Gryffindor's
wand, but I'm still rooting for the sorting hat to be a Horcrux!

> ~Froggy~

-Aaron
Re: Last Horcrux [message #183871 ] Fr, 16 Dezember 2005 19:32
Froggy  
"Aaron" <aaronsan [at] msn.com> wrote in message
news:1134754538.895551.233590 [at] g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Froggy wrote:
>> "zoltan47" <zoltan47 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:u9n5q1lq66710drfmvf32nj27mcj2cjm6r [at] 4ax.com...
>> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:26:44 -0500, zoltan47 <zoltan47 [at] hotmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:09:30 GMT, Kish <Kish_K [at] pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Scott wrote:
>> >>>> What do you think the last horcrux is?
>> >>>
>> >>>Nagini, or "Something of Gryffindor's or Ravenclaw's," depending on
>> >>>which you mean by "last."
>> >>>
>> >>>This actually raises an interesting point, one I'd noted but hadn't
>> >>>thought about much. All the "Harry is a Horcrux/Wormtail's hand is a
>> >>>Horcrux" posts hinge on the premise that "there is a mystery Horcrux,"
>> >>>and yet, that /isn't in the book/. Rowling could astonish most people
>> >>>simply by having the Horcruxes be as Harry enumerates them near the
>> >>>end
>> >>>of HBP.
>> >>
>>
>> I personally don't think Harry is the last Horcrux. The prophecy said
>> something to the effect of neither can live while the other is alive.. My
>> take on that is Harry wouldn't have a life as in family etc.... so if
>> Harry
>> was the Horcrux he would HAVE to die in order for Voldemort to die. I
>> don't think that is the case. Voldemort just transfered power not part
>> of
>> his soul. And BTW why didn't Voldemort die when the Avada Kedavra curse
>> backfired on him?
>
> You're joking, right? He didn't die because he had horcruxes. They're
> the subject of this topic. You've mentioned them. WTF?

lol I realized that after I posted...hoping noone else would catch it...lol

>
> Oh, and IMO, it will be Ravenclaw's *wand*, and IMO it was the wand on
> the pillow at Ollivander's in PS/SS. I guess it could be Gryffindor's
> wand, but I'm still rooting for the sorting hat to be a Horcrux!
>
>> ~Froggy~
>
> -Aaron
>
Re: Last Horcrux [message #183905 ] Sa, 17 Dezember 2005 00:22
scott  
Well, we know that Nagini is a horcrux.
Re: Last Horcrux [message #183919 ] Sa, 17 Dezember 2005 01:43
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Aaron wrote:

> Froggy wrote:

>> I personally don't think Harry is the last Horcrux. The prophecy said
>> neither can live while the other is alive so if Harry was the Horcrux
>> he would HAVE to die in order for Voldemort to die.

No, he wouldn't - Harry could create his own Horcrux, destroy Riddle's
other Horcruxes, and then destroy the one inside himself while killing
the bastard a nanosecond later. The new Horcrux then restores Harry.

I'm not saying Harry would do that, just pointing out the loophole.


> IMO, it will be Ravenclaw's *wand*, and IMO it was the wand on
> the pillow at Ollivander's in PS/SS.

Yes, I've thought that too, ever since Tamar suggested it.

(Except the wand is on a cushion, pillows are for beds).


> I guess it could be Gryffindor's wand, but I'm still rooting for the
> sorting hat to be a Horcrux!

I'm quite sure the Hat is a Horcrux, though not one of Riddle's.


Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen

--
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Re: Last Horcrux [message #183920 ] Sa, 17 Dezember 2005 01:44
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Zoltan 47 wrote:

> The number of Horcruxes is the most problematic because
> JKR has clearly stated that there are four.

> http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview3.shtml

> JKR: Harry now knows -- well he believe he knows -- what he's
> facing. Dumbledore's guesses are never very far wide of the mark. I
> don't want to give too much away here, but Dumbledore says, 'There are
> four out there, you've got to get rid of four, and then you go for
> Voldemort.' So that's where he is, and that's what he's got to do.

