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Science Fiction » alt.fan.starwars » New Questions Arise After Watching Ep. I - VI
New Questions Arise After Watching Ep. I - VI [message #166331] Mi, 16 November 2005 21:25
beetlegum  
Now that the saga is complete, I watched all 6 films in order. I
wanted to see if the prequels fit seemlessly with the original trilogy.
For the most part, they do, but I found some questions:

1. In Episode V, Obi-wan tells Luke that he was trained by Yoda. I
thought Qui-Gonn was Obi-wan's teacher?


2. In Episode VI, Luke asks Leia if she remembers her mother. Leia
says that she remembers bits and pieces of her, but her mother died
when she was young. In ROTS, we see that Leia's mother died during
childbirth. How could Leia remember anything about her mother?
Re: New Questions Arise After Watching Ep. I - VI [message #166332 ] Mi, 16 November 2005 21:52
Solon  
_beetlegum_ spoke thusly:
> Now that the saga is complete, I watched all 6 films in order. I
> wanted to see if the prequels fit seemlessly with the original trilogy.
> For the most part, they do, but I found some questions:
>
> 1. In Episode V, Obi-wan tells Luke that he was trained by Yoda. I
> thought Qui-Gonn was Obi-wan's teacher?
>
>
> 2. In Episode VI, Luke asks Leia if she remembers her mother. Leia
> says that she remembers bits and pieces of her, but her mother died
> when she was young. In ROTS, we see that Leia's mother died during
> childbirth. How could Leia remember anything about her mother?

Both of these questions are answered in the alt.fan.starwars FAQ.
See http://afssmugglersalliance.tripod.com/afs_faq.html

(Karrde: could you /please/ put anchors on each answer, so we can
provide direct links to each answer.)
--
usenetsolon [at] gmail.com
Re: New Questions Arise After Watching Ep. I - VI [message #166334 ] Do, 17 November 2005 00:03
RobMac  
Both points have been covered in this forum ad nauseum, but here's my
answer....

"beetlegum" <alvinstraight38 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132172724.463035.215440 [at] g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Now that the saga is complete, I watched all 6 films in order. I
> wanted to see if the prequels fit seemlessly with the original trilogy.
> For the most part, they do, but I found some questions:
>
> 1. In Episode V, Obi-wan tells Luke that he was trained by Yoda. I
> thought Qui-Gonn was Obi-wan's teacher?

While Qui-Gon was Obi-Wan's "Master" (Obi was Qui-Gon's "Padawan"), Yoda is
shown in Episode II as being the general first Teacher to the younglings.
It's shown that Yoda teaches the basics of being a Jedi but then a Master
takes an apprentice to sharpen / hone those skills to become a Knight. So
what Obi-Wan told Luke was true...."from a certain point of view".

> 2. In Episode VI, Luke asks Leia if she remembers her mother. Leia
> says that she remembers bits and pieces of her, but her mother died
> when she was young. In ROTS, we see that Leia's mother died during
> childbirth. How could Leia remember anything about her mother.

Luke : Do you remember your mother? Your REAL mother?
Leia : Just a little bit. She died when I was very young.
Luke : What do you remember?
Leia : Just images, really. Feelings.

Now, Padme is shown in Episode III to have a Force connection to Anakin
(take the intercuts just before Anakin sets off after Mace's showdown with
Palpatine, and as Padme is giving birth there's an obvious connection to
Anakin as he's being rebuilt, again shown with the intercuts) so Padme is
Force Sensitive at the very least. Assuming Leia is also Force Sensitive
(why should Luke have inherited all the good Jedi powers?) then she "feels"
that her mother died when very young (at birth is very young!), or was told
by the Organa's, and that she only remembers "images" and "feelings".....as
if she knows without really knowing (as she knows Luke is her brother
without really knowing until he says the words). People seem to think "very
young" means Leia was like 4 or 5 before going off to live with the Organas
as her foster parents.

