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| Voldemort's Wand - and sorry... [message #156605] |
Tue, 25 October 2005 14:11 |
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Hello!
First of all I must admit that I apparently forgot my manners as I
haven't introduced myself to this group like Star did in her 'New Fan
Here' subjected post.
The very warm welcome she received made me think of it!
Sure enough, I'm having fun here! Nice people, loads of interesting
stuff to read!
Well, as for me, I'm a 31-year-old Harry Potter addict from Berlin. Just
two years ago I was still thinking 'Harry Potter' was some kind of
detective story for kids. Then I thought improving my English by reading
a book in english language might be a good idea. Thus I got me Harry
Potter and the philosopher's stone from the library. Since then I read
through all available books in no time waiting gleefuly for the next and
rereading the books now and again.
I hope my English is sufferable for native english speakers (corrections
are welcome)!
I also have a question:
When Voldemort tried to kill Harry the very first time the AK-Curse
rebounced on him and he was diminished as we all know.
I imagine him having become even weaker after his attempt to kill Harry
than he was when Quirrel hosted him in his body.
I wonder about his wand. He must have dropped it after his own curse hit
him. Yet he ist still in possession of his original wand. Did Peter
Pettigrew keep Voldemort's wand although he must have thouhgt him dead?
I remeber that Peter said in 'Goblet of Fire' that he haid found
Voldemort. Is there a description about how that happened?
Thanks!
greets - gerriT
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| Re: Voldemort's Wand - and sorry... [message #156607 ] |
Tue, 25 October 2005 14:51 |
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Well I get to be first to welcome someone again! Welcome! I find
nothing to complain about as far as your english skills. Actually they
seem better than some we've had here in the past who claim to be native
english speakers, lol. As far as your question.. hmmm. I am not sure
that it was ever fully explained. Peter did find Voldy at some point. I
probably need to re-read yet again but I do not recall that it was ever
explained exactly where he took him and who cared for him or where the
wand was during the time Peter spent as a rat. V talked of living as a
parasite off others, one of which was Quirrel. We know at the beginning
of GoF that he was living in his old home at some point with the snake
and Peter. 12+ years is a long time, and I don't think all if it has
been completely explained. I am sure someone else will correct me if I
am forgetting something important. I hope they do anyway. I am in the
middle of OOtP for the bazillionth time and don't want to start over
from SS again, lol.
M_m
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| Re: Voldemort's Wand - and sorry... [message #156608 ] |
Tue, 25 October 2005 15:09 |
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First, welcome. And your English is impeccable -- I am an American and
never would have guessed it was not your native language.
It is generally believe that, yes, Pettigrew found and kept Voldemort's
wand all those years until V's re-brith -- although, I am not sure how or
where, as Pettigrew lived as rat all that time, as far as we know. This
same question occurred to me, so I asked here, and pretty much everyone
agreed that is what happened. Some people think Pettigrew was with V at
Godric's Hollow when Harry's parents were killed; others think Snape may
have been there. But someone kept the wand for V and gave it back to him
in the graveyard scene.
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| Re: Voldemort's Wand - and sorry... [message #156617 ] |
Tue, 25 October 2005 17:02 |
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MermaidsMom wrote:
> First, welcome. And your English is impeccable -- I am an American and
> never would have guessed it was not your native language.
> It is generally believe that, yes, Pettigrew found and kept Voldemort's
> wand all those years until V's re-brith -- although, I am not sure how or
> where, as Pettigrew lived as rat all that time, as far as we know. This
> same question occurred to me, so I asked here, and pretty much everyone
> agreed that is what happened. Some people think Pettigrew was with V at
> Godric's Hollow when Harry's parents were killed; others think Snape may
> have been there. But someone kept the wand for V and gave it back to him
> in the graveyard scene.
Hi Gerrit!
Welcome to the group! And I agree with everyone, your English is
excellent.
We don't see firsthand how Peter found Voldemort. However, Voldemort
tells the story to the Death Eaters in "The Death Eaters" chapter of
GoF. (Peter tracked him down in Albania, and brought Bertha Jorkins to
him. He also helped Voldemort to regain a semblance of a body.) I think
Peter must have given him the wand at that point (in Albania, not in
the graveyard). In the first chapter of GoF Voldemort uses his wand to
kill Frank Bryce, the groundskeeper at the Riddle mansion.
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| Re: Voldemort's Wand - and sorry... [message #156622 ] |
Tue, 25 October 2005 18:48 |
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Excellent english, Gerrit - excellent. I only wish my german was a quarter
as good !
"Gerrit Vicin" <gerrit [at] blinx.de> wrote in message
news:1130242315.892204 [at] news.blinx.de...
