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Science Fiction » alt.startrek » Stargate vs Star Trek
Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1203] So, 10 April 2005 06:59
Sci Fi King  
Better characters- Stargate.
Better tv episodes- Stargate
Better set and effects- Stargate
Better movies- Star Trek
Never thought I'd see the day but Star Trek is no longer the top dog when it
comes to Sci-Fi.
Winner by a knockout, Stargate.
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1205 ] So, 10 April 2005 07:06
I Caught Kate  
Sci Fi King wrote:
>
> Better characters- Stargate.
> Better tv episodes- Stargate
> Better set and effects- Stargate
> Better movies- Star Trek
> Never thought I'd see the day but Star Trek is no longer the top dog when it
> comes to Sci-Fi.
> Winner by a knockout, Stargate.



And Stargate never relies on technobabble made up solutions to problems
like Star Trek.

There's no "reverse the polarity" to save the day in Stargate because
people can sometimes die on this show unlike Trek
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1206 ] So, 10 April 2005 08:55
In Through The Out Do  
Hmm, 9 movies, 4 series spanning a life of 24 years on television
collectively, a plethora of books and a few audio and stage spin-offs? With
all respect, I'll leave Stargate to their fans. I'll take Star Trek any day.
Besides, I believe that the real top dogs in the Science Fiction medium at
this moment are Battlestar Galactica and Star Wars, not to mention that The
Matrix kicked down many doors of obstacles in it's own right. All in my most
humble opinion.

ITTOD


"Sci Fi King" <HeadNerd [at] scififreak.com> wrote in message
news:4258b264_1 [at] x-privat.org...
> Better characters- Stargate.
> Better tv episodes- Stargate
> Better set and effects- Stargate
> Better movies- Star Trek
> Never thought I'd see the day but Star Trek is no longer the top dog when
> it
> comes to Sci-Fi.
> Winner by a knockout, Stargate.
>
>
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1207 ] So, 10 April 2005 09:11
The Video Poker King  
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 00:59:39 -0400, "Sci Fi King"
<HeadNerd [at] scififreak.com> wrote:

>Winner by a knockout, Stargate.

Stargate is aok and much better than the film that spawned it. It is
a smart and well done show, and the best SF on tv today, though I
enjoy BSG2005 a lot, too.

That being said, when it comes to first class SF on tv, I have to give
the nod to our last best hope for peace, the story of the last of the
Babylon stations.

The year is 2258, and the name of the place is Babylon 5! ;-)
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1209 ] So, 10 April 2005 09:45
Starshine Moonbeam  
In article <J546e.21273$DW.7376 [at] newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>, In Through
The Out Door (zwebz [at] hotmail.com) dropped a +5 bundle of words...

> Hmm, 9 movies, 4 series spanning a life of 24 years on television
> collectively, a plethora of books and a few audio and stage spin-offs? With
> all respect, I'll leave Stargate to their fans. I'll take Star Trek any day.
> Besides, I believe that the real top dogs in the Science Fiction medium at
> this moment are Battlestar Galactica and Star Wars, not to mention that The
> Matrix kicked down many doors of obstacles in it's own right.

Too bad it sucked royally.

> All in my most
> humble opinion.
>
> ITTOD
>
>
> "Sci Fi King" <HeadNerd [at] scififreak.com> wrote in message
> news:4258b264_1 [at] x-privat.org...
> > Better characters- Stargate.
> > Better tv episodes- Stargate
> > Better set and effects- Stargate
> > Better movies- Star Trek
> > Never thought I'd see the day but Star Trek is no longer the top dog when
> > it
> > comes to Sci-Fi.
> > Winner by a knockout, Stargate.
> >
> >
>
>
>

--
Starshine Moonbeam
mhm31x9 Smeeter#29 WSD#30
sTaRShInE_mOOnBeAm aT HoTmAil dOt CoM
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1211 ] So, 10 April 2005 11:26
Adrian Ng  
"Sci Fi King" <HeadNerd [at] scififreak.com> wrote in message
news:4258b264_1 [at] x-privat.org...
> Better characters- Stargate.
> Better tv episodes- Stargate
> Better set and effects- Stargate
> Better movies- Star Trek
> Never thought I'd see the day but Star Trek is no longer the top dog when
> it
> comes to Sci-Fi.
> Winner by a knockout, Stargate.
>
>

Can you please back up your statements with reasons?
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1213 ] So, 10 April 2005 14:35
Evil Sideshow Bob  
"Sci Fi King" <HeadNerd [at] scififreak.com>, sometimes I doubt your
commitment to Sparkle Motion!

>Winner by a knockout, Stargate.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA~!


ESB
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA~!