Sure, you could say it's a stretch, but is it any more of a stretch than
anything else in the SW universe? Besides, with The Force anything is
possible :-)



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Re: New Questions Arise After Watching Ep. I - VI [message #166343 ] Do, 17 November 2005 02:21
Everyperson  
"beetlegum" <alvinstraight38 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132172724.463035.215440 [at] g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Now that the saga is complete, I watched all 6 films in order. I
> wanted to see if the prequels fit seemlessly with the original trilogy.
> For the most part, they do, but I found some questions:
>
> 1. In Episode V, Obi-wan tells Luke that he was trained by Yoda. I
> thought Qui-Gonn was Obi-wan's teacher?
>
>

INSTRUCTED

> 2. In Episode VI, Luke asks Leia if she remembers her mother. Leia
> says that she remembers bits and pieces of her, but her mother died
> when she was young. In ROTS, we see that Leia's mother died during
> childbirth. How could Leia remember anything about her mother?
>


Here we go again...
Re: New Questions Arise After Watching Ep. I - VI [message #166344 ] Do, 17 November 2005 02:22
Everyperson  
"RobMac" <rpmccartney [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132182352_1096 [at] spool1-east.superfeed.net...
> Both points have been covered in this forum ad nauseum, but here's my
> answer....
>
> "beetlegum" <alvinstraight38 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1132172724.463035.215440 [at] g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Now that the saga is complete, I watched all 6 films in order. I
>> wanted to see if the prequels fit seemlessly with the original trilogy.
>> For the most part, they do, but I found some questions:
>>
>> 1. In Episode V, Obi-wan tells Luke that he was trained by Yoda. I
>> thought Qui-Gonn was Obi-wan's teacher?
>
> While Qui-Gon was Obi-Wan's "Master" (Obi was Qui-Gon's "Padawan"), Yoda
> is shown in Episode II as being the general first Teacher to the
> younglings. It's shown that Yoda teaches the basics of being a Jedi but
> then a Master takes an apprentice to sharpen / hone those skills to become
> a Knight. So what Obi-Wan told Luke was true...."from a certain point of
> view".
>
>> 2. In Episode VI, Luke asks Leia if she remembers her mother. Leia
>> says that she remembers bits and pieces of her, but her mother died
>> when she was young. In ROTS, we see that Leia's mother died during
>> childbirth. How could Leia remember anything about her mother.
>
> Luke : Do you remember your mother? Your REAL mother?
> Leia : Just a little bit. She died when I was very young.
> Luke : What do you remember?
> Leia : Just images, really. Feelings.
>
> Now, Padme is shown in Episode III to have a Force connection to Anakin
> (take the intercuts just before Anakin sets off after Mace's showdown with
> Palpatine, and as Padme is giving birth there's an obvious connection to
> Anakin as he's being rebuilt, again shown with the intercuts) so Padme is
> Force Sensitive at the very least. Assuming Leia is also Force Sensitive
> (why should Luke have inherited all the good Jedi powers?) then she
> "feels" that her mother died when very young (at birth is very young!), or
> was told by the Organa's, and that she only remembers "images" and
> "feelings".....as if she knows without really knowing (as she knows Luke
> is her brother without really knowing until he says the words). People
> seem to think "very young" means Leia was like 4 or 5 before going off to
> live with the Organas as her foster parents.
>
> Sure, you could say it's a stretch, but is it any more of a stretch than
> anything else in the SW universe? Besides, with The Force anything is
> possible :-)

Also, she must have asked her step-parents about her mother. They could have
been vague with their answers as not to let her know about Vader.
Re: New Questions Arise After Watching Ep. I - VI [message #166353 ] Do, 17 November 2005 06:55
Simmie Simmerson  
> 2. In Episode VI, Luke asks Leia if she remembers her mother. Leia
> says that she remembers bits and pieces of her, but her mother died
> when she was young. In ROTS, we see that Leia's mother died during
> childbirth. How could Leia remember anything about her mother?
>

Perhaps she was talking about her foster mother? She was adopted by Senator
Bail Organa and his wife.
Re: New Questions Arise After Watching Ep. I - VI [message #166354 ] Do, 17 November 2005 06:57
Simmie Simmerson  
Um, as I understand it, she never knew Padme was her real mother... she
thought Bail Organa was her real father, so I imagine she thought his wife
was her real mother...