> Hello!
>
> First of all I must admit that I apparently forgot my manners as I haven't
> introduced myself to this group like Star did in her 'New Fan Here'
> subjected post.
> The very warm welcome she received made me think of it!
> Sure enough, I'm having fun here! Nice people, loads of interesting stuff
> to read!
>
> Well, as for me, I'm a 31-year-old Harry Potter addict from Berlin. Just
> two years ago I was still thinking 'Harry Potter' was some kind of
> detective story for kids. Then I thought improving my English by reading a
> book in english language might be a good idea. Thus I got me Harry Potter
> and the philosopher's stone from the library. Since then I read through
> all available books in no time waiting gleefuly for the next and rereading
> the books now and again.
> I hope my English is sufferable for native english speakers (corrections
> are welcome)!
>
>
> I also have a question:
> When Voldemort tried to kill Harry the very first time the AK-Curse
> rebounced on him and he was diminished as we all know.
> I imagine him having become even weaker after his attempt to kill Harry
> than he was when Quirrel hosted him in his body.
> I wonder about his wand. He must have dropped it after his own curse hit
> him. Yet he ist still in possession of his original wand. Did Peter
> Pettigrew keep Voldemort's wand although he must have thouhgt him dead? I
> remeber that Peter said in 'Goblet of Fire' that he haid found Voldemort.
> Is there a description about how that happened?
>
> Thanks!
> greets - gerriT
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| Re: Voldemort's Wand - and sorry... [message #156623 ] |
Tue, 25 October 2005 19:13 |
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Gerrit Vicin wrote:
> Hello!
>
> First of all I must admit that I apparently forgot my manners as I
> haven't introduced myself to this group like Star did in her 'New Fan
> Here' subjected post.
I never introduced myself either ... I dunno ... its been a few weeks
and it would be odd to introduce myself now.
> The very warm welcome she received made me think of it!
> Sure enough, I'm having fun here! Nice people, loads of interesting
> stuff to read!
Warmest of welcomes to you too!
> Well, as for me, I'm a 31-year-old Harry Potter addict from Berlin. Just
> two years ago I was still thinking 'Harry Potter' was some kind of
> detective story for kids. Then I thought improving my English by reading
> a book in english language might be a good idea. Thus I got me Harry
> Potter and the philosopher's stone from the library. Since then I read
> through all available books in no time waiting gleefuly for the next and
> rereading the books now and again.
> I hope my English is sufferable for native english speakers (corrections
> are welcome)!
I don't really need to say it since so many people already have but
your English is really good ... I am not a native speaker of English
myself and one of the reasons I took up reading HP(apart from the
incessant nagging of a classmate who just couldn't stop talking about
Harry Potter... can't blame her though) was to improve my English
writing skills back when I was 13.
> I also have a question:
> When Voldemort tried to kill Harry the very first time the AK-Curse
> rebounced on him and he was diminished as we all know.
> I imagine him having become even weaker after his attempt to kill Harry
> than he was when Quirrel hosted him in his body.
> I wonder about his wand. He must have dropped it after his own curse hit
> him. Yet he ist still in possession of his original wand. Did Peter
> Pettigrew keep Voldemort's wand although he must have thouhgt him dead?
> I remeber that Peter said in 'Goblet of Fire' that he haid found
> Voldemort. Is there a description about how that happened?
There isn't any real evidence from JK herself as far as I know but it
probably was Peter Pettigrew though it could be Snape too ... but since
he wasn't in contact with Voldemort before he came back to power it
couldn't really be him ... This is what I found at The Leaky Cauldron
.... (http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/MTarchives/005013.html) ...
HP4U has posted a report from the Edinburgh Festival where JKR answered
a few new questions from two lucky young fans.
"...to where JK Rowling was, given our wristbands, then we went to meet
her. We said hello and she told us 'she was really glad we could make
it'. I told her I was really glad to be there and her books were the
best, I said I wish I could have asked her a question and so she told
me to 'go on then, ask away!'. I asked JK Rowling would Professor
Lockhart get out of St Mungos, get his memory back and be in any of the
next books?, she said no to all of these questions.
I also asked when Harries [sic] parents were killed by Voldermort,
Wormtail turned into a rat and pretended to be dead. How then did he
give Voldermort his wand and robe back once he found him and helped
give him back his body ?, she told me (after tapping her nose!) 'he hid
them'. "
Its just a fan report so not real proof but still ...
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| Re: Voldemort's Wand - and sorry... [message #156624 ] |
Tue, 25 October 2005 19:21 |
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Thanks to all for your welcome and your comliments! And for your answers
of course. I should also than JKR for her 'tele-teaching'.