--

We're adding a little something to this month's sales contest. As you all know,
first prize is a Cadillac Eldorado. Anybody want to see second prize? Second
prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired.
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1214 ] So, 10 April 2005 15:02
kathryn  
"Sci Fi King" <HeadNerd [at] scififreak.com> wrote in message
news:4258b264_1 [at] x-privat.org...
> Better characters- Stargate.
> Better tv episodes- Stargate
> Better set and effects- Stargate
> Better movies- Star Trek
> Never thought I'd see the day but Star Trek is no longer the top dog when
> it
> comes to Sci-Fi.
> Winner by a knockout, Stargate.
>


You know it is possible to like both

It's possible to like all sci fi
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1215 ] So, 10 April 2005 15:09
Whitey McBallz  
Star Trek TNG rules all. End of thread for I am always correct.




"Sci Fi King" <HeadNerd [at] scififreak.com> wrote in message
news:4258b264_1 [at] x-privat.org...
> Better characters- Stargate.
> Better tv episodes- Stargate
> Better set and effects- Stargate
> Better movies- Star Trek
> Never thought I'd see the day but Star Trek is no longer the top dog when
> it
> comes to Sci-Fi.
> Winner by a knockout, Stargate.
>
>
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1216 ] So, 10 April 2005 15:51
SyVyN11  
"I Caught Kate" <sittinginthepool [at] internode.on.net> wrote in message
news:4258B455.EA2D77A6 [at] internode.on.net...
> Sci Fi King wrote:
>>
>> Better characters- Stargate.
>> Better tv episodes- Stargate
>> Better set and effects- Stargate
>> Better movies- Star Trek
>> Never thought I'd see the day but Star Trek is no longer the top dog when
>> it
>> comes to Sci-Fi.
>> Winner by a knockout, Stargate.
>
>
>
> And Stargate never relies on technobabble made up solutions to problems
> like Star Trek.
>
> There's no "reverse the polarity" to save the day in Stargate because
> people can sometimes die on this show unlike Trek

And in a 1000 years, I can never picture Picard say to a Commanding Officer
"bite me!"
>
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1217 ] So, 10 April 2005 15:55
Smart Ape - 5th KORSP  
"I Caught Kate" <sittinginthepool [at] internode.on.net> wrote in message
news:4258B455.EA2D77A6 [at] internode.on.net...
> Sci Fi King wrote:
>>
>> Better characters- Stargate.
>> Better tv episodes- Stargate
>> Better set and effects- Stargate
>> Better movies- Star Trek
>> Never thought I'd see the day but Star Trek is no longer the top dog when
>> it
>> comes to Sci-Fi.
>> Winner by a knockout, Stargate.
>
> And Stargate never relies on technobabble made up solutions to problems
> like Star Trek.

You never saw DS9, TOS or Eneterprise have you?
--
--- "Damn dirty fleas..."
--- "Ever notice that at the start of a cartoon, Casper has no friends, and
by the end, he has
some. Yet, in the next cartoon, he's friendless again? Therefore, I think
Casper is a
soul-sucking-vampire-ghost."
--- Proud loser of TWO 2004 RSPW Poster Awards
--- Space (Animal) Hero #1 of the 1950's and 60's
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1218 ] So, 10 April 2005 15:58
Smart Ape - 5th KORSP  
"Sci Fi King" <HeadNerd [at] scififreak.com> wrote in message
news:4258b264_1 [at] x-privat.org...
> Better characters- Stargate.

So in ALL of Star Trek Stargate has better characters?
Yeah. That's why Daniel Jackson is such a pop culture icon!! Forget Spock,
Kirk, and Data!

> Better tv episodes- Stargate

'The City on the Edge of Forever' and 'The Inner Light' suck!

> Better set and effects- Stargate

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
All Voyager and Enterprise had going for them is their FX (well, at least
until Paramount cut the current show's budget last year)
Plus, the sets for the Enterprise is one of the best sets on TV.

> Better movies- Star Trek
> Never thought I'd see the day but Star Trek is no longer the top dog when
> it
> comes to Sci-Fi.
> Winner by a knockout, Stargate.

I hope you're talking about Enterprise, and not Star Trek as a whole,
because otherwise you'd be dead wrong.
--
--- "Damn dirty fleas..."
--- "Ever notice that at the start of a cartoon, Casper has no friends, and
by the end, he has
some. Yet, in the next cartoon, he's friendless again? Therefore, I think
Casper is a
soul-sucking-vampire-ghost."
--- Proud loser of TWO 2004 RSPW Poster Awards
--- Space (Animal) Hero #1 of the 1950's and 60's
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1219 ] So, 10 April 2005 16:34
Benjamin Pavsner  
Well, agree with ya on Star Trek not being the top sci fi dog, but it's been
that way since Babylon 5, which I always believed was pretty much DS9 done
the way it SHOULD have been done.
"Sci Fi King" <HeadNerd [at] scififreak.com> wrote in message
news:4258b264_1 [at] x-privat.org...
> Better characters- Stargate.
> Better tv episodes- Stargate
> Better set and effects- Stargate
> Better movies- Star Trek
> Never thought I'd see the day but Star Trek is no longer the top dog when
it
> comes to Sci-Fi.
> Winner by a knockout, Stargate.
>
>
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1222 ] So, 10 April 2005 16:53
DW  
Sci Fi King wrote:
> Better characters- Stargate.
> Better tv episodes- Stargate
> Better set and effects- Stargate
> Better movies- Star Trek
> Never thought I'd see the day but Star Trek is no longer the top dog
when it
> comes to Sci-Fi.
> Winner by a knockout, Stargate.
Comparing apples and oranges. ST:TOS was the best, then Stargate:
SG1.
ST:NG ST:DS9 and ST:E all sucked as did all the movies except ST
2:TWOK
and ST4.

