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| OT: Alexander Siddig (DS9's Doctor Bashir) in "Syriana" [message #180052] |
Mo, 12 Dezember 2005 20:33 |
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Alexander Siddig (DS9's Doctor Bashir) in "Syriana"
Fans of Alexander Siddig (DS9's Doctor Bashir) should definitely check
out the newly released movie "Syriana". Siddig displays his
acting versatility as he plays a liberal progressive Arab Emir who
wants to use oil revenues to improve his country's economic and
social infrastructure while democratizeing his society. But he runs up
against the CIA and two American oil corporations who are threatened by
his intention to diversify the marketing of his country's oil to
China and Europe. He winds up targeted for assassination. Robert
Foxworth (DS9's "Paradise Lost" Admiral Leyton) also has a role in
the movie as a board member of one of the big American oil corporation
concerned about the destination of the Emir's oil.
There are four separate plot lines in the movie involving; 1)
unemployed immigrant oil workers from Central Asia who fall under the
influence of Fundamentalists 2) George Clooney as the CIA agent
initially assigned to organize the assassination of Siddig's
character 3) a merger between the two U.S. oil corporations who want to
monopolize Mideast oil but have a temporary roadblock toward their
merger because of courruption charges brought by the U.S. Justice
Department due to their previously purchasing influence in the
government of Kazakhstan. How they resolve that issue is a real
insight into how corporations and government do business. 4) The
struggle between Siddig's liberal Emir and his weak, hedonistic
brother over the succession to the throne and the future of their
country.
There is a rather gruesome torture scene in the movie which makes you
feel like you are the one in the chair. But that scene should also make
anyone think twice about endorsing torture as a legal means of
interrogation. There's a lot going on in this movie that comes
together in an intersection at the end. Like a good detective movie it
may not always be clear what is going on (both to the characters and
the audience). While the movie drops historical references (like to
the democratically elected Mosadegh government of Iran in 1953 which
was overthrown by the CIA after nationalizing Iranian oil) it
unfortunately doesn't always spell out the significance of those
references for the audience.
In any case Alexander Siddig's performance is excellent. Nice to see
him on the big screen in "Syriana" It should not be missed.
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| Re: Alexander Siddig (DS9's Doctor Bashir) in "Syriana" [message #180058 ] |
Di, 13 Dezember 2005 21:54 |
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<sisko2374 [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:1134415998.904554.88760 [at] g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Alexander Siddig (DS9's Doctor Bashir) in "Syriana"
>
> Fans of Alexander Siddig (DS9's Doctor Bashir) should definitely check
> out the newly released movie "Syriana". Siddig displays his
> acting versatility as he plays a liberal progressive Arab Emir who
> wants to use oil revenues to improve his country's economic and
> social infrastructure while democratizeing his society. But he runs up
> against the CIA and two American oil corporations who are threatened by
> his intention to diversify the marketing of his country's oil to
> China and Europe. He winds up targeted for assassination. Robert
> Foxworth (DS9's "Paradise Lost" Admiral Leyton) also has a role in
> the movie as a board member of one of the big American oil corporation
> concerned about the destination of the Emir's oil.
>
> There are four separate plot lines in the movie involving; 1)
> unemployed immigrant oil workers from Central Asia who fall under the
> influence of Fundamentalists 2) George Clooney as the CIA agent
> initially assigned to organize the assassination of Siddig's
> character 3) a merger between the two U.S. oil corporations who want to
> monopolize Mideast oil but have a temporary roadblock toward their
> merger because of courruption charges brought by the U.S. Justice
> Department due to their previously purchasing influence in the
> government of Kazakhstan. How they resolve that issue is a real
> insight into how corporations and government do business. 4) The
> struggle between Siddig's liberal Emir and his weak, hedonistic
> brother over the succession to the throne and the future of their
> country.
>
> There is a rather gruesome torture scene in the movie which makes you
> feel like you are the one in the chair. But that scene should also make
> anyone think twice about endorsing torture as a legal means of
> interrogation. There's a lot going on in this movie that comes
> together in an intersection at the end. Like a good detective movie it
> may not always be clear what is going on (both to the characters and
> the audience). While the movie drops historical references (like to
> the democratically elected Mosadegh government of Iran in 1953 which
> was overthrown by the CIA after nationalizing Iranian oil) it
> unfortunately doesn't always spell out the significance of those
> references for the audience.
>
> In any case Alexander Siddig's performance is excellent. Nice to see
> him on the big screen in "Syriana" It should not be missed.
Sounds like true life to me. Big, bad America and the constant struggle
for democracy by all the oil sheiks.
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| Re: Alexander Siddig (DS9's Doctor Bashir) in "Syriana" [message #180137 ] |
Do, 15 Dezember 2005 15:05 |
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Awww, its just a parable. Substitute any secular nationalist for the
Emir. And In true life us poor virtuous persecuted Americans spread
democracy wherever we go, from Chile to Abu Ghraib.
