| I still don't understand why they ran... [message #166351] |
Do, 17 November 2005 05:48 |
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And why were the Jedi so easy to take down? Darth Sidious killed all those
jedi "masters" in seconds, and only Samuel L. Motherf***'n Jackson could
hold his own against the old fart. Of course Yoda is a master of the force,
but Windu must have been a better saber combatant. He kicked Palpatine's
ass. But those other guys were shot...shot... by storm troopers... storm
troopers are pathetic. They should have done this better, in my opinion. How
could Anakin and a stream of foot soldiers take out an entire temple of
jedi? I don't buy it.
And why did Yoda and Obi-Wan run away? Did they really plan to saddle all
their problems on Luke's back? It seemed to me the entire IV, V and VI, that
Obi-Wan was just an aging jedi who wanted to saddle the threat of the Empire
on Luke... and after he died, Yoda did the same. These fools couldn't join
Luke? 3 Jedi would be better than 1, I would think. I just don't get it.
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| Re: I still don't understand why they ran... [message #166360 ] |
Do, 17 November 2005 09:06 |
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"Broken Spirit v 2.0" <radiohead3 [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:GYTef.1134$wf.596 [at] newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> And why were the Jedi so easy to take down? Darth Sidious killed all those
> jedi "masters" in seconds, and only Samuel L. Motherf***'n Jackson could
> hold his own against the old fart. Of course Yoda is a master of the
force,
> but Windu must have been a better saber combatant. He kicked Palpatine's
> ass. But those other guys were shot...shot... by storm troopers... storm
> troopers are pathetic. They should have done this better, in my opinion.
How
> could Anakin and a stream of foot soldiers take out an entire temple of
> jedi? I don't buy it.
>
> And why did Yoda and Obi-Wan run away? Did they really plan to saddle all
> their problems on Luke's back? It seemed to me the entire IV, V and VI,
that
> Obi-Wan was just an aging jedi who wanted to saddle the threat of the
Empire
> on Luke... and after he died, Yoda did the same. These fools couldn't join
> Luke? 3 Jedi would be better than 1, I would think. I just don't get it.
>
>
Umm because they weren't all Jedi masters? They were Jedi in training, the
only master there was Windu
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| Re: I still don't understand why they ran... [message #166361 ] |
Do, 17 November 2005 09:58 |
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Absolutely not, they were all on the jedi council as masters...
> Umm because they weren't all Jedi masters? They were Jedi in training, the
> only master there was Windu
>
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| Re: I still don't understand why they ran... [message #166366 ] |
Do, 17 November 2005 20:14 |
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Broken Spirit v 2.0 wrote:
> 3 Jedi would be better than 1, I would think. I just don't get it.
>
Vader facing Obi would have had the same result we saw in Episode IV,
anger, resentment, hatred, and thoughts of redemption and revenge....and
Obi-Wan getting killed. Yoda facing Vader would have meant risking the
life of the one person who could train Luke adequately. Obi couldn't do
it (See: Vader, Darth). Seeing Yoda again would also just bring about bad
feelings for Vader.
Vader's redemption would come from compassion for his son; Luke...which
is why he was the only one who could take on Vader.
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-Grue
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An unbreakable toy is good for breaking other toys.
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| Re: I still don't understand why they ran... [message #166370 ] |
Do, 17 November 2005 23:45 |
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Broken Spirit v 2.0 sez...
> And why were the Jedi so easy to take down?
By Lord Sidious? Yes!
> Darth Sidious killed all those
> jedi "masters" in seconds
That's correct.
> and only Samuel L. Motherf***'n Jackson
> could hold his own against the old fart.
No, he couldn't. Lord Sidious was playing him until Anakin arrived.
Didn't you notice how Lord Sidious was making faces at Mace?
He was making fun of him and you didn't laugh?
I was clapping!!
> Windu must have been a better saber combatant.
Not really. Palpatine gave up his saber for Anakin's rescue.
Besides, Palpatine had plenty of extra sabers waiting.
> He kicked Palpatine's ass.
No he did not.
Palpatine was laughing at him!
...."POWEEER ....... U N L I M I T E D P O W E RRRRRR!! !! !!"
Goodbye.
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=====fish=====
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| Re: I still don't understand why they ran... [message #166372 ] |
Fr, 18 November 2005 00:02 |
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"Broken Spirit v 2.0" <radiohead3 [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:GYTef.1134$wf.596 [at] newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> And why were the Jedi so easy to take down? Darth Sidious killed all those
> jedi "masters" in seconds, and only Samuel L. Motherf***'n Jackson could
> hold his own against the old fart. Of course Yoda is a master of the
force,
> but Windu must have been a better saber combatant. He kicked Palpatine's
> ass. But those other guys were shot...shot... by storm troopers... storm
> troopers are pathetic. They should have done this better, in my opinion.
