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Fantasy » alt.fan.tolkien » The Black Club
| The Black Club [message #152546] |
Fr, 21 Oktober 2005 22:15 |
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I'm sorry for breaking the links, but Outlook won't let me answer
threads that have been going on for long. So. And no, I won't switch
to another newsreader.
Raven wrote:
> "Taemon" <Taemon [at] zonnet.nl> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:3rskugFkrr8aU1 [at] individual.net...
>> Hm. Well, you may not have streed cred, but you do have a certain
>> conviction. Want to be our mascotte?
> Like a monkey on a leash?
Sort of, yes. So what do you say? Free peanuts.
T.
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| Re: The Black Club [message #152548 ] |
Fr, 21 Oktober 2005 22:16 |
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Taemon wrote:
> I'm sorry for breaking the links, but Outlook won't let me answer
> threads that have been going on for long. So. And no, I won't switch
> to another newsreader.
Oh, so the first one _did_ arrive. Sorry. Still, Henriëtte, can we
move it over to this one? Thanks.
T.
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| Re: The Black Club [message #152551 ] |
Fr, 21 Oktober 2005 22:32 |
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Raven wrote:
> "Henriette" <heldenib [at] hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:1129919155.085131.60710 [at] g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Raafje, you do *not* want to be in the Black Club with Sauron,
>> Voldemort, Dart Vader and Taemon, where you are not accepted the
>> way
>> you are, complete with occasional ABBA-shirt and sandals, and where
>> the conversation is quite shallow (see Tamf Moo's example). So also
>> you do not have to threaten, insult and use violence to get their
>> approval!
Insults might get my approval, if they are done cleverly. My top three
is:
3. It's not easy to underestimate you (Taemon)
2. You give depression a bad name (movie As good as it gets)
1. Die is vast ooit eens prins Carnaval geweest (kennis van mij)
> I wouldn't mind joining that Black Club, if I could kick out
> Sore-on, Voldesnort and Fart Vader to make room for myself.
Oh come one, you're not _that_ fat.
(Apologies if you don't find that funny)
> Unlike Taemon they're not my kind - too fond of hurting people
> unjustly.
Are you saying I am your kind or I am their kind? I'm a little lamb,
really. I never hurt people. And I am justness itself (much to the irk
of the people around me - apparently you can hear "It's the principle
of the thing!" too often).
> And if I could change its name from Black Club to Black Axe, of
> course.
I was thinking along the lines of "Bende van de Zwarte Hand" but "Gang
of the Black Hand" just doesn't mean the same thing. Henriëtte, ideas?
T.
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| Re: The Black Club [message #152556 ] |
Fr, 21 Oktober 2005 22:54 |
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Henriette wrote:
> Taemon schreef:
>> Dang. Okay.
>>
>> Spoiler
>>
>> Space
>>
>> Don't
>>
>> Go
>>
>> Beyond
>>
>> This
>>
>> Space
>>
>> If
>>
>> You
>>
>> Haven't
>>
>> Read
>>
>> The
>>
>> Latest
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> Potter
>>
>> Yet
>>
>> And
>>
>> Plan
>>
>> To
>>
>> Do
>>
>> So.
>>
>> All that time our second beep has been very, very lonely. Keeping
>> up
>> appearances in a hated environment where he wasn't at home and
>> wasn't
>> loved. Playing childish cruel games by way of an outlet. And how
>> easy
>> it was to play those games! I've never seen teenagers so easily
>> provoked as the Hogwarts students. It already went wrong in the
>> first
>> book, where Harry was wrong about him but never apologised. I say
>> that was a missed change. And there was that part where Harry stole
>> his memory and never apologised for _that_, either.
> I agree, it would have been wonderful when he had apologised. He
> would
> have been a saint.
He would have been _polite_. Then again, he was never taught how. Beep
#2 wasn't the only one with a sad background. (Mighty unrealistic
that, by the way. No child could have become half way sane with such a
rearing.)
> But he is a child. And zhir has never set the
> example. He is cruel. He sneers, takes points off Gryffindor, gives
> low marks and detentions for no reason. And he *never* apologises.
True. Shouldn't the Good Guy have risen above that? Shouldn't the Good
People around him have attended him to it?
>> Along comes our first beep, who did trust him, had faith in him.