When it came to the movies ST was never really top dog......that would
be Star Wars.

The worst ST movies? Anything directed by Shatner. ("Why does God
need
a Star ship?")
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1223 ] So, 10 April 2005 17:07
DW  
In Through The Out Door wrote:
> Hmm, 9 movies, 4 series spanning a life of 24 years on television
> collectively, a plethora of books and a few audio and stage
spin-offs? With
> all respect, I'll leave Stargate to their fans. I'll take Star Trek
any day.
Let me put it this way. I first watched Star Trek back in the 60s
when the
first episode of ST:TOS premiered. Coming on 40 years later I have to
say
BB and RB took a vibrant series created by Roddenberry and drove it
right
into the ground.

I loved ST:TOS, ST:E ST:TNG and ST:DS9 were less than stellar, and most
of the movies sucked. Only exception ST2 and ST4. Want to know
what ST:DS9 should have been? It was called Babylon 5.

I love Stargate SG1, once Roddenberry died no Star Trek endeavor ever
really approached Stargate SG1 in quality.

After seeing every incarnation of Trek, from ST:TOS to ST:E, read all
the books, gone to many a convention, etc. I have to say RB and BB have
successfully caused Star Trek to crash and burn. They succeeded in
doing
what Paramount tried to do with ST:TMP.
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1224 ] So, 10 April 2005 17:12
DW  
I Caught Kate wrote:
> There's no "reverse the polarity" to save the day in Stargate because
> people can sometimes die on this show unlike Trek
Go back and watch Trek again. Pay particular attention to the
expendable crew members that beam down to the planet.

Also I suppose you missed the part where Spock dies in ST:TWOK?

Or when Kirk dies later in the movie series?
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1225 ] So, 10 April 2005 17:16
DW  
The Video Poker King wrote:
> The year is 2258, and the name of the place is Babylon 5! ;-)
That would be a great idea for them to do as a series.
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1226 ] So, 10 April 2005 17:21
DW  
>You know it is possible to like both
Was until BB and RB drove the franchise into the ground.

I loved Star Trek until Roddenberry died.

Then BB and RB trashed it.
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1227 ] So, 10 April 2005 17:22
DW  
Whitey McBallz wrote:
> Star Trek TNG rules all. End of thread for I am always correct.
ST: TNG was love boat in space. ST:TOS was the best.
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1229 ] So, 10 April 2005 17:42
Sci Fi King  
"I Caught Kate" <sittinginthepool [at] internode.on.net> wrote in message
news:4258B455.EA2D77A6 [at] internode.on.net...
> Sci Fi King wrote:
> >
> > Better characters- Stargate.
> > Better tv episodes- Stargate
> > Better set and effects- Stargate
> > Better movies- Star Trek
> > Never thought I'd see the day but Star Trek is no longer the top dog
when it
> > comes to Sci-Fi.
> > Winner by a knockout, Stargate.
>
>
>
> And Stargate never relies on technobabble made up solutions to problems
> like Star Trek.
>
> There's no "reverse the polarity" to save the day in Stargate because
> people can sometimes die on this show unlike Trek

What's worse is that even when they do "die" on Star Trek they find a way to
come back to life because the fans can't handle it. Pathetic.

>
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1230 ] So, 10 April 2005 17:44
Sci Fi King  
"In Through The Out Door" <zwebz [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:J546e.21273$DW.7376 [at] newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
> Hmm, 9 movies, 4 series spanning a life of 24 years on television
> collectively, a plethora of books and a few audio and stage spin-offs?
With
> all respect, I'll leave Stargate to their fans. I'll take Star Trek any
day.
> Besides, I believe that the real top dogs in the Science Fiction medium at
> this moment are Battlestar Galactica and Star Wars, not to mention that
The
> Matrix kicked down many doors of obstacles in it's own right. All in my
most
> humble opinion.