As for my english I really have to contemplate some while before I
write. Well, but I don't mind. Anyway I try to stick to 'first think
then type'. What I hadn't done before I asked my question. I found that
it had been discussed here some while ago (MermaidsMom pointed that out
to me).
greets - gerriT
Gerrit Vicin wrote:
> Hello!
>
> First of all I must admit that I apparently forgot my manners as I
[...]
> Voldemort. Is there a description about how that happened?
>
> Thanks!
> greets - gerriT
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| Re: Voldemort's Wand - and sorry... [message #156627 ] |
Tue, 25 October 2005 19:39 |
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Hira wrote:
> Gerrit Vicin wrote:
[...]
> Warmest of welcomes to you too!
Nice! Sounds like Dumbledore.
>>Well, as for me, I'm a 31-year-old Harry Potter addict from Berlin. Just
[...]
>>I hope my English is sufferable for native english speakers (corrections
>>are welcome)!
>
> I don't really need to say it since so many people already have but
> your English is really good ... I am not a native speaker of English
> myself
That goes for you too!
> and one of the reasons I took up reading HP(apart from the
> incessant nagging of a classmate who just couldn't stop talking about
> Harry Potter... can't blame her though) was to improve my English
> writing skills back when I was 13.
It worked seemingly (though I'm not in the position to judge).
>>I also have a question:
[...]
>>Voldemort. Is there a description about how that happened?
>
>
> There isn't any real evidence from JK herself as far as I know but it
> probably was Peter Pettigrew though it could be Snape too ... but since
> he wasn't in contact with Voldemort before he came back to power it
> couldn't really be him ... This is what I found at The Leaky Cauldron
> ... (http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/MTarchives/005013.html) ...
>
> HP4U has posted a report from the Edinburgh Festival where JKR answered
> a few new questions from two lucky young fans.
>
> "...to where JK Rowling was, given our wristbands, then we went to meet
> her. We said hello and she told us 'she was really glad we could make
> it'. I told her I was really glad to be there and her books were the
> best, I said I wish I could have asked her a question and so she told
> me to 'go on then, ask away!'. I asked JK Rowling would Professor
> Lockhart get out of St Mungos, get his memory back and be in any of the
> next books?, she said no to all of these questions.
> I also asked when Harries [sic] parents were killed by Voldermort,
> Wormtail turned into a rat and pretended to be dead. How then did he
> give Voldermort his wand and robe back once he found him and helped
> give him back his body ?, she told me (after tapping her nose!) 'he hid
> them'. "
Now I'm curious how and where he hid them. Cannot wait for HP7!
> Its just a fan report so not real proof but still ...
Thanks - gerriT
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| Re: Voldemort's Wand - and sorry... [message #156677 ] |
Wed, 26 October 2005 03:03 |
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"zgirnius" <zgirnius [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1130252547.885531.147940 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> We don't see firsthand how Peter found Voldemort. However, Voldemort
> tells the story to the Death Eaters in "The Death Eaters" chapter of
> GoF. (Peter tracked him down in Albania, and brought Bertha Jorkins to
> him. He also helped Voldemort to regain a semblance of a body.) I think
> Peter must have given him the wand at that point (in Albania, not in
> the graveyard). In the first chapter of GoF Voldemort uses his wand to
> kill Frank Bryce, the groundskeeper at the Riddle mansion.
>
I was under the impression that Peter, as a rat, was able to communicate
with the forest creatures in the Albanian forest and they led him to the
presence that was possessing and killing some of them. As for knowing to
look in Albania, he Did live in the Weasly home for years and since DD knew
that V was in Albania, it's not out of the question to assume that Arthur
might know too and be overheard discussing it with Molly late one night.
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| Re: Voldemort's Wand - and sorry... [message #156679 ] |
Wed, 26 October 2005 03:23 |
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| Re: Voldemort's Wand - and sorry... [message #156685 ] |
Wed, 26 October 2005 04:50 |
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Imagun Aqilya wrote:
>
> I was under the impression that Peter, as a rat, was able to communicate
> with the forest creatures in the Albanian forest and they led him to the
> presence that was possessing and killing some of them.
Yes, that makes sense. Nice detail.
>As for knowing to
> look in Albania, he Did live in the Weasly home for years and since DD knew
> that V was in Albania, it's not out of the question to assume that Arthur
> might know too and be overheard discussing it with Molly late one night.
This I'm sure is right. He could also wander around Hogwarts trying to
find useful conversations. I don't doubt sneaking around in rat form is
where he learned V. was in Albania. (Isn't that where Quirrell ran into
V, too?)