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| Re: Alexander Siddig (DS9's Doctor Bashir) in "Syriana" [message #180139 ] |
Do, 15 Dezember 2005 15:07 |
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Well, its just a parable. Substitute "secular left" for "arab sheiks".
Substitute "poor persecuted democratic America" and I know you'll
feel better.
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| Re: Alexander Siddig (DS9's Doctor Bashir) in "Syriana" [message #180140 ] |
Do, 15 Dezember 2005 16:02 |
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Well, its just a parable. Substitute "secular left" for "arab sheiks".
Substitute "poor persecuted democratic America" and I know you'll
feel better.
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| Re: Alexander Siddig (DS9's Doctor Bashir) in "Syriana" [message #180141 ] |
Do, 15 Dezember 2005 17:04 |
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<sisko2374 [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:1134655533.658212.135980 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Awww, its just a parable. Substitute any secular nationalist for the
> Emir. And In true life us poor virtuous persecuted Americans spread
> democracy wherever we go, from Chile to Abu Ghraib.
So, which flavor of Cool-aid is your favorite?
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| Re: Alexander Siddig (DS9's Doctor Bashir) in "Syriana" [message #180142 ] |
Do, 15 Dezember 2005 17:45 |
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> <sisko2374 [at] aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1134655533.658212.135980 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Awww, its just a parable. Substitute any secular nationalist for the
>> Emir. And In true life us poor virtuous persecuted Americans spread
>> democracy wherever we go, from Chile to Abu Ghraib.
>
> So, which flavor of Cool-aid is your favorite?
You know, a flip comment like that does no good. I retract it.
A few bad people did some incredibly dumb things and you just
love it.
Question: What is it in you that make you like to take things like
Abu Ghraib - fill up your tub with it, roll around in it, wallow in it,
and harp on it over and over? Do you hate America? Do you hate
a single man you have never met before that much? Do you have
information the rest of us don't? Please, clue us in on the inner
workings.
Numan
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| Re: Alexander Siddig (DS9's Doctor Bashir) in "Syriana" [message #180163 ] |
Fr, 16 Dezember 2005 01:25 |
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Numan rants:
> Question: What is it in you that make you like to take things like
> Abu Ghraib - fill up your tub with it, roll around in it, wallow in it,
> and harp on it over and over? Do you hate America? Do you hate
> a single man you have never met before that much? Do you have
> information the rest of us don't? Please, clue us in on the inner
> workings.
So, sent away for your "What happens in Gitmo stays in Gitmo" tee-shirt
yet?
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Johnny Pez
Newport, Rhode Island
December 2005
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| Re: Alexander Siddig (DS9's Doctor Bashir) in "Syriana" [message #180171 ] |
Fr, 16 Dezember 2005 17:12 |
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"Johnny Pez" <jpez9 [at] localnet.com> wrote in message
news:1134692751.452596.69750 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Numan rants:
>
>> Question: What is it in you that make you like to take things like
>> Abu Ghraib - fill up your tub with it, roll around in it, wallow in it,
>> and harp on it over and over? Do you hate America? Do you hate
>> a single man you have never met before that much? Do you have
>> information the rest of us don't? Please, clue us in on the inner
>> workings.
>
> So, sent away for your "What happens in Gitmo stays in Gitmo" tee-shirt
> yet?
> --
> Johnny Pez
> Newport, Rhode Island
> December 2005
No, but if they have a "We should have just killed them outright!" Tee
I wouldn't mind having one of those.
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| Re: Alexander Siddig (DS9's Doctor Bashir) in "Syriana" [message #180209 ] |
So, 18 Dezember 2005 01:59 |
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Numan blathers:
>> So, sent away for your "What happens in Gitmo stays in Gitmo" tee-shirt
>> yet?
> No, but if they have a "We should have just killed them outright!" Tee
> I wouldn't mind having one of those.
>From Wonkette, 15 December 2005:
Saddiq Ahmad Turkistani was freed from a Taliban prison in the early
days of the Afghan war. He'd been wrongly imprisoned, he told
reporters--though he had indeed helped hatch a plot to kill Osama Bin
Laden. He despised the Taliban and al Qaeda, and was an eager supporter
of the U.S. war on terror.
There was some initial talk with UN officials about perhaps relocating
to Pakistan, but soon enough the U.S. military had the situation well
in hand. As Robin Wright and Josh White report in today's WaPo,
Turkistani "was taken to a U.S military base in Afghanistan, where he
was stripped, bound and thrown behind bars. U.S. officials then
strapped him into an airplane, fitted him with dark goggles and sent
him to the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in January
2002, according to U.S. lawyers who represent him." And there he sits
unto this day, since even though he has been cleared of any suspicion
of terrorist activity, the U.S. can't figure out where he should be
released to--or for that matter, it seems, why they have him detained
in the first place:
It remains a mystery why Turkistani was sent to Guantanamo Bay at all.