>> But
>> his hathred goes so deep, he can't free himself of it, and he turns
>> it on his benefactor. How scared he must have been. And now he is
>> lost and he can't go home again. I find it very, very sad.
> It is *sad*. But we have the interesting point here, of how far one
> can go in their empathy. Many criminals have had the saddest of
> childhoods.
Which is why I always have pity (I guess I'm the White Sheep in the
Black Club). Imagine someone roving the streets, killing, raping,
stealing... how profoundly unhappy must someone like that be? How
broken up inside? How lonely?
I'm not saying we just let them be. I'm saying that punishment has
never done any good.
>> But I might be prejudiced by the actor who plays him in the movies
>> :-)
> He should be in the Club... Clad in black, stylish and cruel, like
> you
> and the other members;-)
Oooooh... You are totally right. But I can't say his name because of
the spoiler... Oh, he is in. He is SO in! Wow, this club just got so
much cooler.
> He is a *grand* actor. Especially since I saw an interview with him
> and he appears to be a very different person in RL. Someone said he
> plays a really sweet man in Sense and Sensibility, which I haven't
> seen.
I have. He was sweet, but also much older than the woman, and that
always disgusts me. I loved him in Dogma. Seen that movie? I love it.
T.
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| Re: The Black Club [message #154302 ] |
Sa, 22 Oktober 2005 17:34 |
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Taemon schreef:
> Taemon wrote:
>
> > I'm sorry for breaking the links, but Outlook won't let me answer
> > threads that have been going on for long. So. And no, I won't switch
> > to another newsreader.
>
> Oh, so the first one _did_ arrive. Sorry. Still, Henri=EBtte, can we
> move it over to this one? Thanks.
>
Fine with me, even though I don't understand why you take the Black
Club and the HP-subjects out of the thread together and name the new
thread after the Black Club. I see you are telling Een Wilde Ier off,
but it appears like a good idea to to write: Spoilers-HP! as a
subject-line -so posters who wish can ignore the thread.
H=2E
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| Re: The Black Club [message #154303 ] |
Sa, 22 Oktober 2005 17:42 |
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Taemon schreef:
> Raven wrote:
>
> > Unlike Taemon they're not my kind - too fond of hurting people
> > unjustly.
>
> Are you saying I am your kind or I am their kind?
I think Raafje says your his kind. Although you never know, because it
is in his blood to unexpectedly say either very nice things or
insults;-)
>
> I was thinking along the lines of "Bende van de Zwarte Hand" but "Gang
> of the Black Hand" just doesn't mean the same thing. Henri=EBtte, ideas?
>
I think The Black Club is awesome (it was my idea;-) It is the name of
the other Club which worries me, because the White Council already
exists.
H=2E
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| Re: The Black Club [message #154304 ] |
Sa, 22 Oktober 2005 18:03 |
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Taemon schreef:
> Henriette wrote:
>
> > But he is a child. And zhir has never set the
> > example. He is cruel. He sneers, takes points off Gryffindor, gives
> > low marks and detentions for no reason. And he *never* apologises.
>
> True. Shouldn't the Good Guy have risen above that?
The Good Guy in this case is a young orphan.
> Shouldn't the Good
> People around him have attended him to it?
>
Ideally, yes. But life isn't like that, that all Good People have an
easy life and all Crooks have had a hard youth.
> >> Along comes our first beep, who did trust him, had faith in him.
> >> But
> >> his hathred goes so deep, he can't free himself of it, and he turns
> >> it on his benefactor. How scared he must have been. And now he is
> >> lost and he can't go home again. I find it very, very sad.
> > It is *sad*. But we have the interesting point here, of how far one
> > can go in their empathy. Many criminals have had the saddest of
> > childhoods.
>
> Which is why I always have pity (I guess I'm the White Sheep in the
> Black Club). Imagine someone roving the streets, killing, raping,
> stealing... how profoundly unhappy must someone like that be? How
> broken up inside? How lonely?
How about the victims, do they come into play anywhere, or are they
just at the wrong spot at the wrong time? Or have they failed to remind
the Crook of his Divine nature?
>
> I'm not saying we just let them be. I'm saying that punishment has
> never done any good.
>
> >> But I might be prejudiced by the actor who plays him in the movies
> >> :-)
> > He should be in the Club... Clad in black, stylish and cruel, like
> > you
> > and the other members;-)
>
> Oooooh... You are totally right. But I can't say his name because of
> the spoiler... Oh, he is in. He is SO in! Wow, this club just got so
> much cooler.
