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Science Fiction » alt.fan.starwars » Yoda and Kenobi
Yoda and Kenobi [message #162289] So, 06 November 2005 08:03
Michael Scheltgen  
Hi, This might be a dumb question, but why didn't Yoda and
Kenobi go together to kill the emperor then go kill Vader? Thanks.
Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #162292 ] So, 06 November 2005 15:11
seanocity  
Michael Scheltgen wrote:
> Hi, This might be a dumb question, but why didn't Yoda and
> Kenobi go together to kill the emperor then go kill Vader? Thanks.

Because time was probably of the essence and they realized they needed
to deal with Vader while he was on his own and not either in transit to
or back on Coruscant.

And I think Yoda must've sensed help was on the way to the Emperor when
he decided to escape the Senate chambers and abandon his fight with the
Emperor.

--
Sean
Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #162297 ] So, 06 November 2005 19:01
Scarfman  
"Michael Scheltgen" <mjs818 [at] mail.usask.ca> wrote in message
news:UUhbf.419385$1i.377415 [at] pd7tw2no...
> Hi, This might be a dumb question, but why didn't Yoda and Kenobi go
> together to kill the emperor then go kill Vader? Thanks.

Because the whole story doesn't make sense anyway.
Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #162323 ] Mo, 07 November 2005 03:19
Godzilla1171  
Yeah Yoda had to go into exile, but its not explained why. Why the hell
couldnt they go back and fight the Emperor a week later. Why didnt
Obi-Wan finish Anakin off? Lucas just had to explain a reason for 4-6,
not give logical explanations.
Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #162325 ] Mo, 07 November 2005 03:48
dullard  
<Godzilla1171 [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:1131329942.506335.326140 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Yeah Yoda had to go into exile, but its not explained why. Why the hell
> couldnt they go back and fight the Emperor a week later. Why didnt
> Obi-Wan finish Anakin off? Lucas just had to explain a reason for 4-6,
> not give logical explanations.
>
"A Jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense; never for attack." - Yoda
Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #163623 ] Mo, 07 November 2005 17:23
graham  
If yoda says "A Jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense; never for
attack." why does he tell Luke to go and pick a fight with Vader in ESB to
complete his training....he should have told him to make Vader breakfast in
bed or offer to bring his dog for a walk or take out the imperial trash ot
something?!

"Anonymous" <none> wrote in message
news:N4ednbpv9voWXfPenZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
>
> <Godzilla1171 [at] aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1131329942.506335.326140 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > Yeah Yoda had to go into exile, but its not explained why. Why the hell
> > couldnt they go back and fight the Emperor a week later. Why didnt
> > Obi-Wan finish Anakin off? Lucas just had to explain a reason for 4-6,
> > not give logical explanations.
> >
> "A Jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense; never for attack." -
Yoda
>
>
Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #163627 ] Mo, 07 November 2005 19:01
tom  
That was Return of the Jedi. But on your line of thinking, why did Mace
decide Palpy was too dangerous to be kept alive? Even Sidious aludes to all
this by saying that Dooku was too dangerous to be kept alive. So I too
wonder what the motives were for going into hiding.

--
Tom
"Do, or do not. There is no try" (Yoda, 1980).
"Graham" <ghill [at] iol.ie> wrote in message
news:dknus5$8fj$1 [at] reader01.news.esat.net...
> If yoda says "A Jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense; never for
> attack." why does he tell Luke to go and pick a fight with Vader in ESB to
> complete his training....he should have told him to make Vader breakfast
in
> bed or offer to bring his dog for a walk or take out the imperial trash ot
> something?!
>
> "Anonymous" <none> wrote in message
> news:N4ednbpv9voWXfPenZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
> >
> > <Godzilla1171 [at] aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:1131329942.506335.326140 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > > Yeah Yoda had to go into exile, but its not explained why. Why the
hell
> > > couldnt they go back and fight the Emperor a week later. Why didnt
> > > Obi-Wan finish Anakin off? Lucas just had to explain a reason for 4-6,
> > > not give logical explanations.
> > >
> > "A Jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense; never for attack." -
> Yoda
> >
> >
>
>
Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #163630 ] Mo, 07 November 2005 20:08
Grue  
wrote:

> Yeah Yoda had to go into exile, but its not explained why.