Don't fall for these interviews; she did ~not~ state there are four.


Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen

--
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Re: Last Horcrux [message #183921 ] Sa, 17 Dezember 2005 01:46
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Zoltan 47 wrote this about Voldemort's Horcruxes:

> JKR stated that "Harry has to get rid of four".

No she didn't.


Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen

--
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Re: Last Horcrux [message #183927 ] Sa, 17 Dezember 2005 02:19
zoltan47  
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:46:21 GMT, Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day
Slitheen <bffpds [at] raxacoricofallapatoria> wrote:

>Zoltan 47 wrote this about Voldemort's Horcruxes:
>
>> JKR stated that "Harry has to get rid of four".
>
>No she didn't.
>
>
>Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen

Didn't bother reading the other posts in the thread, bozo?

I posted this earlier in the thread.

http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview3.shtml

JKR: Harry now knows -- well he believe he knows -- what he’s
facing. Dumbledore's guesses are never very far wide of the mark. I
don't want to give too much away here, but Dumbledore says, ‘There are
four out there, you've got to get rid of four, and then you go for
Voldemort.’ So that's where he is, and that's what he's got to do.

Yes she did.
Re: Last Horcrux [message #183928 ] Sa, 17 Dezember 2005 02:21
zoltan47  
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:44:57 GMT, Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day
Slitheen <bffpds [at] raxacoricofallapatoria> wrote:

>Zoltan 47 wrote:
>
>> The number of Horcruxes is the most problematic because
>> JKR has clearly stated that there are four.
>
>> http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview3.shtml
>
>> JKR: Harry now knows -- well he believe he knows -- what he's
>> facing. Dumbledore's guesses are never very far wide of the mark. I
>> don't want to give too much away here, but Dumbledore says, 'There are
>> four out there, you've got to get rid of four, and then you go for
>> Voldemort.' So that's where he is, and that's what he's got to do.
>
>Don't fall for these interviews; she did ~not~ state there are four.
>
>
>Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen

Not another asshole! Your "cousin" is posting similar the same
bullshit on IMDB. It's in English, moron.
Re: Last Horcrux [message #183931 ] Sa, 17 Dezember 2005 02:26
zoltan47  
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:43:40 GMT, Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day
Slitheen <bffpds [at] raxacoricofallapatoria> wrote:

>Aaron wrote:
>
>> Froggy wrote:
>
>>> I personally don't think Harry is the last Horcrux. The prophecy said
>>> neither can live while the other is alive so if Harry was the Horcrux
>>> he would HAVE to die in order for Voldemort to die.
>
>No, he wouldn't - Harry could create his own Horcrux, destroy Riddle's
>other Horcruxes, and then destroy the one inside himself while killing
>the bastard a nanosecond later. The new Horcrux then restores Harry.
>
>I'm not saying Harry would do that, just pointing out the loophole.

Right, Harry would commit murder and damage his soul Are really this
stupid? Oh wait, I read your earliers messages, You ARE this stupid!

Loophole. schmoophole, any way you try to rationalize it, it's stupid.

Posting a stupid :"theory" only to say, "But I don't really believe
it" is the sign of a troll.