>
Enjoy! (Call him Zhir...)
> > He is a *grand* actor. Especially since I saw an interview with him
> > and he appears to be a very different person in RL. Someone said he
> > plays a really sweet man in Sense and Sensibility, which I haven't
> > seen.
>
> I have. He was sweet, but also much older than the woman, and that
> always disgusts me.
That is a prejudice.
I loved him in Dogma. Seen that movie?
No.
H.
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| Re: The Black Club [message #154307 ] |
Sa, 22 Oktober 2005 03:43 |
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"Taemon" <Taemon [at] zonnet.nl> skrev i en meddelelse
news:3rt1jfFl4eqqU1 [at] individual.net...
> Raven wrote:
> > Unlike Taemon they're not my kind - too fond of hurting people
> > unjustly.
> Are you saying I am your kind or I am their kind? I'm a little lamb,
> really. I never hurt people. And I am justness itself (much to the irk
> of the people around me - apparently you can hear "It's the principle
> of the thing!" too often).
Thass what I said, wannit? Yer not their kind, since they like to hurt
people unjustly.
Raafje.
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| Re: The Black Club [message #154308 ] |
Sa, 22 Oktober 2005 04:03 |
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"Taemon" <Taemon [at] zonnet.nl> skrev i en meddelelse
news:3rt0ilFlct36U2 [at] individual.net...
> Raven wrote:
> > Like a monkey on a leash?
> Sort of, yes. So what do you say? Free peanuts.
Someone puts a leash on me, I'll feel strongly tempted to hang him from
it. As for the monkey thing, I'm a watered-down version of a certain
Librarian, I suppose.
Hraban.
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| HARRY POTTER SPOILERS! Re: The Black Club [message #154323 ] |
So, 23 Oktober 2005 00:35 |
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Henriette wrote:
> Taemon schreef:
>
>
>>Henriette wrote:
>>
>>
>>>But he is a child. And zhir has never set the
>>>example. He is cruel. He sneers, takes points off Gryffindor, gives
>>>low marks and detentions for no reason. And he *never* apologises.
>>
>>True. Shouldn't the Good Guy have risen above that?
>
>
> The Good Guy in this case is a young orphan.
Yes, he is entirely to blame for his treatment of the orphan.
>>Shouldn't the Good
>>People around him have attended him to it?
>>
>
> Ideally, yes. But life isn't like that, that all Good People have an
> easy life and all Crooks have had a hard youth.
Very true. Rich people and poor are each as likely to turn out 'bad'.
>>>>Along comes our first beep, who did trust him, had faith in him.
>>>>But
>>>>his hathred goes so deep, he can't free himself of it, and he turns
>>>>it on his benefactor. How scared he must have been. And now he is
>>>>lost and he can't go home again. I find it very, very sad.
>>>
>>>It is *sad*. But we have the interesting point here, of how far one
>>>can go in their empathy. Many criminals have had the saddest of
>>>childhoods.
>>
>>Which is why I always have pity (I guess I'm the White Sheep in the
>>Black Club). Imagine someone roving the streets, killing, raping,
>>stealing... how profoundly unhappy must someone like that be? How
>>broken up inside? How lonely?
>
>
> How about the victims, do they come into play anywhere, or are they
> just at the wrong spot at the wrong time? Or have they failed to remind
> the Crook of his Divine nature?
It's said thatbullys are often victims in their own childhood. I can see
how that could dehumanise someone.
Did someone mention sheep?
>>I'm not saying we just let them be. I'm saying that punishment has
>>never done any good.
>>
>>
>>>>But I might be prejudiced by the actor who plays him in the movies
>>>>:-)
>>>
>>>He should be in the Club... Clad in black, stylish and cruel, like
>>>you
>>>and the other members;-)
>>
>>Oooooh... You are totally right. But I can't say his name because of
>>the spoiler... Oh, he is in. He is SO in! Wow, this club just got so
>>much cooler.
>>
>
> Enjoy! (Call him Zhir...)
Yes, I can imagine a circle of high-backed leather armchairs, the
occupants all sneering at each other ;-)
>>>He is a *grand* actor. Especially since I saw an interview with him
>>>and he appears to be a very different person in RL. Someone said he
>>>plays a really sweet man in Sense and Sensibility, which I haven't
>>>seen.