He was the only one powerful enough to destroy the Sith Lord Darth
Sidious / Emperor Palpatine. He failed in doing so. Palpatine knew he
survived, and would look in the obvious places for him to kill him, and
to lure him out, he would harm those that Yoda cared about. Why would
Sidious want to kill him? Because he was a threat to his power and his
rule. Yoda's only choice was to exile himself in a place where nobody
would find him so he could survive long enough to train Luke or Leia, the
son and daughter of the most powerful force user ever, the one of
prophecy. Yoda had to hide until Luke and Leia were old enough to be able
to be trained in the ways of the force, to help destroy the Sith. And in
order for them to age, they had to survive as well.

> Why the hell couldnt they go back and fight the Emperor a week later.

Because he would be expecting it, and be better prepared for it. Beefed
up security, Vader never leaving his side, weapons all under his robes,
more practice of his dark arts...and Yoda would get his ass handed to him
again, but even worse.

> Why didnt Obi-Wan finish Anakin off?

This has been discussed to death in here. Anakin at the point where Obi-
Wan walked away was unarmed...literally...no legs...and ON FIRE. To just
lob his head off would be no better than Anakin killing Dooku. He left
Anakin's fate to the will of the force. To murder him wouldn't be an act
of mercy. It would be a trip to the Dark Side.

> Lucas just had to explain a reason for 4-6, not give logical
> explanations.

If you don't like the answers (which have been given a billion times),
stop asking the questions.



--
-Grue
------------------------------------------------------------ -------
An unbreakable toy is good for breaking other toys.
Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #163632 ] Mo, 07 November 2005 21:12
Godzilla1171  
Grue wrote:
> wrote:
>
> > Yeah Yoda had to go into exile, but its not explained why.
>
> He was the only one powerful enough to destroy the Sith Lord Darth
> Sidious / Emperor Palpatine. He failed in doing so. Palpatine knew he
> survived, and would look in the obvious places for him to kill him, and
> to lure him out, he would harm those that Yoda cared about. Why would
> Sidious want to kill him? Because he was a threat to his power and his
> rule. Yoda's only choice was to exile himself in a place where nobody
> would find him so he could survive long enough to train Luke or Leia, the
> son and daughter of the most powerful force user ever, the one of
> prophecy. Yoda had to hide until Luke and Leia were old enough to be able
> to be trained in the ways of the force, to help destroy the Sith. And in
> order for them to age, they had to survive as well.
>
> > Why the hell couldnt they go back and fight the Emperor a week later.
>
> Because he would be expecting it, and be better prepared for it. Beefed
> up security, Vader never leaving his side, weapons all under his robes,
> more practice of his dark arts...and Yoda would get his ass handed to him
> again, but even worse.
>
> > Why didnt Obi-Wan finish Anakin off?
>
> This has been discussed to death in here. Anakin at the point where Obi-
> Wan walked away was unarmed...literally...no legs...and ON FIRE. To just
> lob his head off would be no better than Anakin killing Dooku. He left
> Anakin's fate to the will of the force. To murder him wouldn't be an act
> of mercy. It would be a trip to the Dark Side.

What the hell are you talking about 'left Anakin's fate to the will of
the force'? Yoda sent Obi-Wan to murder Anakin. He was SUPPOSE to kill
him. And Yoda was trying to kill the Emperor. Trip to the dark side?
Give me a break. He didnt go to the dark side when he MURDERED Darth
Maul. And how many people did the Jedi kill in battles? Stop trying to
answer questions when you dont know what the fuck you are talking
about.
Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #163633 ] Mo, 07 November 2005 21:16
Godzilla1171  
> If you don't like the answers (which have been given a billion times),
> stop asking the questions.

> Grue

Well some people aren't in here everyday dickweed.
Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #163635 ] Mo, 07 November 2005 21:44
Scarfman  
"Tom" <moondok [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:EDMbf.3397$4l5.579 [at] dukeread05...
> That was Return of the Jedi. But on your line of thinking, why did Mace
> decide Palpy was too dangerous to be kept alive? Even Sidious aludes to
> all
> this by saying that Dooku was too dangerous to be kept alive. So I too
> wonder what the motives were for going into hiding.