> Also, she must have asked her step-parents about her mother. They could
> have been vague with their answers as not to let her know about Vader.
>
Re: New Questions Arise After Watching Ep. I - VI [message #166358 ] Do, 17 November 2005 07:19
Solon  
_Broken Spirit v 2.0_ spoke thusly:
> Um, as I understand it, she never knew Padme was her real mother... she
> thought Bail Organa was her real father, so I imagine she thought his wife
> was her real mother...

Where did you get a crazy idea, like that? When Luke asks her about her
mother, he emphasizes, "Your REAL mother."
"Do you remember your mother? Your REAL mother?"
--
usenetsolon [at] gmail.com
Re: New Questions Arise After Watching Ep. I - VI [message #166362 ] Do, 17 November 2005 10:00
Simmie Simmerson  
Did she know she was adopted? I guess the movies never told. She referred to
Bail Organa as her father, not her adopted father. I assume she thought Miss
Organa was her real mother.

> Where did you get a crazy idea, like that? When Luke asks her about her
> mother, he emphasizes, "Your REAL mother."
> "Do you remember your mother? Your REAL mother?"
> --
> usenetsolon [at] gmail.com
Re: New Questions Arise After Watching Ep. I - VI [message #166363 ] Do, 17 November 2005 12:03
Andrew Murray  
She must have....

In the same way she had "somehow always known" that Luke was her brother.

Jedi insight serves her well!



"Broken Spirit v 2.0" <radiohead3 [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:mEXef.9499$2y.9492 [at] newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Did she know she was adopted? I guess the movies never told. She referred
> to Bail Organa as her father, not her adopted father. I assume she thought
> Miss Organa was her real mother.
>
>> Where did you get a crazy idea, like that? When Luke asks her about her
>> mother, he emphasizes, "Your REAL mother."
>> "Do you remember your mother? Your REAL mother?"
>> --
>> usenetsolon [at] gmail.com
>
>
Re: New Questions Arise After Watching Ep. I - VI [message #166364 ] Do, 17 November 2005 12:04
Andrew Murray  
"Broken Spirit v 2.0" <radiohead3 [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:PXUef.1428$N45.675 [at] newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>> 2. In Episode VI, Luke asks Leia if she remembers her mother. Leia
>> says that she remembers bits and pieces of her, but her mother died
>> when she was young. In ROTS, we see that Leia's mother died during
>> childbirth. How could Leia remember anything about her mother?
>>
>
> Perhaps she was talking about her foster mother? She was adopted by
> Senator Bail Organa and his wife.
No Luke asked about her REAL mother. Since Obiwan has already told Luke
that they were separated at birth to keep them safe from Vader & the
Emperor....so Luke's question is about Padme - their real (biological)
mother.
Re: New Questions Arise After Watching Ep. I - VI [message #166373 ] Fr, 18 November 2005 00:29
Solon  
_Broken Spirit v 2.0_ spoke thusly:
> Did she know she was adopted? I guess the movies never told. She referred to
> Bail Organa as her father, not her adopted father. I assume she thought Miss
> Organa was her real mother.

It's common for adopted children to refer to their adopted parents as
mother and father. Especially if they were adopted right after birth.
--
usenetsolon [at] gmail.com
Re: New Questions Arise After Watching Ep. I - VI [message #166381 ] Fr, 18 November 2005 02:58
RobMac  
"Solon" <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1dCdndVDMbEaj-DenZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d [at] giganews.com...
> _Broken Spirit v 2.0_ spoke thusly:
>> Did she know she was adopted? I guess the movies never told. She referred
>> to Bail Organa as her father, not her adopted father. I assume she
>> thought Miss Organa was her real mother.
>
> It's common for adopted children to refer to their adopted parents as
> mother and father. Especially if they were adopted right after birth.
> --
> usenetsolon [at] gmail.com

I'm adopted and I've never said in idle conversation "So, I'm talking with
my mother, my adoptive mother, not my REAL mother...."....it just doesn't
happen.