>>
>>I have. He was sweet, but also much older than the woman, and that
>>always disgusts me.
>
>
> That is a prejudice.
Yes!
> I loved him in Dogma. Seen that movie?
>
> No.
>
*takes note*.
Also, 'Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves' (where they copied all the
characters from the 'Robin of Sherwood' TV series - he, the unbelievably
dastardly Sherrif)
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| HARRY POTTER SPOILERS! Re: The Black Club [message #154324 ] |
So, 23 Oktober 2005 00:43 |
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Henriette wrote:
> Taemon schreef:
>
>
>>Raven wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Unlike Taemon they're not my kind - too fond of hurting people
>>>unjustly.
>>
>>Are you saying I am your kind or I am their kind?
>
>
> I think Raafje says your his kind. Although you never know, because it
> is in his blood to unexpectedly say either very nice things or
> insults;-)
Hey, what's wrong with that!? ;-)
>>I was thinking along the lines of "Bende van de Zwarte Hand" but "Gang
>>of the Black Hand" just doesn't mean the same thing.
A Robert Jordan fan? ("Band of the Red Hand")
>> Henriëtte, ideas?
>>
>
> I think The Black Club is awesome (it was my idea;-)
Yes!
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| HARRY POTTER SPOILERS! Re: The Black Club [message #154325 ] |
So, 23 Oktober 2005 00:43 |
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Henriette wrote:
> Taemon schreef:
>
>
>>Taemon wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'm sorry for breaking the links, but Outlook won't let me answer
>>>threads that have been going on for long. So. And no, I won't switch
>>>to another newsreader.
>>
>>Oh, so the first one _did_ arrive. Sorry. Still, Henriëtte, can we
>>move it over to this one? Thanks.
>>
>
> Fine with me, even though I don't understand why you take the Black
> Club and the HP-subjects out of the thread together and name the new
> thread after the Black Club. I see you are telling Een Wilde Ier off,
> but it appears like a good idea to to write: Spoilers-HP! as a
> subject-line -so posters who wish can ignore the thread.
Yes ;-)
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| Re: The Black Club [message #154339 ] |
Sa, 22 Oktober 2005 20:38 |
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"Henriette" <heldenib [at] hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:1129995770.618528.97620 [at] g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I think The Black Club is awesome (it was my idea;-) It is the
> name of the other Club which worries me, because the White
> Council already exists.
So the Black Club is the Queen of Clubs then?
Raafje.
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| Re: HARRY POTTER SPOILERS! Re: The Black Club [message #154340 ] |
So, 23 Oktober 2005 06:23 |
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"Een Wilde Ier" <maoltuile [at] utvinternet.ie> skrev i en meddelelse
news:3rvtjoFls5n5U1 [at] individual.net...
> Henriette wrote:
> > I think Raafje says your his kind. Although you never know, because it
> > is in his blood to unexpectedly say either very nice things or
> > insults;-)
> Hey, what's wrong with that!? ;-)
You are certainly one fine, standup Irishman for that remark. I think we
may become very good friends after all. :-)
Crú.
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| Re: The Black Club [message #154354 ] |
So, 23 Oktober 2005 11:45 |
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Raven spoke softly, shivering:
> > I think The Black Club is awesome (it was my idea;-) It is the
> > name of the other Club which worries me, because the White
> > Council already exists.
>
> So the Black Club is the Queen of Clubs then?
i was certain this thread would be about some big, marvellous orkish
weapon and was sorely disappointed. }:8(
--
Tamf, lellow dwagin and CHOKLIT-eater at your service.
If you have two loaves of bread,
sell one and buy a hyacinth to feed your soul. (Persian proverb)
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| Re: HARRY POTTER SPOILERS! Re: The Black Club [message #154366 ] |
So, 23 Oktober 2005 16:01 |
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Een Wilde Ier wrote:
>> Taemon schreef:
>>> I was thinking along the lines of "Bende van de Zwarte Hand" but
>>> "Gang of the Black Hand" just doesn't mean the same thing.
> A Robert Jordan fan? ("Band of the Red Hand")
Begone with thy evil suggestions! I've never read one of those and I
never will, unless I somehow get locked into a stuck elevator with a
stack of books from Robert Jordan. No, this is from a very old Dutch
children's book, Pietje Bell. Which I never read, either. I just like
the sillyness of it.
