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Aniken [message #162243] Sa, 05 November 2005 16:06
dullard  
What was Anikens biggest mistake?

A) Friendship with Palpatine

B) Attachment to Padme

C) His friendship with Palpatine (evil) came about because of his
attachments and desire to control.
Re: Aniken [message #162245 ] Sa, 05 November 2005 07:04
wahdidah  
That would be D.........never living down the shame of being an
exceptionally bright child in an advanced universe, yet still allowing
his mother to cut his hair via the 'bowl' method!

Anonymous wrote:

> What was Anikens biggest mistake?
>
> A) Friendship with Palpatine
>
> B) Attachment to Padme
>
> C) His friendship with Palpatine (evil) came about because of his
> attachments and desire to control.
>
>
>
Re: Aniken [message #162246 ] Sa, 05 November 2005 16:39
barber_anooooo  
"Anonymous" <none> wrote in message
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> What was Anikens biggest mistake?
>
> A) Friendship with Palpatine
>
> B) Attachment to Padme
>
> C) His friendship with Palpatine (evil) came about because of his
> attachments and desire to control.


None of the above

The biggest mistake was made by the Jedi Order. They wasted all their energy
defending the leadership and the status quo of the Republic. They did very
little to defend the ordinary citizens of the Republic. The majority likely
viewed the Jedi as a secretive and snobbish organization, hence it was easy
to believe the lies of the Emperor. The Jedi did nothing to eliminate other
evils in the Republic, such as slavery. They knew his mother was a slave.
but did not act to free her.
Re: Aniken [message #162248 ] Sa, 05 November 2005 07:30
wahdidah  
>
> The biggest mistake was made by the Jedi Order. They wasted all their energy
> defending the leadership and the status quo of the Republic. They did very
> little to defend the ordinary citizens of the Republic. The majority likely
> viewed the Jedi as a secretive and snobbish organization, hence it was easy
> to believe the lies of the Emperor. The Jedi did nothing to eliminate other
> evils in the Republic, such as slavery. They knew his mother was a slave.
> but did not act to free her.
>
>
>


hhhhmmm..........some things never change, huh? even in galaxies far far
away....
Re: Aniken [message #162259 ] Sa, 05 November 2005 21:05
B-Hate-Me  
<barber_anooooo [at] ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> The biggest mistake was made by the Jedi Order. They wasted all their
> energy defending the leadership and the status quo of the Republic. They
> did very little to defend the ordinary citizens of the Republic. The
> majority likely viewed the Jedi as a secretive and snobbish organization,
> hence it was easy to believe the lies of the Emperor. The Jedi did nothing
> to eliminate other evils in the Republic, such as slavery. They knew his
> mother was a slave. but did not act to free her.

I agree. The Jedi order is made up of homosexuals.
Re: Aniken [message #162268 ] Sa, 05 November 2005 22:39
dullard  
"Anonymous" <none> wrote in message
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> What was Anikens biggest mistake?
>
> A) Friendship with Palpatine
>
> B) Attachment to Padme
>
> C) His friendship with Palpatine (evil) came about because of his
> attachments and desire to control.

oops...its anakin, not aniken.
Re: Aniken [message #162272 ] Sa, 05 November 2005 15:07
wahdidah  
>
> oops...its anakin, not aniken.
>
>
>

OH! Well in that case.......it changes my answer completely! I'd say his
biggest mistake was infrequent trims and lack of proper hair conditioner!
Re: Aniken [message #162274 ] So, 06 November 2005 01:26
dullard  
<barber_anooooo [at] ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>
> "Anonymous" <none> wrote in message
> news:1vydndsbpsDzV_HenZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
>> What was Anikens biggest mistake?
>>
>> A) Friendship with Palpatine
>>
>> B) Attachment to Padme
>>
>> C) His friendship with Palpatine (evil) came about because of his
>> attachments and desire to control.
>
>
> None of the above
>
> The biggest mistake was made by the Jedi Order. They wasted all their
> energy defending the leadership and the status quo of the Republic. They
> did very little to defend the ordinary citizens of the Republic. The
> majority likely viewed the Jedi as a secretive and snobbish organization,
> hence it was easy to believe the lies of the Emperor. The Jedi did nothing
> to eliminate other evils in the Republic, such as slavery. They knew his
> mother was a slave. but did not act to free her.