>
>
>> IMO, it will be Ravenclaw's *wand*, and IMO it was the wand on
>> the pillow at Ollivander's in PS/SS.
>
>Yes, I've thought that too, ever since Tamar suggested it.
>
>(Except the wand is on a cushion, pillows are for beds).
>
>
>> I guess it could be Gryffindor's wand, but I'm still rooting for the
>> sorting hat to be a Horcrux!
>
>I'm quite sure the Hat is a Horcrux, though not one of Riddle's.
>
>
>Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
Re: Last Horcrux [message #183936 ] Sa, 17 Dezember 2005 03:21
zoltan47  
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:21:00 -0500, zoltan47 <zoltan47 [at] hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:44:57 GMT, Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day
>Slitheen <bffpds [at] raxacoricofallapatoria> wrote:
>
>>Zoltan 47 wrote:
>>
>>> The number of Horcruxes is the most problematic because
>>> JKR has clearly stated that there are four.
>>
>>> http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview3.shtml
>>
>>> JKR: Harry now knows -- well he believe he knows -- what he's
>>> facing. Dumbledore's guesses are never very far wide of the mark. I
>>> don't want to give too much away here, but Dumbledore says, 'There are
>>> four out there, you've got to get rid of four, and then you go for
>>> Voldemort.' So that's where he is, and that's what he's got to do.
>>
>>Don't fall for these interviews; she did ~not~ state there are four.
>>
>>
>>Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
>
>Not another asshole! Your "cousin" is posting similar the same
>bullshit on IMDB. It's in English, moron.

In English, the last two sentences are

"Your "cousin" is posting the same bullshit on IMDB. It's in English,
moron. "
Re: Last Horcrux [message #183990 ] Sa, 17 Dezember 2005 12:20
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Zoltan 47 wrote:

> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:

>> Zoltan 47 wrote this about Voldemort's Horcruxes:

>>> JKR stated that "Harry has to get rid of four".

>> No she didn't.

> Didn't bother reading the other posts in the thread, bozo?

Who's the bozo? I ~replied~ to your posts earlier in the thread!


> I posted this earlier in the thread.

> http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview3.shtml

> JKR: Harry now knows -- well he believe he knows -- what he's
> facing. Dumbledore's guesses are never very far wide of the mark. I
> don't want to give too much away here, but Dumbledore says, 'There are
> four out there, you've got to get rid of four, and then you go for
> Voldemort.' So that's where he is, and that's what he's got to do.

> Yes she did.

No she didn't, you've missed the loophole (or maybe fallen into it).


Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen

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Re: Last Horcrux [message #183991 ] Sa, 17 Dezember 2005 12:22
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Zoltan 47 wrote:

> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:

>> Zoltan 47 wrote:

>>> The number of Horcruxes is the most problematic because
>>> JKR has clearly stated that there are four.

>>> http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview3.shtml

>>> JKR: Harry now knows -- well he believe he knows -- what he's
>>> facing. Dumbledore's guesses are never very far wide of the mark. I
>>> don't want to give too much away here, but Dumbledore says, 'There are
>>> four out there, you've got to get rid of four, and then you go for
>>> Voldemort.' So that's where he is, and that's what he's got to do.

>> Don't fall for these interviews; she did ~not~ state there are four.

> Not another asshole! Your "cousin" is posting similar the same
> bullshit on IMDB. It's in English, moron.

For now, I shall ignore your insults, and take pity on your ignorance.

Read what Rowling said very carefully, then think about it, if you can.


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--
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Re: Last Horcrux [message #183992 ] Sa, 17 Dezember 2005 12:23
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Zoltan 47 wrote:

> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:

>> Aaron wrote:

>>> Froggy wrote:

>>>> I personally don't think Harry is the last Horcrux. The prophecy said
>>>> neither can live while the other is alive so if Harry was the Horcrux
>>>> he would HAVE to die in order for Voldemort to die.

>> No, he wouldn't - Harry could create his own Horcrux, destroy Riddle's
>> other Horcruxes, and then destroy the one inside himself while killing
>> the bastard a nanosecond later. The new Horcrux then restores Harry.

>> I'm not saying Harry would do that, just pointing out the loophole.

> Right, Harry would commit murder and damage his soul Are really this
> stupid? Oh wait, I read your earliers messages, You ARE this stupid!

All these personal insults merely betray your own insecurity.

I made it clear that I wasn't saying Harry would do that.


> Loophole. schmoophole, any way you try to rationalize it, it's stupid.

> Posting a stupid :"theory" only to say, "But I don't really believe
> it" is the sign of a troll.

Actually, someone who tries to rile others is the sign of a troll.

The genuine posters to this newsgroup can only theorise, since we
have not yet read book 7.