>>> Henriëtte, ideas?
>> I think The Black Club is awesome (it was my idea;-)
> Yes!
Oh, alright. Grmbl. The Black Club it is.
T.
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| Re: The Black Club [message #154369 ] |
So, 23 Oktober 2005 16:08 |
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Raven wrote:
> "Taemon" <Taemon [at] zonnet.nl> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:3rt1jfFl4eqqU1 [at] individual.net...
>> Raven wrote:
>>> Unlike Taemon they're not my kind - too fond of hurting people
>>> unjustly.
>> Are you saying I am your kind or I am their kind? I'm a little
>> lamb,
>> really. I never hurt people. And I am justness itself (much to the
>> irk of the people around me - apparently you can hear "It's the
>> principle of the thing!" too often).
> Thass what I said, wannit? Yer not their kind, since they like to
> hurt people unjustly.
Just wanted to make sure. I could have read it as "I am not my kind,
unlike Taemon, who is". And, well, I'm only member of the club because
black is cool.
T.
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| Re: The Black Club [message #154370 ] |
So, 23 Oktober 2005 16:09 |
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Raven wrote:
> "Taemon" <Taemon [at] zonnet.nl> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:3rt0ilFlct36U2 [at] individual.net...
>> Raven wrote:
>>> Like a monkey on a leash?
>> Sort of, yes. So what do you say? Free peanuts.
> Someone puts a leash on me, I'll feel strongly tempted to hang him
> from it. As for the monkey thing, I'm a watered-down version of a
> certain Librarian, I suppose.
I couldn't help but notice that you didn't answer the question!
T.
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| Re: The Black Club [message #154372 ] |
So, 23 Oktober 2005 16:20 |
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Henriette wrote:
> Taemon schreef:
>> Taemon wrote:
>>> I'm sorry for breaking the links, but Outlook won't let me answer
>>> threads that have been going on for long. So. And no, I won't
>>> switch
>>> to another newsreader.
>> Oh, so the first one _did_ arrive. Sorry. Still, Henriëtte, can we
>> move it over to this one? Thanks.
> Fine with me, even though I don't understand why you take the Black
> Club and the HP-subjects out of the thread together and name the new
> thread after the Black Club.
Bah. With Lord Voldemort AND the actor that plays second beep in our
ranks, that Harry Potter upstart is really just a footnote in our
history.
> I see you are telling Een Wilde Ier off,
> but it appears like a good idea to to write: Spoilers-HP! as a
> subject-line -so posters who wish can ignore the thread.
Fine by me. As long as everyone can easily avoid the spoilers, that's
my main concern. Well, that and which of my black clothes to wear
tomorrow.
I had this awesome dream tonight, in which me and some others were
desperately trying to save someone who had forgotten her busticket and
was lured in the claws of some gang who wanted to, I don't know, catch
her and do something evil. We rescued her but couldn't get back to the
boat because the water was rising. We didn't have much time and a lot
of stuff to take. And when I thought I had all my stuff, I stumbled
upon... my wardrobe! My complete wardrobe was there, and I could only
take so much with me! And I had only a few minutes to make my
decision... So the purple velvet was out, you'll understand.
T.
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| Re: The Black Club [message #154373 ] |
So, 23 Oktober 2005 16:22 |
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Henriette wrote:
> I think The Black Club is awesome (it was my idea;-) It is the name
> of
> the other Club which worries me, because the White Council already
> exists.
I guess "The White Club" is too nouveau riche? What about "De bende
van de witte hand"?
T.
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| Re: The Black Club [message #154374 ] |
So, 23 Oktober 2005 16:26 |
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Henriette wrote:
> Taemon schreef:
>> Henriette wrote:
>>> But he is a child. And zhir has never set the
>>> example. He is cruel. He sneers, takes points off Gryffindor,
>>> gives
>>> low marks and detentions for no reason. And he *never* apologises.
>> True. Shouldn't the Good Guy have risen above that?
> The Good Guy in this case is a young orphan.
Is why I mentioned the Good People around him.
>> Shouldn't the Good
>> People around him have attended him to it?
> Ideally, yes. But life isn't like that, that all Good People have an
> easy life and all Crooks have had a hard youth.
In the real world, everyone with a childhood like that would turn out
a crook, I think.
>>> It is *sad*. But we have the interesting point here, of how far
>>> one
>>> can go in their empathy. Many criminals have had the saddest of
>>> childhoods.