Nobody said the Jedi were perfect and all powerful. Its a big galaxy; do
you expect them to completely eliminate all the evils in it? They failed
because they were decieved by an evil force. The dark side clouds
everything.
My question is whether Anakins attachment to Padme led to his friendship
with palpatine. He was willing to do absolutely anything so as not to lose
her, and that was an opening for the evil force to take hold of him.
Re: Aniken [message #162275 ] So, 06 November 2005 01:35
barber_anooooo  
"Anonymous" <none> wrote in message
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>
> <barber_anooooo [at] ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:Cm4bf.119364$Ph4.3662150 [at] ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
>>
>> "Anonymous" <none> wrote in message
>> news:1vydndsbpsDzV_HenZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
>>> What was Anikens biggest mistake?
>>>
>>> A) Friendship with Palpatine
>>>
>>> B) Attachment to Padme
>>>
>>> C) His friendship with Palpatine (evil) came about because of his
>>> attachments and desire to control.
>>
>>
>> None of the above
>>
>> The biggest mistake was made by the Jedi Order. They wasted all their
>> energy defending the leadership and the status quo of the Republic. They
>> did very little to defend the ordinary citizens of the Republic. The
>> majority likely viewed the Jedi as a secretive and snobbish organization,
>> hence it was easy to believe the lies of the Emperor. The Jedi did
>> nothing to eliminate other evils in the Republic, such as slavery. They
>> knew his mother was a slave. but did not act to free her.
>
> Nobody said the Jedi were perfect and all powerful. Its a big galaxy; do
> you expect them to completely eliminate all the evils in it? They failed
> because they were decieved by an evil force. The dark side clouds
> everything.
> My question is whether Anakins attachment to Padme led to his friendship
> with palpatine. He was willing to do absolutely anything so as not to
> lose her, and that was an opening for the evil force to take hold of him.


How much support did he recieve trying to save his mother? That lack of
support laid the groundwork for what he thought he had to do to save Padme
>
>
Re: Aniken [message #162280 ] So, 06 November 2005 03:55
DKM  
"Anonymous" <none> wrote in message
news:1vydndsbpsDzV_HenZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
> What was Anikens biggest mistake?
>
> A) Friendship with Palpatine
>
> B) Attachment to Padme
>
> C) His friendship with Palpatine (evil) came about because of his
> attachments and desire to control.

I would say his attachment to Padme'. That led to the to be a pawn of
Palpatine.

DKM
Re: Aniken [message #162281 ] So, 06 November 2005 04:00
DKM  
<barber_anooooo [at] ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>
> "Anonymous" <none> wrote in message
> news:1vydndsbpsDzV_HenZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
>> What was Anikens biggest mistake?
>>
>> A) Friendship with Palpatine
>>
>> B) Attachment to Padme
>>
>> C) His friendship with Palpatine (evil) came about because of his
>> attachments and desire to control.
>
>
> None of the above
>
> The biggest mistake was made by the Jedi Order. They wasted all their
> energy defending the leadership and the status quo of the Republic. They
> did very little to defend the ordinary citizens of the Republic. The
> majority likely viewed the Jedi as a secretive and snobbish organization,
> hence it was easy to believe the lies of the Emperor. The Jedi did nothing
> to eliminate other evils in the Republic, such as slavery. They knew his
> mother was a slave. but did not act to free her.

The Jedi were not a group of "do gooders" out end evil in the galaxy, they
were servants of the Senate who were keepers of peace and justice, as
defined by the Senate.

Anakin's mother was a slave on a world that was not a member of the Republic
and they had no jurisdiction or authority to go free her.

DKM
Re: Aniken [message #162282 ] So, 06 November 2005 04:21
barber_anooooo  
"DKM" <dkmfwtx [at] nospam.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> <barber_anooooo [at] ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:Cm4bf.119364$Ph4.3662150 [at] ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
>>
>> "Anonymous" <none> wrote in message
>> news:1vydndsbpsDzV_HenZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
>>> What was Anikens biggest mistake?
>>>
>>> A) Friendship with Palpatine
>>>
>>> B) Attachment to Padme
>>>
>>> C) His friendship with Palpatine (evil) came about because of his
>>> attachments and desire to control.
>>
>>
>> None of the above
>>
>> The biggest mistake was made by the Jedi Order. They wasted all their
>> energy defending the leadership and the status quo of the Republic. They
>> did very little to defend the ordinary citizens of the Republic. The
>> majority likely viewed the Jedi as a secretive and snobbish organization,
>> hence it was easy to believe the lies of the Emperor. The Jedi did
>> nothing to eliminate other evils in the Republic, such as slavery. They
>> knew his mother was a slave. but did not act to free her.
>
> The Jedi were not a group of "do gooders" out end evil in the galaxy, they
> were servants of the Senate who were keepers of peace and justice, as
> defined by the Senate.
>
> Anakin's mother was a slave on a world that was not a member of the
> Republic and they had no jurisdiction or authority to go free her.

