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| Parseltongue [message #156873] |
Thu, 27 October 2005 20:06 |
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We know that Parseltongue is rare, very rare, but not unheard
of. A Horcrux, for instance _is_ practically unheard of.
In some discussions of the Horcruxes it was mentioned that
they might be activated or disarmed in some way by speaking to
them in Parseltongue - the Locket, perhaps, might only open if
asked to open in Parseltongue, rather like the door to the
Chamber of Secrets.
It occurred to me that within the ancient pureblood (read:
"inbred") family of Black there might exist enough of those rare
recessive genes that once in a great while some scion of the
family might have that peculiar talent of "Speaker to Serpents."
I submit for your consideration the possibility that Regulus
Black might have had that talent and kept it to himself after
discovering it.
I further suggest that he discovered his talent by overhearing
the Dark Lord speaking, perhaps even casting a spell over a large
gold locket or confiding in a venomous pet.
Understanding your Master's true intent, his vast capacity for
evil, and even possibly some of his deepest secrets and hiding
places might be a shock great enough to turn one away from the
path of wickedness - perhaps even to change one's name and run
away with a rock band.
--
________B___a___r___b___a___r___o___s___s___a________
Wayne B. Hewitt Encinitas, CA whewitt [at] ucsd.edu
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| Re: Parseltongue [message #156906 ] |
Fri, 28 October 2005 08:24 |
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In article <whewitt-AE48B0.11060827102005 [at] news.isp.giganews.com>,
Barbarossa <whewitt [at] ucsd.edu> wrote:
> We know that Parseltongue is rare, very rare, but not unheard
>of. A Horcrux, for instance _is_ practically unheard of.
>
> In some discussions of the Horcruxes it was mentioned that
>they might be activated or disarmed in some way by speaking to
>them in Parseltongue - the Locket, perhaps, might only open if
>asked to open in Parseltongue, rather like the door to the
>Chamber of Secrets.
Speculation, of course, but interesting, and it would give Voldy
a way to avoid his own spells of protection if he did have to
meddle with a horcrux later.
> It occurred to me that within the ancient pureblood (read:
>"inbred") family of Black there might exist enough of those rare
>recessive genes that once in a great while some scion of the
>family might have that peculiar talent of "Speaker to Serpents."
Speculation, but not impossible. Although they are not descendants
of Slytherin, they might have legitimately had the parseltongue
trait from a different wizard who also had it.
> I submit for your consideration the possibility that Regulus
>Black might have had that talent and kept it to himself after
>discovering it.
Hypothesis based on two speculations...
> I further suggest that he discovered his talent by overhearing
>the Dark Lord speaking, perhaps even casting a spell over a large
>gold locket or confiding in a venomous pet.
He'd have to be able to keep his reactions under tight control.
That doesn't seem to have been a trait of the Black family; even
Phineas Nigellus tends to express his emotions.
> Understanding your Master's true intent, his vast capacity for
>evil, and even possibly some of his deepest secrets and hiding
>places might be a shock great enough to turn one away from the
>path of wickedness - perhaps even to change one's name and run
>away with a rock band.
Not bad, except that it's pretty well accepted that he died, and
just changing the name wouldn't stop Voldemort at his height of
power. There's no ironclad reason it can't be, considering how
many people have been reported dead who weren't, and we haven't
had anyone reminiscing about Regulus's funeral. Nevertheless,
I think I'd put that one in the "highly speculative" file.
=Tamar
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| Re: Parseltongue [message #158935 ] |
Fri, 28 October 2005 13:47 |
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:06:08 -0700, Barbarossa <whewitt [at] ucsd.edu>
wrote:
> We know that Parseltongue is rare, very rare, but not unheard
>of. A Horcrux, for instance _is_ practically unheard of.
>
> In some discussions of the Horcruxes it was mentioned that
>they might be activated or disarmed in some way by speaking to
>them in Parseltongue - the Locket, perhaps, might only open if
>asked to open in Parseltongue, rather like the door to the
>Chamber of Secrets.
>
> It occurred to me that within the ancient pureblood (read:
>"inbred") family of Black there might exist enough of those rare
>recessive genes that once in a great while some scion of the
>family might have that peculiar talent of "Speaker to Serpents."
