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Science Fiction » alt.fan.starwars » AFS FAQ 9 November 2005
AFS FAQ 9 November 2005 [message #163752] Mi, 09 November 2005 23:54
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This FAQ has been compiled in an effort to provide both regulars and newbies
with the answers to frequently asked questions in the newsgroup
alt.fan.starwars. Questions sometimes arise repeatedly on AFS and this is an
attempt to clarify them. It is not intended to be the ultimate guide to all
things Star Wars and, in some cases, is not the final answer.

Special thanks for this FAQ go to Brian Bagley, John Donchig, Michael B.
Mayo, Stephen G. Harrogate-Bramley, Andrew Pollock and Brett McConnie.

The FAQ is divided into SEVEN relevant categories: Episodes I-III, Episodes
IV-VI, Miscellaneous, Spoilers, Binaries, Advertisements and Trolls.

Frequently Asked Questions

Version 5.1 - October 3, 2005

*1* EPISODES I-III *1*

1.A - What is the Force (metachlorians, midichlorians, whatever)?

1.B - In Duel of the Fates, what language is that?

1.C - Who is Anakin's father?

1.D - Why does Obi-Wan say Yoda was his teacher in ESB but in TPM it's
Qui-Gon?

1.E - What's this about bringing balance to the Force?

1.F - Why doesn't Qui-Gon disappear?

1.G- Was that Qui-Gon's voice that Yoda heard when Anakin killed the Tusken
Raiders?

1.H- Who is Sifo-Dyas and who erased Kamino from the Jedi Archives?

1.I - Why was Count Dooku surprised by the appearance of the clone army when
he knew Jango Fett?

1.J - What happened to Jango's unaltered clone?

1.K - If General Grievous is a droid why does he cough?

1.L - Which is Palpatine's real face?

1.M - How is Leia able to remember her mother when Padmé died after
childbirth?

*2* EPISODES IV-VI *2*

2.A - Are Bail, Wedge and Captain Antilles related?

2.B - Didn't the droids belong to Wedge?

2.C - What does Darth Vader mean?

2.D - Why did Obi-Wan lie about the droids?

2.E - Are Imperial Stormtroopers clones?

2.F - Why doesn't Owen recognize the droids?

2.G - When did Vader find out about Luke?

2.H - Who said the numbers `3263827` in the Trash Compactor?

2.I - What is Yoda?
2.J - Is the Emperor a Jedi? Who trained him?
2.K- How long was Luke on Dagobah?

2.L - Who originally played Emperor Palpatine in ESB?
2.M - In the Carbon Freezing Chamber scene in ESB, when Vader says "I am
altering the deal," does he use the Force to choke Lando?

2.N - Did Boba Fett really die in ROTJ?
2.O - Are Obi-Wan and Owen Lars brothers?

*3* MISCELLANEOUS *3*

3.A - What is meant by "canon"?
3.B - Will there be episodes 7-9?
3.C - Star Wars vs. ****** (i.e. Titanic, Star Trek)
3.D - Missing scenes?
3.E - What is "Troops"?
3.F - What is the "Star Wars Holiday Special"?
3.G - Mark Hamill's accident.
3.H - How do you spell litesabber....lightsaybr....lights...pagh!!!
3.I - I've heard such and such happens in the novels/graphic novels but
which one?
3.J - What time period do the films cover and what are the ages of the major
characters?

3.K - Why can't I get the original unaltered trilogy on DVD?

3.L - What does EU stand for?

3.M - Easter Eggs?

3.N - Did Mark Hamill shout "Carrie" in Episode IV?

*4* SPOILERS *4*

4.A - What is a spoiler?
4.B - What are some examples of spoilers?
4.C - What if my spoiler is speculation?
4.D - Why do some people not like spoilers?
4.E - How can I avoid being offensive for spoilers?
4.F - What happens when I post spoiler material inappropriately?

*5* BINARIES *5*

5.A - What is a binary ?
5.B - Where should I post a binary?
5.C - Why shouldn't I post the binary here?
5.D - What will happen if I post a binary in AFS?

*6* ADVERTISEMENTS *6*

6.A - What falls into the category of advertisements?
6.B - Why are my advertisements not wanted?
6.C - Where should I post my advertisements?
6.D - What happens if I ignore these guidelines?

*7* TROLLS *7*

7.A - What is Trolling?
7.B - What is a Troll?
7.C - Why do Trolls troll?
7.D - What do I do if I see a Troll?

*1* EPISODES I - III *1*

1.A - What is the Force (metachlorians, midichlorians, whatever)?

The following is an excerpt taken from the Toronto Sun (Bob Thompson,
6/1/99) "The scientific Star Wars explanation," says Lucas, "is that the
midichlorians can hear the Force, and they communicate with cells, and cells
communicate with your consciousness." In TPM Qui-Gon attempts to explain the
nature of the Force to Anakin. "Midichlorians are microscopic lifeforms that
reside within all living cells... Without the midichlorians, life could not
exist, and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak
to us, telling us the will of the Force."

1.B - In Duel of the Fates, what language is that?

Excerpt from http://www.jwilliamsmusic.it/jwchat.htm

Ask Lucasfilm: Jedi-Andy says: "In duel of the fates, what language is
that?"

John Williams: "That is Sanskrit. Simply, because I liked the way it
sounded,
in part, and in part, because it's an ancient language less well-known than
Latin or Greek. It also has good vowel sounds, which produce good tone and
timbre from the chorus, similar to modern Italian. Sanskrit, by the way, is
the root language of India".

i) Why Sanskrit?

Sanskrit originated in the northern India/Nepal region during the 3rd
Century AD. The Brahman caste used it during Hindu religious ceremonies. It
serves to achieve oneness, a connecting of self with the world soul. People
often use it in theatrical productions because of its mythic tone.

ii) What are the Sanskrit words?

From: Angelo Muredda
Newsgroup: alt.fan.starwars
Subject: Re: What are the words in "Duel of the Fates" (on the soundtrack?)
Date: Sat, Jun 3, 1999, 8:30 AM

The words -as sung- are: "Korah Matah Korah Rahtahmah, Korah Rahtamah
Yoodhah Korah, Korah Syahdho Rahtahmah Daanyah, Korah Keelah Daanyah Nyohah
Keelah Korah Rahtahmah, Syadho Keelah Korah Rahtahmah, Korah Daanyah Korah
Rahtahmah, Korah Daanyah Korah Rahtahmah, Nyohah Keelah Korah Rahtahmah,
Syadho Keelah Korah Rahtahmah, Korah Korah Matah Korah Rahtahmah, Korah
Daanyah Korah Rahtahmah, Nyohah Keelah Korah Rahtahmah, Syadho Keelah Korah
Rahtahmah, Korah "

iii) What is the English translation?