There's no way to know for certain if Leia knew if Bail's wife was her real
mother or not, but Leia must have had an inkling because she doesn't recoil
at Luke asking about her "real" mother.....



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Re: New Questions Arise After Watching Ep. I - VI [message #166386 ] Fr, 18 November 2005 03:25
Simmie Simmerson  
That is weak.

> She must have....
>
> In the same way she had "somehow always known" that Luke was her brother.
>
> Jedi insight serves her well!
>
Re: New Questions Arise After Watching Ep. I - VI [message #166387 ] Fr, 18 November 2005 03:27
Simmie Simmerson  
Well let's say you were adopted and no one ever told you, and you
thought--you KNEW--that your adopted parents were actually your parents, and
someone asked you if you remember your REAL mother... would you be unfazed
and say, ohhhh... I'm adopted? Well I guess I remember her...

> No Luke asked about her REAL mother. Since Obiwan has already told Luke
> that they were separated at birth to keep them safe from Vader & the
> Emperor....so Luke's question is about Padme - their real (biological)
> mother.
>
>
Re: New Questions Arise After Watching Ep. I - VI [message #166419 ] Sa, 19 November 2005 04:18
DKM  
"Broken Spirit v 2.0" <radiohead3 [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:8_aff.9783$2y.1803 [at] newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Well let's say you were adopted and no one ever told you, and you
> thought--you KNEW--that your adopted parents were actually your parents,
> and someone asked you if you remember your REAL mother... would you be
> unfazed and say, ohhhh... I'm adopted? Well I guess I remember her...
>

Lucas has stated that he wanted one of the twins to remember their mother
and early EU even has Padme' going to hide on Alderaan.. It just didn't
work for the movie.

I personally believe that Lucas didn't explain it and basically gave the
"fans" the finger because of how much complaining was going on before the
movie ever came out.

DKM
Re: New Questions Arise After Watching Ep. I - VI [message #166425 ] Sa, 19 November 2005 07:23
Richmond  
And hey, why didn't Uncle Owen recognize the droids?

B.

*sigh*

"beetlegum" <alvinstraight38 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132172724.463035.215440 [at] g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Now that the saga is complete, I watched all 6 films in order. I
> wanted to see if the prequels fit seemlessly with the original trilogy.
> For the most part, they do, but I found some questions:
>
> 1. In Episode V, Obi-wan tells Luke that he was trained by Yoda. I
> thought Qui-Gonn was Obi-wan's teacher?
>
>
> 2. In Episode VI, Luke asks Leia if she remembers her mother. Leia
> says that she remembers bits and pieces of her, but her mother died
> when she was young. In ROTS, we see that Leia's mother died during
> childbirth. How could Leia remember anything about her mother?
>
Re: New Questions Arise After Watching Ep. I - VI [message #166426 ] Sa, 19 November 2005 07:27
Clams Canino  
Heh....

-W

"Richmond" <rsbowen [at] telus.net> wrote in message
news:axzff.149919$Io.31698 [at] clgrps13...
> And hey, why didn't Uncle Owen recognize the droids?
>
> B.
>
> *sigh*
>
> "beetlegum" <alvinstraight38 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1132172724.463035.215440 [at] g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Now that the saga is complete, I watched all 6 films in order. I
> > wanted to see if the prequels fit seemlessly with the original trilogy.
> > For the most part, they do, but I found some questions:
> >
> > 1. In Episode V, Obi-wan tells Luke that he was trained by Yoda. I
> > thought Qui-Gonn was Obi-wan's teacher?
> >
> >
> > 2. In Episode VI, Luke asks Leia if she remembers her mother. Leia
> > says that she remembers bits and pieces of her, but her mother died
> > when she was young. In ROTS, we see that Leia's mother died during
> > childbirth. How could Leia remember anything about her mother?
> >
>
>
Re: New Questions Arise After Watching Ep. I - VI [message #172030 ] Di, 22 November 2005 08:30
Karrde  
"Solon" <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:aJWdnZUtT_6GAebenZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d [at] giganews.com...

> Both of these questions are answered in the alt.fan.starwars FAQ.
> See http://afssmugglersalliance.tripod.com/afs_faq.html
>
> (Karrde: could you /please/ put anchors on each answer, so we can provide
> direct links to each answer.)

