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Zooey and the new movie [message #163857] Di, 08 November 2005 19:31
Vidar  
Ok, all this bashing about the movie, go for it. I enjoyed it for what
it was, different. The books were different from the TV series which
was different from the Radio plays which were different from the North
American novels which were different from the comic books etc...

It goes on and on and on

I didn't think Zaphod was quite Froody enough, but nothing can be done
about that now...

However, I'm absolutely in love with Zooey as Trillian. Damn she's
cute, has the greatest facial expressions and is just....wow.

I now have a new favorite actress....
Re: Zooey and the new movie [message #163875 ] Do, 10 November 2005 19:48
Aquarion  
Take a letter Miss Jones: To Vidar, Zooey and the new movie:
> Ok, all this bashing about the movie, go for it. I enjoyed it for what
> it was, different. The books were different from the TV series which
> was different from the Radio plays which were different from the North
> American novels which were different from the comic books etc...
>
> It goes on and on and on
>
> I didn't think Zaphod was quite Froody enough, but nothing can be done
> about that now...
>
> However, I'm absolutely in love with Zooey as Trillian. Damn she's
> cute, has the greatest facial expressions and is just....wow.
>
> I now have a new favorite actress....

She is the best Trillian, agreed.
The others get the position of second best Zaphod, Third best Ford,
Second best Marvin, Best head-on-legs-person, best Vogons, Best
Heart of Gold, Best Slartibartfast, Second best Deep Thought Voice,
Best Deep Thought Shape, Third and Fourth Best Mice, Most coherant
plotline, Fourth most funny, and a special award for the most
gratuitous use of a narration device as a macguffin in contempary
film.

So, in all, Seven stars out of X, where X is the number of stars
you started with.

--
Aquarion, www.aquarionics.com (Mail to mailinator.com is publicly displayed)
Re: Zooey and the new movie [message #163877 ] Fr, 11 November 2005 02:06
Steve Marshall  
"Aquarion" <aqusenet [at] mailinator.com> wrote


> best Vogons,

Hmm - is that good or bad ?????

> Best Heart of Gold,

Bah !!! It's a sphere. Crap uninteresting shape !

> Best Slartibartfast,

Dont' agree with this either though I think the film did have the best
sequence featuring Slarti

> Second best Deep Thought Voice,

Douglas used to do it well.

> Most coherant plotline,

Funny, a lot of people seemed to have difficulty with some of it.

And where does the whale fit in to your grand scheme of numerical sequencing
???

Steve M
Re: Zooey and the new movie [message #163878 ] Fr, 11 November 2005 03:34
Vidar  
>>And where does the whale fit in to your grand scheme of numerical sequencing


I put the whale a close second. It was good up until the point it said
"Hello Ground"....
Re: Zooey and the new movie [message #163880 ] Fr, 11 November 2005 10:34
Dave Adalian  
"Aquarion" <aqusenet [at] mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:slrndn75ga.6t9.aqusenet [at] mirage.local...

> She is the best Trillian, agreed.
> The others get the position of second best Zaphod, Third best Ford,
> Second best Marvin, Best head-on-legs-person, best Vogons, Best
> Heart of Gold, Best Slartibartfast, Second best Deep Thought Voice,
> Best Deep Thought Shape, Third and Fourth Best Mice, Most coherant
> plotline, Fourth most funny, and a special award for the most
> gratuitous use of a narration device as a macguffin in contempary
> film.
>

Much better Heart of Gold than the TV series, especially the mural recording
the discovery of the infinite improbability drive with Douglas in it. I
like the movie's Marvin costume better, but I would rather have had the
classic voice coming out of it, not that I didn't like Rickman's portrail,
just not quite Marvinish enough.

-- Dave
http://starry-starry-nights.blogspot.com/> --
Re: Zooey and the new movie [message #163881 ] Fr, 11 November 2005 13:51
Vidar  
>>Much better Heart of Gold than the TV series, especially the mural recording
>>the discovery of the infinite improbability drive with Douglas in it.

I liked that when I saw the pictures of it. However, I never saw it
clear enough in the movie. However, the end scene when they have DNA's
face was nice..
Re: Zooey and the new movie [message #166542 ] Fr, 11 November 2005 09:27
Aquarion  
Take a letter Miss Jones: To Steve Marshall, Re: Zooey and the new movie:
>
> "Aquarion" <aqusenet [at] mailinator.com> wrote
>
>
>> best Vogons,
>
> Hmm - is that good or bad ?????