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Re: Last Horcrux [message #183993 ] Sa, 17 Dezember 2005 12:24
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Zoltan 47 wrote:

> Zoltan 47 wrote:

>> Not another asshole! Your "cousin" is posting similar the same
>> bullshit on IMDB. It's in English, moron.

> In English, the last two sentences are

> "Your "cousin" is posting the same bullshit on IMDB. It's in English,
> moron. "

My dear sweet child, I do believe that you've just insulted yourself.


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Re: Last Horcrux [message #183997 ] Sa, 17 Dezember 2005 14:33
zoltan47  
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:23:43 GMT, Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day
Slitheen <bffpds [at] raxacoricofallapatoria> wrote:

>Zoltan 47 wrote:
>
>> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
>
>>> Aaron wrote:
>
>>>> Froggy wrote:
>
>>>>> I personally don't think Harry is the last Horcrux. The prophecy said
>>>>> neither can live while the other is alive so if Harry was the Horcrux
>>>>> he would HAVE to die in order for Voldemort to die.
>
>>> No, he wouldn't - Harry could create his own Horcrux, destroy Riddle's
>>> other Horcruxes, and then destroy the one inside himself while killing
>>> the bastard a nanosecond later. The new Horcrux then restores Harry.
>
>>> I'm not saying Harry would do that, just pointing out the loophole.
>
>> Right, Harry would commit murder and damage his soul Are really this
>> stupid? Oh wait, I read your earliers messages, You ARE this stupid!
>
>All these personal insults merely betray your own insecurity.

No, I'm just tired of putting up with uneducated postings from morons
who think that just because they can press letters on a keyboard they
have something worth saying. The right to have an opinion is equal,
but all opinions are not equal.

>
>I made it clear that I wasn't saying Harry would do that.

Ah yes, the great "I'll cover my ass by posting something stupid but I
don't really mean it' bullshit.
>
>
>> Loophole. schmoophole, any way you try to rationalize it, it's stupid.
>
>> Posting a stupid :"theory" only to say, "But I don't really believe
>> it" is the sign of a troll.
>
>Actually, someone who tries to rile others is the sign of a troll.

Uh, you just describe yourself, cretin.

>
>The genuine posters to this newsgroup can only theorise, since we
>have not yet read book 7.

Reply all you want. The holidays are here and I won't be able to
respond to your inane drivel, even if I wanted to further waste my
time in a battle of wits with an inferior opponent.
>
>
>Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
Re: Last Horcrux [message #184004 ] Sa, 17 Dezember 2005 17:33
Lady Grey  
zoltan47 wrote:
<snip>
> >>> JKR: Harry now knows -- well he believe he knows -- what he's
> >>> facing. Dumbledore's guesses are never very far wide of the mark. I
> >>> don't want to give too much away here, but Dumbledore says, 'There are
> >>> four out there, you've got to get rid of four, and then you go for
> >>> Voldemort.' So that's where he is, and that's what he's got to do.
> >>
> >>Don't fall for these interviews; she did ~not~ state there are four.
> >>
> >>
> >>Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
<snip>
> >Not another asshole! Your "cousin" is posting similar the same
> >bullshit on IMDB. It's in English, moron.

just because people have different opinions doesn't make them an
'a**h*le'

> In English, the last two sentences are
>
> "Your "cousin" is posting the same bullshit on IMDB. It's in English,
> moron. "

i wouldn't be so quick to insult others if i were you, don't you think
you will feel silly if Blon turns out to be right?

let me explain what i think Blon means

> > JKR: Harry now knows -- well he believe he knows -- what he's

isn't it interesting JKR rewords herself -maybe this is because harry
is actually facing more than he bargained for? like an accidental
horcrux in himself?

> > facing. Dumbledore's guesses are never very far wide of the mark. I

she doesn't say Dumbledore's guesses are 100% accurate, what she says
implies that he is unlilkely to be wrong but that doesn't mean he has
guessed all there is to know.