The motives are that the whole plotline is garbage.
Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #163638 ] Mo, 07 November 2005 21:48
dullard  
<Godzilla1171 [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:1131394347.411386.241380 [at] g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Grue wrote:
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Yeah Yoda had to go into exile, but its not explained why.
>>
>> He was the only one powerful enough to destroy the Sith Lord Darth
>> Sidious / Emperor Palpatine. He failed in doing so. Palpatine knew he
>> survived, and would look in the obvious places for him to kill him, and
>> to lure him out, he would harm those that Yoda cared about. Why would
>> Sidious want to kill him? Because he was a threat to his power and his
>> rule. Yoda's only choice was to exile himself in a place where nobody
>> would find him so he could survive long enough to train Luke or Leia, the
>> son and daughter of the most powerful force user ever, the one of
>> prophecy. Yoda had to hide until Luke and Leia were old enough to be able
>> to be trained in the ways of the force, to help destroy the Sith. And in
>> order for them to age, they had to survive as well.
>>
>> > Why the hell couldnt they go back and fight the Emperor a week later.
>>
>> Because he would be expecting it, and be better prepared for it. Beefed
>> up security, Vader never leaving his side, weapons all under his robes,
>> more practice of his dark arts...and Yoda would get his ass handed to him
>> again, but even worse.
>>
>> > Why didnt Obi-Wan finish Anakin off?
>>
>> This has been discussed to death in here. Anakin at the point where Obi-
>> Wan walked away was unarmed...literally...no legs...and ON FIRE. To just
>> lob his head off would be no better than Anakin killing Dooku. He left
>> Anakin's fate to the will of the force. To murder him wouldn't be an act
>> of mercy. It would be a trip to the Dark Side.
>
> What the hell are you talking about 'left Anakin's fate to the will of
> the force'? Yoda sent Obi-Wan to murder Anakin. He was SUPPOSE to kill
> him. And Yoda was trying to kill the Emperor. Trip to the dark side?
> Give me a break. He didnt go to the dark side when he MURDERED Darth
> Maul. And how many people did the Jedi kill in battles? Stop trying to
> answer questions when you dont know what the fuck you are talking
> about.
>

Yoda sent him to kill Anakin because Anakin and the Emporer were trying to
wipe out the Jedi. Its called self defense. He didn't finish Anakin off
because he was unarmed. The sith are the aggressors, they are capable of
doing absolutely anything because they place no limits on their actions and
behavior. That is why they appear to be more powerful.
Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #163641 ] Mo, 07 November 2005 22:26
Godzilla1171  
Yoda sent him to kill Anakin because Anakin and the Emporer were trying
to
wipe out the Jedi. Its called self defense. He didn't finish Anakin
off
because he was unarmed. The sith are the aggressors, they are capable
of
doing absolutely anything because they place no limits on their actions
and
behavior. That is why they appear to be more powerful.


And thats why Anankin should have been killed.

The Jedi were all dead when Yoda sent Obi-Wan.

Mace was gonna kill the Emperor, who wasnt "armed".

Yoda tried to kill the Emperor, who wasnt "armed".
Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #163642 ] Mo, 07 November 2005 22:35
Bill in NC  
Grue wrote:
> wrote:
>
>
>>Yeah Yoda had to go into exile, but its not explained why.
>
>
> He was the only one powerful enough to destroy the Sith Lord Darth
> Sidious / Emperor Palpatine. He failed in doing so. Palpatine knew he
> survived, and would look in the obvious places for him to kill him, and
> to lure him out, he would harm those that Yoda cared about. Why would
> Sidious want to kill him? Because he was a threat to his power and his
> rule. Yoda's only choice was to exile himself in a place where nobody
> would find him so he could survive long enough to train Luke or Leia, the
> son and daughter of the most powerful force user ever, the one of
> prophecy. Yoda had to hide until Luke and Leia were old enough to be able
> to be trained in the ways of the force, to help destroy the Sith. And in
> order for them to age, they had to survive as well.


one issue with this....at the young age of about 10, the Jedi
council refused to train Anakin because he was too old. Why would
Yoda and Ben not take Luke to Dagobah immediately as an infant and
begin the training at age 2-3 (or whatever it is) when they normally
start training?

Lea obviously had a family (Organa's) to take her, but Luke did not.
Instead Yoda told Ben to take him to his family on Tatooine and
watch over him. Why not take Luke with him to Dagobah? Or have
both Ben and Yoda train him on Dagobah? Instead Ben takes him to
the Lars family and doesn't have any direct contact with until
C3PO and R2-D2 show up.

Let's say the correct training age is 6 or whatever, why didn't Ben
take him to Yoda then?

Doesn't make sense to me.....

Cheers,
Bill in NC.