From: Wes Leavell
Newsgroup: alt.fan.starwars
Subject: Re: Duel of the Fates...lyrics? -HERE THEY ARE
Date: Fri, May 28, 1999, 10:23 PM

Ok, did some research. Here ya go. The original text for the words comes
from "Cad Goddeu" an old Celtic poem -translation Battle of the Trees or
depending on the meaning of trees, especially from a more druidic sense
Battle of the Fates. The english translation of the lyrics used is: "Under
the tongue root, a fight most dread, and another raging behind, in the
head." This was translated to rhyme, a more direct translation without
keeping the meter and rhyme is: "Beneath the tongue of the tree, a grave
battle unfolds, and another begins: the fire in the head." These lyrics -the
rhyming english translation by Robert Graves- were then translated again
into a dead dialect -sorry dont know the name of it, only that its written
form was sanskrit. Several older dialects used the same writing.

iv) What is the "Battle of the Trees"?

BATTLE OF THE TREES

The Battle of the Trees is a Welsh poem reconstructed from mixed and
fragmentary evidence by Robert Graves, a noted expert on mythology -
especially Greek. The second chapter of Graves's White Goddess, a work on
myth that George Lucas has praised now and then along with Frazer's Golden
Bough and Campbell's Hero with a Thousand Faces, describes the
reconstruction of this poem. Later chapters elicit its mythological and
historical meaning.

Cbd Goddeu

'The Battle of the Trees'

From Robert Graves, The White Goddess, New York: The Noonday Press (Farrar,
Straus & Giroux), 1966. Pages 33-38.

The tops of the beech tree / Have sprouted of late / Are changed and
renewed, from their withered state. - When the beech prospers / Though
spells and litanies / The oak tops entangle / There is hope for trees. - I
have plundered the fern / Through all secrets I spy / Old Math ap Mathonwy /
Knew no more than I / For with nine sorts of faculty / God has gifted me: I
am fruit of fruits gathered / From nine sorts of tree / Plum, quince,
whortle, mulberry / Raspberry, pear / Black cherry and white With the sorb
in me share / From my seat at Fefynedd / A city that is strong / I watched
the trees and green things / Hastening along / Retreating from happiness /
They would fain be set / In forms of the chief letters Of the alphabet /
Wayfarers wondered / Warriors were dismayed / At renewal of conflicts / Such
as Gwydion made / Under the tongue root / A fight most dread / And another
raging / Behind, in the head / The alders in the front line / Began the
affray / Willow and rowan-tree / Were tardy in array / The holly, dark green
/ Made a resolute stand / He is armed with many spear points / Wounding the
hand. With foot-beat of the swift oak / Heaven and earth rung / 'Stout
Guardian of the Door' / His name in every tongue / Great was the gorse in
battle / And the ivy at his prime / The hazel was arbiter / At this charmed
time / Uncouth and savage was the fir / Cruel the ash tree / Turns not aside
a foot-breadth / Straight at the heart runs he / The birch, though very
noble / Armed himself but late / A sign not of cowardice / But of high
estate / The heath gave consolation / To the toil-spent folk / The
long-enduring poplars / In battle much broke / Some of them were cast away /
On the field of fight / Because of holes torn in them / By the enemy's might
/ Very wrathful was the vine / Whose henchmen are the elms / I exalt him
mightily / To rulers of realms / Strong chieftains were the blackthorn /
With his ill fruit / The unbeloved whitethorn / Who wears the same suit /
The swift-pursuing reed / The broom with his brood / And the furze but
ill-behaved / Until he is subdued / The dower-scattering yew / Stood glum at
the fight's fringe / With the elder slow to burn / Amid fires that singe /
And the blessed wild apple / Laughing in pride / From the Gorchan of
Maeldrew / By the rock side / In shelter linger / Privet and woodbine /
Inexperienced in warfare / And the courtly pine / But I, although slighted /
Because I was not big / Fought, trees, in your array / On the field of
Goddeu Brig.

From page 123 of the same volume, a description of the basic meaning - read
the book for more!: "I first suspected that an alphabet was contained in
Gwion's conundrum when I began to restore the purposely jumbled text of his
Battle of the Trees, which refers to a primitive British tradition of the
capture of an oracular shrine by the guessing of a god's name. This capture
seems to have taken place early in the fourth century B.C. when the Belgic
Brythons, worshippers of the Ash-god Gwydion, with the help of an
agricultural tribe already settled in Britain, seized the national shrine,
perhaps Avebury, from the reigning priesthood, two of whose gods were Arawn
and Bran."

Thanks go to Don Kuenz for this particular section.

1.C - Who is Anakin's father?

Shmi tells Qui-Gon that "there was no father" and this leads him to believe
that Anakin was "conceived by the Midichlorians." In ROTS Palpatine relates
to Anakin the story of Darth Plagueis the Wise who was so powerful he could
influence the Midichlorians to create life. The implication is that Plagueis
himself or possibly Sidious created Anakin but this is never actually stated
in the film. Although it seems likely that Sidious had a hand in Anakin's
creation, he was not entirely truthful with Anakin in this particular
conversation and could well have been telling the boy what he knew he wanted
to hear.

1.D - Why does Obi-Wan in ESB say Yoda was his teacher but in TPM it's
Qui-Gon?

The Jedi Apprentice series of books shows that Obi-Wan had other teachers in
the Jedi Temple before being made Qui-Gon's Padawan, including various
members of the Jedi Council. In a scene from AOTC Obi-Wan goes to visit Yoda
while he is teaching a class of young Padawan learners. One of his former
teachers, Yoda, was referred to in a scene from the beginning of TPM:
"...but master Yoda said I should be mindful of the future." This gives us a
hint that Kenobi WAS taught by Yoda but not in the way we first assumed from
watching ESB. It was, after all, said from a `certain point of view`. :)

1.E - What's this about bringing balance to the Force?

Many people get confused because they take the idea of balance too
literally. Lucas does not refer to an equality of numbers like we might
assume balance to mean; after all, a person who is mentally balanced isn't
half sane and half insane. In his ideal universe there is no evil. On the
original trilogy VHS box set released in 2000 he explained what he means by
bringing balance to the Force. It entails eliminating the Sith and having
only Jedi, thereby bringing harmony to the universe. Anakin is the Chosen
One and although he is instrumental in wiping out the Jedi he eventually
brings balance to the Force by utterly destroying the Sith once and for all.
It's important to remember that the Star Wars movies are fairy tales not
documentaries and therefore the rules of the tale do not have to follow
those in real life.

1.F - Why doesn't Qui-Gon disappear?