> > don't want to give too much away here, but Dumbledore says, 'There are
> > four out there, you've got to get rid of four, and then you go for
> > Voldemort.' So that's where he is, and that's what he's got to do.

here she paraphrases Dumbledore. that is not the same an saying that
there are only 4 horcruxes.

> Don't fall for these interviews; she did ~not~ state there are four.

exactly, you have to be as snaeky as JKR is, if not more, if you want
to have the chance of 2nd guessing book7 plot.

Jane Grey
Re: Last Horcrux [message #184043 ] Sa, 17 Dezember 2005 21:52
Troels Forchhammer  
In message <news:bffpds.57896956184914 [at] raxacoricofallapatoria> Blon
Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen <bffpds [at] raxacoricofallapatoria>
enriched us with:
>

<snip>

> No she didn't, you've missed the loophole (or maybe fallen into
> it).

That loop-hole isn't there except in your imagination. 'Never far' does
not even allow for three or five Horcruxes, or for Nagini not being a
Horcrux etc.

I've been there myself -- reading everything she said as if she was
weighing her words on the same gold-weight as I did, but that's a
mistake: she doesn't. She isn't telling us that Dumbledore might be
slightly mistaken -- she is telling us that he is right.

--
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Valid e-mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>

Knowing what
thou knowest not
is in a sense
omniscience
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Re: Last Horcrux [message #184098 ] So, 18 Dezember 2005 04:10
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Zoltan 47 wrote:

> I'm just tired of putting up with uneducated postings from morons who
> think that just because they can press letters on a keyboard they have
> something worth saying.

> bullshit

> cretin

> The holidays are here and I won't be able to respond to your inane
> drivel, even if I wanted to further waste my time in a battle of wits
> with an inferior opponent.

Happy Christmas to you too, Zoltie.


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Re: Last Horcrux [message #184099 ] So, 18 Dezember 2005 04:12
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Jane Grey wrote:

> let me explain what i think Blon means

>>> JKR: Harry now knows -- well he believe he knows -- what he's

> isn't it interesting JKR rewords herself -maybe this is because harry
> is actually facing more than he bargained for? like an accidental
> horcrux in himself?

>>> facing. Dumbledore's guesses are never very far wide of the mark. I

> she doesn't say Dumbledore's guesses are 100% accurate, what she says
> implies that he is unlilkely to be wrong but that doesn't mean he has
> guessed all there is to know.

>>> don't want to give too much away here, but Dumbledore says, 'There are
>>> four out there, you've got to get rid of four, and then you go for
>>> Voldemort.' So that's where he is, and that's what he's got to do.

> here she paraphrases Dumbledore. that is not the same an saying that
> there are only 4 horcruxes.

>> Don't fall for these interviews; she did ~not~ state there are four.

> exactly, you have to be as snaeky as JKR is, if not more, if you want
> to have the chance of 2nd guessing book7 plot.

Well put, Jane - Rowling leaves the door open for anywhere between two to
seven more horcruxes; my money is on whichever number we least expect.


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Re: Last Horcrux [message #184170 ] So, 18 Dezember 2005 22:22
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Troels Forchhammer wrote:

> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:

> You've missed the loophole (or maybe fallen into it).

> That loop-hole isn't there except in your imagination. 'Never far'
> does not even allow for three or five Horcruxes

Oh Troels, I expect better of you. "Never far from four" certainly
includes three and five, which are very close numbers indeed.


> I've been there myself -- reading everything she said as if she was
> weighing her words on the same gold-weight as I did, but that's a
> mistake: she doesn't. She isn't telling us that Dumbledore might be
> slightly mistaken -- she is telling us that he is right.

As Jane so eloquently pointed out in her post, that isn't what Rowling
said; whilst I admire your faith, the quote offers no proof. It would
be quite sensible to place a bet on four, but should book 7 reveal that
there are five more horcruxes, you can't complain the bet was lost.