Good.

>> Best Heart of Gold,
>
> Bah !!! It's a sphere. Crap uninteresting shape !

But it was a wooly sphere, and a flowey sphere, and...

>> Best Slartibartfast,
>
> Dont' agree with this either though I think the film did have the best
> sequence featuring Slarti
>
>> Second best Deep Thought Voice,
>
> Douglas used to do it well.

Indeed.

>> Most coherant plotline,
>
> Funny, a lot of people seemed to have difficulty with some of it.

Yeah, I disagree with them.

> And where does the whale fit in to your grand scheme of numerical sequencing
> ???

Best voice, most out of place sequence. I've never liked the whale sequence.

Your post gets most question marks, though.>


--
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Re: Zooey and the new movie [message #166543 ] Fr, 11 November 2005 19:25
Tian  
Aquarion wrote:
> Take a letter Miss Jones: To Vidar, Zooey and the new movie:
>
>>Ok, all this bashing about the movie, go for it. I enjoyed it for what
>>it was, different. The books were different from the TV series which
>>was different from the Radio plays which were different from the North
>>American novels which were different from the comic books etc...
>>
>>It goes on and on and on
>>
>>I didn't think Zaphod was quite Froody enough, but nothing can be done
>>about that now...
>>
>>However, I'm absolutely in love with Zooey as Trillian. Damn she's
>>cute, has the greatest facial expressions and is just....wow.
>>
>>I now have a new favorite actress....
>
>
> She is the best Trillian, agreed.
> The others get the position of second best Zaphod, Third best Ford,
> Second best Marvin, Best head-on-legs-person, best Vogons, Best
> Heart of Gold, Best Slartibartfast, Second best Deep Thought Voice,
> Best Deep Thought Shape, Third and Fourth Best Mice, Most coherant
> plotline, Fourth most funny, and a special award for the most
> gratuitous use of a narration device as a macguffin in contempary
> film.
>
> So, in all, Seven stars out of X, where X is the number of stars
> you started with.
>

Yeah? Well I think the froupophonic production has the best delays....
--
Tian
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State Capitol's West Steps as part of a First Amendment thing.
Yesterday I went to Peter Drekmeier's election night party in
Palo Alto after putting my pictures of Sherry on my website.
Before that, I was voter #147 when I voted across the street.
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Re: Zooey and the new movie [message #166545 ] Fr, 11 November 2005 20:25
Bondee  
"Aquarion" <aqusenet [at] mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:slrndn8lfg.6t9.aqusenet [at] mirage.local...
> Take a letter Miss Jones: To Steve Marshall, Re: Zooey and the new movie:
> >
> >> Best Heart of Gold,
> >
> > Bah !!! It's a sphere. Crap uninteresting shape !
>
> But it was a wooly sphere, and a flowey sphere, and...

It's a teapot, isn't it?
Re: Zooey and the new movie [message #166546 ] Fr, 11 November 2005 21:47
Dave Adalian  
"Tian" <DontBeFuelish [at] aol.com85032583> wrote in message
news:dl2nmu$7q7$3 [at] domitilla.aioe.org...
>
> Yeah? Well I think the froupophonic production has the best delays....

I like to think of them as dramatic pauses. Very dramatic pauses.

-- Dave
http://starry-starry-nights.blogspot.com/
Re: Zooey and the new movie [message #166548 ] Sa, 12 November 2005 00:19
afda  
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:47:46 -0800, "Dave Adalian" <dpalta AT
comcast.net> wrote:

>"Tian" <DontBeFuelish [at] aol.com85032583> wrote in message
>news:dl2nmu$7q7$3 [at] domitilla.aioe.org...
>>
>> Yeah? Well I think the froupophonic production has the best delays....
>
>I like to think of them as dramatic pauses. Very dramatic pauses.

Very dramatic,
Very pauses.

Lloyd
--
"In fact, everything between 'herring' and 'marmalade'
appears to be missing" -- Svlad Cjelli
Re: Zooey and the new movie [message #166550 ] Sa, 12 November 2005 01:43
Steve Marshall  
"Aquarion" <aqusenet [at] mailinator.com> wrote

> >> Best Heart of Gold,
> >
> > Bah !!! It's a sphere. Crap uninteresting shape !
>
> But it was a wooly sphere, and a flowey sphere, and...