Of all the Jedi/Force bearing individuals that die we know of only two that
actually disappear upon death. George Lucas has stated that "there is a
whole issue around that and the ability to disappear... the key line to
understanding this is when Ben Kenobi tells Darth Vader, 'If you strike me
down...'" Even though we saw Qui-Gon cremated rather than disappear he was
able to retain his identity after death and his voice was heard by Yoda in
AOTC when Anakin slaughtered the Tusken Raiders. He then made contact with
Yoda in ROTS. In the novelization (page 409) Qui-Gon tells Yoda the secret
of eternal life. He says it is "the ultimate goal of the Sith, yet they can
never achieve it; it comes only by the release of self, not the exaltation
of self. It comes through compassion, not greed. Love is the answer to the
darkness." Alone in his exile, the ancient Jedi Master became his student
learning how to become one with the Force and live on after death.

"One of the things that will never get explained in the films is how Ben was
able to retain his identity, because it happened somewhere between the third
and fourth movies. I set up that this is a discipline that he learned from
Yoda; Yoda told him how to do that."
http://www.starwars.com/episode-vi/explore/classic/2001/07/c lassic20010730.html

1.G - Was that Qui-Gon's voice that Yoda heard when Anakin killed the
Tusken Raiders?

Yes it was Qui-Gon Jinn who said "Anakin! Anakin! No!" The "Anakin" part of
the line was from TPM when Qui-Gon told Anakin to drop as Maul was pursuing
them across the desert.

1.H - Who is Sifo-Dyas and who erased Kamino from the Jedi Archives?

Although Sifo-Dyas was not on the Jedi Council during the events of TPM he
was certainly known to Obi-Wan, Yoda and Mace Windu. According to the ROTS
Visual Dictionary (2005) and the novel Labyrinth of Evil (2005) he was a
friend of Count Dooku. He placed an order with the cloners of Kamino
unbeknownst to the Jedi Council. The book "Galactic Crisis!" by Ryder
Windham (2005) is not canon but reveals "Obi-Wan later discovered that
Palpatine himself sent the mysterious Sifo-Dyas to Kamino to commission the
vast clone army." Under orders from his new master, Darth Sidious, Dooku
killed his former friend and took control of the clone operation; recruiting
Jango Fett and erasing all records of Kamino from the Jedi Archives. There
is no canon explanation so these non-canon tidbits will have serve. Other
theories, of impersonation and dual identities, have been raised but seem
inadequate to explain what may really just be a case of betrayal and Sith
foresight.

1.I - Why was Count Dooku surprised by the appearance of the clone army when
he knew Jango Fett?

Count Dooku AKA Darth Tyranus was the person who recruited Jango Fett to be
the host for the clone army. He knew of the army's existence and was only
the leader of the separatist movement because he was the apprentice of Darth
Sidious whose plan was to start a major war. Dooku pretended to be surprised
so that his identity and true purpose would not be known by his "allies" in
the separatist movement.

1.J - What happened to Jango's unaltered clone?

Lama Su told Obi-Wan Kenobi that "besides his payment, which was
considerable, Fett demanded only one thing - an unaltered clone for
himself." He named this unaltered clone Boba and raised him as a son. The
last we saw of him in AOTC he was holding his father's helmet in his hands.

1.K - If General Grievous is a droid why does he cough?

Grievous is not a droid but a cybernetic organism or Cyborg. He was once a
great warrior of the Kaleesh people but after a shuttle accident almost
killed him his severely injured body was reconstructed with mechanical parts
transforming him into a being more powerful than mere flesh. "His implacable
metallic skeleton gives him the aspect of a droid, but hidden inside the
armoured carapace is an unwholesome, living being. To remind viewers of this
inner Grievous, his words are occasionally punctuated with a hard, wet
hacking cough -- suggesting that Grievous is literally rotten to the core."
(Star Wars Homing Beacon #128.) An alternate reason for the General's cough
is contained in Season 3 of the Clone Wars micro-series. In Episode 25 Mace
Windu uses the Force to crush Grievous' chest, causing him to cough.

1.L - Which is Palpatine's real face?

As a result of his battle with Mace Windu we see a marked change in
Palpatine's face which raises the question of whether the Force lightning
damaged his face or simply tore away the mask revealing his true face? The
Visual Dictionary suggests that Palpatine has two faces, one of which is his
true face but elsewhere it also says his face is "irreparably damaged." Rick
McCallum himself believes that Palpatine's wrinkled face is his real one but
hasn't claimed this to be the definitive answer. George Lucas remains silent
on the subject, perhaps intending it to be ambiguous.

The novelization gives two possible answers. "I shall miss the face of
Palpatine, I think; but for our purpose, the face of Sidious will serve,"
says the Emperor after Mace is dead. This apparently makes it clear that
Sidious' face is truly wrinkled, always was, but the description of his
transformation leaves room for doubt. "The yellow glare from Palpatine's
eyes spread outward through his flesh. His skin flowed like oil, as though
the muscle beneath was burning away, as though even the bones of his skull
were softening, were bending and bulging, deforming from the heat and
pressure of his electric hatred." This doesn't sound like somebody revealing
their true identity but rather somebody being exposed to energies which
forever transform their appearance. The official site says "he was severely
scarred by the reflected power of his dark side lightning."
http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/darthsidious/inde x.html and if
you closely examine every shot of Sidious throughout the trilogy you'll see
that his face is not deformed until after his battle with Mace Windu. You
can especially see this in his conference with General Grievous. So does
this answer the question? That will have to be left to individual
interpretation.

1.M - How is Leia able to remember her mother when Padmé died after
childbirth?

Padmé barely got to see her children before passing away from causes unknown
so it seems odd that Leia is able to remember her. There is no canon
explanation for this but fan speculation has provided a couple of answers
which one can either reject or embrace. It's possible that Leia had a strong
connection with her mother through the Force which Luke, despite
demonstrating greater ability, did not. This connection could have left a
lasting impression on Leia thus allowing her to remember her mother despite
her infancy. Another possibility is that Bail Organa raised Leia with the
knowledge of who her real mother was and therefore she could have seen
images or recordings of Padmé which gave rise to the memories she shares
with Luke. Others have suggested Leia is remembering her adopted mother. Of
course, it could be a giant plot hole which Lucas carelessly left
unanswered.

*2* EPISODES IV - VI *2*

2.A - Are Bail, Wedge and Captain Antilles related?

Bail Antilles, Capt. Antilles and Wedge Antilles are not related in any way.
Bail Antilles was Alderaan's representative in the Senate during the Trade
Federation's invasion of Naboo. He ran against Palpatine for the office of
Chancellor. Capt. Antilles was originally named "Captain Colton," and this
name appears in the novelization and early scripts. Incidentally this is the
name of the pilot of the Tantive IV (played by Jeremy Bulloch in ROTS). He
was also from Alderaan but is no relation to the former Senator. Wedge
Antilles is from Corellia. For more information on Wedge, please visit
news:alt.fan.wedge. On the Official Site Steve Sansweet explains "it should
be noted that `Antilles` is sort of the Star Wars equivalent of Jones,` and
`Smith.` There have been numerous characters throughout the films, books and
expanded universe material named Antilles, but almost none of them are
directly related."
http://www.starwars.com/community/askjc/steve/askjc20000717. html (no longer
a valid link)

2.B - Didn't the droids belong to Wedge?