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Re: Last Horcrux [message #184188 ] Mo, 19 Dezember 2005 00:39
Sirius Kase  
In article <bffpds.57896956184922 [at] raxacoricofallapatoria>,
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen <bffpds [at] raxacoricofallapatoria>
wrote:

> Well put, Jane - Rowling leaves the door open for anywhere between two to
> seven more horcruxes; my money is on whichever number we least expect.
>
>
> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen

My 2 cents: When Jo is choosing her words very carefully, when she is
rephrasing herself, this is exactly where it is fair for us to look for
the loophole. She says that Dumbledore is guessing, she says he is
rarely far from the mark. This is awfully close to her saying that what
Dumbledore has said to Harry is almost, but not quite correct.

Then, there is common sense. If Harry must find and destroy 4 known
horcruxes and then deal with Voldy, that would be a simpler plot than
the first book. The only difference is that Jo would have to come up
with trickier details.

There will be a twist, there must be a twist, and if Jo is as good as I
think she is, it will be a good one, one easily explained by the fact
that DD is almost right on the mark, but he will be wrong in some
interesting way that Harry must figure out and deal with on his own. He
must show some cleverness here, something to show that he isn't simply
Dumbledore's drone.
Re: Last Horcrux [message #184189 ] Mo, 19 Dezember 2005 00:43
Sirius Kase  
In article <bffpds.57896956184915 [at] raxacoricofallapatoria>,
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen <bffpds [at] raxacoricofallapatoria>
wrote:

> > Not another asshole! Your "cousin" is posting similar the same
> > bullshit on IMDB. It's in English, moron.
>
> For now, I shall ignore your insults, and take pity on your ignorance.
>
> Read what Rowling said very carefully, then think about it, if you can.
>
>
> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen

I don't like zoltan47, either. In my rule book, he who shouts insults
rather than logic has already forfeited the debate. I see nothing wrong
with proposing scenarios that you don't necessarily believe in. If it
illustrates a point, it isn't trolling.
Re: Last Horcrux [message #184191 ] Mo, 19 Dezember 2005 00:53
Sirius Kase  
In article <1134775377.683397.318270 [at] g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Scott" <oewscott [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, we know that Nagini is a horcrux.

Assuming Dumbledore was right about every detail in his argument.

That is, he was going to make his final horcrux with Harry's murder, he
failed, and so he made a horcrux at his next available opportunity,
which was Frank's murder.

The next book will surely test this assumption. Dumbledore's
speculations are certainly much closer to the truth than ours since he
is of that world and Jo has made him a very wise, knowledgeable
character. We, however, are limited to Harry's knowledge, so we have a
long way to go before we can claim to know better than Dumbledore. So,
until we have more imformation, we must accept the fact that
Dumbledore's theory is better than any of ours. But, Rowling has
indicated, in my opinion, that his theory is still only a guess and
probably close, but not right on the mark. I expect that Harry will
learn of some things that Dumbledore never knew. Otherwise, the last
book will be exceedingly dull.
Re: Last Horcrux [message #184256 ] Mo, 19 Dezember 2005 18:17
Troels Forchhammer  
In message <news:bffpds.57896956184923 [at] raxacoricofallapatoria>
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen <bffpds [at] raxacoricofallapatoria>
enriched us with:
>
> Troels Forchhammer wrote:
>>
>> That loop-hole isn't there except in your imagination. 'Never
>> far' does not even allow for three or five Horcruxes
>
> Oh Troels, I expect better of you. "Never far from four" certainly
> includes three and five, which are very close numbers indeed.

Under normal circumstances I'd agree with you, but in this specific
case (Rowling about the Harry Potter books) the kind of logically
restricted reading you apply will merely lead to limited conclusions in
the sense that you will not get the full set of information that she is
actually reveals, but only a very small subset (and you can't even be
sure that this is more reliable than the full set).

So, considering the source and the subject, I maintain that her
statement does not allow for three or five Horcruxes, but only for four
(not counting the possibility of Voldemort creating a new one in book
7, though).