>> Which is why I always have pity (I guess I'm the White Sheep in the
>> Black Club). Imagine someone roving the streets, killing, raping,
>> stealing... how profoundly unhappy must someone like that be? How
>> broken up inside? How lonely?
> How about the victims, do they come into play anywhere, or are they
> just at the wrong spot at the wrong time? Or have they failed to
> remind the Crook of his Divine nature?
Where do you see me *not* saying that, of course, all possible care
and help should go to the victim? I just don't think you will end up
with less victims if all we do with criminals is lock them in prison
for a few years.
I would put so much more resources in child care. Voorkomen is beter
dan genezen.
T.
>>
>> I'm not saying we just let them be. I'm saying that punishment has
>> never done any good.
>>
>>>> But I might be prejudiced by the actor who plays him in the
>>>> movies
>>>> :-)
>>> He should be in the Club... Clad in black, stylish and cruel, like
>>> you
>>> and the other members;-)
>>
>> Oooooh... You are totally right. But I can't say his name because
>> of
>> the spoiler... Oh, he is in. He is SO in! Wow, this club just got
>> so
>> much cooler.
>>
> Enjoy! (Call him Zhir...)
>
>>> He is a *grand* actor. Especially since I saw an interview with
>>> him
>>> and he appears to be a very different person in RL. Someone said
>>> he
>>> plays a really sweet man in Sense and Sensibility, which I haven't
>>> seen.
>>
>> I have. He was sweet, but also much older than the woman, and that
>> always disgusts me.
>
> That is a prejudice.
>
> I loved him in Dogma. Seen that movie?
>
> No.
>
> H.
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| Re: The Black Club [message #154375 ] |
So, 23 Oktober 2005 16:28 |
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Tamf Moo wrote:
> Raven spoke softly, shivering:
>> So the Black Club is the Queen of Clubs then?
> i was certain this thread would be about some big, marvellous orkish
> weapon and was sorely disappointed. }:8(
Hm... we could use that as our coat of arms. A big black club on a
black field. Uncompromising yet subtle. I like it!
T.
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| Re: The Black Club [message #154376 ] |
So, 23 Oktober 2005 16:38 |
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Oops. Sent too soon.
Henriette wrote:
> Taemon schreef:
>> I have. He was sweet, but also much older than the woman, and that
>> always disgusts me.
> That is a prejudice.
No, it isn't. I know for a fact that it disgusts me.
>> I loved him in Dogma. Seen that movie?
> No.
I thought it extremely funny but I don't know if it would be to your
tastes.
T.
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| Re: The Black Club [message #154384 ] |
So, 23 Oktober 2005 18:38 |
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Taemon spoke softly, shivering:
> Hm... we could use that as our coat of arms. A big black club on a
> black field. Uncompromising yet subtle. I like it!
extremely subtle, i agree. so which would be blacker, the club or the
field?
--
Tamf, lellow dwagin and CHOKLIT-eater at your service.
Friend, don't ever be upset because you are so poor you are
eating off the floor. Who knows, tomorrow you might have a plate!
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| Re: The Black Club [message #154387 ] |
So, 23 Oktober 2005 19:01 |
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Tamf Moo wrote:
> Taemon spoke softly, shivering:
>> Hm... we could use that as our coat of arms. A big black club on a
>> black field. Uncompromising yet subtle. I like it!
> extremely subtle, i agree. so which would be blacker, the club or
> the
> field?
Both would, of course. You disappoint me, Tamf!
T.
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| Re: The Black Club [message #154388 ] |
So, 23 Oktober 2005 19:07 |
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<moved over to the Black Club-thread because of the ridiculous "Line
#4 too long"-feature in Outlook>
Tamf Moo wrote:
> Taemon spoke softly, shivering:
>>> the Black Club by originating a much better contrasting Club, a
>>> sort of White Council. Which would be so appealing and amazing,
>>> that
> <snip>
>> Would we have to wear... white? I mean, it's not impossible to be
>> cool and stylish and wear white but it is if you want to keep it up
>> for longer than five minutes.
> there are plenty of options apart from being stylish and cool, you
> know. if being stylish and cool is already demanding an effort from
> you -- such as dressing in black -- you're probably not doing it
> right, and might as well try something else.
And effort? Dressing in black? I'll have you know it would take quite
a lot of more effort from me to dress in yellow, or green, or...