How
> could Anakin and a stream of foot soldiers take out an entire temple of
> jedi? I don't buy it.
>
> And why did Yoda and Obi-Wan run away? Did they really plan to saddle all
> their problems on Luke's back? It seemed to me the entire IV, V and VI,
that
> Obi-Wan was just an aging jedi who wanted to saddle the threat of the
Empire
> on Luke... and after he died, Yoda did the same. These fools couldn't join
> Luke? 3 Jedi would be better than 1, I would think. I just don't get it.
>
>
Yeah the storm troopers have always been pathetic shots..even if Obi Wan
said in the original Star Wars that the "blast points were too accurate to
be Sandpeople,only imperial stormtroopers...". Maybe they can only shoot
accurately when the camera isnt on them ;-). My question of the day is was
there a reason the Stormtroopers never spoke a word in the Empire strikes
back? In the original Star Wars they talked about everything as can be seen
when Obi Wan is deactivating the death stars tractor beam.....
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| Re: I still don't understand why they ran... [message #166383 ] |
Fr, 18 November 2005 03:21 |
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Obi wan just gave up and let Vader kill him, and made sure Luke was watching
when it happened. It was if he was giving Luke even more reason to want
revenge on Vader... and if Yoda was too weak to destroy Vader or the
Emperor, then he has no right to call himself a master of anything but
dying.
I'm sorry but your reasons are weak. Neither Yoda or Obi Wan knew that Vader
was going to kill the Emperor. They sent luke to kill both the Emperor and
Vader, when neither one of them could have done it. That's really pathetic.
> Vader facing Obi would have had the same result we saw in Episode IV,
> anger, resentment, hatred, and thoughts of redemption and revenge....and
> Obi-Wan getting killed. Yoda facing Vader would have meant risking the
> life of the one person who could train Luke adequately. Obi couldn't do
> it (See: Vader, Darth). Seeing Yoda again would also just bring about bad
> feelings for Vader.
>
> Vader's redemption would come from compassion for his son; Luke...which
> is why he was the only one who could take on Vader.
>
> --
> -Grue
> ------------------------------------------------------------ -------
> An unbreakable toy is good for breaking other toys.
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| Re: I still don't understand why they ran... [message #166384 ] |
Fr, 18 November 2005 03:23 |
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Maybe you are right. I thought those faces he was making were faces of
passion or something, Ian's unique acting. He looked constipated to me.
> Broken Spirit v 2.0 sez...
>
>> And why were the Jedi so easy to take down?
>
> By Lord Sidious? Yes!
>
>> Darth Sidious killed all those
>> jedi "masters" in seconds
>
> That's correct.
>
>> and only Samuel L. Motherf***'n Jackson
>> could hold his own against the old fart.
>
> No, he couldn't. Lord Sidious was playing him until Anakin arrived.
>
> Didn't you notice how Lord Sidious was making faces at Mace?
>
> He was making fun of him and you didn't laugh?
>
> I was clapping!!
>
>
>> Windu must have been a better saber combatant.
>
> Not really. Palpatine gave up his saber for Anakin's rescue.
> Besides, Palpatine had plenty of extra sabers waiting.
>
>> He kicked Palpatine's ass.
>
> No he did not.
> Palpatine was laughing at him!
>
> ..."POWEEER ....... U N L I M I T E D P O W E RRRRRR!! !! !!"
>
> Goodbye.
>
> --
> ______________
> =====fish=====
>
>
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| Re: I still don't understand why they ran... [message #166385 ] |
Fr, 18 November 2005 03:24 |
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My guess is that George just came up with the idea that they were clones
when he made the prequels, much the same way that he just suddenly decided
that the force was actually a bacteria called Midichlorians.
> Yeah the storm troopers have always been pathetic shots..even if Obi Wan
> said in the original Star Wars that the "blast points were too accurate to
> be Sandpeople,only imperial stormtroopers...". Maybe they can only shoot
> accurately when the camera isnt on them ;-). My question of the day is
> was
> there a reason the Stormtroopers never spoke a word in the Empire strikes
> back? In the original Star Wars they talked about everything as can be
> seen
> when Obi Wan is deactivating the death stars tractor beam.....
>
>
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| Re: I still don't understand why they ran... [message #166389 ] |
Fr, 18 November 2005 04:29 |
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"Broken Spirit v 2.0" <radiohead3 [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:KXaff.9780$2y.6948 [at] newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> much the same way that he just suddenly decided
> that the force was actually a bacteria called Midichlorians.
That's a stretch..... he was (for right or wrong) trying to explain that
this advanced galaxy had found a way to measure the "native force ability"
of individuals and use this Midichlorian thingie to explain it. I see it as
more analgious to our science finding a way to test and quantify ESP
potential in different humans.