Captain Antilles (not Wedge) was the man who Vader throttled in the early
parts of ANH and who was seen with Bail Organa in ROTS. He was the owner of
R2-D2 and C-3PO from the time he was entrusted with them by Organa until his
death.

2.C - What does Darth Vader mean?

Some fans have speculated that Darth stands for DARk lord of the siTH but
this has no known basis in fact. Possibly it was chosen because it sounds
like dark but once again this is only speculation. It is much more likely
than anything else that it is a completely fictitious name. The word "Vader"
does mean "father" in Dutch. In the documentary series "Joseph Campbell and
the Power of Myth" George Lucas states that he used the name Vader for this
very reason. It has also been noted that it brings to mind the word
"invader."

2.D - Why did Obi-Wan lie about the droids?

Obi-Wan claimed "I don't seem to remember ever owning a droid" yet he is
plainly seen in the presence of both R2 and 3PO in Episodes I-III. This does
not mean he lied to Luke in ANH. Obi-Wan merely said he didn't own a droid,
he never said he hadn't met the droids before. The two droids, R4-P17 and
R4-G9 who are hardwired to Obi-Wan's Jedi Starfighters were not owned by him
but by the Jedi. Many people believe that his first words to R2, "come here
my little friend," are an indication that he did in fact recognize him. It
must be remembered though that there are innumerable astromech and protocol
droids in the SW universe and it has presumably been many years since
Obi-Wan last saw these two. Add to this the fact that Obi-Wan often tells
Luke the truth from his own point of view and that there is no reason for
him to tell Luke about any past associations he may have had with the droids
that would undoubtedly lead to many awkward questions.

2.E - Are Imperial Stormtroopers clones?

There was at least one official source describing them as clones back in the
1970s. We know that Clonetroopers are the forerunners of the Imperial
Stormtroopers we see in the original trilogy. The question is did Palpatine
continue using clones to populate his army or did he recruit individuals?
When Luke rescues Leia, from her cell aboard the Death Star, she asks if he
isn't too short to be a Stormtrooper. While that may indicate that men have
to be at least a certain height before they will be considered for the job,
it could also mean that all Stormtroopers are the same height because they
are genetically identical. The ROTS Visual Dictionary states "clones are.
being grown on other worlds, with cells procured from new templates."
Whether there are any clones of Jango Fett still around at the time of the
Galactic Civil War is unknown and may never be revealed. It seems likely
that at least part of the Imperial armed forces is made up of clones.

2.F - Why doesn't Owen recognize the droids in Episode IV?

Like many questions this one can only be answered with speculation. It's
possible that Owen did recognize them and that's why he was so insistent on
having their memories erased. It's also possible that there are so many
droids in the galaxy that he just never considered it likely that his new
protocol droid was the one he knew 22 years earlier. In AOTC C-3PO is a dull
silver colour but in ANH he's shiny gold. Then there's the fact that he
spent only a few seconds with them and never learned their designations in
ANH. Of course it could all just be a major problem of inattention to
continuity.

2.G - When did Vader find out about Luke?

Here is another question that has no canon answer. It is generally accepted
that Vader found out that the name of the Rebel who destroyed the Death Star
was Skywalker some time shortly following the Battle of Yavin. In the comic
book "Vader's Quest" by Darko Macan the Sith Lord searches for the hero of
Yavin and learns from a Rebel that it was Luke Skywalker, his son, who
destroyed the Death Star. This is not contradicted by canon and seems a very
likely explanation. The 2004 DVD release of ESB has Palpatine telling Vader
of Luke Skywalker but from the opening crawl we know that Vader is already
obsessed with finding Luke; so he obviously knows the identity of the Rebel
hero long before Palpatine does.

2.H - Who said the numbers `3263827` in the Trash Compactor?

This has been one of the most controversial topics ever raised in AFS. Long
time posters will recall the endless threads debating this topic without
resolution. Opinion has been divided over whether it was Han or Luke who
called out the numbers. Those who believe it's Luke are certain it is Mark
Hamill's voice and add that Luke was the one holding the comlink. Those who
say Han point out that he was the only one in a position to see the numbers
by the door, that the numbers are only spoken once and that only Han could
have done this. The official answer is that it is "Han Solo who shouts out
`3263827!`
in response to Luke's query, `Where are we?`"
http://www.starwars.com/community/askjc/jocasta/askjc2001072 5.html (no
longer a valid link)

2.I - What is Yoda?

There are currently no canon/official sources which give a name for Yoda's
species although in TPM a female of Yoda's species, named Yaddle, appears in
the Jedi Council. This STILL doesn't help answer the question though. Is he
Reptilian? Is he Bird-like? Some people have speculated that Yoda might be a
member of a race known as the Whills. The Whills were mentioned in the
preface of the novelization of ANH but there is no evidence linking this
unknown race to Yoda.

2.J - Is the Emperor a Jedi? Who trained him?

Palpatine was never a Jedi or his abilities would have been known to Yoda
and the Jedi Council. How he was trained in secret and how he became so
powerful are unknown but he was originally from Naboo and his master was
Darth Plagueis the Wise. Once Palpatine had learned all he could from Darth
Plagueis he murdered his master in his sleep.

2.K - How long was Luke on Dagobah?

This is another question that can only be answered by saying "nobody knows."
No canon sources make it clear how long Luke was on Dagobah (and, by
association, how long the Millennium Falcon took to get to Bespin). Many
(seemingly expert) physics student seem to have decided the whole situation
is literally impossible without light speed travel. There have been official
(but non-canon) sources that have treated this very subject. In them the
agreed upon length of time for Luke's stay on Dagobah is given as "a few
weeks" or "couple of weeks." This would seem to mesh well with the idea
that, whereas a normal Jedi needed years to complete training, Luke was an
exceptional prospect and needed only scant weeks to complete the same thing.

2.L - Who originally played Emperor Palpatine in ESB?

Clive Revill is credited as the VOICE of Palpatine but the face is NOT Alec
Guinness, as some would like to believe. It is a woman with chimpanzee eyes
super imposed to create the effect we see with the Emperor in ESB. Ian
McDiarmid, who plays the Emperor in ROTJ and Palpatine/Sidious in the
prequels, was added to the release of ESB on DVD in 2004.


2.M - In the Carbon Freezing Chamber scene in ESB, when Vader says "I am
altering the deal," does he use the Force to choke Lando?

This all depends on your own interpretation of the events witnessed in that
particular scene.

The Script
LANDO: You said they'd be left in the city under my supervision.
VADER: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.


Lando's hand instinctively goes to his throat as he turns to Leia, Chewie,
and Threepio.

Not much there to give us a hint either way.

The Novel
Indicating Leia and Chewbacca, Lando told Vader, "I'll take what is mine
now." He was determined to whisk them out of Vader's clutches before the
Dark Lord reneged on their contract.