Some officials and his lawyers speculate that he has been held by
mistake. Or, they say, some officials may have believed he had
intelligence value because bin Laden accused him of trying to plot his
killing in 1998. U.S. officials have offered no public explanation.
Like a group of five Chinese Uighurs (pronounced wee-gurs) , Turkistani
remains incarcerated because the United States simply does not know
what to do with him. He does not have Saudi citizenship, and U.S.
officials are having trouble getting his home country to take him back.
U.S. officials do not want to send him to China, where Uighurs are
seeking a separate homeland, saying he is likely to be tortured.
Turkistani's detainers have certainly cleared up one thing, though,
according to one of his lawyers, Susan Baker Manning: "The enemy took
away his life for 4 1/2 years, and we reward him for that by taking
away his life for another four years. He clearly opposed al Qaeda and
the Taliban, and he still feels that way. He's not a huge fan of the
U.S. anymore."
--
Johnny Pez
Newport, Rhode Island
December 2005
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| Re: Alexander Siddig (DS9's Doctor Bashir) in "Syriana" [message #180245 ] |
So, 18 Dezember 2005 17:14 |
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--
Numan
"Johnny Pez" <jpez9 [at] localnet.com> wrote in message
news:1134867554.944118.303470 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> Numan blathers:
>
>>> So, sent away for your "What happens in Gitmo stays in Gitmo" tee-shirt
>>> yet?
>
>> No, but if they have a "We should have just killed them outright!" Tee
>> I wouldn't mind having one of those.
>
>>From Wonkette, 15 December 2005:
>
> Saddiq Ahmad Turkistani was freed from a Taliban prison in the early
> days of the Afghan war. He'd been wrongly imprisoned, he told
> reporters--though he had indeed helped hatch a plot to kill Osama Bin
> Laden. He despised the Taliban and al Qaeda, and was an eager supporter
> of the U.S. war on terror.
>
> There was some initial talk with UN officials about perhaps relocating
> to Pakistan, but soon enough the U.S. military had the situation well
> in hand. As Robin Wright and Josh White report in today's WaPo,
> Turkistani "was taken to a U.S military base in Afghanistan, where he
> was stripped, bound and thrown behind bars. U.S. officials then
> strapped him into an airplane, fitted him with dark goggles and sent
> him to the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in January
> 2002, according to U.S. lawyers who represent him." And there he sits
> unto this day, since even though he has been cleared of any suspicion
> of terrorist activity, the U.S. can't figure out where he should be
> released to--or for that matter, it seems, why they have him detained
> in the first place:
>
> It remains a mystery why Turkistani was sent to Guantanamo Bay at all.
> Some officials and his lawyers speculate that he has been held by
> mistake. Or, they say, some officials may have believed he had
> intelligence value because bin Laden accused him of trying to plot his
> killing in 1998. U.S. officials have offered no public explanation.
> Like a group of five Chinese Uighurs (pronounced wee-gurs) , Turkistani
> remains incarcerated because the United States simply does not know
> what to do with him. He does not have Saudi citizenship, and U.S.
> officials are having trouble getting his home country to take him back.
> U.S. officials do not want to send him to China, where Uighurs are
> seeking a separate homeland, saying he is likely to be tortured.
>
>
> Turkistani's detainers have certainly cleared up one thing, though,
> according to one of his lawyers, Susan Baker Manning: "The enemy took
> away his life for 4 1/2 years, and we reward him for that by taking
> away his life for another four years. He clearly opposed al Qaeda and
> the Taliban, and he still feels that way. He's not a huge fan of the
> U.S. anymore."
> --
> Johnny Pez
> Newport, Rhode Island
> December 2005
They "speculate" that he is being held by mistake but you use
it as fact. Cool-aid drinker!
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| Re: Alexander Siddig (DS9's Doctor Bashir) in "Syriana" [message #188006 ] |
Mi, 21 Dezember 2005 11:06 |
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Numan wrote:
> --
>
> Numan
> "Johnny Pez" <jpez9 [at] localnet.com> wrote in message
> news:1134867554.944118.303470 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> > Numan blathers:
> >
> >>> So, sent away for your "What happens in Gitmo stays in Gitmo" tee-shirt
> >>> yet?
> >
> >> No, but if they have a "We should have just killed them outright!" Tee
> >> I wouldn't mind having one of those.
> >
> >>From Wonkette, 15 December 2005:
> >
> > Saddiq Ahmad Turkistani was freed from a Taliban prison in the early
> > days of the Afghan war. He'd been wrongly imprisoned, he told
> > reporters--though he had indeed helped hatch a plot to kill Osama Bin
> > Laden. He despised the Taliban and al Qaeda, and was an eager supporter
> > of the U.S. war on terror.