Your opinions are shit. Star Wars blows.
>
> ITTOD
>
>
> "Sci Fi King" <HeadNerd [at] scififreak.com> wrote in message
> news:4258b264_1 [at] x-privat.org...
> > Better characters- Stargate.
> > Better tv episodes- Stargate
> > Better set and effects- Stargate
> > Better movies- Star Trek
> > Never thought I'd see the day but Star Trek is no longer the top dog
when
> > it
> > comes to Sci-Fi.
> > Winner by a knockout, Stargate.
> >
> >
>
>
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1231 ] So, 10 April 2005 17:45
Sci Fi King  
"Adrian Ng" <spam.ng [at] btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:d3arfh$j2v$1 [at] hercules.btinternet.com...
>
> "Sci Fi King" <HeadNerd [at] scififreak.com> wrote in message
> news:4258b264_1 [at] x-privat.org...
> > Better characters- Stargate.
> > Better tv episodes- Stargate
> > Better set and effects- Stargate
> > Better movies- Star Trek
> > Never thought I'd see the day but Star Trek is no longer the top dog
when
> > it
> > comes to Sci-Fi.
> > Winner by a knockout, Stargate.
> >
> >
>
> Can you please back up your statements with reasons?

Yeah, PLONK
>
>
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1232 ] So, 10 April 2005 17:47
Sci Fi King  
"kathryn" <bob [at] bobbybobbobthebobster.com> wrote in message
news:d3b85g$afg$1 [at] hercules.btinternet.com...
>
> "Sci Fi King" <HeadNerd [at] scififreak.com> wrote in message
> news:4258b264_1 [at] x-privat.org...
> > Better characters- Stargate.
> > Better tv episodes- Stargate
> > Better set and effects- Stargate
> > Better movies- Star Trek
> > Never thought I'd see the day but Star Trek is no longer the top dog
when
> > it
> > comes to Sci-Fi.
> > Winner by a knockout, Stargate.
> >
>
>
> You know it is possible to like both

You may be the one that needs to learn this, I didn't say I didn't like
Trek. Just saying Stargate is better; that has been scientifically proven
and is indisputable.
>
> It's possible to like all sci fi

No.
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1233 ] So, 10 April 2005 17:48
Sci Fi King  
"DW" <DrWoodardOnDS [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1113146567.639239.280550 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Whitey McBallz wrote:
> > Star Trek TNG rules all. End of thread for I am always correct.
> ST: TNG was love boat in space. ST:TOS was the best.

You are correct. The best Trek has to offer is TOS and the war years of DS9.

>
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1234 ] So, 10 April 2005 17:48
whodunit  
DW wrote:
> The Video Poker King wrote:
>
>>The year is 2258, and the name of the place is Babylon 5! ;-)
>
> That would be a great idea for them to do as a series.
>
Or a rock band.
<runs>
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1235 ] So, 10 April 2005 17:50
Sci Fi King  
"Smart Ape - 5th KORSPW Seed" <Zaius [at] POTA.com> wrote in message
news:7ia6e.3956$_N4.35585 [at] wagner.videotron.net...
> "Sci Fi King" <HeadNerd [at] scififreak.com> wrote in message
> news:4258b264_1 [at] x-privat.org...
> > Better characters- Stargate.
>
> So in ALL of Star Trek Stargate has better characters?
> Yeah. That's why Daniel Jackson is such a pop culture icon!! Forget Spock,
> Kirk, and Data!

Pop culture? You think Star Trek is pop culture? LMFAO. Big difference
between pop culture and a cult audience of freaks. Star Trek has nothing to
do with pop culture whatsoever. It's the antithesis of pop culture. You need
a reality check and quick.
>
> > Better tv episodes- Stargate
>
> 'The City on the Edge of Forever' and 'The Inner Light' suck!
>
> > Better set and effects- Stargate
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
> All Voyager and Enterprise had going for them is their FX (well, at least
> until Paramount cut the current show's budget last year)
> Plus, the sets for the Enterprise is one of the best sets on TV.
>
> > Better movies- Star Trek
> > Never thought I'd see the day but Star Trek is no longer the top dog
when
> > it
> > comes to Sci-Fi.
> > Winner by a knockout, Stargate.
>
> I hope you're talking about Enterprise, and not Star Trek as a whole,
> because otherwise you'd be dead wrong.
> --
> --- "Damn dirty fleas..."
> --- "Ever notice that at the start of a cartoon, Casper has no friends,
and
> by the end, he has
> some. Yet, in the next cartoon, he's friendless again? Therefore, I think
> Casper is a
> soul-sucking-vampire-ghost."
> --- Proud loser of TWO 2004 RSPW Poster Awards
> --- Space (Animal) Hero #1 of the 1950's and 60's
>
>
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1237 ] So, 10 April 2005 18:07
kathryn  
"Sci Fi King" <Royalty [at] scifiking.com> wrote in message
news:42594a3b_2 [at] x-privat.org...
>
> "kathryn" <bob [at] bobbybobbobthebobster.com> wrote in message
> news:d3b85g$afg$1 [at] hercules.btinternet.com...
>>
>> "Sci Fi King" <HeadNerd [at] scififreak.com> wrote in message
>> news:4258b264_1 [at] x-privat.org...
>> > Better characters- Stargate.
>> > Better tv episodes- Stargate
>> > Better set and effects- Stargate
>> > Better movies- Star Trek
>> > Never thought I'd see the day but Star Trek is no longer the top dog
> when
>> > it
>> > comes to Sci-Fi.
>> > Winner by a knockout, Stargate.
>> >
>>
>>
>> You know it is possible to like both
>
> You may be the one that needs to learn this, I didn't say I didn't like
> Trek. Just saying Stargate is better; that has been scientifically proven
> and is indisputable.