I mean some people seem to really have a "gift" in that area, and we all
have seen at least a flash or two of strange pre-cognition or stealing a
thought before someone else says it. What if a test for a certain parasite
or "bacteria" proves to explain the reason for the vast disparity of
individuals of our species varied and unpredictable ability to seemingly to
"bend the rules" once in a while? We've all seen "strange shit" once in a
while and kinda shrug it off as an anomaly. What if "strange shit" could be
measured, predicted, and nurtured?
I'm not saying Lucas hit a home run here... but I think I know what he was
shooting at.
-W
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| Re: I still don't understand why they ran... [message #166390 ] |
Fr, 18 November 2005 04:47 |
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I find it to be crap for a few reasons... one, since you had an army of
cloned soldiers, why not an army of cloned and programmed (absolutely no
free will, mind you) SITH!? And would not a blood transfusion instantly
grant a "normal" person the force?
And as far as paranormal actvity goes... well... I have experienced quite a
bit of deja vu in my life... sometimes I feel like I've lived this exact
life many times... maybe I have. Maybe this is hell and there is no
escape...
> That's a stretch..... he was (for right or wrong) trying to explain that
> this advanced galaxy had found a way to measure the "native force ability"
> of individuals and use this Midichlorian thingie to explain it. I see it
> as
> more analgious to our science finding a way to test and quantify ESP
> potential in different humans.
>
> I mean some people seem to really have a "gift" in that area, and we all
> have seen at least a flash or two of strange pre-cognition or stealing a
> thought before someone else says it. What if a test for a certain
> parasite
> or "bacteria" proves to explain the reason for the vast disparity of
> individuals of our species varied and unpredictable ability to seemingly
> to
> "bend the rules" once in a while? We've all seen "strange shit" once in a
> while and kinda shrug it off as an anomaly. What if "strange shit" could
> be
> measured, predicted, and nurtured?
>
> I'm not saying Lucas hit a home run here... but I think I know what he was
> shooting at.
>
> -W
>
>
>
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| Re: I still don't understand why they ran... [message #166401 ] |
Fr, 18 November 2005 12:01 |
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Broken Spirit v 2.0 wrote:
> I find it to be crap for a few reasons... one, since you had an army of
> cloned soldiers, why not an army of cloned and programmed (absolutely no
> free will, mind you) SITH!?
Might take longer to train.
Besides the Sith have apparently already been through this before and
decided that the only way for them to survive was to limit their
numbers.
> And would not a blood transfusion instantly
> grant a "normal" person the force?
Good question.
This is hinted at in one of the Visionaries stories, in which Dooku
gives Grievous a shot of Sifo-Dyas' blood, presumably with the hope of
infusing him with some force ability/sensitivity. Apparently this was
not successful, as all other descriptions of Grievous mention nothing
about any force powers.
Perhaps the transfusion didn't work for Grievous because most of his
body was by then mechanical. But how about an organic?
I would guess that transfusions alone won't make you force sensitive.
If they did, beings with high-midichlorian counts would be forced to
live lives of seclusion to hide themselves from all kinds of
bounty-hunters and blood-harvesters.
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| Re: I still don't understand why they ran... [message #166402 ] |
Fr, 18 November 2005 12:04 |
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Clams Canino wrote:
> "Broken Spirit v 2.0" <radiohead3 [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:KXaff.9780$2y.6948 [at] newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> > much the same way that he just suddenly decided
> > that the force was actually a bacteria called Midichlorians.
>
> That's a stretch..... he was (for right or wrong) trying to explain that
> this advanced galaxy had found a way to measure the "native force ability"
> of individuals and use this Midichlorian thingie to explain it.
It also seems likely that he introduced the midi's as a way to explain
how a Sith could create human life (eg, Anakin).
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Sa, 19 November 2005 01:05 |
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Which was never confirmed. And why would they choose a slave woman on a
desert planet?
> It also seems likely that he introduced the midi's as a way to explain
> how a Sith could create human life (eg, Anakin).
>
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| Re: I still don't understand why they ran... [message #166420 ] |
Sa, 19 November 2005 04:25 |
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> And would not a blood transfusion instantly grant a "normal" person the
> force?
Not neccessarly, the Midichlorian live in all the cells.
DKM
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| Re: I still don't understand why they ran... [message #166421 ] |
Sa, 19 November 2005 05:42 |
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>
> > It also seems likely that he introduced the midi's as a way to explain
> > how a Sith could create human life (eg, Anakin).
> >
>
> Which was never confirmed.
Not in the films, at least.
> And why would they choose a slave woman on a
> desert planet?
A slave on a backwater planet outside the borders of the Republic seems
as good a choice as any for conducting an experiment and keeping it
hidden.