>
>
>>Why the hell couldnt they go back and fight the Emperor a week later.
>
>
> Because he would be expecting it, and be better prepared for it. Beefed
> up security, Vader never leaving his side, weapons all under his robes,
> more practice of his dark arts...and Yoda would get his ass handed to him
> again, but even worse.
>
>
>>Why didnt Obi-Wan finish Anakin off?
>
>
> This has been discussed to death in here. Anakin at the point where Obi-
> Wan walked away was unarmed...literally...no legs...and ON FIRE. To just
> lob his head off would be no better than Anakin killing Dooku. He left
> Anakin's fate to the will of the force. To murder him wouldn't be an act
> of mercy. It would be a trip to the Dark Side.
>
>
>>Lucas just had to explain a reason for 4-6, not give logical
>>explanations.
>
>
> If you don't like the answers (which have been given a billion times),
> stop asking the questions.
>
>
>
Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #163647 ] Di, 08 November 2005 00:08
Solon  
_Godzilla1171 [at] aol.com_ spoke thusly:
> What the hell are you talking about 'left Anakin's fate to the will of
> the force'? Yoda sent Obi-Wan to murder Anakin. He was SUPPOSE to kill
> him.

I also have to disagree with 'left Anakin's fate to the will of the
force'. It was much simpler. Anakin had lost his legs, and caught on
fire. He wasn't going to survive on his own; so in the eyes of Obi-wan,
he had succeeded in killing Anakin.
--
usenetsolon [at] gmail.com
Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #163648 ] Di, 08 November 2005 00:11
Solon  
_Godzilla1171 [at] aol.com_ spoke thusly:
>> If you don't like the answers (which have been given a billion times),
>> stop asking the questions.
>
> Well some people aren't in here everyday dickweed.

It is common practise, and good usenet etiquette to read through a
newsgroup before posting; and if you have a question, to search the
newsgroup before posting. It's ironic that you are using Google Groups
to post. Archiving a searching usenet, is primarily why Google Groups
exist. :-)
--
usenetsolon [at] gmail.com
Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #163659 ] Di, 08 November 2005 05:31
Grue  
wrote:

> What the hell are you talking about 'left Anakin's fate to the will of
> the force'? Yoda sent Obi-Wan to murder Anakin.

He sent him to kill Anakin for what he had done. Not MURDER him. When he
walked away, he had no arms, no legs, and was on fire. He couldn't finish
him off, but wouldn't do anything to help him, either. If he survived, it
was just what was meant to be. The will of the force....

> He was SUPPOSE to kill him. And Yoda was trying to kill the Emperor.

Yup. Palpatine wasn't unarmed and defenseless. Palpatine didn't have all
of his arms and legs cut off. Palpatine wasn't on fire.

> Trip to the dark side?

Yup.

> He didnt go to the dark side when he MURDERED Darth>
Maul.

Maul wasn't unarmed and defenseless. Maul didn't have all of his arms and
legs cut off. Maul wasn't on fire.

> And how many people did the Jedi kill in battles?

Lots of people...who *weren't* unarmed and defenseless, missing their
arms and legs, nor were they on fire at the time.

> Stop trying to answer questions when you dont know what the fuck you
> are talking about.

I'm sorry. Did I paint too tame a picture of your precious Jedi for you
little boy? It's O.K. You can still put on your mother's bath robe and go
out in the front yard and beat your cat with your toy lightsaber. The cat
doesn't read usenet and will still think you're a badass.

--
-Grue
------------------------------------------------------------ -------
An unbreakable toy is good for breaking other toys.
Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #163660 ] Di, 08 November 2005 05:34
Grue  
wrote:

> Mace was gonna kill the Emperor, who wasnt "armed".

But he wasn't defenseless, either (BTW, he still ended up electrifying
Mace and knocking him out a window). Nor was he on fire, missing both
arms, missing both legs, and dying.

> Yoda tried to kill the Emperor, who wasnt "armed".

And Yoda wasn't armed, either. It was still a fair fight. That's why they
resorted to throwing senate pods at each other, BTW.

--
-Grue
------------------------------------------------------------ -------
An unbreakable toy is good for breaking other toys.
Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #163661 ] Di, 08 November 2005 05:36
Grue  
wrote:

> Well some people aren't in here everyday dickweed.

You forgot the comma. It should be after "everyday" and before "dickweed".

Now go to bed. You have school tomorrow.

