| the abomination [message #163144] |
Mo, 07 November 2005 06:31 |
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"tolkien" (it's obvious that wasn't his real name) was a fifth-rate
propagandist, a party hack whose lies about balrogs, orcs, white mice
in kaftans, and practically everything else weren't even very *good*
lies (though at least they helped pay for the dope). take, for example,
shagrat. would anyone reading tolkien's screed believe that, as lang
(2005) has shown conclusively, shagrat was a refined, sensitive soul
who sang madrigals in a not unpleasing falsetto voice, accompanying
himself on the dulcimer, and that his crotcheting was admired
throughout middle-earth? aragorn and gandalf burned all his sonnets,
laughing sarcastically. jerks.
saruman, far from the incompetent power-mad traitor depicted by
"tolkien," was a dearly beloved schoolteacher. he wd puff on his pipe
and sing "yellow submarine" (lang, 2005) he hung out with left-wing
balrogs (beamused, 2005). his art students loved him. he wd smeat
himself with paint, earning the nickname "saruman of many colors"
(lang, 2005). for he loved art so much that he made *himself* a work
of art. needless to say, that crack addict gandalf scuttled the
submarine.
and this is only the tip of the iceberg.
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| Re: the abomination [message #163145 ] |
Mo, 07 November 2005 08:10 |
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Count Menelvagor wrote:
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> saruman, far from the incompetent power-mad traitor depicted by
> "tolkien," was a dearly beloved schoolteacher. he wd puff on his pipe
> and sing "yellow submarine" (lang, 2005) he hung out with left-wing
> balrogs (beamused, 2005). his art students loved him. he wd smeat
> himself with paint, earning the nickname "saruman of many colors"
> (lang, 2005). for he loved art so much that he made *himself* a work
> of art. needless to say, that crack addict gandalf scuttled the
> submarine.
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> and this is only the tip of the iceberg.
Although some scholars (Khamul, 1044) say that it was the
iceberg that scuttled the submarine and this is only the
tip of the Gandalf.
Morgil
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| Re: the abomination [message #164829 ] |
Mo, 07 November 2005 21:27 |
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Count Menelvagor schreef:
> "tolkien" (it's obvious that wasn't his real name) was a fifth-rate
> propagandist, a party hack whose lies about balrogs, orcs, white mice
> in kaftans, and practically everything else weren't even very *good*
> lies (though at least they helped pay for the dope). take, for example,
> shagrat. would anyone reading tolkien's screed believe that, as lang
> (2005) has shown conclusively, shagrat was a refined, sensitive soul
> who sang madrigals in a not unpleasing falsetto voice (snip)
The lies "Tolkien" spread about Shagrat's not unpleasing falsetto voice
and his refined choice of words, culminate in the sentence: "Shagrat's
voice trailed off into a string of foul names and curses". (From a
propagandist writing with, IIRC, the ridiculous title of: 'The Lord of
the Rings'). As Saruman pointed out to his art students, this was out
of jealousy, as the party hack "Tolkien" is said to have had an
extremely croaking voice, apart from being a bad fifth-rate
propaganda- leaflet writer.
Henriette
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| Re: the abomination [message #164857 ] |
Di, 08 November 2005 07:17 |
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Morgil wrote:
> Count Menelvagor wrote:
> <snip>
> > and this is only the tip of the iceberg.
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> Although some scholars (Khamul, 1044) say that it was the
> iceberg that scuttled the submarine and this is only the
> tip of the Gandalf.
well, these are precisely the sorts of issues we shd be discussing.
but no one cares. and don't get me started on how "tolkien"'s minions
have completed censored khamul's contributions to our understanding of
middle-earth.
in light of lang's discovery that the fellowship of the ring were
actually a rather poor rock band called "fellowship of the sing", it is
interesting to note that the nazgul were one of the premier opera
companies of the time. so why did "tolkien" depict them as nasty
screaming wraiths with bad breath?