But it isn't meant to be a transmogrifying machine. Heart of Gold was
supposed to be a to-die-for gleeming white spaceship - not a big ball.

> Best voice, most out of place sequence. I've never liked the whale
sequence.

OIf course it's out of place. You don't normally get whales opping into
existance over ficticious planets, do you now ?


> Your post gets most question marks, though.>

Hurray ! Do I win something ???
(There I go again !)

Steve M
Re: Zooey and the new movie [message #166551 ] Sa, 12 November 2005 01:49
Steve Marshall  
"Dave Adalian" <dpalta AT comcast.net> wrote

> Much better Heart of Gold than the TV series,

I think that was a better ship but the lighting adn stuff wasn't as good as
the film so it looked like a Blakes Seven toy hung on wires.

> I
> like the movie's Marvin costume better, but I would rather have had the
> classic voice coming out of it, not that I didn't like Rickman's portrail,
> just not quite Marvinish enough.

'Here I am, brain the size of a planet', didn't mean they had to give him an
enormous round head did it ? I don't think there has been a good Marvin
though the Illustrated book had an interesting version. I was very
disappointed by the TV Marvin but sorta grown fond of it, so it was nice to
see the cameo even though it was not at all subtle in any way what so ever.

Steve M
Re: Zooey and the new movie [message #166552 ] Sa, 12 November 2005 13:08
pippa.moran  
"Steve Marshall" said:
>
> "Aquarion" <aqusenet [at] mailinator.com> wrote
>
>
> > best Vogons,
>
> Hmm - is that good or bad ?????
>
> > Best Heart of Gold,
>
> Bah !!! It's a sphere. Crap uninteresting shape !
>

Perhaps Aquarion meant "Best Heart of Gold Interior"? I should agree
with him about that.
Re: Shape of Heart Of Gold (was: Zooey and the new movie) [message #166560 ] Sa, 12 November 2005 17:43
simon.kempster  
> > > Best Heart of Gold,
> > Bah !!! It's a sphere. Crap uninteresting shape !
> Perhaps Aquarion meant "Best Heart of Gold Interior"? I should agree
> with him about that.

I've always thought that a sphere is the most logical shape for a
spaceship. Anything else is a waste of material and only increases
distances between points. Unfortunately, most film and TV SF couldn't
get out their heads designing spaceship like aircraft, which is
pointless - just look at the way spaceships swoop in Star Trek, instead
of turning on their axis. Babylon 5 did better, but a sphere is still
best, with all the most critical parts in the very middle, protected
equally from all sides. In fact, perfect for the Heart Of Gold.
However, the point above - "crap uninteresting shape" - shows why
designers design things to look good, not function well.

Just my two penn'orth.

Simon Kempster
Re: Zooey and the new movie [message #166562 ] So, 13 November 2005 02:00
Tian  
Lloyd Gilbert wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:47:46 -0800, "Dave Adalian" <dpalta AT
> comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>>"Tian" <DontBeFuelish [at] aol.com85032583> wrote in message
>>news:dl2nmu$7q7$3 [at] domitilla.aioe.org...
>>
>>>Yeah? Well I think the froupophonic production has the best delays....
>>
>>I like to think of them as dramatic pauses. Very dramatic pauses.
>
>
> Very dramatic,
> Very pauses.
>

That's what I meant!

--
Tian
This evening I worked the crowd of protesters outside the
Flint Center, where Colin Powell was the main attraction.
MEND YOUR FUELISH WAYS stickers were popular with protsters.
http://tian.greens.org
Re: Zooey and the new movie [message #166564 ] So, 13 November 2005 07:00
earthnative  
> She is the best Trillian, agreed.

Second best, behind the iHHG[18]

She only beats the comic books due to more 'realism' :)

> The others get the position of second best Zaphod,

Worst. After (in no particular order) the one in the books, the radio
series, the tv series, the comic books, the iHHG, the computer game and
the towel.

> Second best Marvin,

For my taste, third. After TV and comicbooks.

> Best Heart of Gold

iHHG had the HoG perfect. All others are inferior.

(ok, movie had the best HoG *interior* I'll grant you.

> Best Slartibartfast

easily

> So, in all, Seven stars out of X, where X is the number of stars
> you started with.

7 stars, one nova, and a mini black hole special for Zaphod.