> >
> > There was some initial talk with UN officials about perhaps relocating
> > to Pakistan, but soon enough the U.S. military had the situation well
> > in hand. As Robin Wright and Josh White report in today's WaPo,
> > Turkistani "was taken to a U.S military base in Afghanistan, where he
> > was stripped, bound and thrown behind bars. U.S. officials then
> > strapped him into an airplane, fitted him with dark goggles and sent
> > him to the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in January
> > 2002, according to U.S. lawyers who represent him." And there he sits
> > unto this day, since even though he has been cleared of any suspicion
> > of terrorist activity, the U.S. can't figure out where he should be
> > released to--or for that matter, it seems, why they have him detained
> > in the first place:
> >
> > It remains a mystery why Turkistani was sent to Guantanamo Bay at all.
> > Some officials and his lawyers speculate that he has been held by
> > mistake. Or, they say, some officials may have believed he had
> > intelligence value because bin Laden accused him of trying to plot his
> > killing in 1998. U.S. officials have offered no public explanation.
> > Like a group of five Chinese Uighurs (pronounced wee-gurs) , Turkistani
> > remains incarcerated because the United States simply does not know
> > what to do with him. He does not have Saudi citizenship, and U.S.
> > officials are having trouble getting his home country to take him back.
> > U.S. officials do not want to send him to China, where Uighurs are
> > seeking a separate homeland, saying he is likely to be tortured.
> >
> >
> > Turkistani's detainers have certainly cleared up one thing, though,
> > according to one of his lawyers, Susan Baker Manning: "The enemy took
> > away his life for 4 1/2 years, and we reward him for that by taking
> > away his life for another four years. He clearly opposed al Qaeda and
> > the Taliban, and he still feels that way. He's not a huge fan of the
> > U.S. anymore."
> > --
> > Johnny Pez
> > Newport, Rhode Island
> > December 2005
>
> They "speculate" that he is being held by mistake but you use
> it as fact. Cool-aid drinker!
Aha! I've got it! You're not _really_ a bloodthirsty right-wing
nutcase, you're actually a _liberal_ who's _pretending_ to be a
bloodthirsty right-wing nutcase! A bit of clever political satire for
the benefit of those few Trek fans who are still following this thread.
Good one, dude. You really had me going there.
--
Johnny Pez
Newport, Rhode Island
December 2005
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| Re: Alexander Siddig (DS9's Doctor Bashir) in "Syriana" [message #188009 ] |
Mi, 21 Dezember 2005 17:14 |
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"Johnny Pez" <jpez9 [at] localnet.com> wrote in message
news:1135159594.093198.129810 [at] g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Numan wrote:
>> --
>>
>> Numan
>> "Johnny Pez" <jpez9 [at] localnet.com> wrote in message
>> news:1134867554.944118.303470 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> > Numan blathers:
>> >
>> >>> So, sent away for your "What happens in Gitmo stays in Gitmo"
>> >>> tee-shirt
>> >>> yet?
>> >
>> >> No, but if they have a "We should have just killed them outright!" Tee
>> >> I wouldn't mind having one of those.
>> >
>> >>From Wonkette, 15 December 2005:
>> >
>> > Saddiq Ahmad Turkistani was freed from a Taliban prison in the early
>> > days of the Afghan war. He'd been wrongly imprisoned, he told
>> > reporters--though he had indeed helped hatch a plot to kill Osama Bin
>> > Laden. He despised the Taliban and al Qaeda, and was an eager supporter
>> > of the U.S. war on terror.
>> >
>> > There was some initial talk with UN officials about perhaps relocating
>> > to Pakistan, but soon enough the U.S. military had the situation well
>> > in hand. As Robin Wright and Josh White report in today's WaPo,
>> > Turkistani "was taken to a U.S military base in Afghanistan, where he
>> > was stripped, bound and thrown behind bars. U.S. officials then
>> > strapped him into an airplane, fitted him with dark goggles and sent
>> > him to the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in January
>> > 2002, according to U.S. lawyers who represent him." And there he sits
>> > unto this day, since even though he has been cleared of any suspicion
>> > of terrorist activity, the U.S. can't figure out where he should be
>> > released to--or for that matter, it seems, why they have him detained
>> > in the first place:
>> >
>> > It remains a mystery why Turkistani was sent to Guantanamo Bay at all.
>> > Some officials and his lawyers speculate that he has been held by
>> > mistake. Or, they say, some officials may have believed he had
>> > intelligence value because bin Laden accused him of trying to plot his
>> > killing in 1998. U.S. officials have offered no public explanation.
>> > Like a group of five Chinese Uighurs (pronounced wee-gurs) , Turkistani
>> > remains incarcerated because the United States simply does not know
>> > what to do with him. He does not have Saudi citizenship, and U.S.
>> > officials are having trouble getting his home country to take him back.
>> > U.S. officials do not want to send him to China, where Uighurs are
>> > seeking a separate homeland, saying he is likely to be tortured.
>> >
>> >
>> > Turkistani's detainers have certainly cleared up one thing, though,
>> > according to one of his lawyers, Susan Baker Manning: "The enemy took
>> > away his life for 4 1/2 years, and we reward him for that by taking
>> > away his life for another four years. He clearly opposed al Qaeda and
>> > the Taliban, and he still feels that way. He's not a huge fan of the
>> > U.S. anymore."