"Take them," Vader said, "but I'm keeping a detachment of troops here to
watch over them."
"That wasn't part of the bargain," Lando protested hotly. "You said the
Empire wouldn't interfere in -"
"I'm altering the bargain. Pray I don't alter it any further."

A sudden tightness grasped Lando's throat, a threatening sign of what would
happen to him if he gave Vader any difficulty. Lando's hand automatically
went to his neck, but in the next moment the unseen hold was released and
the administrator turned to face Leia and Chewbacca.

There's a little bit more to go on now. This clearly shows that Lando was
indeed choked by Vader as a warning.

The Movie
This is where it gets complicated. The only indication that we `think` Vader
chokes Lando is when Lando puts his hand to his neck after Vader has said,
"I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further." Some say it's a
gesture by Lando because he knows what COULD happen. Some say it's obvious
that Vader reaches, through the Force, to choke Lando.

This question can be debated but what it boils down to is personal
interpretation but personal interpretation DOES NOT make the person correct.

Let's look at, for the want of a better word, the Force Grip. It is set up
in ANH. It is then demonstrated in ESB on Admiral Ozzel and Captain Needa.
It sets up the scene with Lando, so it's only natural to assume that Vader
does indeed choke Lando but, again, this is all based on the viewer's own
interpretation, so half say `yes` and half say `no`. Who is right? Who is
wrong? Will we ever know?! ;-)

2.N - Are Obi-Wan and Owen Lars brothers?

In the ROTJ novelization Obi-Wan tells Luke that Owen is his brother. This
is in most versions of the script, and is rumoured to have been filmed but
edited out of the final copy of ROTJ. The novelization is a canon source but
can be contradicted by the movies. When writing AOTC George Lucas made Owen
Anakin's step-brother and now he is no relation of Obi-Wan's. From the
official site - "Owen Lars is the son of Cliegg Lars. Obi-Wan's parents are
unknown, and he has little to no connection to them having grown up in the
Jedi Temple."
http://www.starwars.com/community/askjc/jocasta/askjc2002013 1.html (no
longer a valid link)

2.O - Did Boba Fett really die in ROTJ?

According to George Lucas, Boba Fett is dead. He, and most people on this
NG, is aware of the different stories that have Fett surviving the Sarlacc.
There are about 3 different versions of this story, and Lucas does not
approve of any of them. He has stated in interviews that, "I killed Boba
Fett. He is dead."

*3* MISCELLANEOUS *3*

3.A - What is meant by "canon"?

Well, when you get right down to the basics of any expanded universe, such
as that of Star Wars, Star Trek, or even Babylon 5, the questions are raised
as to what items are considered a part of the overall story, which are "sort
of" a part of it, and which just plain aren't part of the mainstream saga in
the least. In a situation like this, the terms "canon," "official,"
"unofficial," "apocrypha," and "fan fiction" come into play.

As far as level of priority and officialty, the ladder, from greatest
priority to least is:

First Level Canon
Second Level Canon
Third Level Canon
Fourth Level Canon
Official (Expanded Universe)
Apocrypha (Unofficial)
Fan Fiction (FanFic)

`CANON` is that which is undeniably part of the overall story, the creator's
vision. In the case of Star Wars, this is broken down into four levels, with
the lower levels being only canonical so far as that they do not contradict
the higher levels. Essentially, the lower levels are only canonical where
they agree with, or add to, the higher levels. `First Level Canon` is the
highest level of officialty that something can receive. This term is
reserved solely for Lucas' definitive vision and includes only these items:

Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace
Star Wars: Episode II - Attack Of The Clones
Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith
Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope (2004 DVD Edition)
The Star Wars Holiday Special
Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (2004 DVD Edition)
Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (2004 DVD Edition)
Caravan Of Courage (AKA The Ewok Adventure)
Ewoks: The Battle For Endor

`Second Level Canon` is the next level down from the creator's definitive
vision. It basically consists of anything that the creator originally
considered First Level Canon, but overwrote slightly. In this case, the
original Star Wars film trilogy and the Special Editions fit into this
category. Second Level Canon information can only be overridden by First
Level Canon (i.e., if an "official continuity" author had written that
Greedo shot first in A New Hope, it would have not been the "way it really
happened," but since Lucas overwrote that scene with his definitive, First
Level Canon Special Edition, the old version of events ceased to exist, and
were replaced by those Lucas created with his First Level Canon).
Essentially, anything in the original films is canonical, unless it
contradicts the First Level Canon of the Special Edition. (The SE scripts
are included in this category.)

`Third Level Canon` is the next step below the original films. This level
includes the novelizations of the films themselves. This level can only be
overridden by First or Second Level Canon. Thus, if a wording is different
in the novel than in the film, the novelization wording is not canonical.
For example, in the novelization to The Empire Strikes Back, Han Solo, while
fleeing Hoth, states, "I know, I know, I see them," when referring to Star
Destroyers. In the films (both First and Second Level Canon versions), he
states "I saw 'em! I saw 'em!" Nitpicky, yes, but by the rules of
canonicity, the film wording supersedes the novelization. (The original
version scripts are included in this category.)

`Fourth Level Canon` is the final step down the ladder of officialty before
one reaches simply "official." This level includes the radio dramas of the
Star Wars films and the Clone Wars animated series. Once again, it is a case
of these events being canonical only so far as they add to or agree with the
films and novelizations. The novels and both versions of the films supersede
these. For example, the Battle of Derra IV in the ESB radio drama is
canonical because it adds to, and does not contradict, the films or
novelizations. The character of Heater in the ANH radio drama is not
canonical, as that character is replaced with a different character name in
the Third, Second, and First Level Canon.

`Official` is that which Lucasfilm has allowed to become a part of their
"official continuation." George Lucas himself does not approve these stories
and has stated that he feels no obligation to work any of these elements
into his future films. This is essentially a collection of stories licensed
by Lucasfilm and produced by Bantam Spectra, Berkley Boulevard, Del Rey,
Berkley Boulevard, Berkley Jam, Dark Horse Comics, LucasArts games (in some,
but not all cases), and other companies that Lucasfilm has allowed to
contribute to the continuity. This is what most current Star Wars saga fans
consider the timeline, although that may change if and when Lucas overrides
them by producing a Sequel Trilogy, which would be First Level Canon.

`Apocrypha` (often referred to as Unofficial) refers to any and all Star
Wars stories that are not a part of the "official continuity." The stories
may form timelines unto themselves, but they are not Lucasfilm- approved for
the continuity. It's safest to consider them "alternate reality" versions of
the saga. They have no place in the "official continuity."

`Fan Fiction` (or FanFic) is the term that refers to any creation by a Star
Wars fan that is not sanctioned by Lucasfilm in any form. (Apocryphal items
at least got permission to publish.) These are things like Troops and other
fan-created videos, short stories like Bantha Squadron, etc. If you've ever
written or created a Star Wars story on your own, that item would be called
FanFic, or Fan Fiction.