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| Re: Voldemort's Wand - and sorry... [message #156716 ] |
Wed, 26 October 2005 08:43 |
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Yeah ... Albania was Voldemort's hiding place ... to which he returned
when Quirrel died ...
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| Re: Voldemort's Wand - and sorry... [message #156741 ] |
Wed, 26 October 2005 11:06 |
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In article <9dmtl1lhokmdvhpbti0kg6k182d62c0nsc [at] 4ax.com>,
Don Reeves <don [at] donreeves.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:39:08 GMT, Gerrit Vicin <gerrit [at] blinx.de>
>wrote:
>
>>> I also asked when Harries [sic] parents were killed by Voldermort,
>>> Wormtail turned into a rat and pretended to be dead. How then did he
>>> give Voldermort his wand and robe back once he found him and helped
>>> give him back his body ?, she told me (after tapping her nose!) 'he hid
>>> them'. "
>>
>>Now I'm curious how and where he hid them. Cannot wait for HP7!
>>
>>> Its just a fan report so not real proof but still ...
>>Thanks - gerriT
>
>It doesn't seem to me that Jo considers this detail important enough
>to spend much time on it. I assume that as a rat, Peter could hide it
>pretty easily down the sewer (presumably not the one he blew up.)
He doesn't even have to have hidden them anywhere specific.
An animagus carries all his clothing and whatever is in his pockets with
him when he transforms. McGonagall has her glasses on and her wand, as
well as all her clothes, when she transforms into a cat and back again.
Peter still had all his clothes when he changed back in PoA. (You have
to read carefully, but it's there.) So he could easily have had
Voldemort's wand in his pocket, and if he had stuffed the robe inside
his coat before he changed, he could have had that with him all those
years too. Or he could have changed back for ten minutes somewhere and
hidden them then. There was no point in giving them to Voldemort before
Voldemort had a body to hold them with.
=Tamar
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| Re: Voldemort's Wand - and sorry... [message #156742 ] |
Wed, 26 October 2005 11:08 |
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In article <1130260895.277573 [at] news.blinx.de>,
Gerrit Vicin <gerrit [at] blinx.de> wrote:
>Thanks to all for your welcome and your comliments! And for your answers
>of course. I should also than JKR for her 'tele-teaching'.
>
>As for my english I really have to contemplate some while before I
>write. Well, but I don't mind. Anyway I try to stick to 'first think
>then type'. What I hadn't done before I asked my question. I found that
>it had been discussed here some while ago (MermaidsMom pointed that out
>to me).
It's not always bad to repeat a question. Sometimes there is new
information that will change the answer, or someone will have had
a new idea and a question will give them a chance to answer it
the new way.
=Tamar
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| Re: Voldemort's Wand - and sorry... [message #156751 ] |
Wed, 26 October 2005 12:28 |
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Don Reeves wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:39:08 GMT, Gerrit Vicin <gerrit [at] blinx.de>
> wrote:
[...]
>>>Its just a fan report so not real proof but still ...
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>>Thanks - gerriT
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>
> It doesn't seem to me that Jo considers this detail important enough
> to spend much time on it.
Probably you're right, yes. I guess it's symptomatic for HP-addicts
(like me) to pick on such details.
> I assume that as a rat, Peter could hide it
> pretty easily down the sewer (presumably not the one he blew up.)
> Don Reeves
gerriT
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| Re: Voldemort's Wand - and sorry... [message #156765 ] |
Wed, 26 October 2005 15:03 |
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Richard Eney wrote:
> In article <9dmtl1lhokmdvhpbti0kg6k182d62c0nsc [at] 4ax.com>,
> Don Reeves <don [at] donreeves.com> wrote:
> >On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:39:08 GMT, Gerrit Vicin <gerrit [at] blinx.de>
> He doesn't even have to have hidden them anywhere specific.
> An animagus carries all his clothing and whatever is in his pockets with
> him when he transforms. McGonagall has her glasses on and her wand, as
> well as all her clothes, when she transforms into a cat and back again.
> Peter still had all his clothes when he changed back in PoA. (You have
> to read carefully, but it's there.) So he could easily have had
> Voldemort's wand in his pocket, and if he had stuffed the robe inside
> his coat before he changed, he could have had that with him all those
> years too. Or he could have changed back for ten minutes somewhere and
> hidden them then. There was no point in giving them to Voldemort before
> Voldemort had a body to hold them with.
>
> =Tamar
LOL This is where we all get to slap our foreheads and say a big (all
together now...) DUHHHH. I think sometimes we get so stuck analysing
tiny details that we miss the bigger and more obvious solution!
M_m
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