>> > --
>> > Johnny Pez
>> > Newport, Rhode Island
>> > December 2005
>>
>> They "speculate" that he is being held by mistake but you use
>> it as fact. Cool-aid drinker!
>
> Aha! I've got it! You're not _really_ a bloodthirsty right-wing
> nutcase, you're actually a _liberal_ who's _pretending_ to be a
> bloodthirsty right-wing nutcase! A bit of clever political satire for
> the benefit of those few Trek fans who are still following this thread.
>
> Good one, dude. You really had me going there.
> --
> Johnny Pez
> Newport, Rhode Island
> December 2005
Mr. Pez
No, I am neither one. I am a logical, conservative, independent. What
have I said that would make any rational person think I am either
bloodthirsty, right-wing, or a nutcase? Serious question.
When you are in combat you kill the enemy. That is a soldiers job.
Its very plain and simple. If you don't want them to kill the enemy
you don't send them to begin with. Only a P.C. pussy would send a
solider to do a policeman's job. Our military is for killing the enemy.
The UN is for policing. But we saw what a bunch on no account,
money grubbing, pussies they all are.
I make a prediction: The US will fall and it will be P.C. people,
like yourself, who will hand the keys to the kingdom to our
enemies. And then bitch about it afterwards.
Oh, I like how you changed the tag line to "Numan Blathers". I don't
agree with you so that automatically means I am blathering. Nice.
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| Re: Alexander Siddig (DS9's Doctor Bashir) in "Syriana" [message #188038 ] |
Do, 22 Dezember 2005 09:00 |
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Numan wrote:
> "Johnny Pez" <jpez9 [at] localnet.com> wrote in message
> news:1135159594.093198.129810 [at] g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Numan wrote:
> >> --
> >>
> >> Numan
> >> "Johnny Pez" <jpez9 [at] localnet.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1134867554.944118.303470 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> >> > Numan blathers:
> >> >
> >> >>> So, sent away for your "What happens in Gitmo stays in Gitmo"
> >> >>> tee-shirt
> >> >>> yet?
> >> >
> >> >> No, but if they have a "We should have just killed them outright!" Tee
> >> >> I wouldn't mind having one of those.
> >> >
> >> >>From Wonkette, 15 December 2005:
> >> >
> >> > Saddiq Ahmad Turkistani was freed from a Taliban prison in the early
> >> > days of the Afghan war. He'd been wrongly imprisoned, he told
> >> > reporters--though he had indeed helped hatch a plot to kill Osama Bin
> >> > Laden. He despised the Taliban and al Qaeda, and was an eager supporter
> >> > of the U.S. war on terror.
> >> >
> >> > There was some initial talk with UN officials about perhaps relocating
> >> > to Pakistan, but soon enough the U.S. military had the situation well
> >> > in hand. As Robin Wright and Josh White report in today's WaPo,
> >> > Turkistani "was taken to a U.S military base in Afghanistan, where he
> >> > was stripped, bound and thrown behind bars. U.S. officials then
> >> > strapped him into an airplane, fitted him with dark goggles and sent
> >> > him to the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in January
> >> > 2002, according to U.S. lawyers who represent him." And there he sits
> >> > unto this day, since even though he has been cleared of any suspicion
> >> > of terrorist activity, the U.S. can't figure out where he should be
> >> > released to--or for that matter, it seems, why they have him detained
> >> > in the first place:
> >> >
> >> > It remains a mystery why Turkistani was sent to Guantanamo Bay at all.
> >> > Some officials and his lawyers speculate that he has been held by
> >> > mistake. Or, they say, some officials may have believed he had
> >> > intelligence value because bin Laden accused him of trying to plot his
> >> > killing in 1998. U.S. officials have offered no public explanation.
> >> > Like a group of five Chinese Uighurs (pronounced wee-gurs) , Turkistani
> >> > remains incarcerated because the United States simply does not know
> >> > what to do with him. He does not have Saudi citizenship, and U.S.
> >> > officials are having trouble getting his home country to take him back.
> >> > U.S. officials do not want to send him to China, where Uighurs are
> >> > seeking a separate homeland, saying he is likely to be tortured.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Turkistani's detainers have certainly cleared up one thing, though,
> >> > according to one of his lawyers, Susan Baker Manning: "The enemy took
> >> > away his life for 4 1/2 years, and we reward him for that by taking
> >> > away his life for another four years. He clearly opposed al Qaeda and
> >> > the Taliban, and he still feels that way. He's not a huge fan of the
> >> > U.S. anymore."
> >> > --
> >> > Johnny Pez
> >> > Newport, Rhode Island
> >> > December 2005
> >>
> >> They "speculate" that he is being held by mistake but you use
> >> it as fact. Cool-aid drinker!