--
-Grue
------------------------------------------------------------ -------
An unbreakable toy is good for breaking other toys.
Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #163662 ] Di, 08 November 2005 05:39
Grue  
Bill in NC wrote:

> Instead Ben takes him to
> the Lars family and doesn't have any direct contact with until
> C3PO and R2-D2 show up.

Well, IMHO, it was a sign to Ben when Luke showed up with *those* two
droids, that the time had come. Fate and destiny had brought Luke to him.
Finding him was no accident, it was te will of the force.

--
-Grue
------------------------------------------------------------ -------
An unbreakable toy is good for breaking other toys.
Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #163676 ] Di, 08 November 2005 12:13
Michael Scheltgen  
Grue wrote:
>
>
> Because he would be expecting it, and be better prepared for it. Beefed
> up security, Vader never leaving his side, weapons all under his robes,
> more practice of his dark arts...and Yoda would get his ass handed to him
> again, but even worse.

Hi, Yoda didn't have his ass handed to him. That was a draw.
Cheers,
Mike
Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #163680 ] Di, 08 November 2005 13:59
Andrew Murray  
I thought that Obiwan thought he had killed Anakin, or in the least, that he
wouldn't survive long. or be revived and saved and return - as Darth Vader.

<Godzilla1171 [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:1131329942.506335.326140 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Yeah Yoda had to go into exile, but its not explained why. Why the hell
> couldnt they go back and fight the Emperor a week later. Why didnt
> Obi-Wan finish Anakin off? Lucas just had to explain a reason for 4-6,
> not give logical explanations.
>
Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #163681 ] Di, 08 November 2005 14:47
Psyberowl  
"Bill in NC" <wmhudson [at] nc.rOADrUNNER.com> wrote in message
news:1131399116.932653 [at] sj-nntpcache-5...
> Grue wrote:
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Yeah Yoda had to go into exile, but its not explained why.
>>
>>
>> He was the only one powerful enough to destroy the Sith Lord Darth
>> Sidious / Emperor Palpatine. He failed in doing so. Palpatine knew he
>> survived, and would look in the obvious places for him to kill him, and
>> to lure him out, he would harm those that Yoda cared about. Why would
>> Sidious want to kill him? Because he was a threat to his power and his
>> rule. Yoda's only choice was to exile himself in a place where nobody
>> would find him so he could survive long enough to train Luke or Leia, the
>> son and daughter of the most powerful force user ever, the one of
>> prophecy. Yoda had to hide until Luke and Leia were old enough to be able
>> to be trained in the ways of the force, to help destroy the Sith. And in
>> order for them to age, they had to survive as well.
>
>
> one issue with this....at the young age of about 10, the Jedi
> council refused to train Anakin because he was too old. Why would
> Yoda and Ben not take Luke to Dagobah immediately as an infant and
> begin the training at age 2-3 (or whatever it is) when they normally
> start training?
>
> Lea obviously had a family (Organa's) to take her, but Luke did not.
> Instead Yoda told Ben to take him to his family on Tatooine and
> watch over him. Why not take Luke with him to Dagobah? Or have
> both Ben and Yoda train him on Dagobah? Instead Ben takes him to
> the Lars family and doesn't have any direct contact with until
> C3PO and R2-D2 show up.
>
> Let's say the correct training age is 6 or whatever, why didn't Ben
> take him to Yoda then?
>
> Doesn't make sense to me.....
>
> Cheers,
> Bill in NC.
>

I know there's a hatred of the novels among some here, but, in the Episode 3
Novelization, as Yoda's leaving the Senate Chamber, he realizes that it
wasn't just that he had failed, but that in the centuries (Millennia) since
the Sith & Jedi had been in conflict, the Sith had changed and evolved and
the Jedi had remained static. That statis had weakened the Order's ability
to confront the Sith as evidenced by Palpatine's defeat of Yoda. (the book
is much more metaphorical and metaphysical about the conflict in the Senate
Chamber) As a result of that, Yoda saw that if he held to all of the
practices that the Order embraced just before its fall, they would only fall
again the next time they confronted the Sith. Part of breaking with that
tradition was to allow the children to grow up away from the [spiritual]
conflict and away from Formal instruction until deemed to be ready.

Thanks

PsyberOwl
Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #163683 ] Di, 08 November 2005 16:47
Grue  
Michael Scheltgen wrote:

> Hi, Yoda didn't have his ass handed to him. That was a draw.
> Cheers,

Yoda retreated. He lost.