Please for every argument of why stargate is better there's a counter
argument for why star trek is better, it has sod all to do with science and
everything to do with personal opinion.

>>
>> It's possible to like all sci fi
>
> No.
>

Grow up
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1238 ] So, 10 April 2005 18:22
David_Powell3006  
Sci Fi King wrote:
> "In Through The Out Door" <zwebz [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:J546e.21273$DW.7376 [at] newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
> > Hmm, 9 movies, 4 series spanning a life of 24 years on television
> > collectively, a plethora of books and a few audio and stage
spin-offs?
> With
> > all respect, I'll leave Stargate to their fans. I'll take Star Trek
any
> day.
> > Besides, I believe that the real top dogs in the Science Fiction
medium at
> > this moment are Battlestar Galactica and Star Wars, not to mention
that
> The
> > Matrix kicked down many doors of obstacles in it's own right. All
in my
> most
> > humble opinion.
>
> Your opinions are shit. Star Wars blows.

Check the box office, dude. That's the first thing anyone in Hollywood
would check. By that standard at least Star Wars owns EVERYONE.

BSG is making the most noise in TV land right now, and a SW TV series
has been rumored. If one comes off, I guarantee it will make a heck of
a lot more noise in the press and the public consciousness than SG1 or
Atlantis is doing, whatever happens. No dis on Stargate, but SW is the
"gold standard" (literally) for producers and financiers right now.

> > ITTOD
> >
> >
> > "Sci Fi King" <HeadNerd [at] scififreak.com> wrote in message
> > news:4258b264_1 [at] x-privat.org...
> > > Better characters- Stargate.
> > > Better tv episodes- Stargate
> > > Better set and effects- Stargate
> > > Better movies- Star Trek
> > > Never thought I'd see the day but Star Trek is no longer the top
dog
> when
> > > it
> > > comes to Sci-Fi.
> > > Winner by a knockout, Stargate.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1239 ] So, 10 April 2005 18:34
David_Powell3006  
Sci Fi King wrote:
> "Smart Ape - 5th KORSPW Seed" <Zaius [at] POTA.com> wrote in message
> news:7ia6e.3956$_N4.35585 [at] wagner.videotron.net...
> > "Sci Fi King" <HeadNerd [at] scififreak.com> wrote in message
> > news:4258b264_1 [at] x-privat.org...
> > > Better characters- Stargate.
> >
> > So in ALL of Star Trek Stargate has better characters?
> > Yeah. That's why Daniel Jackson is such a pop culture icon!! Forget
Spock,
> > Kirk, and Data!
>
> Pop culture? You think Star Trek is pop culture? LMFAO. Big
difference
> between pop culture and a cult audience of freaks. Star Trek has
nothing to
> do with pop culture whatsoever. It's the antithesis of pop culture.
You need
> a reality check and quick.

Tell you what. Watch a week or so of the Tonight show, the Letterman
show, and Staurday Night Live. See what gets more references: Star Trek
or Stargate. It's going to be Star Trek, easily. Leno does them all the
time.

That will answer your question of which is "out there" more. Heck, in
2000, Leno did a "Klingon Rite of Succession" skit after the end of the
election contest in Florida. How many times will you see "Stargate,"
the movie or either show, mentioned when a cast member is not a guest
on a talk show? ST references happen all the time.

That's the definition of pop culture references. You are comparing a
couple syndicated shows and one movie to the cultural impact of ST's
shows and films over almost forty years. That's not going to work out
for you.

> > > Better tv episodes- Stargate
> >
> > 'The City on the Edge of Forever' and 'The Inner Light' suck!
> >
> > > Better set and effects- Stargate
> >
> > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
> > All Voyager and Enterprise had going for them is their FX (well, at
least
> > until Paramount cut the current show's budget last year)
> > Plus, the sets for the Enterprise is one of the best sets on TV.
> >
> > > Better movies- Star Trek
> > > Never thought I'd see the day but Star Trek is no longer the top
dog
> when
> > > it
> > > comes to Sci-Fi.
> > > Winner by a knockout, Stargate.
> >
> > I hope you're talking about Enterprise, and not Star Trek as a
whole,
> > because otherwise you'd be dead wrong.

Or Voyager. I notice that the guy didn't respond to this part.

> > --
> > --- "Damn dirty fleas..."
> > --- "Ever notice that at the start of a cartoon, Casper has no
friends,
> and
> > by the end, he has
> > some. Yet, in the next cartoon, he's friendless again? Therefore, I
think
> > Casper is a
> > soul-sucking-vampire-ghost."
> > --- Proud loser of TWO 2004 RSPW Poster Awards
> > --- Space (Animal) Hero #1 of the 1950's and 60's
> >
> >
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1241 ] So, 10 April 2005 18:45
The Great EZE  
The first four season of Andromeda runs-in and kicks both their asses.