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| Re: I still don't understand why they ran... [message #166423 ] |
Sa, 19 November 2005 06:22 |
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Yoda and Obi knew that Anakin/Vader would indeed bring balance to the
force. They saw it, and if they didn't Qui-Gon told them as he trained
them in the ways of the force.
Obi knew Vader was alive during the years he watched over Luke. Afterall
he knew what "Imperial Stormtroppers" were. Of course he must of known
of the guys who ran the show -Vader/Palp.
He was prepairing for that final showdown with Vader for years. They did
not put all their problems on Luke. It was Luke's destiny, the very
reason for being born, the way the force wanted it to be.
Qui-Gon truly believed that Anakin/Vader would make things right. He
made Yoda and Obi into believers even when they had doubt. I mean, he
did come back from the dead, so maybe, just maybe the guy did know a few
things Yoda and Obi didn't?
How did Yoda knew of Vader and what happened during ANH? Qui-Gon told
him of course. he had contact with noone, not even Obi yet when he
trained Luke in ESB, he knew Vader was alive.
After Obi's death, he continued to inform Yoda on what happened. So as
far as them putting all the problems on Luke is not true.
Obi let Vader kill him, because he knew thats was destiny meant it to
be. He was tired of all the fighting and killing, and did it to help
Luke escape.
If you believe the "Will of the force" is silly, then why on earth do
you even discuss Star Wars, you can not win with not believing it. In
the storyline, the force controls all and the will of the force will be
done. No questions asked, no answer to good or bad.
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| Re: I still don't understand why they ran... [message #166424 ] |
Sa, 19 November 2005 07:19 |
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"Broken Spirit v 2.0" <radiohead3 [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:GYTef.1134$wf.596 [at] newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> And why were the Jedi so easy to take down? Darth Sidious killed all those
> jedi "masters" in seconds, and only Samuel L. Motherf***'n Jackson could
> hold his own against the old fart. Of course Yoda is a master of the
> force, but Windu must have been a better saber combatant. He kicked
> Palpatine's ass.
None of them expected Palpatine to put up much resistance, let alone to get
all dark side on their ass. Windu was able to hold his own because, well,
he's Mace Windu, BadAss.
But those other guys were shot...shot... by storm troopers... storm
> troopers are pathetic. They should have done this better, in my opinion.
> How could Anakin and a stream of foot soldiers take out an entire temple
> of jedi? I don't buy it.
>
Most of the Jedi who were killed by clone troopers had just finished (or
were still in the middle of) major battles, and would have been exhausted
and not at their best. And at the temple it was mostly younglings; any Jedi
knights still there were overwhelmed by sheer force of numbers.
B.
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| Re: I still don't understand why they ran... [message #172106 ] |
Do, 24 November 2005 11:52 |
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>>And why were the Jedi so easy to take down? Darth Sidious killed all those
jedi "masters" in seconds, and only Samuel L. Motherf***'n Jackson could
hold his own against the old fart. --- But those other guys were
shot...shot... by storm troopers... --- How could Anakin and a stream of
foot soldiers take out an entire temple of jedi? I don't buy it.
As Yoda would point out that a Jedi can see the past, present, and the
future, but the Dark Side clouds the ability to see the future well. So all
the Jedi could never see that they were going to be killed by the Emperor
and the Clone Troopers.
When the ‘Order 66’ order was given at that time and the Clone Troopers
turned on their Jedi leaders, the Jedi were taken by surprise. They were not
expecting it. They were too late to recover from their surprise and
therefore too late to react. The same is for the Temple of Jedi, beside, a
few Jedi could have recovered from their surprise and started fighting back,
but there the damage was done. Too many Jedi dead and therefore they were
outnumbered.
Thankfully Yoda was able to sense the deaths of other Jedi and was able to
finally put 2 and 2 together and snap! He finally had it all figured out in
time to fight back against the two Clones that tried to kill him.
That is the whole point of why the military (real life military) like to do
things fast and by surprise. The enemy taken surprise would waste a few
seconds recovering and figuring out what is going on. Those few seconds is
all that is needed for the attack to work.
>>And why did Yoda and Obi-Wan run away? Did they really plan to saddle all
their problems on Luke's back? It seemed to me the entire IV, V and VI, that
Obi-Wan was just an aging jedi who wanted to saddle the threat of the Empire
on Luke... and after he died, Yoda did the same. These fools couldn't join
Luke? 3 Jedi would be better than 1, I would think. I just don't get it.
They [Yoda and Obi-Wan] did try to fight back but they failed. So they
needed to pull out and rethink their plans. Maybe they became aware of the
fact that the birth of Anakin’s son would turn everything around. Maybe they
knew that somehow Luke fighting against his father would be more effect than
either Yoda or Obi-Wan on their own or together against Vader. (Beside they
are getting old.) It could be that Vader could not bring to kill Luke which
gives Luke an advantage.
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