> >
> > Aha! I've got it! You're not _really_ a bloodthirsty right-wing
> > nutcase, you're actually a _liberal_ who's _pretending_ to be a
> > bloodthirsty right-wing nutcase! A bit of clever political satire for
> > the benefit of those few Trek fans who are still following this thread.
> >
> > Good one, dude. You really had me going there.
> > --
> > Johnny Pez
> > Newport, Rhode Island
> > December 2005
>
> Mr. Pez
>
> No, I am neither one. I am a logical, conservative, independent. What
> have I said that would make any rational person think I am either
> bloodthirsty, right-wing, or a nutcase? Serious question.
>
> When you are in combat you kill the enemy. That is a soldiers job.
> Its very plain and simple. If you don't want them to kill the enemy
> you don't send them to begin with. Only a P.C. pussy would send a
> solider to do a policeman's job. Our military is for killing the enemy.
> The UN is for policing. But we saw what a bunch on no account,
> money grubbing, pussies they all are.
>
> I make a prediction: The US will fall and it will be P.C. people,
> like yourself, who will hand the keys to the kingdom to our
> enemies. And then bitch about it afterwards.
>
> Oh, I like how you changed the tag line to "Numan Blathers". I don't
> agree with you so that automatically means I am blathering. Nice.
Love it, dude, just love it! You've got it all down: the aggression,
the overwrought language, the nonsequiter reasoning. And the repeated
use of the epithet "pussy" is a nice touch. Misogyny? Homophobia? A
bit of both? Whatever, brilliant!
They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so here goes:
"You P.C. pussies with your bitching and moaning about 'illegal
wiretaps' show just how ignorant you are. This country is surrounded
by enemies who are trying to destroy us, and all you can do is whine
about 'separation of powers' and 'due process' and 'civil liberties'
and 'legality'.
"We're in a life-and-death struggle here, we need a leader who is
willing to do whatever he has to do to defend us. If that means
ignoring inconvenient laws and sidestepping outdated Constitutional
amendments, then so be it. As Senator Cornyn so brilliantly put it,
what good are civil liberties when you're dead? Besides, if you've got
nothing to hide, why should you object to being watched?"
So, what do you think? Have I got the tone right?
Btw, about your screen name: a Seinfeld ref, or what?
--
Johnny Pez
Newport, Rhode Island
December 2005
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| Re: Alexander Siddig (DS9's Doctor Bashir) in "Syriana" [message #188043 ] |
Do, 22 Dezember 2005 20:15 |
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"Johnny Pez" <jpez9 [at] localnet.com> wrote in message
news:1135238449.213300.309860 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>> Mr. Pez
>>
>> No, I am neither one. I am a logical, conservative, independent. What
>> have I said that would make any rational person think I am either
>> bloodthirsty, right-wing, or a nutcase? Serious question.
>>
>> When you are in combat you kill the enemy. That is a soldiers job.
>> Its very plain and simple. If you don't want them to kill the enemy
>> you don't send them to begin with. Only a P.C. pussy would send a
>> solider to do a policeman's job. Our military is for killing the enemy.
>> The UN is for policing. But we saw what a bunch on no account,
>> money grubbing, pussies they all are.
>>
>> I make a prediction: The US will fall and it will be P.C. people,
>> like yourself, who will hand the keys to the kingdom to our
>> enemies. And then bitch about it afterwards.
>>
>> Oh, I like how you changed the tag line to "Numan Blathers". I don't
>> agree with you so that automatically means I am blathering. Nice.
>
> Love it, dude, just love it! You've got it all down: the aggression,
> the overwrought language, the nonsequiter reasoning. And the repeated
> use of the epithet "pussy" is a nice touch. Misogyny? Homophobia? A
> bit of both? Whatever, brilliant!
>
> They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so here goes:
>
> "You P.C. pussies with your bitching and moaning about 'illegal
> wiretaps' show just how ignorant you are. This country is surrounded
> by enemies who are trying to destroy us, and all you can do is whine
> about 'separation of powers' and 'due process' and 'civil liberties'
> and 'legality'.
>
> "We're in a life-and-death struggle here, we need a leader who is
> willing to do whatever he has to do to defend us. If that means
> ignoring inconvenient laws and sidestepping outdated Constitutional
> amendments, then so be it. As Senator Cornyn so brilliantly put it,
> what good are civil liberties when you're dead? Besides, if you've got
> nothing to hide, why should you object to being watched?"
>
> So, what do you think? Have I got the tone right?
>
> Btw, about your screen name: a Seinfeld ref, or what?
> --
> Johnny Pez
> Newport, Rhode Island
> December 2005
Mr. Pez,
Who exactly are you talking about? Who isn't getting due process
or civil liberties? Americans? Enemy combatants? Who is doing
something illegal? Bring your proof. Real proof, not your radical,
left-wing propaganda.
America comes first, in my book, because I am American.
We SHOULD do whatever it takes to keep ourselves safe.
Any country should. I don't mind wiretaps, etc. because I
have nothing to hide sums it up for me. People like you fall
all over yourselves doing illogical things that will help our
enemies hurt us.