End Of Thread
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1242 ] So, 10 April 2005 19:04
Rob Browning  
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 00:59:39 -0400, "Sci Fi King"
<HeadNerd [at] scififreak.com> wrote:

>Better characters- Stargate.
>Better tv episodes- Stargate
>Better set and effects- Stargate
>Better movies- Star Trek
>Never thought I'd see the day but Star Trek is no longer the top dog when it
>comes to Sci-Fi.
>Winner by a knockout, Stargate.

Great, the troll's moved on to fanboyism. I was getting tired of
political debate. Unfortunately I don't know anything about Stargate
beyond the crappy movie, so I probably won't be able to add to this.

Rob
ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR [at] charter.net

--

Owner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly
because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from.

Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as
a good day on AGFF without JT bashing!

Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc

"The way he talked about the game actually made it sound fun.
Unfortunately he sort of glossed over the fact that the majority of
the time you’ll spend _playing_ Everquest consists of camping the
same spot for hours on end so you can get some rare item that isn’t
so rare anymore because everybody in the fucking game has it by the
time you get to the front of the line. It got to the point where
lines started to form so you could kill the monster and rape his
corpse for some stupid gem or weapon. But what the hell else was I
going to do during my summer vacation? Get a summer job and acquire
some sort of life experience that would have prepared me for the real
world after high school and possibly raise my level of maturity? Ha!
I wouldn’t be writing for this web site if I had done that."
--Spokker Jones, Something Awful 4-3-05
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1243 ] So, 10 April 2005 19:01
David_Powell3006  
Sci Fi King wrote:
> "I Caught Kate" <sittinginthepool [at] internode.on.net> wrote in message
> news:4258B455.EA2D77A6 [at] internode.on.net...
> > Sci Fi King wrote:
> > >
> > > Better characters- Stargate.
> > > Better tv episodes- Stargate
> > > Better set and effects- Stargate
> > > Better movies- Star Trek
> > > Never thought I'd see the day but Star Trek is no longer the top
dog
> when it
> > > comes to Sci-Fi.
> > > Winner by a knockout, Stargate.
> >
> > And Stargate never relies on technobabble made up solutions to
problems
> > like Star Trek.
> >
> > There's no "reverse the polarity" to save the day in Stargate
because
> > people can sometimes die on this show unlike Trek
>
> What's worse is that even when they do "die" on Star Trek they find a
way to
> come back to life because the fans can't handle it. Pathetic.

Of course there probably would never have been a StarGate series if ST
hadn't opened the door.

Besides, a lot of redshirts and so forth never came back. In Spock's
case, they made huge $$$$ from it and the character proved a deep
resource for writers down the road. (Especially in ST IV and ST VI)
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1244 ] So, 10 April 2005 19:18
origin  
Hi. This almost sounds like a Xena episode where Xena and Gabrielle won't
stay dead. I lived that show too.

"Sci Fi King" <Royalty [at] scifiking.com> wrote in message
news:42594902$1_1 [at] x-privat.org...
>
> "I Caught Kate" <sittinginthepool [at] internode.on.net> wrote in message
> news:4258B455.EA2D77A6 [at] internode.on.net...
>> Sci Fi King wrote:
>> >
>> > Better characters- Stargate.
>> > Better tv episodes- Stargate
>> > Better set and effects- Stargate
>> > Better movies- Star Trek
>> > Never thought I'd see the day but Star Trek is no longer the top dog
> when it
>> > comes to Sci-Fi.
>> > Winner by a knockout, Stargate.
>>
>>
>>
>> And Stargate never relies on technobabble made up solutions to problems
>> like Star Trek.
>>
>> There's no "reverse the polarity" to save the day in Stargate because
>> people can sometimes die on this show unlike Trek
>
> What's worse is that even when they do "die" on Star Trek they find a way
> to
> come back to life because the fans can't handle it. Pathetic.
>
>>
>
>
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1246 ] So, 10 April 2005 20:09
Rob Browning  
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 06:55:37 GMT, "In Through The Out Door"
<zwebz [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hmm, 9 movies, 4 series spanning a life of 24 years on television

Ten movies and five series. I know you'd like to forget about God
needing a starship and the afterschool special with the Bryan Adams
theme song, but they're still there no matter how much you ignore
them.

>Besides, I believe that the real top dogs in the Science Fiction medium at
>this moment are Battlestar Galactica and Star Wars, not to mention that The

Those aren't even close to being sci-fi, and neither are Stargate or
Star Trek. I think the closest TV and film have come to the genre is
2001: A Space Odyssey, barring some obscure show I don't know about.

At any rate, Battlestar Galactica and Star Wars are certainly the
biggest things in the misnamed "sci-fi" genre right now, but that's
only because there's a new series and a new movie out for them
respectively.