--
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Valid e-mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>

People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom
of thought which they avoid.
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Re: Last Horcrux [message #184280 ] Mo, 19 Dezember 2005 21:03
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Sirius wrote:

> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:

>> Well put, Jane - Rowling leaves the door open for anywhere between two
>> to seven more horcruxes; my money is on whichever number we least expect.

> My 2 cents: When Jo is choosing her words very carefully, when she is
> rephrasing herself, this is exactly where it is fair for us to look for
> the loophole. She says that Dumbledore is guessing, she says he is
> rarely far from the mark. This is awfully close to her saying that what
> Dumbledore has said to Harry is almost, but not quite correct.

> Then, there is common sense. If Harry must find and destroy 4 known
> horcruxes and then deal with Voldy, that would be a simpler plot than
> the first book. The only difference is that Jo would have to come up
> with trickier details.

> There will be a twist, there must be a twist, and if Jo is as good as I
> think she is, it will be a good one, one easily explained by the fact
> that DD is almost right on the mark, but he will be wrong in some
> interesting way that Harry must figure out and deal with on his own. He
> must show some cleverness here, something to show that he isn't simply
> Dumbledore's drone.

Absolutely right, and thankyou so much for your insights.


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Re: Last Horcrux [message #184281 ] Mo, 19 Dezember 2005 21:05
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Sirius wrote:

> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:

>>> Not another asshole! Your "cousin" is posting similar the same
>>> bullshit on IMDB. It's in English, moron.

>> For now, I shall ignore your insults, and take pity on your ignorance.

>> Read what Rowling said very carefully, then think about it, if you can.

> I don't like zoltan47, either. In my rule book, he who shouts insults
> rather than logic has already forfeited the debate. I see nothing wrong
> with proposing scenarios that you don't necessarily believe in. If it
> illustrates a point, it isn't trolling.

Thanks. In our college debating society, we were made to propose/oppose
motions by taking the contrary stance, very useful training for becoming
politicians I would guess! However, in this case I think there's a good
chance that there remain some other number than four Horcruxes, although
four itself could be a double-decker surprise. But all I was trying to
make Zoltan see was that Rowling did not explicitly state an exact four.


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Re: Last Horcrux [message #188561 ] Di, 20 Dezember 2005 01:00
bdsaints  
Scott wrote:
> What do you think the last horcrux is?
Re: Last Horcrux [message #188571 ] Di, 20 Dezember 2005 02:31
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Troels Forchhammer wrote:

> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:

>>> That loop-hole isn't there except in your imagination. 'Never
>>> far' does not even allow for three or five Horcruxes

>> Oh Troels, I expect better of you. "Never far from four" certainly
>> includes three and five, which are very close numbers indeed.

> Under normal circumstances I'd agree with you, but in this specific
> case (Rowling about the Harry Potter books) the kind of logically
> restricted reading you apply will merely lead to limited conclusions in
> the sense that you will not get the full set of information that she is
> actually reveals, but only a very small subset (and you can't even be
> sure that this is more reliable than the full set).

The way to read her statement is how one would react if there WERE more
Horcruxes remaining. Could anyone complain that Rowling said that there
were exactly four? No they can't, since there's wriggle room built in.


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Re: Last Horcrux [message #188612 ] Di, 20 Dezember 2005 17:09
squiggles  
> Scott wrote:
> > What do you think the last horcrux is?