>
> I submit for your consideration the possibility that Regulus
>Black might have had that talent and kept it to himself after
>discovering it.
>
> I further suggest that he discovered his talent by overhearing
>the Dark Lord speaking, perhaps even casting a spell over a large
>gold locket or confiding in a venomous pet.
>
> Understanding your Master's true intent, his vast capacity for
>evil, and even possibly some of his deepest secrets and hiding
>places might be a shock great enough to turn one away from the
>path of wickedness - perhaps even to change one's name and run
>away with a rock band.
Espeically if it involved baby murdering. Plus, that Doris might be a
real hottie.
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| Re: Parseltongue [message #158954 ] |
Fri, 28 October 2005 19:16 |
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Barbarossa:
> > It occurred to me that within the ancient pureblood (read:
> >"inbred") family of Black there might exist enough of those
> >rare recessive genes that once in a great while some scion of
> >the family might have that peculiar talent of "Speaker to
> >Serpents."
Richard Eney wrote:
> Speculation, but not impossible. Although they are not
> descendants of Slytherin, they might have legitimately had the
> parseltongue trait from a different wizard who also had it.
Barbarossa:
Speculation, of course, but I never heard anyone saying to
Harry: "Gee, only the descendants of Salazar Slytherin could talk
to snakes." What they said was that the talent was very rare, but
even in saqying so it was implied that it was not so rare that
they had never heard of it.
Further, they only persons we have seen actually _using_
Parseltongue have been MALE; I donšt believe that even Niobe
Gaunt was ever shown to use Parseltongue, but of course lack of
evidence is not evidence of lack.
[I only mention this as it also occurred to me that
Parseltongue might be (somewhat) sex related as is some color
blindness or haemophilia.]
--
________B___a___r___b___a___r___o___s___s___a________
Wayne B. Hewitt Encinitas, CA whewitt [at] ucsd.edu
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| Re: Parseltongue [message #158961 ] |
Fri, 28 October 2005 20:14 |
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Richard wrote:"Not bad, except that it's pretty well accepted that he
died, and
just changing the name wouldn't stop Voldemort at his height of
power. There's no ironclad reason it can't be, considering how
many people have been reported dead who weren't, and we haven't
had anyone reminiscing about Regulus's funeral. Nevertheless,
I think I'd put that one in the "highly speculative" file."
Plus, it's mentioned a couple of times in the book that LV had a way of
finding DE's that tried to leave his service. Even if he didn't kill
Reguls himself, he would have been able to find him, plus it is hard to
conceal the mark on the forearm, otherwise his former supporters that
claimed they were under the imperius curse would have concealed theirs
until needed at a later date. The only way LV wouldn't have been able
to find Regulus is if he (Regulus) had gone to DD and tried to hide in
the way DD was going to do for Draco & his family. But that's all
speculation.
"Further, they only persons we have seen actually _using_
Parseltongue have been MALE; I don=B9t believe that even Niobe
Gaunt was ever shown to use Parseltongue, but of course lack of
evidence is not evidence of lack."
I don't think we see *Merope* using parseltongue, but it's implied that
she understands it because her brother tells their father in
parseltongue that the Muggle on the horse/carriage is one Merope is
always trying to sneak and look at & that she likes him. As a matter of
fact, she was pleading (in a way) with her brother to not tell their
father.
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| Re: Parseltongue [message #158996 ] |
Sat, 29 October 2005 09:59 |
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On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:16:05 -0700, Barbarossa <whewitt [at] ucsd.edu>
wrote:
>Barbarossa:
>
>> > It occurred to me that within the ancient pureblood (read:
>> >"inbred") family of Black there might exist enough of those
>> >rare recessive genes that once in a great while some scion of
>> >the family might have that peculiar talent of "Speaker to
>> >Serpents."
>
>Richard Eney wrote:
>
>> Speculation, but not impossible. Although they are not
>> descendants of Slytherin, they might have legitimately had the
>> parseltongue trait from a different wizard who also had it.
>
>Barbarossa:
>
> Speculation, of course, but I never heard anyone saying to
>Harry: "Gee, only the descendants of Salazar Slytherin could talk
>to snakes." What they said was that the talent was very rare, but
>even in saqying so it was implied that it was not so rare that
>they had never heard of it.