From the Star Wars Insider #23, an interview with Production and Continuity
Editors Sue Rostoni and Allan Kausch:

"Gospel, or canon as we refer to it, includes the screenplays, the films,
the radio dramas, and the novelizations. These works spin out of George
Lucas' original stories, the rest are written by other writers. However,
between us, we've read everything, and much of it is taken into account in
the overall continuity. The entire catalog of published works comprises a
vast history -- with many off-shoots, variations and tangents like any other
well-developed mythology." This is the end-all and the be-all of the Star
Wars Universe. The original novels, comics, WEG material, etc. ARE
"official," meaning that it has been licensed and approved by Lucasfilm.
However, there are times when they have contradicted the canon sources, such
as with the Death and Life of Boba Fett (see item 2.A.) In such instances,
the "official" sources are to be disregarded.

Here is LucasBooks' Chris Cerasi's answer from the official site: There's
been some confusion of late regarding the 'Infinities' symbol and Star Wars
Expanded Universe continuity in general. Terms like "canon" and "continuity"
tend to get thrown around casually, which doesn't help at all. When it comes
to absolute canon, the real story of Star Wars, you must turn to the films
themselves - and only the films. Even novelizations are
interpretations of the film, and while they are largely true to George
Lucas' vision (he works quite closely with the novel authors), the method in
which they are written does allow for some minor differences. The
novelizations are written concurrently with the film's production, so
variations in detail do creep in from time to time. Nonetheless, they should
be regarded as very accurate depictions of the fictional Star Wars movies.
The further one branches away from the movies, the more interpretation and
speculation come into play. LucasBooks works diligently to keep the
continuing Star Wars expanded universe cohesive and uniform, but
stylistically, there is always room for variation. Not all artists draw Luke
Skywalker the same way. Not all writers define the character in the same
fashion. The particular attributes of individual media also come into play.
A comic book interpretation of an event will likely have less dialogue or
different pacing than a novel version. A video game has to take an
interactive approach that favors gameplay. So too must card and roleplaying
games ascribe certain characteristics to characters and events in order to
make them playable. The analogy is that every piece of published Star Wars
fiction is a window into the 'real' Star Wars universe. Some windows are a
bit foggier than others. Some are decidedly abstract. But each contains a
nugget of truth to
them. Like the great Jedi Knight Obi-Wan Kenobi said, 'many of the truths we
cling to depend greatly on our point of view.'

Returning to the question at hand. Yes, "Star Wars Gamer" is part of
continuity, though as game material, there is room for interpretation. Only
specific articles marked with the 'Infinities' logo within the magazine
should be considered out of continuity. Fans of the old monthly Marvel Star
Wars comic will be heartened to know that LucasBooks does indeed consider
them part of continuity. Decades of retrospect haven't been kind to all the
elements of the comic series, but the characters and events still hold
weight and are referenced in newer material whenever possible. In order to
allow unlimited freedom of storytelling, the Infinities label has been
placed on the anthology series, "Star Wars Tales". This means that not only
can the stories occur anywhere in the Star Wars timeline, but stories can
happen outside continuity. Basically, if an event happens in "Tales", it may
not have necessarily happened in the rest of the expanded universe. For some
stories, the distinction is largely inconsequential. For others, it's the
only way they could exist.
http://ww.starwars.com/community/askjc/steve/askjc20010817.h tml (no longer a
valid link)

3.B - Will there be episodes 7-9?

Although the range of EU books seems likely to continue forever and there
will be at least two new TV series set in the Star Wars universe, contrary
to what many people believe/hope, there are no plans for a third trilogy
comprising Episodes 7-9. At a press conference in Australia, Rick McCallum,
long-time collaborator with George Lucas and Producer of the Prequel
Trilogy, announced that George Lucas himself has decided that Episodes 1-6
are the totality of his Star Wars story, and that the time period AFTER the
Prequels have been released are likely to find Lucas and Lucasfilm working
on more experimental types of projects.

3.C - Star Wars vs. ****** (i.e. Titanic, Star Trek)

These are off-topic subjects that eat up bandwidth by promoting pointless
debates over which one is better or which one will make more money. For Star
Trek there is a newsgroup devoted to this debate, try
news:alt.startrek.vs.starwars.

3.D - Missing scenes?

Most of these "missing scenes" that people claim to have seen don't exist.
There are a few scenes which were filmed but never made it beyond the
cutting room floor including some extra scenes depicting Luke and Biggs on
Tatooine in ANH, a scene involving C-3PO and the removal of a warning sign,
and the extra footage removed from TPM but included on the DVD.

3.E - What is "Troops"?

"Troops" is a parody of both SW and the TV show, "COPS," that uses
Stormtroopers. It was written and directed by Kevin Rubio. Troops can be
downloaded at http://www.theforce.net/fanfilms/shortfilms/troops/. It is
distributed free of charge and it is illegal for anyone to sell or trade it
for profit. And yes, George Lucas has seen it, and he thought it was
hilarious.

3.F - What is the "Star Wars Holiday Special"?

Long ago, in an era far, far away... a television special featuring
Wookiees, C-3PO, and a stoned Carrie Fisher aired on network TV. It seems
that in his old age George Lucas has looked back at the Star Wars Holiday
Special that aired in 1978 and decided the world would have been a better
place if he had never made it. He's publicly said that if he could, he would
find all copies circulating loosely and destroy them. So no, don't plan on
seeing the SW Holiday Special on TV or in video stores any time soon.
Bootleg versions are available online or at conventions.

3.G - Mark Hamill's accident.

In 1976 Mark Hamill was involved in a car accident near his home in Southern
California. He required some reconstructive surgery which is why his face,
particularly his nose, is different in ESB. Contrary to popular belief the
Wampa scenes in ESB were not written into the movie as a way to explain his
facial scars; it's just a coincidence.

3.H - How do you spell litesabber....lightsaybr....lights...pagh!!!

There seems to be some confusion as to the correct spelling of
Lightsaber/Lightsabre. The Original Star Wars Novel by George Lucas (ghost
written by Alan Dean Foster) has the spelling as Lightsaber as does the
Return of the Jedi Novel, by James Kahn and The Phantom Menace Novel, by
Terry Brooks but The Empire Strikes Back Novel, by Donald. F. Glut, has the
spelling Lightsabre. After checking the Official Site - Weapons Section, it
does seem that the general consensus for the `laser sword` is Lightsaber,
so, there you have it, LIGHTSABER!!

3.I - I've heard such and such happens in the novels/graphic novels but
which one?

i) In what story did Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade marry?

Luke And Mara became engaged in the 'Vision of the Future' novel by Timothy
Zahn and married in the comic series `SW:Union` published by Dark Horse
comics.

ii) In what story did Luke Skywalker turn to the Dark Side?

