| Sauron Defeated/Lost Road Question [message #164876] |
Di, 08 November 2005 21:26 |
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Hi folks,
Is anyone well-informed on the relative chronologies of /The Lost
Road/ and /The Drowning of Anadûnê/ ? Here's my question:
In HoME IX, Part 3, (ii), CRT says: "It will become very evident that
/The Drowning of Anadûnê/ was as closely associated with Part Two of
/The Notion Club Papers/ as was the original /Fall of Númenor/ with
/The Lost Road/." I'm looking and failing to find date references on
the writing of each of these pieces, and I don't own a copy of HoME I
or II to cross-check.
When did JRRT write DA, FN, and LR? Thanks guys!
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- Ciaran
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"To me, that's really exciting. But of course,
I spend a lot of time in dark rooms watching
movies by myself, and have few friends."
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| Re: Sauron Defeated/Lost Road Question [message #164884 ] |
Di, 08 November 2005 23:23 |
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In article <dkr1hu0kds [at] enews3.newsguy.com>, pogues [at] bluefrog.com says...
> Hi folks,
> Is anyone well-informed on the relative chronologies of /The Lost
> Road/ and /The Drowning of Anadûnê/ ? Here's my question:
>
> In HoME IX, Part 3, (ii), CRT says: "It will become very evident that
> /The Drowning of Anadûnê/ was as closely associated with Part Two of
> /The Notion Club Papers/ as was the original /Fall of Númenor/ with
> /The Lost Road/." I'm looking and failing to find date references on
> the writing of each of these pieces, and I don't own a copy of HoME I
> or II to cross-check.
>
> When did JRRT write DA, FN, and LR? Thanks guys!
FN1-ca.1936
LR-ca.1937
FN2-ca.1938
DA-ca.1946
--
Tar-Elenion
He is a warrior, and a spirit of wrath. In every
stroke that he deals he sees the Enemy who long
ago did thee this hurt.
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| Re: Sauron Defeated/Lost Road Question [message #164904 ] |
Do, 10 November 2005 15:01 |
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Tar-Elenion wrote:
> In article <dkr1hu0kds [at] enews3.newsguy.com>, pogues [at] bluefrog.com
> says...
>> When did JRRT write DA, FN, and LR? Thanks guys!
>
> FN1-ca.1936
> LR-ca.1937
> FN2-ca.1938
> DA-ca.1946
Thank you. I'm making myself a matrix, kind of a crib sheet, to keep
track of the various story threads that lead to the Akallabêth. I'm
working backwards from CRT's theory that his father was working out
the 'Mannish tradition' of these tales, which I find fascinating. I
love the idea that JRRT was explicitly creating a Mannish tradition,
an Elvish tradition, and a mixed one.
There's a note to this effect, that JRRT scribbled on the envelope
containing the texts of DA, said note dating from sometime in the
1960s. Which, IIRC, was a period when he was seriously re-working the
mythology and legendarium that was pub'ed as /The Silm./.
FN would then be the Elvish tradition, and the Akallabêth the mixed
one. CRT discusses all this at the end of DA in HoME IX, also citing
/Letters/ #131 to Milton Waldman, which I find one of the more
fascinating letters. That letter dates from 1951, which is the period
of the Notion Club Papers, and of course soon after LoTR was finished.
Of course, now that I've had the thought to make myself a crib sheet,
it's all gotten terribly complicated and out of hand! Because now I
have to work out dates for each tradition separately, and do a
comparison with dates in /The Silm./ and UT. <happy sigh>
What's your opinion on what JRRT calls "the mixed Dúnedanic
tradition": would that be something handed down in Númenorean culture,
drawn from Númenorean and Elvish sources, or would that be a mixture
of Númenorean and other Mannish sources?
- Ciaran
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"It makes you think, doesn't it? -- as those say,
who have never experienced the process."
- JRRT, /The Notion Club Papers/
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