| This whole "Will of the Force" pooh-hockey... [message #163759] |
Do, 10 November 2005 04:43 |
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I don't buy it. Here's why...
If the force was able to "will itself into balance," then Darth Sidious
would have slipped on some spilt blue milk/ruby bliel and broken his feeble
old neck before he even became the Emperor. Isn't that how things work? But,
no... I know some people in here think Kenobi didn't finish off Anakin
because he decided to leave his fate to the force itself, but... that's
retarded. He didn't finish him because he told Yoda before he even went off
to kill Anakin that he couldn't do it. He practically raised the boy the day
Qui-Gon died. Could you do it? Yeah I bet you could...
And the whole force thing really seems hokey now. Is the force "good"? If
that is so, why is there a dark side? If the force is neither good nor evil,
why the hell would it "will" anything? Ah, it all just seems stupid now.
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| Re: This whole "Will of the Force" pooh-hockey... [message #163766 ] |
Do, 10 November 2005 05:03 |
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"Broken Spirit v 2.0" <radiohead3 [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:Dlzcf.7055$m81.4594 [at] newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>I don't buy it. Here's why...
> If the force was able to "will itself into balance," then Darth Sidious
> would have slipped on some spilt blue milk/ruby bliel and broken his
> feeble old neck before he even became the Emperor. Isn't that how things
> work? But, no... I know some people in here think Kenobi didn't finish off
> Anakin because he decided to leave his fate to the force itself, but...
> that's retarded. He didn't finish him because he told Yoda before he even
> went off to kill Anakin that he couldn't do it. He practically raised the
> boy the day Qui-Gon died. Could you do it? Yeah I bet you could...
> And the whole force thing really seems hokey now. Is the force "good"? If
> that is so, why is there a dark side? If the force is neither good nor
> evil, why the hell would it "will" anything? Ah, it all just seems stupid
> now.
>
Ben said in ANH that "the Force is an energy field". If that is true, then
everything, including that energy field, has been put in place by the
creator. Because God has given humans "free will" they can either accept
the fact that they are not God and conform their will to his, or they can
try to become Gods themselves which would result in a dark side.
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| Re: This whole "Will of the Force" pooh-hockey... [message #163773 ] |
Do, 10 November 2005 13:16 |
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Anonymous wrote:
> Ben said in ANH that "the Force is an energy field". If that is true, then
> everything, including that energy field, has been put in place by the
> creator.
You are making an assumption that is neither warranted nor logical.
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| Re: This whole "Will of the Force" pooh-hockey... [message #163774 ] |
Do, 10 November 2005 13:22 |
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Broken Spirit v 2.0 wrote:
> I don't buy it. Here's why...
> If the force was able to "will itself into balance," then Darth Sidious
> would have slipped on some spilt blue milk/ruby bliel and broken his feeble
> old neck before he even became the Emperor. Isn't that how things work?
I agree. The Force requires an agent. Otherwise, why fart around
waiting for Anaking to grow up when you could wipe out the sith with a
snap of your metaphysical fingers.
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| Re: This whole "Will of the Force" pooh-hockey... [message #163775 ] |
Do, 10 November 2005 15:43 |
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Broken Spirit v 2.0 wrote:
> I don't buy it. Here's why... If the force was able to "will itself
> into balance," then Darth Sidious would have slipped on some spilt
> blue milk/ruby bliel and broken his feeble old neck before he even
> became the Emperor. Isn't that how things work? But, no...
Yeah, the Force needs an agent in some circumstances. Who would be the
one of Prophecy to spill the blue milk?
> I know some people in here think Kenobi didn't finish off Anakin
> because he decided to leave his fate to the force itself, but...
> that's retarded. He didn't finish him because he told Yoda before he
> even went off to kill Anakin that he couldn't do it. He practically
> raised the boy the day Qui-Gon died. Could you do it? Yeah I bet you
> could...
Hey, he got Anakin as close to dead as possible without actually being
dead. No arms - check, no legs - check, burned alive and left for dead on
scorching hot rock next to a river of lava - check. Just because he
didn't lob his head in half with a lightsaber doesn't mean he didn't do a
stellar job...and true to what he said, he didn't kill Anakin...he just
didn't help him out when he could have.
> And the whole force thing really seems hokey now. Is the force "good"?
> If that is so, why is there a dark side? If the force is neither good
> nor evil, why the hell would it "will" anything? Ah, it all just seems
> stupid now.