<shudder> <hates Tom Bombadil>. The only thing even more effortless
would not to dress at all, and that option encounters some practical
problems. As it is October.
> such as being white and vicious. or white and menacing. or white and
> slightly off the ground, as our old friend Noeel Quickley
> (<http://www.livejournal.com/users/prophetum/>)
My skin's already white. I say that's quite enough whiteness in this
house!
T.
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| Re: The Black Club [message #154417 ] |
So, 23 Oktober 2005 21:10 |
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"Taemon" <Taemon [at] zonnet.nl> skrev i en meddelelse
news:3s1tv7Fm1aabU1 [at] individual.net...
> Tamf Moo wrote:
> > extremely subtle, i agree. so which would be blacker, the club or
> > the field?
> Both would, of course. You disappoint me, Tamf!
Like an inverted version of a drawing of a polar bear in a blizzard,
covering its nose and closing its eyes. Or a cow in a green field - but the
drawing is just a uniform green sheet, since the cow went away just earlier.
Kruk.
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| Re: The Black Club [message #154418 ] |
So, 23 Oktober 2005 21:33 |
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"Taemon" <Taemon [at] zonnet.nl> skrev i en meddelelse
news:3s1js3FlrujgU1 [at] individual.net...
> Raven wrote:
> >> Raven wrote:
> >>> Like a monkey on a leash?
> >> Sort of, yes. So what do you say? Free peanuts.
> > Someone puts a leash on me, I'll feel strongly tempted to hang him
> > from it. As for the monkey thing, I'm a watered-down version of a
> > certain Librarian, I suppose.
> I couldn't help but notice that you didn't answer the question!
Pay closer attention, then.
Raaf.
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| Re: The Black Club [message #156931 ] |
Mo, 24 Oktober 2005 20:46 |
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Raven wrote:
> "Taemon" <Taemon [at] zonnet.nl> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:3s1js3FlrujgU1 [at] individual.net...
>>>> Raven wrote:
>>>>> Like a monkey on a leash?
>>>> Sort of, yes. So what do you say? Free peanuts.
>>> Someone puts a leash on me, I'll feel strongly tempted to hang
>>> him
>>> from it. As for the monkey thing, I'm a watered-down version of a
>>> certain Librarian, I suppose.
>> I couldn't help but notice that you didn't answer the question!
> Pay closer attention, then.
You still didn't!
T.
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| Re: The Black Club [message #156932 ] |
Mo, 24 Oktober 2005 20:49 |
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Taemon schreef:
> Henriette wrote:
>
> > Taemon schreef:
> >> True. Shouldn't the Good Guy have risen above that?
> > The Good Guy in this case is a young orphan.
>
> Is why I mentioned the Good People around him.
You said: "Shouldn't the Good Guy have risen above that".
(snip)
> I just don't think you will end up
> with less victims if all we do with criminals is lock them in prison
> for a few years.
When you lock up criminals for a few years, you will always have less
victims.
>
> I would put so much more resources in child care. Voorkomen is beter
> dan genezen.
That goes without saying!
>
> T.
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| Re: The Black Club [message #156933 ] |
Mo, 24 Oktober 2005 21:03 |
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Taemon schreef:
> I had this awesome dream tonight, in which me and some others were
> desperately trying to save someone who had forgotten her busticket and
> was lured in the claws of some gang who wanted to, I don't know, catch
> her and do something evil.
They probably all had an unhappy childhood!
> We rescued her but couldn't get back to the
> boat because the water was rising. We didn't have much time and a lot
> of stuff to take. And when I thought I had all my stuff, I stumbled
> upon... my wardrobe! My complete wardrobe was there, and I could only
> take so much with me! And I had only a few minutes to make my
> decision... So the purple velvet was out, you'll understand.
>
Ofcourse. 1)purple is not black and 2) velvet is too sweet. So what
items did you bring, eventually?
H.
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| Re: HARRY POTTER SPOILERS! Re: The Black Club [message #156934 ] |
Mo, 24 Oktober 2005 21:12 |
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Een Wilde Ier schreef:
> Henriette wrote:
> > I think Raafje says your his kind. Although you never know, because it
> > is in his blood to unexpectedly say either very nice things or
> > insults;-)
>
> Hey, what's wrong with that!? ;-)
It has its advantages and its disadvantages. The advantages are that
the nice things appear extra nice and that Raafje is never boring. The
disadvantages are that one tends to always be slightly on guard with
him and that things may get confusing.