What does jurisdiction or authority have to do with anything. It is more
about doing what is right.




>
> DKM
>
Re: Aniken [message #162283 ] So, 06 November 2005 04:56
Mutts  
<barber_anooooo [at] ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> What does jurisdiction or authority have to do with anything. It is more
> about doing what is right.

I'm not going to reveal my own political views here (actually, I don't have
any, and political arguments bore me anyway,) but I'm guessing you're a big
fan of the Bush administration.
Re: Aniken [message #162284 ] So, 06 November 2005 05:06
barber_anooooo  
"The Man With No Name" <none [at] none.com> wrote in message
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>
> <barber_anooooo [at] ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:DEebf.119620$Ph4.3669792 [at] ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
>> What does jurisdiction or authority have to do with anything. It is more
>> about doing what is right.
>
> I'm not going to reveal my own political views here (actually, I don't
> have any, and political arguments bore me anyway,) but I'm guessing you're
> a big fan of the Bush administration.


No fan of Bush. There are two ways the Jedi could of freed her. They could
of either taken her by force or paid for her freedom. They chose to leave
her, even though her fate was having a negative impact on their ability to
train a new member of their order.
Re: Aniken [message #162309 ] So, 06 November 2005 21:44
Grue  
wrote:

> No fan of Bush. There are two ways the Jedi could of freed her. They
> could of either taken her by force

In which case her implant would have exploded, scarring a young boy
forever with the visioin of his mother's entrails splattered all over the
inside of a ship.

> or paid for her freedom.

....with republic credits which were no good in a non-Republic system.




--
-Grue
------------------------------------------------------------ -------
An unbreakable toy is good for breaking other toys.
Re: Aniken [message #162313 ] So, 06 November 2005 23:19
barber_anooooo  
"Grue" <a [at] a.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9706A05801BFDaacom [at] 209.210.176.62...
> wrote:
>
>> No fan of Bush. There are two ways the Jedi could of freed her. They
>> could of either taken her by force
>
> In which case her implant would have exploded, scarring a young boy
> forever with the visioin of his mother's entrails splattered all over the
> inside of a ship.
>
>> or paid for her freedom.
>
> ...with republic credits which were no good in a non-Republic system.

It's a spaceport! They would have to deal with financial transactions of
the numerous systems that likely have ships and Cargo passing through. They
could transport something thing of value that could either be sold on the
local market to obtain local credits. (Engine parts, Food, Electronic
components etc). As for exploding implants, they would include medical
droids capable of removing them prior to taking her off the planet. As for
scarring a young boy, I am not saying Obiwan Kenobi, should of taken her,
with the boy, they could of made an effort to free her by sending
representatives of the Jedi Order at somepoint afterwards.
Re: Aniken [message #162314 ] So, 06 November 2005 23:34
SpammersDie  
<barber_anooooo [at] ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>
> "Grue" <a [at] a.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9706A05801BFDaacom [at] 209.210.176.62...
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No fan of Bush. There are two ways the Jedi could of freed her. They
>>> could of either taken her by force
>>
>> In which case her implant would have exploded, scarring a young boy
>> forever with the visioin of his mother's entrails splattered all over the
>> inside of a ship.
>>
>>> or paid for her freedom.
>>
>> ...with republic credits which were no good in a non-Republic system.
>
> It's a spaceport! They would have to deal with financial transactions of
> the numerous systems that likely have ships and Cargo passing through.
> They could transport something thing of value that could either be sold on
> the local market to obtain local credits. (Engine parts, Food, Electronic
> components etc). As for exploding implants, they would include medical
> droids capable of removing them prior to taking her off the planet. As for
> scarring a young boy, I am not saying Obiwan Kenobi, should of taken her,
> with the boy, they could of made an effort to free her by sending
> representatives of the Jedi Order at somepoint afterwards.

Getting back to your original point...

"They did very little to defend the ordinary citizens of the Republic. The
majority likely
viewed the Jedi as a secretive and snobbish organization,"

....mounting a special operation to free Shmi sounds like marvelous way to
reinforce exactly that view of the Jedi. Apparently, slaves are worth
freeing only if one of the Order has a special attachment to her. But if you
don't happen to be related to a Jedi or have a personal relationship with
the Jedi, the Order will let you rot in slavery.