V implies it, but DD seems to indicate to Tom it's possible, but quite
rare. I think most don't know it, or quickly learn to never use
it/mention it.
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| Re: Parseltongue [message #160680 ] |
Tue, 01 November 2005 02:23 |
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In article <cta6m1psvu6hrcn1t4s602vfd691vhk04k [at] 4ax.com>,
Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
<snip>
>V implies it, but DD seems to indicate to Tom it's possible, but quite
>rare. I think most don't know it, or quickly learn to never use
>it/mention it.
I doubt that it's very useful, normally. Riddle said snakes sought him out
to talk to him, which seems odd for a snake to do. Also he only got to go
to the country once a year (I doubt he left London by choice as a kid,
even when he was roaming around) so how often did he get to talk to snakes?
It would be possible for a city dweller to never find out they could
speak it.
=Tamar
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| Re: Parseltongue [message #160765 ] |
Tue, 01 November 2005 13:38 |
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On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 01:23:32 -0000, dicconf [at] radix.net (Richard Eney)
wrote:
>In article <cta6m1psvu6hrcn1t4s602vfd691vhk04k [at] 4ax.com>,
>Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
><snip>
>>V implies it, but DD seems to indicate to Tom it's possible, but quite
>>rare. I think most don't know it, or quickly learn to never use
>>it/mention it.
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>I doubt that it's very useful, normally. Riddle said snakes sought him out
>to talk to him, which seems odd for a snake to do. Also he only got to go
>to the country once a year (I doubt he left London by choice as a kid,
>even when he was roaming around) so how often did he get to talk to snakes?
>
>It would be possible for a city dweller to never find out they could
>speak it.
>
>=Tamar
Now how would you know it's odd for snakes to seek someone out? If he
unknowingly spoke PT to himself, the snakes would seek him out, now
wouldn't they?
I mean, yes, snakes don't usually just head towards people, going,
"Can you hear me now?" Until someone responds to them or they reach a
close enough point. They have to hear you first.
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| Re: Parseltongue [message #160811 ] |
Tue, 01 November 2005 23:02 |
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Barbarossa wrote:
> We know that Parseltongue is rare, very rare, but not unheard
> of. A Horcrux, for instance _is_ practically unheard of.
>
> In some discussions of the Horcruxes it was mentioned that
> they might be activated or disarmed in some way by speaking to
> them in Parseltongue - the Locket, perhaps, might only open if
> asked to open in Parseltongue, rather like the door to the
> Chamber of Secrets.
>
> It occurred to me that within the ancient pureblood (read:
> "inbred") family of Black there might exist enough of those rare
> recessive genes that once in a great while some scion of the
> family might have that peculiar talent of "Speaker to Serpents."
>
> I submit for your consideration the possibility that Regulus
> Black might have had that talent and kept it to himself after
> discovering it.
>
> I further suggest that he discovered his talent by overhearing
> the Dark Lord speaking, perhaps even casting a spell over a large
> gold locket or confiding in a venomous pet.
>
> Understanding your Master's true intent, his vast capacity for
> evil, and even possibly some of his deepest secrets and hiding
> places might be a shock great enough to turn one away from the
> path of wickedness - perhaps even to change one's name and run
> away with a rock band.
> --
> ________B___a___r___b___a___r___o___s___s___a________
> Wayne B. Hewitt Encinitas, CA whewitt [at] ucsd.edu
I don't think so. One of the reasons that I think the locket needs the
snake lang to open was to answer why the locket was not destroyed yet.
--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.
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| Re: Parseltongue [message #160917 ] |
Wed, 02 November 2005 10:49 |
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In article <gaoem1hp2ap5v6mi1caq0bd0vshvpemj21 [at] 4ax.com>,
Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
>dicconf [at] radix.net (Richard Eney) wrote:
>>Toon <toon [at] toon.com> wrote:
>><snip>
>>>V implies it, but DD seems to indicate to Tom it's possible, but quite
>>>rare. I think most don't know it, or quickly learn to never use
>>>it/mention it.