Luke was seduced to the Dark Side in the `Dark Empire` graphic novel series.
He is later recovered by Leia.

iii) In what story did Emperor Palpatine return as a clone?

Again in `Dark Empire`, a clone of Palpatine is discovered, who then
succeeds in turning Luke to the Dark Side (see above). The clone story also
continues in "Dark Empire 2" and "Empire's End".

3.J - What time period do the films cover and what are the ages of the major
characters?

Using the first movie released, Episode IV, as the starting point the
chronology of the movies goes thus:

TPM -32
AOTC -22
ROTS -19
ANH 0
ESB +3
ROTJ +4

According to the novelization of TPM Anakin was 9 years old; Padmé was 14;
Obi-Wan was 25 and Qui-Gon was 60. This makes Anakin 45 at the time of his
death in ROTJ and Obi-Wan 57 at the time of his death in ANH. In ANH Luke
and Leia were 19 and Han was, according to the novelization, "perhaps five
years older than Luke, perhaps a dozen."

3.K - Why can't I get the original unaltered trilogy on DVD?

George Lucas had many constraints to contend with when making the original
trilogy. The technology of filmmaking was well behind his vision and so he
had to leave things incomplete due to problems of time and money. Years
later he decided to revisit these movies and discovered that "it was so
badly damaged. [They] had to digitally scan the images. Once that happened,
George had the unique opportunity to then go back and say, wait a second,
I've always been embarrassed by this film. Now he's [able] to go back and
make the film that he always wanted to achieve in the first place." (Rick
McCallum SUM (Specifiek Universitair Magazine), vol. 7, no. 3) So now, in
George Lucas' mind, the Special Editions are the movies that he always
wanted to make and the original versions are no longer relevant. The last
time the original versions were released was on VHS and laser disc in 1995.
If Lucas has his way, and it seems he always does, they will never again be
released in any format. It is possible, of course, to find bootleg copies of
the movies on places like eBay.

3.L - What does EU stand for?

EU means Expanded Universe or Extended Universe. It refers to the ever
increasing amount of fictional works which expand on the characters, worlds
and situations created by George Lucas in his movies. They include such
things as novels, comics and games. These works are official but Lucas has
no immediate involvement in their creation. (See item 3.A for more.)

3.M - Easter Eggs?

An "Easter Egg" is a little surprise placed in a production by its creator.
In this case, GL included quite a few little tidbits in his newest Star Wars
movies. In TPM there are Wookiees, an appearance by Warwick Davis, a THX
reference and the sound of Darth Vader breathing. In AOTC, when Anakin and
Padmé arrive on Naboo, some ships that look suspiciously like the Millennium
Falcon can be seen in the bottom left of the frame and both Anthony Daniels
(C-3PO) and Ahmed Best (Jar Jar Binks) play patrons in the nightclub scene.
In ROTS, when Anakin visits Palpatine at the opera, George Lucas himself can
be seen standing outside the doorway which Anakin enters. A comprehensive
list of Easter Eggs in ROTS can be found at

http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/bts/production/f20050526 /index.html.
http://www.theforce.net/ also has an excellent section to check out for
Easter Eggs.

3.N - Did Mark Hamill shout "Carrie" in Episode IV?

Taken From The Official Site - Urban Legends
http://www.starwars.com/episode-iv/feature/20000530/indexp3. html. (no longer
a valid link)

Actors do make mistakes. They are, after all, humans (even the computer-
generated ones, at heart). Since so much work has to go into turning an
on-set performance into a finished Star Wars movie, mistakes can be caught
and fixed by the many people who handle the film after the shooting is done.
Much of the sound heard in Star Wars was created and crafted after the
action had been shot. Though on-set microphones captured the live
performance as it occurred, many times actors had to come back in to loop
dialog. Even dialog that is captured on set is carefully mixed and massaged
by sound editors to achieve a certain consistency and interaction with other
added sound effects. In the end, so many people scrutinize the audio
recording that it seems unlikely that such a gaff could have gotten through.

So, while it indeed sounds like "Carrie!" to many people, in the finished
film, that's not what Mark Hamill says. What does he say? While putting
together the improved soundtrack for the Special Edition Trilogy, sound
editor Ben Burtt investigated the matter. All the original tracks, 1/4-inch
tapes, and source materials were pulled out from storage, and listened to in
a big mix room at Skywalker Sound. "We made loops out of everything Mark
said and played them for a panel of listeners," says Burtt. "We edited the
recording and filtered it and did everything we could to clean up the phrase
where he yells as he hugs Princess Leia."

The audio investigation included numerous takes of Mark Hamill recording
that scene. "The consensus was that he is yelling 'hey' or 'yay,' rather
than 'Carrie.' In other takes he specifically yells 'yay!' at that point,"
explains Burtt. "Like most garbled dialog, if you listen to it over and over
with all the other voices in there you can convince yourself that he is
saying 'Carrie' or any number of things. But we were convinced that he
really was just cheering." According to Mark Hamill, he excitedly yells
"Hey! There she is!" indicating that Luke was scanning the rushing crowd for
Leia. In the excitement, Luke doesn't stop to enunciate each syllable like a
certain golden protocol droid would do. "I ended up swallowing the 'is'
part," says Hamill. So the end result was garbled to the point that some
people believe it sounds an awful lot like "Carrie!" So much so that even
those closely involved in the production can hear that if they listen to it
enough times.

*4* SPOILERS *4*

4.A - What is a spoiler?

As far as AFS is concerned, a spoiler is a post or part of a post which
contains information which might ruin the element of surprise within a
movie, book, video game, or comic. Spoilers can often be accidentally placed
in message headers as well as the message itself.

4.B - What are some examples of spoilers?

In order to be a spoiler, the info present would concern an upcoming
production of Star Wars which hasn't yet been seen; such as the TV series or
a new book. The information remains a spoiler until fans worldwide have had
a chance to see it for themselves. This means that even if you've seen
something on the day of release you should be aware that the info is a
spoiler until people everywhere have had a reasonable chance to see it too.
Here are some spoiler examples, although they are not factual.

i) Luke is eaten by Chewbacca!!!

ii) Jango Fett is a woman!!!

iii) Jar Jar is Anakin's brother!!!

iv) The Millennium Falcon belongs to R2-D2!!!

4.C - What if my spoiler is speculation?

This is kind of a slippery slope issue. Some people make educated guesses,
based on what they know, about what will happen in future productions.
Unfortunately they usually base their guesses on spoiler information and
unintentionally give something away.

4.D - Why do some people not like spoilers?

Let's go back in time to opening night of ESB. You're waiting in line, and
you cannot wait to get inside to see the movie. As the crowds for the
previous showing exit the theatre, one bozo shouts out... "I can't believe
Vader is LUKE'S FATHER!!!" or "Man, I can't believe Solo was captured!!!" I
don't know about you, but that would've really sucked. Well, most people
don't like to know that sort of thing before they've seen the movie, and
some don't even like to see ANYTHING before the film.