If the Jedi did as you suggest, they would not be viewed as "doing what's
right" - they'd be viewed as doing a special favor for one of the members of
their Order.

To be seen as "doing what's right", they'd have to free a lot more than just
one slave - and even that's assuming the average Republic citizen really
gives a tinker's damn whether slavery's happening in the Outer Rim. There's
no evidence to suggest they do. If they don't, then the fact that the Jedi
chose to intervene in a (non-Republic?) world's affairs where they weren't
asked to would just make it all that much easier for the Chancellor to sell
the public the story of an attempted Jedi takeover of the Senate.
Re: Aniken [message #162315 ] Mo, 07 November 2005 00:08
barber_anooooo  
"SpammersDie" <xx [at] xx.xx> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Grue" <a [at] a.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9706A05801BFDaacom [at] 209.210.176.62...
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No fan of Bush. There are two ways the Jedi could of freed her. They
>>>> could of either taken her by force
>>>
>>> In which case her implant would have exploded, scarring a young boy
>>> forever with the visioin of his mother's entrails splattered all over
>>> the
>>> inside of a ship.
>>>
>>>> or paid for her freedom.
>>>
>>> ...with republic credits which were no good in a non-Republic system.
>>
>> It's a spaceport! They would have to deal with financial transactions
>> of the numerous systems that likely have ships and Cargo passing through.
>> They could transport something thing of value that could either be sold
>> on the local market to obtain local credits. (Engine parts, Food,
>> Electronic components etc). As for exploding implants, they would include
>> medical droids capable of removing them prior to taking her off the
>> planet. As for scarring a young boy, I am not saying Obiwan Kenobi,
>> should of taken her, with the boy, they could of made an effort to free
>> her by sending representatives of the Jedi Order at somepoint afterwards.
>
> Getting back to your original point...
>
> "They did very little to defend the ordinary citizens of the Republic. The
> majority likely
> viewed the Jedi as a secretive and snobbish organization,"
>
> ...mounting a special operation to free Shmi sounds like marvelous way to
> reinforce exactly that view of the Jedi. Apparently, slaves are worth
> freeing only if one of the Order has a special attachment to her. But if
> you don't happen to be related to a Jedi or have a personal relationship
> with the Jedi, the Order will let you rot in slavery.

The Jedi should work to free all slaves. But my response was more of a
narrow focus on what led Anakin to the darkside. The fact he was unable to
gain any assistance from the Jedi order to save his mother, laid the
groundwork of his decision, that led him to believe he had to turn to
Palpatine for help. One of the reasons the Jedi preferred younger recruits
was less emotional baggage to deal with. They chose to ignore their
recruitment policies regarding Anakin's age, but were not willing to deal
with the consquences of that decision.



>
> If the Jedi did as you suggest, they would not be viewed as "doing what's
> right" - they'd be viewed as doing a special favor for one of the members
> of their Order.

I doubt if there is a Galactic Oversight Committee that would broadcast
that fact for all the citizen to hear/veiw. So your point is it is better to
help no one, if you can`t help everyone.



>
> To be seen as "doing what's right", they'd have to free a lot more than
> just one slave - and even that's assuming the average Republic citizen
> really gives a tinker's damn whether slavery's happening in the Outer Rim.
> There's no evidence to suggest they do. If they don't, then the fact that
> the Jedi chose to intervene in a (non-Republic?) world's affairs where
> they weren't asked to would just make it all that much easier for the
> Chancellor to sell the public the story of an attempted Jedi takeover of
> the Senate.
>
>
>
>
Re: Aniken [message #163679 ] Di, 08 November 2005 13:55
Andrew Murray  
<barber_anooooo [at] ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>
> "Anonymous" <none> wrote in message
> news:1vydndsbpsDzV_HenZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
>> What was Anikens biggest mistake?
>>
>> A) Friendship with Palpatine
>>
>> B) Attachment to Padme
>>
>> C) His friendship with Palpatine (evil) came about because of his
>> attachments and desire to control.
>
>
> None of the above
>
> The biggest mistake was made by the Jedi Order. They wasted all their
> energy defending the leadership and the status quo of the Republic. They
> did very little to defend the ordinary citizens of the Republic. The
> majority likely viewed the Jedi as a secretive and snobbish organization,
> hence it was easy to believe the lies of the Emperor. The Jedi did nothing
> to eliminate other evils in the Republic, such as slavery. They knew his
> mother was a slave. but did not act to free her.
>Snobbish is right, with lines like