--
-Grue
------------------------------------------------------------ -------
An unbreakable toy is good for breaking other toys.
Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #163687 ] Di, 08 November 2005 22:07
SpammersDie  
"Bill in NC" <wmhudson [at] nc.rOADrUNNER.com> wrote in message
news:1131399116.932653 [at] sj-nntpcache-5...
> Grue wrote:
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Yeah Yoda had to go into exile, but its not explained why.
>>
>>
>> He was the only one powerful enough to destroy the Sith Lord Darth
>> Sidious / Emperor Palpatine. He failed in doing so. Palpatine knew he
>> survived, and would look in the obvious places for him to kill him, and
>> to lure him out, he would harm those that Yoda cared about. Why would
>> Sidious want to kill him? Because he was a threat to his power and his
>> rule. Yoda's only choice was to exile himself in a place where nobody
>> would find him so he could survive long enough to train Luke or Leia, the
>> son and daughter of the most powerful force user ever, the one of
>> prophecy. Yoda had to hide until Luke and Leia were old enough to be able
>> to be trained in the ways of the force, to help destroy the Sith. And in
>> order for them to age, they had to survive as well.
>
>
> one issue with this....at the young age of about 10, the Jedi
> council refused to train Anakin because he was too old. Why would
> Yoda and Ben not take Luke to Dagobah immediately as an infant and
> begin the training at age 2-3 (or whatever it is) when they normally
> start training?
>
> Lea obviously had a family (Organa's) to take her, but Luke did not.
> Instead Yoda told Ben to take him to his family on Tatooine and
> watch over him. Why not take Luke with him to Dagobah? Or have
> both Ben and Yoda train him on Dagobah? Instead Ben takes him to
> the Lars family and doesn't have any direct contact with until
> C3PO and R2-D2 show up.
>
> Let's say the correct training age is 6 or whatever, why didn't Ben
> take him to Yoda then?

"He's too old" came across the same way in TPM as it did in ESB - as well as
Obi's "I can't accept the mission to kill Anakin because he forget to send
me his schedule before he started slaughtering the Jedi."

It was a last-ditch pathetic attempt at an excuse to avoid accepting an
unpleasant duty that had little or nothing to do with the *real* reasons.
Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #163714 ] Mi, 09 November 2005 04:22
Solon  
_Grue_ spoke thusly:
> Michael Scheltgen wrote:
>
>> Hi, Yoda didn't have his ass handed to him. That was a draw.
>> Cheers,
>
> Yoda retreated. He lost.

Does that mean Dooku lost against Yoda?
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Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #163731 ] Mi, 09 November 2005 15:07
Grue  
Solon wrote:

> Does that mean Dooku lost against Yoda?

Yoda and Dooku reached a point where Dooku realised he was outmatched and
he pulled off a cowardly move to give him time to make his retreat.
Essentially, yes, you could say Dooku lost, but it wasn't his intention at
that point to kill Yoda...so he was really just getting the hell outta
there. He was there to bust up on Anakin and Obi-Wan; Yoda was a surprise.

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Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #163732 ] Mi, 09 November 2005 15:15
Grue  
Andrew Murray wrote:

> I thought that Obiwan thought he had killed Anakin, or in the least,
> that he wouldn't survive long.

He did...but left his fate to him....Obi didn't kill him, didn't help
him...he just walked away.



> or be revived and saved and return - as Darth Vader.

I know what you meant..."Black Suit / Iron Lung", but, technically
speaking he was "Darth Vader" when he invaded the Jedi Temple...so he was
already "Darth Vader"...nevermind having to "return - as Darth Vader".




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Re: Yoda and Kenobi [message #163749 ] Mi, 09 November 2005 22:02
Solon  
_Grue_ spoke thusly:
> Solon wrote:
>
>> Does that mean Dooku lost against Yoda?
>
> Yoda and Dooku reached a point where Dooku realised he was outmatched and
> he pulled off a cowardly move to give him time to make his retreat.
> Essentially, yes, you could say Dooku lost, but it wasn't his intention at
> that point to kill Yoda...so he was really just getting the hell outta
> there. He was there to bust up on Anakin and Obi-Wan; Yoda was a surprise.

He wasn't there to "bust up on" anyone. All the CIS leaders were
retreating, and Dooku in particular, was trying to deliver the Death
Star plans to Sidious. He had no intention of duelling with anyone. And
according to Yoda, "Capture Dooku, we must. If escapes he does, he will
rally more systems to his cause."
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