4.E - How can I avoid being offensive with spoilers?

General netiquette suggests that you warn people of spoilers contained in
your postings. This will give readers the option of spoiling a part of the
movie.

i) Place a warning in the header such as [SPOILER]

ii) Do not place spoiler info in header

iii) Include 20 lines of non-blank spoiler space in body

iv) Do not mention spoiler info in unmarked posts

4.F - What happens when I post spoiler material inappropriately?

Let's say you post something extremely inappropriate, such as information
concerning the death of a major character. "****** dies in new Star Wars TV
series!!!" This is rather sensitive material and the majority of people here
on Usenet probably try to avoid such plot revealers. In addition to that,
you post other spoiler info in the body of the message without spoiler
space. Let's go back to the ESB theatre scene... some moron blurts out some
major plot happenings after seeing the movie, and there are several fans
waiting in line to see the next showing. One would assume that this idiot
would get his head bashed in by a mob of pissed off Star Wars fanatics,
right? OF COURSE. As for Usenet, physical torture is usually not an option,
so the users fall back on other forms of aggression. Flaming will occur, as
will lectures concerning the inappropriate actions. You will likely be
killfiled as well, seeing as most users wouldn't want to see if you are a
repeat offender. So, as you can see, being naughty in newsgroups will result
in your being banned by the other users. Also keep in mind that if you
repeat your offences often enough, some may take their case to your ISP,
which would be bad.

*5* BINARIES *5*

5.A - What is a binary?

A binary is any kind of non-text portion of a message, including but not
limited to pictures, movie clips, sound clips, zip files, programs, word
processing documents, happy99.exe files, etc.

5.B - Where should I post a binary?

news:alt.binaries.starwars OR you can provide a link to the binary that you
feel we should all know about or you can inform us as to its existence on
ABS. Alternatively if you have a web site put it up there and post the link
here with a description.

5.C - Why shouldn't I post the binary here?

Using the web as a base for this information, it should be quite obvious
that text based web pages load up MUCH faster than pages with music,
graphics, etc. This principle applies to Usenet as well. Many individuals
find it to be a nuisance, if we want a binary, we'll go to a binary
newsgroup. Others have to pay a time-based internet rate, which increases
with every post, more-so with binaries. There is also the fact that all
newsgroups have a finite amount of space allocated to them. As the
information in the newsgroup exceeds that space, the older posts are removed
to compensate.

5.D - What will happen if I post a binary in AFS?

Most people get a first chance, but it's a real easy way to get killfiled,
and you will probably be flamed for this as well.

*6* ADVERTISEMENTS *6*

6.A - What falls into the category of advertisements?

An advertisement is defined as a notice designed to gain public attention or
patronage. This primarily applies to sales/auction posts as well as
trading/wanted posts but it could also include a number of other things. Web
site promotions are 'ok', but they are discouraged unless the site
correlates to AFS in some manner. XXX promotions are NOT ALLOWED. We also do
not care for eBay posts. When it comes to Star Wars toys please do not try
to sell them but the occasional conversation is not discouraged.

6.B - Why are my advertisements not wanted?

If we want to see what eBay has to offer, we'll visit the site. If we want
vintage action figures, we'll look on one of the collecting sites.
Advertisements clutter up the newsgroup disrupting the normal flow of
traffic on AFS.

6.C - Where should I post my advertisements?

Although advertisements might be considered unacceptable in other newsgroups
too you may reach a more receptive audience in one of the collecting groups
such as news:rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.misc or
news:rec.arts.sf.starwars.collecting.vintage.

6.D - What happens if I ignore these guidelines?

You will probably be flamed upon your first offence, and after repeat
offences, you will be killfiled (ignored). In either case you're unlikely to
generate any interest in your product in this newsgroup and therefore would
be wasting your time and energy, not to mention the fact that people may
decide to boycott your auctions altogether.

*7* TROLLS *7*

7.A - What is Trolling?

The use of the word "trolling" comes from the fishing technique where a
baited hook is dragged through the water, in an attempt to attract and catch
a fish. Usenet trolling is the act of posting an article, or "troll" *baited
hook* in a Usenet newsgroup *the water* with the intention of attracting the
native inhabitants *groupers* and provoking an emotional response *caught*.
The phrase was originally coined as "Trolling for flames", where the posters
intention was to incite a "flame war", the Usenet intellectual equivalents
of a bar fight.

7.B - What is a Troll?

It is convenient that the word "troll" has multiple meanings. Aside from the
fishing example above, "troll" also is the name of a mythical creature,
generally thought of as ugly, fat, cantankerous, wart-covered, smelly, and
completely unlikable. Since trolling is typically thought of as a detestable
and unsavoury activity performed by loathsome, contemptible hooligans, the
name "troll" fits them quite well. There are two basic troll species. Those
with overactive minds *busy brain, ADHD, whatever you want to call it*
constantly seek out new sources of mental stimuli. For these, newsgroup
satire acts as a sort of *Mental Floss*. And there are those who are
permanently disgruntled, or "physically short changed" in some way and seek
out ways to compensate for their shortcomings through vicious personal
attacks against others in order to achieve a *Mental Erection*. These, while
potentially entertaining, generally do not follow R.A.T. - Rules of
Acceptable Trolling.

7.C - Why do Trolls troll?

There are as many reasons as there are trolls. Many trolls are just
practical jokers attempting to amuse themselves and their audience. Some
have genuine animosity toward a particular group or individual that they
believe has done them wrong. Some are just loathsome, contemptible hooligans
bent on disrupting the ordinarily peaceful exchange of useful information
for their own perverted pleasure. Usenet provides a medium to create and
express oneself, and gives the added dimension of anonymity, allowing the
troll to create and express emotions, thoughts and ideas that he/she might
not ordinarily express. For many, Usenet is the first and only place their
creative works will ever be "published".

7.D - What do I do if I see a Troll?

This is more a matter of personal taste, but here are a few tactics that you
can use...

i) Ignore the troll post, responding to a troll only encourages him or her
to repeat their actions.

ii) Give them an emotionless response saying that their behaviour is not
warranted. It's no fun to read serious posts if you're a troll.

iii) Killfile the troll. It is considered that this action to be warranted
only after a repeat offence. Plonk at will.

iv) DON`T threaten to report them to their ISP, this just causes them to
troll more.

v) DO Report them to their ISP - only in the most severe circumstances.
Cross-posting ridiculous posts is just kids play and it is not acknowledged
as a serious offence... the Troll is easily killfiled... even if they do
change their names frequently, it only takes another click and they're gone.

vi) Don`t FEED the Trolls... KILL them!

Contributions by: Bags; John Donchig; Guardian; Don Kuenz; Chris Pastor;
SGHB; PhantomShadow; Nathan Butler; Brett McConnie and Karrde.

END OF FAQ
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