"We're not here to fight your war for you".

and

"We didn't come here to free slaves".
(although Tatooine wasn't part of the Republic....I concede that point, but
if it had been, then the Jedi would surely have acted and freed Shmi.). In
any case as Qui gon says, if Anakin had been born in the republic, he'd
already be a padawan learner etc

and

"Why do I get the feeling we've picked up another pathetic lifeform?".
Re: Aniken [message #163693 ] Mi, 09 November 2005 01:07
Classic Collector  
"Anonymous" <none> wrote in message
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> What was Anikens biggest mistake?
>
> A) Friendship with Palpatine
>

Yup, that's the one that did it in the end...plus with Palpatine killing him
and all (and if anyone screams about this being a "spoiler", then they're a
moron!!)


> B) Attachment to Padme
>

No. Love can't be wrong, and if Lovin' Padme was wrong, I'm guessing Anakin
wouldn't wanna be right!!!


> C) His friendship with Palpatine (evil) came about because of his
> attachments and desire to control.
>

I can't agree with Yoda on this one, ie the "have no attatchments" deal.
What the heck is wrong with loving one's wife and family and friends?
Yoda is clearly wrong about this one - it's not attatchments that are wrong,
it's MAKING THE WRONG DESCISION that's wrong, ie, "Oh, I'd better turn to
the Sith so I can save her", yada yada yada.
Anakin should have come clean with Ben about Padme and let the chips fly
where they may - whether he would have been kicked off the council or not.
Chances are, if he had done that, the Sith would not have destroyed the
Republic.
Just like Titus Pullo made some wrong decisions which cost Rome the
republic, if you believe HBO.
Re: Aniken [message #163706 ] Mi, 09 November 2005 01:54
dullard  
"Joseph S. Powell, III" <nospam [at] nospam.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Anonymous" <none> wrote in message
> news:1vydndsbpsDzV_HenZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
>> What was Anikens biggest mistake?
>>
>> A) Friendship with Palpatine
>>
>
> Yup, that's the one that did it in the end...plus with Palpatine killing
> him
> and all (and if anyone screams about this being a "spoiler", then they're
> a
> moron!!)
>
>
>> B) Attachment to Padme
>>
>
> No. Love can't be wrong, and if Lovin' Padme was wrong, I'm guessing
> Anakin
> wouldn't wanna be right!!!
>
>
>> C) His friendship with Palpatine (evil) came about because of his
>> attachments and desire to control.
>>
>
> I can't agree with Yoda on this one, ie the "have no attatchments" deal.
> What the heck is wrong with loving one's wife and family and friends?
> Yoda is clearly wrong about this one - it's not attatchments that are
> wrong,
> it's MAKING THE WRONG DESCISION that's wrong, ie, "Oh, I'd better turn to
> the Sith so I can save her", yada yada yada.
> Anakin should have come clean with Ben about Padme and let the chips fly
> where they may - whether he would have been kicked off the council or not.
> Chances are, if he had done that, the Sith would not have destroyed the
> Republic.
> Just like Titus Pullo made some wrong decisions which cost Rome the
> republic, if you believe HBO.
>
He made the wrong decision because of his fear of losing her. Love and
attachment are two different things. Anakin was in love with Padme but he
was also attached to her and willing to do anything (turning to the
darkside) to keep her for himself. An evil force then used his fear of
losing her to seduce him. The tragedy is that he lost her because he was
trying to hold on to her. One of the main messages in Star Wars is that we
cannot hold on to things in this life, even the people we love.
Re: Aniken [message #163762 ] Do, 10 November 2005 04:48
Simmie Simmerson  
> The Jedi were not a group of "do gooders" out end evil in the galaxy, they
> were servants of the Senate who were keepers of peace and justice, as
> defined by the Senate.


Yes, that is what I would do. I discover telekinetic powers and the ability
to see into the future, and the first thing that comes to mind is, "Gee, I
think I'll reserve my newfound powers to serve the government, which is so
obviously corroupt."
Re: Aniken [message #163763 ] Do, 10 November 2005 04:49
Simmie Simmerson  
Yikes. Bush IS the emperor. Only 1/10th as smart and twice as scary.

> I'm not going to reveal my own political views here (actually, I don't
> have any, and political arguments bore me anyway,) but I'm guessing you're
> a big fan of the Bush administration.
>
Re: Aniken [message #163805 ] Fr, 11 November 2005 03:52
DKM  
<barber_anooooo [at] ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>

> The Jedi should work to free all slaves.