:)
..../Nemo


[18] iHHG is what I call the Illustrated HHG, the big shiny hardback
which didn't sell at all well.
Re: Shape of Heart Of Gold [message #166582 ] Mo, 14 November 2005 17:47
Kaare Fiedler Christi  
simon.kempster [at] talk21.com wrote:

<snip>

> I've always thought that a sphere is the most logical shape for a
> spaceship. Anything else is a waste of material and only increases
> distances between points. Unfortunately, most film and TV SF couldn't
> get out their heads designing spaceship like aircraft, which is
> pointless

....unless the spaceship sometimes lands, and thus has to go through
atmospheres, of course.

Best
Kåre
Re: Shape of Heart Of Gold [message #166587 ] Mo, 14 November 2005 20:49
Jan van den Broek  
This may have been mentioned before, but in my opinion the
"Heart of Gold" was a "Cosmic Cutie"-shape.

--
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Re: Shape of Heart Of Gold [message #166594 ] Di, 15 November 2005 15:43
emmel  
On 2005-11-14, Jan van den Broek <fortytwo [at] xs4all.nl> wrote:
> This may have been mentioned before, but in my opinion the
> "Heart of Gold" was a "Cosmic Cutie"-shape.

::unlurks::
Didn't DNA describe it as a sleek running shoe?
::relurks
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Re: Shape of Heart Of Gold [message #166595 ] Di, 15 November 2005 18:25
Kaare Fiedler Christi  
emmel wrote:
> On 2005-11-14, Jan van den Broek <fortytwo [at] xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>>This may have been mentioned before, but in my opinion the
>>"Heart of Gold" was a "Cosmic Cutie"-shape.
>
>
> ::unlurks::
> Didn't DNA describe it as a sleek running shoe?
> ::relurks

First book, chapter 4:

===

Beneath it lay uncovered a huge starship, one hundred and fifty
metres long, shaped like a sleek running shoe, perfectly white
and mindboggingly beautiful. At the heart of it, unseen, lay a
small gold box which carried within it the most brain-wretching
device ever conceived, a device which made this starship unique
in the history of the galaxy, a device after which the ship had
been named - The Heart of Gold.

"Wow", said Zaphod Beeblebrox to the Heart of Gold. There wasn't
much else he could say.

===

Best
Kåre
Re: Shape of Heart Of Gold [message #166599 ] Di, 15 November 2005 21:52
Jan van den Broek  
15 Nov 2005 14:43:50 GMT
emmel <the_emmel*whatever* [at] gmx.net> schrieb:
>On 2005-11-14, Jan van den Broek <fortytwo [at] xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> This may have been mentioned before, but in my opinion the
>> "Heart of Gold" was a "Cosmic Cutie"-shape.
>
>::unlurks::
>Didn't DNA describe it as a sleek running shoe?
>::relurks

I wasn't clear enough, I meant the movie-version of the HoG.
--
Met groeten, | make it so
Jan van den Broek | Make: don't know how to make it. Stop.
balglaas [at] xs4all.nl |
----------------------------------------+------------------- --------------------
Re: Shape of Heart Of Gold (was: Zooey and the new movie) [message #166607 ] Mi, 16 November 2005 00:42
Steve Marshall  
<simon.kempster [at] talk21.com> wrote

> I've always thought that a sphere is the most logical shape for a
> spaceship. Anything else is a waste of material and only increases
> distances between points.

It isn't a good shape for friction. If you're going to fly from A to B some
streamlining makes for a big improvement.
Heart of Gold does however fly through every conceivable (what about the
others) point in the Galaxy at once so a sphere may work for that. But it
only does that at certain times and so it would need some more conventional
shape to get it around.

> Unfortunately, most film and TV SF couldn't
> get out their heads designing spaceship like aircraft, which is
> pointless - just look at the way spaceships swoop in Star Trek, instead
> of turning on their axis.

That was down to being suspended on piano wire. They could slide it down the
piano wire and it went in straight lines pretty well. Having things move
around is quite difficult which is one of the reasons why they though 2001
was so good. (Spacewalk scene).

> Babylon 5 did better,

Computer graphics ! Easy to move things around with that !

> but a sphere is still
> best, with all the most critical parts in the very middle, protected
> equally from all sides.

They had a sphere theme. The ship was round, like Marvin's big head (who
comes down on a round lift through a round hole) and the shape on the doors
etc etc. I reckon it came from the Round thing on the HHGG game cover which
was used in 'The More Than Complete Hitchhiker's Guide'.

> However, the point above - "crap uninteresting shape" - shows why
> designers design things to look good, not function well.

Except film designers !!!