If blond haired, blue eyed people were trying to kill
everyone who doesn't share their views on religion by
using bombs, etc. I would expect to watched as a possible
subject. That is logical. But people like you don't use
logic. And it is a shame.
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| Re: Alexander Siddig (DS9's Doctor Bashir) in "Syriana" [message #188045 ] |
Fr, 23 Dezember 2005 04:22 |
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Numan wrote:
>
> Mr. Pez,
>
> Who exactly are you talking about? Who isn't getting due process
> or civil liberties? Americans? Enemy combatants? Who is doing
> something illegal? Bring your proof. Real proof, not your radical,
> left-wing propaganda.
>
> America comes first, in my book, because I am American.
> We SHOULD do whatever it takes to keep ourselves safe.
> Any country should. I don't mind wiretaps, etc. because I
> have nothing to hide sums it up for me. People like you fall
> all over yourselves doing illogical things that will help our
> enemies hurt us.
>
> If blond haired, blue eyed people were trying to kill
> everyone who doesn't share their views on religion by
> using bombs, etc. I would expect to watched as a possible
> subject. That is logical. But people like you don't use
> logic. And it is a shame.
Okay, I freely admit that your raving is much better than mine, but,
c'mon, I think mine was pretty good for a first effort. Btw (if you
don't mind me briefly dragging this thread back on-topic), were you
quoting Gul Dukat? I distinctly remember Dukat saying something very
much like that in some episode of DS9 or other. "Waltz", maybe? Can
anyone out there help me? Assuming anyone else is still following this
thread.
One last thing: a blogger called The Rude Pundit has come up with a
contract agreeing to the forfeiture of various civil liberties, and
he's trying to get as many conservatives as possible to sign it and
mail it to the White House as a gesture of solidarity. If you happen
to know any real-life right-wing nutcases, could you please pass it
along and ask them to participate? Thanks.
I (the undersigned) believe President George W. Bush when he says that
the United States of America is fighting "a new kind of enemy" that
requires "new thinking" about how to wage war. Therefore, as a loyal
citizen of President Bush's United States, my signature below
indicates my agreement to the following:
1. I believe wholeheartedly in the USA PATRIOT Act as initially passed
by Congress in 2001, as well as the provisions of the Domestic Security
Enhancement Act. Therefore, I grant the FBI access to:
a. my library records, so it may determine if I am reading material
that might designate me an enemy of the nation;
b. my financial records, including credit reports, so it may determine
if I am contributing monetarily to any governmentally proscribed
activities or organizations;
c. my medical records, so it may determine if my prescriptions,
injuries, or other conditions are indicative of terrorist activity on
my part; and
d. any and all other personal records including, but not limited to,
my store purchases, my school records, my web browsing history, and
anything else determined as a "tangible thing" necessary to engage in a
secret investigation of me.
I agree that I do not need to be notified if my records have come under
scrutiny by the FBI, and, furthermore, I agree that no warrant is
needed for the FBI to engage in this examination of my personal
records. Additionally, I agree that the FBI should be allowed to
monitor any groups it believes may be linked to what it determines to
be terrorist activity.
2. I believe that the President of the United States has the power to
mitigate any and all laws passed by the Congress and that he has such
power granted to him by his Constitutional status as Commander-in-Chief
as well as the 2001 Authorization of Military Force, passed by the
Congress, which states that the President can use "all necessary and
appropriate force" in prosecution of the war. Therefore, I grant the
United States government the following powers: a. that the National
Security Agency, under the direction of the President, may tap my phone
lines and intercept my e-mail without warrant or FISA oversight;
b. that the President may hold me or other detainees without access to
the legal system for a period of time to be determined by the President
or his agents;
c. that the President may authorize physical force against me or other
individual detainees in order to gain intelligence and that he may
define whether such physical force may be called "torture"; and
d. that the President may set aside any and all laws he sees as
hindering the gathering of intelligence and prevention of terrorist
acts for a period of time to be determined by the President, including,
but not limited to, rights to political protest. I agree that the
Judicial and Legislative branches should be allowed no oversight of
these activities, and that such oversight merely emboldens the
terrorists.
I also agree that virtually all of these activities may be conducted
in complete secrecy and that revelation of these activities amounts to
treasonous behavior on the part of those who reveal these activities to
the press and the citizenry.
3. Finally, this document is my statement that I believe the President
of the United States and the entire executive branch, as well as all
departments and agencies involved, as well as all of its personnel,
will treat these powers I have granted them with utmost respect. I
believe that these powers will not be abused, nor will any of the
information I have given them permission to examine be misinterpreted.
However, should such abuse or misinterpretation occur, I agree that
such actions are mere errors and that no one involved in such actions
should be subject to investigation, arrest, or employment action as a
result.