It's a good idea and one that I plan to do at some point. As an upstanding
member of the community *cough cough* and father of three rowdy boys, time
is often short, but keep reminding me every couple of weeks and I'll
eventually get there.

--
--K
http://afssmugglersalliance.tripod.com/afs_faq.html

Current Action Figure Count: 1246
Re: New Questions Arise After Watching Ep. I - VI [message #172054 ] Mi, 23 November 2005 02:51
bruno  
Broken Spirit v 2.0 wrote:
> Um, as I understand it, she never knew Padme was her real mother... she
> thought Bail Organa was her real father, so I imagine she thought his wife
> was her real mother...
>

Quoting starwars.com:

"It was common knowledge throughout the court that Leia was adopted
into the Royal Family[...]"

If everybody else in Alderaan knew Leia was not Bail's biological
daughter, chances are Leia probably knew that as well. Besides, I would
assume Bail would tell Leia she had been adopted (as most adoptive
parents do). If Leia were curious about the identity of her biological
parents, Bail could simply lie about them (like Uncle Owen did in
Luke's case) or pretend he didn't know who they were.


> > Also, she must have asked her step-parents about her mother. They could
> > have been vague with their answers as not to let her know about Vader.
> >
Re: New Questions Arise After Watching Ep. I - VI [message #172111 ] Do, 24 November 2005 19:42
The Bandsaw Vigilante  
DKM wrote:
> "Broken Spirit v 2.0" <radiohead3 [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:8_aff.9783$2y.1803 [at] newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> > Well let's say you were adopted and no one ever told you, and you
> > thought--you KNEW--that your adopted parents were actually your parents,
> > and someone asked you if you remember your REAL mother... would you be
> > unfazed and say, ohhhh... I'm adopted? Well I guess I remember her...
> >
>
> Lucas has stated that he wanted one of the twins to remember their mother
> and early EU even has Padme' going to hide on Alderaan.. It just didn't
> work for the movie.
>
> I personally believe that Lucas didn't explain it and basically gave the
> "fans" the finger because of how much complaining was going on before the
> movie ever came out.
>
> DKM

Incorrect on that one bit -- the Expanded Universe never established
one thing or another on Padm=E9's ultimate fate; remember that Lucas
expressly forbade any exploration of the story of Anakin's wife, this
being one of the areas he'd be covering in the next movies.
Re: New Questions Arise After Watching Ep. I - VI [message #174263 ] Sa, 26 November 2005 06:53
Solon  
_Karrde_ spoke thusly:
> "Solon" <usenetsolon [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:aJWdnZUtT_6GAebenZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d [at] giganews.com...
>
>> See http://afssmugglersalliance.tripod.com/afs_faq.html
>>
>> (Karrde: could you /please/ put anchors on each answer, so we can provide
>> direct links to each answer.)
>
> It's a good idea and one that I plan to do at some point. As an upstanding
> member of the community *cough cough* and father of three rowdy boys, time
> is often short, but keep reminding me every couple of weeks and I'll
> eventually get there.

I had some time: http://ilias.ca/asf_faq/
--
usenetsolon [at] gmail.com
Re: New Questions Arise After Watching Ep. I - VI [message #174282 ] Sa, 26 November 2005 20:35
DKM  
The Bandsaw Vigilante wrote:

> DKM wrote:
>>
> > Lucas has stated that he wanted one of the twins to remember their moth=
er
> > and early EU even has Padme' going to hide on Alderaan.. It just didn't
> > work for the movie.
> >
> > I personally believe that Lucas didn't explain it and basically gave the
> > "fans" the finger because of how much complaining was going on before t=
he
> > movie ever came out.
> >
> > DKM
>
> Incorrect on that one bit -- the Expanded Universe never established
> one thing or another on Padm=E9's ultimate fate; remember that Lucas
> expressly forbade any exploration of the story of Anakin's wife, this
> being one of the areas he'd be covering in the next movies.

You might be correct. It was the Official Starwars databank that had
Padme' going to Alderaan.

DKM
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