Steve M
Re: Shape of Heart Of Gold [message #166608 ] Mi, 16 November 2005 09:32
aqusenet  
Steve Marshall <sdm [at] atmosBlockA.plus.com> wrote:

> <simon.kempster [at] talk21.com> wrote
>
> > I've always thought that a sphere is the most logical shape for a
> > spaceship. Anything else is a waste of material and only increases
> > distances between points.
>
> It isn't a good shape for friction. If you're going to fly from A to B some
> streamlining makes for a big improvement.
> Heart of Gold does however fly through every conceivable (what about the
> others) point in the Galaxy at once so a sphere may work for that. But it
> only does that at certain times and so it would need some more conventional
> shape to get it around.
>
> > Unfortunately, most film and TV SF couldn't
> > get out their heads designing spaceship like aircraft, which is
> > pointless - just look at the way spaceships swoop in Star Trek, instead
> > of turning on their axis.
>
> That was down to being suspended on piano wire. They could slide it down the
> piano wire and it went in straight lines pretty well. Having things move
> around is quite difficult which is one of the reasons why they though 2001
> was so good. (Spacewalk scene).
>
> > Babylon 5 did better,
>
> Computer graphics ! Easy to move things around with that !

Amigas, even!
Re: Shape of Heart Of Gold [message #166609 ] Mi, 16 November 2005 15:02
emmel  
On 2005-11-15, Kaare Fiedler Christiansen <news [at] kaarefc.dk> wrote:
> emmel wrote:
>> On 2005-11-14, Jan van den Broek <fortytwo [at] xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>
>>>This may have been mentioned before, but in my opinion the
>>>"Heart of Gold" was a "Cosmic Cutie"-shape.
>>
>>
>> ::unlurks::
>> Didn't DNA describe it as a sleek running shoe?
>> ::relurks
>
> First book, chapter 4:
>
>===
>
> Beneath it lay uncovered a huge starship, one hundred and fifty
> metres long, shaped like a sleek running shoe, perfectly white
> and mindboggingly beautiful. At the heart of it, unseen, lay a
> small gold box which carried within it the most brain-wretching
> device ever conceived, a device which made this starship unique
> in the history of the galaxy, a device after which the ship had
> been named - The Heart of Gold.
>
> "Wow", said Zaphod Beeblebrox to the Heart of Gold. There wasn't
> much else he could say.
>
>===

::nods::
I'd really liked to see that - not some egg shaped bubble. It simply has
no style.
--
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Re: Shape of Heart Of Gold [message #166612 ] Do, 17 November 2005 01:25
Steve Marshall  
"Aquarion" <aqusenet [at] mailinator.com> wrote

> > Computer graphics ! Easy to move things around with that !
>
> Amigas, even!

It still amazes me that Amigas were used. I think they told Peter Jurassic
(Sp?) and that's how that hair style came in to being.

Steve M
Re: Shape of Heart Of Gold [message #166621 ] Do, 17 November 2005 17:27
John Coxon  
emmel wrote:

> It simply has no style.

I don't think one can say it has no style. Just not necessarily a very
good one.

--
John Coxon

But I thought YOU did the backups...

Email: john[dot]coxon[at]gmail[dot]com
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Re: Shape of Heart Of Gold [message #166641 ] Do, 17 November 2005 23:39
Frankymole  
> > That was down to being suspended on piano wire. They could slide it
down the
> > piano wire and it went in straight lines pretty well. Having things
move
> > around is quite difficult which is one of the reasons why they
though 2001
> > was so good. (Spacewalk scene).

The one where Kubrick asked the BBC how they did the zero-gravity
suspension in "Doctor Who: The Dalek's Master Plan". Also achieved by
shooting from below an actor suspended from the "ceiling" which appears
as a "wall" - used for an airlock sequence?

Frank
Re: Shape of Heart Of Gold [message #166643 ] Fr, 18 November 2005 02:06
Steve Marshall  
"Frankymole" <Frank [at] Ask for it on the group.com> wrote

> The one where Kubrick asked the BBC how they did the zero-gravity
> suspension in "Doctor Who: The Dalek's Master Plan". Also achieved by
> shooting from below an actor suspended from the "ceiling" which appears
> as a "wall" - used for an airlock sequence?

That sounds like it. I remember watching a program about the making of the
film heralding the scene as a major leap in sci-fi realism - or something
such. Shame about the rest of it, I thought !

;o)

Steve M
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