My consent freely given,
(Your signature)
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| Re: Alexander Siddig (DS9's Doctor Bashir) in "Syriana" [message #189945 ] |
Sa, 24 Dezember 2005 06:31 |
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--
Numan
"Johnny Pez" <jpez9 [at] localnet.com> wrote in message
news:1135308157.870151.185770 [at] g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Numan wrote:
>>
>> Mr. Pez,
>>
>> Who exactly are you talking about? Who isn't getting due process
>> or civil liberties? Americans? Enemy combatants? Who is doing
>> something illegal? Bring your proof. Real proof, not your radical,
>> left-wing propaganda.
>>
>> America comes first, in my book, because I am American.
>> We SHOULD do whatever it takes to keep ourselves safe.
>> Any country should. I don't mind wiretaps, etc. because I
>> have nothing to hide sums it up for me. People like you fall
>> all over yourselves doing illogical things that will help our
>> enemies hurt us.
>>
>> If blond haired, blue eyed people were trying to kill
>> everyone who doesn't share their views on religion by
>> using bombs, etc. I would expect to watched as a possible
>> subject. That is logical. But people like you don't use
>> logic. And it is a shame.
>
> Okay, I freely admit that your raving is much better than mine, but,
> c'mon, I think mine was pretty good for a first effort. Btw (if you
> don't mind me briefly dragging this thread back on-topic), were you
> quoting Gul Dukat? I distinctly remember Dukat saying something very
> much like that in some episode of DS9 or other. "Waltz", maybe? Can
> anyone out there help me? Assuming anyone else is still following this
> thread.
>
> One last thing: a blogger called The Rude Pundit has come up with a
> contract agreeing to the forfeiture of various civil liberties, and
> he's trying to get as many conservatives as possible to sign it and
> mail it to the White House as a gesture of solidarity. If you happen
> to know any real-life right-wing nutcases, could you please pass it
> along and ask them to participate? Thanks.
>
> I (the undersigned) believe President George W. Bush when he says that
> the United States of America is fighting "a new kind of enemy" that
> requires "new thinking" about how to wage war. Therefore, as a loyal
> citizen of President Bush's United States, my signature below
> indicates my agreement to the following:
>
> 1. I believe wholeheartedly in the USA PATRIOT Act as initially passed
> by Congress in 2001, as well as the provisions of the Domestic Security
> Enhancement Act. Therefore, I grant the FBI access to:
> a. my library records, so it may determine if I am reading material
> that might designate me an enemy of the nation;
> b. my financial records, including credit reports, so it may determine
> if I am contributing monetarily to any governmentally proscribed
> activities or organizations;
> c. my medical records, so it may determine if my prescriptions,
> injuries, or other conditions are indicative of terrorist activity on
> my part; and
> d. any and all other personal records including, but not limited to,
> my store purchases, my school records, my web browsing history, and
> anything else determined as a "tangible thing" necessary to engage in a
> secret investigation of me.
>
> I agree that I do not need to be notified if my records have come under
> scrutiny by the FBI, and, furthermore, I agree that no warrant is
> needed for the FBI to engage in this examination of my personal
> records. Additionally, I agree that the FBI should be allowed to
> monitor any groups it believes may be linked to what it determines to
> be terrorist activity.
>
> 2. I believe that the President of the United States has the power to
> mitigate any and all laws passed by the Congress and that he has such
> power granted to him by his Constitutional status as Commander-in-Chief
> as well as the 2001 Authorization of Military Force, passed by the
> Congress, which states that the President can use "all necessary and
> appropriate force" in prosecution of the war. Therefore, I grant the
> United States government the following powers: a. that the National
> Security Agency, under the direction of the President, may tap my phone
> lines and intercept my e-mail without warrant or FISA oversight;
> b. that the President may hold me or other detainees without access to
> the legal system for a period of time to be determined by the President
> or his agents;
> c. that the President may authorize physical force against me or other
> individual detainees in order to gain intelligence and that he may
> define whether such physical force may be called "torture"; and
> d. that the President may set aside any and all laws he sees as
> hindering the gathering of intelligence and prevention of terrorist
> acts for a period of time to be determined by the President, including,
> but not limited to, rights to political protest. I agree that the
> Judicial and Legislative branches should be allowed no oversight of
> these activities, and that such oversight merely emboldens the
> terrorists.
>
> I also agree that virtually all of these activities may be conducted
> in complete secrecy and that revelation of these activities amounts to
> treasonous behavior on the part of those who reveal these activities to
> the press and the citizenry.
>
> 3. Finally, this document is my statement that I believe the President
> of the United States and the entire executive branch, as well as all
> departments and agencies involved, as well as all of its personnel,
> will treat these powers I have granted them with utmost respect. I
> believe that these powers will not be abused, nor will any of the
> information I have given them permission to examine be misinterpreted.
> However, should such abuse or misinterpretation occur, I agree that
> such actions are mere errors and that no one involved in such actions
> should be subject to investigation, arrest, or employment action as a
> result.
>
> My consent freely given,
> (Your signature)
So, basically you can't argue points with me so you stoop to being
a smartass hack. Pity. That is really lame.
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