Nothing is ever cut and dry good / evil one way or another. Are guns
good? Just the ones cops use? What about when they shoot a little boy
holding a water pistol? Was it the gun or the user that determined
whether it was good or evil?...or whether it was to be used for good or
evil?
Are cars good or evil? What if they are driven by a drunk driver? What if
they are driven by a grandmother going to church? What about church
buses? School buses? But what about all the harmful pollution in the bus
exhaust?
Add religion into the mix, and things are even more convoluted. Are
Chrisitians good or evil? What about Catholics? What about Catholic
Priests and Bshops who molest alter boys? What about televangelists who
declare themselves to be healers for monetary gain?
The Force could be good or evil, depending on who's using it, and what
they're using it for IMHO.
--
-Grue
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An unbreakable toy is good for breaking other toys.
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| Re: This whole "Will of the Force" pooh-hockey... [message #163816 ] |
Fr, 11 November 2005 05:45 |
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Darth Mura wrote:
> Anonymous wrote:
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> > Ben said in ANH that "the Force is an energy field". If that is true, then
> > everything, including that energy field, has been put in place by the
> > creator.
>
> You are making an assumption that is neither warranted nor logical.
Assumption or not - he is right!
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| Re: This whole "Will of the Force" pooh-hockey... [message #163818 ] |
Fr, 11 November 2005 06:04 |
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atomic wrote:
> Darth Mura wrote:
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>>Anonymous wrote:
>>
>>>Ben said in ANH that "the Force is an energy field". If that is true, then
>>>everything, including that energy field, has been put in place by the
>>>creator.
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>>You are making an assumption that is neither warranted nor logical.
>
>
> Assumption or not - he is right!
Whether you believe in the Creator or not, what was originally said,
does not make logical sense. What he basically said was...
"The Force is an Energy Field. If that is true, then everything has been
put in place by the Creator."
Belief system is irrelevant to the statement. It's just not logical...
jw.
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| Re: This whole "Will of the Force" pooh-hockey... [message #163835 ] |
Fr, 11 November 2005 11:49 |
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atomic wrote:
> Darth Mura wrote:
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> > Anonymous wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Ben said in ANH that "the Force is an energy field". If that is true, then
> > > everything, including that energy field, has been put in place by the
> > > creator.
> >
> > You are making an assumption that is neither warranted nor logical.
>
> Assumption or not - he is right!
About what?
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| Re: This whole "Will of the Force" pooh-hockey... [message #166184 ] |
Fr, 11 November 2005 17:45 |
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"James Willmott" <eatspam [at] mcdonalds.com> wrote in message
news:8DVcf.14479$Hj2.9385 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> atomic wrote:
>> Darth Mura wrote:
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>>>Anonymous wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ben said in ANH that "the Force is an energy field". If that is true,
>>>>then
>>>>everything, including that energy field, has been put in place by the
>>>>creator.
>>>
>>>You are making an assumption that is neither warranted nor logical.
>>
>>
>> Assumption or not - he is right!
>
> Whether you believe in the Creator or not, what was originally said, does
> not make logical sense. What he basically said was...
>
> "The Force is an Energy Field. If that is true, then everything has been
> put in place by the Creator."
>
> Belief system is irrelevant to the statement. It's just not logical...
>
> jw.
What I meant to say was "The Force is an Energy Field. If that is true, and
everything has been put in place by the Creator, then it would mean that
this energy field is also part of Gods creation."
Sorry; it was a confusing sentence.
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| Re: This whole "Will of the Force" pooh-hockey... [message #166188 ] |
Fr, 11 November 2005 20:27 |
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Broken Spirit v 2.0 wrote:
> If the force was able to "will itself into balance," then Darth Sidious
> would have slipped on some spilt blue milk/ruby bliel and broken his feeble
> old neck before he even became the Emperor. Isn't that how things work? But,
> no...
Maybe the will of force was that the corrupt republic needed some tough
love and had to hit bottom before it could fully recover. Sometimes ya
gotta be cruel to be kind.
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| Re: This whole "Will of the Force" pooh-hockey... [message #166191 ] |
Fr, 11 November 2005 22:20 |
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Anonymous wrote:
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> What I meant to say was "The Force is an Energy Field. If that is true, and
> everything has been put in place by the Creator, then it would mean that
> this energy field is also part of Gods creation."
>
> Sorry; it was a confusing sentence.
The Force is an Energy Field. If that is true, and the universe has
always existed as it is, then it would mean that this energy field is
also part of this universe.