>>
>>I doubt that it's very useful, normally. Riddle said snakes sought him out
>>to talk to him, which seems odd for a snake to do. Also he only got to go
>>to the country once a year (I doubt he left London by choice as a kid,
>>even when he was roaming around) so how often did he get to talk to snakes?
>>
>>It would be possible for a city dweller to never find out they could
>>speak it.
>>
>>=Tamar
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>Now how would you know it's odd for snakes to seek someone out?
I don't "know". I said I thought it seemed odd, based on my limited
experience. I believe that most snakes don't have much interest
in conversation. Why would a snake want to talk to a human being?
The one in the zoo was bored. Harry stared at it intently and thought
sympathetic thoughts (are Potterverse snakes telepathic, or can Harry
send thoughts - like a kind of anti-occlumency?). Then the snake
winked at him; when Harry winked back, it began gesturing with its
head and tail. Harry spoke to it in a very low voice; he wasn't sure
it could hear him. (Maybe it didn't hear with ears.) It didn't speak
until after the glass vanished.
>If he unknowingly spoke PT to himself, the snakes would seek him
>out, now wouldn't they?
Why? What interest would a snake that is living in the wild have
in talking to a random human being? Are they bored stiff even
when living outdoors and hunting food?
>I mean, yes, snakes don't usually just head towards people, going,
>"Can you hear me now?" Until someone responds to them or they reach
>a close enough point. They have to hear you first.
How do you know? :-)
=Tamar
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| Re: Parseltongue [message #161050 ] |
Thu, 03 November 2005 09:57 |
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:49:08 -0000, dicconf [at] radix.net (Richard Eney)
wrote:
>>Now how would you know it's odd for snakes to seek someone out?
>
>I don't "know". I said I thought it seemed odd, based on my limited
>experience. I believe that most snakes don't have much interest
>in conversation. Why would a snake want to talk to a human being?
To discuss our digital watches?
>>If he unknowingly spoke PT to himself, the snakes would seek him
>>out, now wouldn't they?
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>Why? What interest would a snake that is living in the wild have
>in talking to a random human being? Are they bored stiff even
>when living outdoors and hunting food?
Well, you're a human, and you see a snake speaking English (forgetting
Bible Stories and hidden camera prank shows), wouldn't you be a might
curious in this human speaking snake? Wouldn't you want to talk to
it, to see how much it knows?
>>I mean, yes, snakes don't usually just head towards people, going,
>>"Can you hear me now?" Until someone responds to them or they reach
>>a close enough point. They have to hear you first.
>
>How do you know? :-)
>
>=Tamar
Snakes don't usually approach people, then veer off as if suddenly
bored with us.
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| Re: Parseltongue [message #164440 ] |
Tue, 08 November 2005 19:26 |
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Toon wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:49:08 -0000, dicconf [at] radix.net (Richard Eney)
> wrote:
>
> >>Now how would you know it's odd for snakes to seek someone out?
> >
> >I don't "know". I said I thought it seemed odd, based on my limited
> >experience. I believe that most snakes don't have much interest
> >in conversation. Why would a snake want to talk to a human being?
>
> To discuss our digital watches?
>
> >>If he unknowingly spoke PT to himself, the snakes would seek him
> >>out, now wouldn't they?
> >
> >Why? What interest would a snake that is living in the wild have
> >in talking to a random human being? Are they bored stiff even
> >when living outdoors and hunting food?
>
> Well, you're a human, and you see a snake speaking English (forgetting
> Bible Stories and hidden camera prank shows), wouldn't you be a might
> curious in this human speaking snake? Wouldn't you want to talk to
> it, to see how much it knows?
>
You make a good point. That's similar to Crookshanks distrusting
Scabbers (PP), then trying to help Sirius catch Scabbers after Sirius
explainned to Crookshanks who Scabbers really was. He was inclined to
hear what Sirius had to say. With Harry and the snake at the zoo, Harry
didn't realize he was speaking a different language (thought he was
speaking English & didn't know he spoke a different language until the
duel club battle where no one knew he was telling the snake to leave
justin finch-flechley alone)--the snake in the zoo was probably
surprised to meet a human that could speak its language. So yeah, if
you're a snake (or some other animal) and you come across a human that
can speak your language or is able to become an animal itself and
communicate with you, then you'll probably be willing to hear what the
human has to say.
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