Rob
ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR [at] charter.net

--

Owner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly
because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from.

Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as
a good day on AGFF without JT bashing!

Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc

"The way he talked about the game actually made it sound fun.
Unfortunately he sort of glossed over the fact that the majority of
the time you’ll spend _playing_ Everquest consists of camping the
same spot for hours on end so you can get some rare item that isn’t
so rare anymore because everybody in the fucking game has it by the
time you get to the front of the line. It got to the point where
lines started to form so you could kill the monster and rape his
corpse for some stupid gem or weapon. But what the hell else was I
going to do during my summer vacation? Get a summer job and acquire
some sort of life experience that would have prepared me for the real
world after high school and possibly raise my level of maturity? Ha!
I wouldn’t be writing for this web site if I had done that."
--Spokker Jones, Something Awful 4-3-05
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1247 ] So, 10 April 2005 20:18
Rob Browning  
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:34:00 -0400, "Benjamin Pavsner"
<pavsnerp [at] bellsouth.net> wrote:

>Well, agree with ya on Star Trek not being the top sci fi dog, but it's been
>that way since Babylon 5, which I always believed was pretty much DS9 done
>the way it SHOULD have been done.

It was actually DS9 that duped Babylon 5, not the other way around.
JMS approached Paramount with the idea for his show and Paramount
decided to run with it in their own way.

I personally don't much like either one of them, but it's been a very
long time since I've watched a whole episode of either of them as
well.

Rob
ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR [at] charter.net

--

Owner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly
because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from.

Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as
a good day on AGFF without JT bashing!

Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc

"The way he talked about the game actually made it sound fun.
Unfortunately he sort of glossed over the fact that the majority of
the time you’ll spend _playing_ Everquest consists of camping the
same spot for hours on end so you can get some rare item that isn’t
so rare anymore because everybody in the fucking game has it by the
time you get to the front of the line. It got to the point where
lines started to form so you could kill the monster and rape his
corpse for some stupid gem or weapon. But what the hell else was I
going to do during my summer vacation? Get a summer job and acquire
some sort of life experience that would have prepared me for the real
world after high school and possibly raise my level of maturity? Ha!
I wouldn’t be writing for this web site if I had done that."
--Spokker Jones, Something Awful 4-3-05
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1248 ] So, 10 April 2005 20:20
Rob Browning  
On 10 Apr 2005 07:53:10 -0700, "DW" <DrWoodardOnDS [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

>When it came to the movies ST was never really top dog......that would
>be Star Wars.

The Star Wars movies all suck, especially the new ones. Well, except
for The Empire Strikes Back; that one's always been cool.

Rob
ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR [at] charter.net

--

Owner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly
because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from.

Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as
a good day on AGFF without JT bashing!

Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc

"The way he talked about the game actually made it sound fun.
Unfortunately he sort of glossed over the fact that the majority of
the time you’ll spend _playing_ Everquest consists of camping the
same spot for hours on end so you can get some rare item that isn’t
so rare anymore because everybody in the fucking game has it by the
time you get to the front of the line. It got to the point where
lines started to form so you could kill the monster and rape his
corpse for some stupid gem or weapon. But what the hell else was I
going to do during my summer vacation? Get a summer job and acquire
some sort of life experience that would have prepared me for the real
world after high school and possibly raise my level of maturity? Ha!
I wouldn’t be writing for this web site if I had done that."
--Spokker Jones, Something Awful 4-3-05
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1249 ] So, 10 April 2005 20:29
Rob Browning  
On 10 Apr 2005 08:12:19 -0700, "DW" <DrWoodardOnDS [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>I Caught Kate wrote:
>> There's no "reverse the polarity" to save the day in Stargate because
>> people can sometimes die on this show unlike Trek
>Go back and watch Trek again. Pay particular attention to the
>expendable crew members that beam down to the planet.

He used "people" in the sense that expendable crew-members and other
one-shot characters aren't people.

>Also I suppose you missed the part where Spock dies in ST:TWOK?

And then he came back to life in Star Trek 3.

>Or when Kirk dies later in the movie series?

Only because he'd outlived his usefulness. If they really wanted to
let characters die, then they wouldn't have brought Kirk back for that
movie in the first place. You'd have more of a point if they decided
to kill off Spock for real in one of the newer movies.

BTW, I think they're actually going to leave Data dead since the actor
thinks he's too old for the part now. If they do, it would certainly
be a first.

Rob
ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR [at] charter.net

--

Owner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly
because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from.

Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as
a good day on AGFF without JT bashing!

Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc

"The way he talked about the game actually made it sound fun.
Unfortunately he sort of glossed over the fact that the majority of
the time you’ll spend _playing_ Everquest consists of camping the
same spot for hours on end so you can get some rare item that isn’t
so rare anymore because everybody in the fucking game has it by the
time you get to the front of the line. It got to the point where
lines started to form so you could kill the monster and rape his
corpse for some stupid gem or weapon. But what the hell else was I
going to do during my summer vacation? Get a summer job and acquire
some sort of life experience that would have prepared me for the real
world after high school and possibly raise my level of maturity? Ha!
I wouldn’t be writing for this web site if I had done that."
--Spokker Jones, Something Awful 4-3-05
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1250 ] So, 10 April 2005 20:35
Rob Browning  
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 11:50:45 -0400, "Sci Fi King"
<Royalty [at] scifiking.com> wrote:

>
>"Smart Ape - 5th KORSPW Seed" <Zaius [at] POTA.com> wrote in message
>news:7ia6e.3956$_N4.35585 [at] wagner.videotron.net...
>> "Sci Fi King" <HeadNerd [at] scififreak.com> wrote in message
>> news:4258b264_1 [at] x-privat.org...
>> > Better characters- Stargate.
>>
>> So in ALL of Star Trek Stargate has better characters?
>> Yeah. That's why Daniel Jackson is such a pop culture icon!! Forget Spock,
>> Kirk, and Data!
>
>Pop culture? You think Star Trek is pop culture? LMFAO. Big difference

The original series definitely is. Everybody knows who Kirk and Spock
are even if they've never seen the show or movies once. Of course,
that has nothing to do with which characters are better.

Rob
ploovTeHSPaeMBLoKuR [at] charter.net

--

Owner of 2501 Netstalker Points awarded by Corwin of Amber, mainly
because Atma's just too damn attractive to get away from.

Gave 7499 Netstalker Points to Cypher because there's no such thing as
a good day on AGFF without JT bashing!

Owner of David Watson, rec.arts.anime.misc

"The way he talked about the game actually made it sound fun.
Unfortunately he sort of glossed over the fact that the majority of
the time you’ll spend _playing_ Everquest consists of camping the
same spot for hours on end so you can get some rare item that isn’t
so rare anymore because everybody in the fucking game has it by the
time you get to the front of the line. It got to the point where
lines started to form so you could kill the monster and rape his
corpse for some stupid gem or weapon. But what the hell else was I
going to do during my summer vacation? Get a summer job and acquire
some sort of life experience that would have prepared me for the real
world after high school and possibly raise my level of maturity? Ha!
I wouldn’t be writing for this web site if I had done that."
--Spokker Jones, Something Awful 4-3-05
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1251 ] So, 10 April 2005 20:38
drifter  
Sci Fi King wrote:
> "I Caught Kate" <sittinginthepool [at] internode.on.net> wrote in message
> news:4258B455.EA2D77A6 [at] internode.on.net...
>> Sci Fi King wrote:
>>>
>>> Better characters- Stargate.
>>> Better tv episodes- Stargate
>>> Better set and effects- Stargate
>>> Better movies- Star Trek
>>> Never thought I'd see the day but Star Trek is no longer the top dog
> when it
>>> comes to Sci-Fi.
>>> Winner by a knockout, Stargate.
>>
>>
>>
>> And Stargate never relies on technobabble made up solutions to
>> problems like Star Trek.
>>
>> There's no "reverse the polarity" to save the day in Stargate because
>> people can sometimes die on this show unlike Trek

Kinda makes ya wonder why they don't just run their polarity
backwards in the first place.

> What's worse is that even when they do "die" on Star Trek they find a
> way to come back to life because the fans can't handle it. Pathetic.

Daniel who?

--

Kel
"I reject your reality, and substitute my own."
Re: Stargate vs Star Trek [message #1252 ] So, 10 April 2005 20:55
Outrider  
"Sci Fi King" <Royalty [at] scifiking.com> wrote in message
news:42594af5_2 [at] x-privat.org...
>
> "Smart Ape - 5th KORSPW Seed" <Zaius [at] POTA.com> wrote in message
> news:7ia6e.3956$_N4.35585 [at] wagner.videotron.net...
>> "Sci Fi King" <HeadNerd [at] scififreak.com> wrote in message
>> news:4258b264_1 [at] x-privat.org...
>> > Better characters- Stargate.
>>
>> So in ALL of Star Trek Stargate has better characters?
>> Yeah. That's why Daniel Jackson is such a pop culture icon!! Forget
>> Spock,
>> Kirk, and Data!
>
> Pop culture? You think Star Trek is pop culture? LMFAO. Big difference
> between pop culture and a cult audience of freaks. Star Trek has nothing
> to
> do with pop culture whatsoever. It's the antithesis of pop culture. You
> need
> a reality check and quick.

When Stargate gets a Saturday Night Live skit devoted to it, then it can
claim pop culture status. If you say a tag line from your show, like "beam
me up Scotty there is no intelligent life down here" and every one in the
united states knows what you mean, then you qualify as a pop culture icon.
For all Stargates success, it has not achieved that kind of pop culture
identification.

But that does not mean Star Trek was the better show.

Outrider
Vorheriges Thema:Now that small-screen Star Trek is over, anything else good out there?
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