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| Re: This whole "Will of the Force" pooh-hockey... [message #166192 ] |
Fr, 11 November 2005 22:22 |
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Anonymous wrote:
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> What I meant to say was "The Force is an Energy Field. If that is true, and
> everything has been put in place by the Creator, then it would mean that
> this energy field is also part of Gods creation."
The Force is an Energy Field. If that is true, and everything has been
put in place by the Spaghetti Monster, then it would mean that this
energy field is also part of the Spaghetti Monster's creation.
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| Re: This whole "Will of the Force" pooh-hockey... [message #166194 ] |
Fr, 11 November 2005 22:41 |
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"Darth Mura" <shridurga [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1131744040.699357.139710 [at] g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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> Anonymous wrote:
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>> What I meant to say was "The Force is an Energy Field. If that is true,
>> and
>> everything has been put in place by the Creator, then it would mean that
>> this energy field is also part of Gods creation."
>>
>> Sorry; it was a confusing sentence.
>
>
> The Force is an Energy Field. If that is true, and the universe has
> always existed as it is
That makes about as much sense as your "Spaghetti Monster" comment.
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| Re: This whole "Will of the Force" pooh-hockey... [message #166197 ] |
Fr, 11 November 2005 23:31 |
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Anonymous wrote:
> "James Willmott" <eatspam [at] mcdonalds.com> wrote in message
> news:8DVcf.14479$Hj2.9385 [at] news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>>atomic wrote:
>>
>>>Darth Mura wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Anonymous wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Ben said in ANH that "the Force is an energy field". If that is true,
>>>>>then
>>>>>everything, including that energy field, has been put in place by the
>>>>>creator.
>>>>
>>>>You are making an assumption that is neither warranted nor logical.
>>>
>>>
>>>Assumption or not - he is right!
>>
>>Whether you believe in the Creator or not, what was originally said, does
>>not make logical sense. What he basically said was...
>>
>>"The Force is an Energy Field. If that is true, then everything has been
>>put in place by the Creator."
>>
>>Belief system is irrelevant to the statement. It's just not logical...
>>
>>jw.
>
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> What I meant to say was "The Force is an Energy Field. If that is true, and
> everything has been put in place by the Creator, then it would mean that
> this energy field is also part of Gods creation."
>
> Sorry; it was a confusing sentence.
Yes :) Your rewrite makes perfect logical sense.
jw.
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| Re: This whole "Will of the Force" pooh-hockey... [message #166200 ] |
Fr, 11 November 2005 23:46 |
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Anonymous wrote:
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> That makes about as much sense as your "Spaghetti Monster" comment.
So maybe now you begin to see.
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| Re: This whole "Will of the Force" pooh-hockey... [message #166345 ] |
Do, 17 November 2005 02:45 |
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So "free will" is lie...
> Ben said in ANH that "the Force is an energy field". If that is true,
> then everything, including that energy field, has been put in place by the
> creator. Because God has given humans "free will" they can either accept
> the fact that they are not God and conform their will to his, or they can
> try to become Gods themselves which would result in a dark side.
>
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| Re: This whole "Will of the Force" pooh-hockey... [message #166346 ] |
Do, 17 November 2005 02:50 |
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You missed my whole point. If the force is neither good nor evil, why would
it "will" that the sith be destroyed? Only something "good" would want
something "evil" destroyed. And here people are saying that Obi-Wan did not
kill Anakin because he decided to leave his fate to the will of the force...
well, if the force were neither good nor evil, what will would it have at
all? It all sounds like horseshit to me.
> The Force could be good or evil, depending on who's using it, and what
> they're using it for IMHO.
>
> --
> -Grue
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> An unbreakable toy is good for breaking other toys.
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| Re: This whole "Will of the Force" pooh-hockey... [message #166349 ] |
Do, 17 November 2005 03:56 |
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Broken Spirit v 2.0 wrote:
> You missed my whole point. If the force is neither good nor evil, why would
> it "will" that the sith be destroyed? Only something "good" would want
> something "evil" destroyed.
Take away the "good" and "evil" tags and think of them as antibodies
and antigen.
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| Re: This whole "Will of the Force" pooh-hockey... [message #166350 ] |
Do, 17 November 2005 04:09 |
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"Broken Spirit v 2.0" <radiohead3 [at] earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:CgRef.1329$N45.1021 [at] newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> So "free will" is lie...
No.
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| Re: This whole "Will of the Force" pooh-hockey... [message #166352 ] |
Do, 17 November 2005 05:52 |
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Aw, shit.
>
> Take away the "good" and "evil" tags and think of them as antibodies
> and antigen.
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