This goes back to my original point, the Jedi are not "Do Gooders" out the
"right" the "wrongs" of the galaxy.



Of course it is important to point out that Shmi was no longer a slave at
the time of her death so "freeing" her wasn't the point.



> But my response was more of a narrow focus on what led Anakin to the
> darkside. The fact he was unable to gain any assistance from the Jedi
> order to save his mother, laid the groundwork of his decision, that led
> him to believe he had to turn to Palpatine for help. One of the reasons
> the Jedi preferred younger recruits was less emotional baggage to deal
> with. They chose to ignore their recruitment policies regarding Anakin's
> age, but were not willing to deal with the consquences of that decision.

I don't know that I completely agree. The Jedi at first didn't want to
train Anakin, but once they realized the Sith were back and understood that
he could likely be the "Chosen One" the majority of the council changed its
mind. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by they "not willing to deal
with the consquences of that decision"

Now to respond to a question you had to my first post on this topic

<barber_anooooo [at] ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>
> What does jurisdiction or authority have to do with anything. It is more
> about doing what is right.

When acting outside of one's "jurisdiction or authority" are you not doing
something "wrong"? Who gets to make the final moral call as to what is
"right"?



Remember they were not just taking a vacation or on a business trip. They
were trying not to draw attention to themselves, to get their ship fixed
ASAP so they go plead their case to Senate and try to save an entire planet
whose people may have been suffering and dieing. Should they have risked it
everything to free one slave who as it happens was freed later anyways?



DKM
Re: Aniken [message #163812 ] Fr, 11 November 2005 04:59
barber_anooooo  
"DKM" <dkmfwtx [at] nospam.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> <barber_anooooo [at] ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:o1wbf.119934$Ph4.3682305 [at] ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
>>
>
>> The Jedi should work to free all slaves.
>
> This goes back to my original point, the Jedi are not "Do Gooders" out the
> "right" the "wrongs" of the galaxy.
>
>
>
> Of course it is important to point out that Shmi was no longer a slave at
> the time of her death so "freeing" her wasn't the point.
>
>
>
>> But my response was more of a narrow focus on what led Anakin to the
>> darkside. The fact he was unable to gain any assistance from the Jedi
>> order to save his mother, laid the groundwork of his decision, that led
>> him to believe he had to turn to Palpatine for help. One of the reasons
>> the Jedi preferred younger recruits was less emotional baggage to deal
>> with. They chose to ignore their recruitment policies regarding Anakin's
>> age, but were not willing to deal with the consquences of that decision.

> I don't know that I completely agree. The Jedi at first didn't want to
> train Anakin, but once they realized the Sith were back and understood
> that he could likely be the "Chosen One" the majority of the council
> changed its mind. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by they "not
> willing to deal with the consquences of that decision"


I have not read any Star Wars books that may of discussed the background of
a typical Jedi recruit. How young are they? Young enough to have not bonded
with the parents who gave them up to the order? Making it easier to
establish a Babylon 5 Psi Corp type relationship,where the Corp becomes
"mother" and "father"? Anakin was not able to sever any emotional bonds he
had with his mother, bonds that other young Jedi didn`t have to concern
themselves. Those are the consequences I refer to. Anikan was not a typical
recriut.



>
> Now to respond to a question you had to my first post on this topic
>
> <barber_anooooo [at] ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:DEebf.119620$Ph4.3669792 [at] ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
>>
>> What does jurisdiction or authority have to do with anything. It is more
>> about doing what is right.
>
> When acting outside of one's "jurisdiction or authority" are you not doing
> something "wrong"? Who gets to make the final moral call as to what is
> "right"?


I guess it rests with the strength of someone's beliefs, and the
willingness to accept the consquences for any action taken.

>
>
>
> Remember they were not just taking a vacation or on a business trip. They
> were trying not to draw attention to themselves, to get their ship fixed
> ASAP so they go plead their case to Senate and try to save an entire
> planet whose people may have been suffering and dieing. Should they have
> risked it everything to free one slave who as it happens was freed later
> anyways?


I was referring to the time period shortly after Anakin had become a Jedi
recriut. The Jedi were not successful in training/convincing Anakin to trust
the Order enough to ask them to help. He believes the Jedi, or their
training could not help him save his mother. No faced with saving Padme, his
lack of faith with the Jedi Order gave Palpatine the chance to turn him to
the darkside.

>
>
>
> DKM
>
>
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