Harry!!!
Re: Last Horcrux [message #191172 ] Fr, 23 Dezember 2005 18:21
Lady Grey  
Troels Forchhammer wrote:
> In message <news:bffpds.57896956184923 [at] raxacoricofallapatoria>
> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen <bffpds [at] raxacoricofallapatoria>
> enriched us with:
> >
> > Troels Forchhammer wrote:
> >>
> >> That loop-hole isn't there except in your imagination. 'Never
> >> far' does not even allow for three or five Horcruxes
> >
> > Oh Troels, I expect better of you. "Never far from four" certainly
> > includes three and five, which are very close numbers indeed.
>
> Under normal circumstances I'd agree with you, but in this specific
> case (Rowling about the Harry Potter books) the kind of logically
> restricted reading you apply will merely lead to limited conclusions in
> the sense that you will not get the full set of information that she is
> actually reveals, but only a very small subset (and you can't even be
> sure that this is more reliable than the full set).
>
> So, considering the source and the subject, I maintain that her
> statement does not allow for three or five Horcruxes, but only for four

But why would she rephrase herself here: "Harry now knows -- well he
believe he knows -- what he's facing. "

She then goes on to say: "Dumbledore's guesses are never very far wide
of the mark. don't want to give too much away here, but Dumbledore
says, 'There are four out there, you've got to get rid of four, and
then you go for Voldemort.' So that's where he is, and that's what he's
got to do.

So yes, harry has four horcruxes to find and destroy before he can go
for Voldemort, but that doesn't mean he doesn't get surprised along the
way, like finding out he is an accidental horcrux, or that he can tune
himself to act like a compass to find the horcruxes (because he has
LV's soulbit in him). JKR is all about the plot twists; IMO if she
wanted to tell us there were only 4horcurxes, she would have said so,
instead of paraphrasing Dumbledore.

> (not counting the possibility of Voldemort creating a new one in book
> 7, though).

I don't think Voldemort is able to make anymore horcruxes. Lily's
protection stops the bearer from being harmed by Voldemort, therefore,
as of Voldemort's 2nd comming, it stops his soul from being ripped when
he kills. This is why Dumbledore had a 'gleam of something like
thriumph' in this eyes in GoF when harry told him about Voldemort using
harry's blood to resurect.

---
Jane Grey
Re: Last Horcrux [message #191263 ] Sa, 24 Dezember 2005 15:50
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Jane Grey wrote:

> I don't think Voldemort is able to make anymore horcruxes. Lily's
> protection stops the bearer from being harmed by Voldemort, therefore,
> as of Voldemort's 2nd comming, it stops his soul from being ripped when
> he kills. This is why Dumbledore had a 'gleam of something like
> thriumph' in this eyes in GoF when harry told him about Voldemort using
> harry's blood to resurect.

Oh Jane, that's an excellent twist on an old theory!


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Re: Last Horcrux [message #191269 ] Sa, 24 Dezember 2005 16:36
Lady Grey  
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
> Jane Grey wrote:
>
> > I don't think Voldemort is able to make anymore horcruxes. Lily's
> > protection stops the bearer from being harmed by Voldemort, therefore,
> > as of Voldemort's 2nd comming, it stops his soul from being ripped when
> > he kills. This is why Dumbledore had a 'gleam of something like
> > thriumph' in this eyes in GoF when harry told him about Voldemort using
> > harry's blood to resurect.
>
> Oh Jane, that's an excellent twist on an old theory!

what old theory is this then?

> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
>
> --
> Free Margaret Blaine now!

who is Margaret Blaine ?

--
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Re: Last Horcrux [message #191275 ] Sa, 24 Dezember 2005 20:45
bethbriuk  
Jane Grey wrote:
> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:
> > Jane Grey wrote:
> >
> > > I don't think Voldemort is able to make anymore horcruxes. Lily's
> > > protection stops the bearer from being harmed by Voldemort, therefore,
> > > as of Voldemort's 2nd comming, it stops his soul from being ripped when
> > > he kills. This is why Dumbledore had a 'gleam of something like
> > > thriumph' in this eyes in GoF when harry told him about Voldemort using
> > > harry's blood to resurect.
> >
> > Oh Jane, that's an excellent twist on an old theory!
>
> what old theory is this then?
>
> > Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
> >
> > --
> > Free Margaret Blaine now!
>
> who is Margaret Blaine ?
>
> --
> Jane Grey

No, Jane, "Who" is the doctor. "Margaret Blaine" is the Slitheen! :-)
We've had this question and answer before

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