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| Re: the abomination [message #164859 ] |
Di, 08 November 2005 14:46 |
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Count Menelvagor wrote:
> it is
>interesting to note that the nazgul were one of the premier opera
>companies of the time. so why did "tolkien" depict them as nasty
>screaming wraiths with bad breath?
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Perhaps he'd seen seen Wagner's treatment of the Ring one time too many.
Once surely would have done it.
Pete H
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The universe is largely unexplored.
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| Re: the abomination [message #164869 ] |
Di, 08 November 2005 19:14 |
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Noh Phu Ling wrote:
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> Count Menelvagor wrote:
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> > it is
> >interesting to note that the nazgul were one of the premier opera
> >companies of the time. so why did "tolkien" depict them as nasty
> >screaming wraiths with bad breath?
> Perhaps he'd seen seen Wagner's treatment
> of the Ring one time too many.
> Once surely would have done it.
>
> Pete H
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> --
> The universe is largely unexplored.
> NPR News item
Once, aye, once no doubt was what did it.
But twice, twice proved he had far too much time on his hands.
And that third time, that finished him for good.
M.
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| Re: the abomination [message #164893 ] |
Mi, 09 November 2005 06:51 |
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Noh Phu Ling wrote:
> Count Menelvagor wrote:
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> > it is
> >interesting to note that the nazgul were one of the premier opera
> >companies of the time. so why did "tolkien" depict them as nasty
> >screaming wraiths with bad breath?
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> Perhaps he'd seen seen Wagner's treatment of the Ring one time too many.
> Once surely would have done it.
yes, and there has been speculation that "tolkien" was really wagner's
bastard nephew. further, the nazgul called aragorn "elessar formerly
known as prince," as lang has clearly shown.
but llet us move on to "tolkien's" much vaunted philology. he plainly
wanted to hide the fact that orcs were the spiritual masters of
middle-earth - in fact, gurus. "guru" > "urug"? as forbes points out
(2005): "how subtle IS tolkien?" although admittedly one has to make
allowances for a pamphleteer who cd barely read or write.
and he carefully concealed the fact that westron "snorpmiff," meaning
some gadren thing or other (possibly an orgy?), was shortened to
"zorgmil" by hobbits because of their inferior intellect.
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| Re: the abomination [message #164908 ] |
Do, 10 November 2005 18:39 |
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 08:46:15 -0500, Noh Phu Ling <pmhilton [at] mfx.net>
wrote:
>Count Menelvagor wrote:
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>> it is
>>interesting to note that the nazgul were one of the premier opera
>>companies of the time. so why did "tolkien" depict them as nasty
>>screaming wraiths with bad breath?
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>Perhaps he'd seen seen Wagner's treatment of the Ring one time too many.
>Once surely would have done it.
Oh, come on. I'm sure that Wagner's opera aren't really as bad as they
sound.
Jim Deutch (JimboCat)
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"Take your finished text and wherever you find the word 'very,'
substitute 'damn.' The editor will then remove all the 'damn's
and your prose will be much improved." - Mark Twain's advice to writers
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| Re: the abomination [message #164910 ] |
Do, 10 November 2005 18:56 |
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JimboCat wrote:
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>Oh, come on. I'm sure that Wagner's opera aren't really as bad as they
>sound.
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>Jim Deutch (JimboCat)
>--
>"Take your finished text and wherever you find the word 'very,'
>substitute 'damn.' The editor will then remove all the 'damn's
>and your prose will be much improved." - Mark Twain's advice to writers
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Cool that you should have a Mark Twain tagline. I was going to respond
that Twain observed something to the effect that Wagner's music sounds
better than it is. Further, attending a performance of Wagner, after an
hour's listening he consulted his watch to find only 10 minutes had gone by.
At a trade fair in my town an audio-video salesman cranked up some demos
on a machine surely designed for Cinerama and announced with glee, "Ah!
A little Wagner!" To this I responded, "There's no such thing as 'a
little Wagner!'"
Pete H
--
The universe is largely unexplored.
NPR News item
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