>
> A Robert Jordan fan? ("Band of the Red Hand")
Yezzz!
HB
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| Re: The Black Club [message #156935 ] |
Mo, 24 Oktober 2005 21:17 |
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Raven schreef:
> "Henriette" <heldenib [at] hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:1129995770.618528.97620 [at] g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I think The Black Club is awesome (it was my idea;-) It is the
> > name of the other Club which worries me, because the White
> > Council already exists.
>
> So the Black Club is the Queen of Clubs then?
>
LOL! No, the Black Club is the Black Club. The White Club could maybe
called The Club of Clubs!
EntHierre
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| Re: The Black Club [message #156944 ] |
Mo, 24 Oktober 2005 21:05 |
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"Taemon" <Taemon [at] zonnet.nl> skrev i en meddelelse
news:3s4ogcFm2jpuU2 [at] individual.net...
> Raven wrote:
> > "Taemon" <Taemon [at] zonnet.nl> skrev i en meddelelse
> > news:3s1js3FlrujgU1 [at] individual.net...
> >>>> Raven wrote:
> >>>>> Like a monkey on a leash?
> >>>> Sort of, yes. So what do you say? Free peanuts.
> >>> Someone puts a leash on me, I'll feel strongly tempted to hang
> >>> him from it. As for the monkey thing, I'm a watered-down
> >>> version of a certain Librarian, I suppose.
> >> I couldn't help but notice that you didn't answer the question!
> > Pay closer attention, then.
> You still didn't!
Come off it, boyo! Don't you know a threat when you see one? Can't you
judge a growl when you hear one?
Hrafn.
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| Re: The Black Club [message #156946 ] |
Mo, 24 Oktober 2005 23:24 |
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"Henriette" <heldenib [at] hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:1130181459.775345.153330 [at] g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> LOL! No, the Black Club is the Black Club. The White Club could maybe
> called The Club of Clubs!
In some seriousness, the name "The White Club" is not altogether without
political significance in the world these days. It may be used to refer to
the rich Western world, shutting out the poor peoples. Apart from the very
real and hands-on evils that racism has produced, it has also upset our old
cultural colour-codes, hasn't it?
Raafje.
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| Blasphemy and other types of insults; was: HARRY POTTER SPOILERS! [message #156947 ] |
Mo, 24 Oktober 2005 23:47 |
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"Henriette" <heldenib [at] hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:1130181168.966164.138980 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> It has its advantages and its disadvantages. The advantages are that
> the nice things appear extra nice and that Raafje is never boring. The
> disadvantages are that one tends to always be slightly on guard with
> him and that things may get confusing.
I rarely insult people on purpose. When I do, it's more a general insult
to certain types of people, such as when I refer to people who want to teach
religion in science class as "upright and able humans". People who know the
terms "Homo Erectus" and "Homo Habilis" know what the insult is. Then
people can take that insult if they judge that this is what they do. If I
dislike someone, I'll just refrain from answering. Or if I dislike some
posts, I may still reply politely to others from the same person.
However, I'm rather thick-skinned when it comes to insults aimed at me.
This has the benefit that I rarely lose any joy because somebody writes me
something so intended. It also has the disadvantage that I may hurt
people's feelings without knowing and wanting it - insult through clums, not
malice. I think I did that to you once.
I also feel that way in RL. I remember once in a pub some bloke wanted
me to do something which I disremember now. Never saw the bloke before,
never seen him since. I didn't want to do what he asked. He became so
upset that he wetted his middle finger in his mouth and flipped me the
grossest birdie I've seen, with as much scorn as he could mobilize. Then he
left.
I didn't bother to rise up and give him what for in return. There was no
bar brawl or a punch-up outside. What for? Being upset with some total
stranger for despising me for something where I don't feel guilty, that's
like snarling back in anger at some little dog barking "wif wif" at me from
its lair in its owner's purse. Not that I forgot the incident, of course,
or I wouldn't be telling it now, but it didn't register more than a
short-lived, minor adjustment on my feel-o-meter that evening.
It is rather worse to be scorned by someone I care for. It is even worse
to be scorned for an infraction that I did commit. I have some toe-curling
memories that I'm in no hurry to share with you lot ---
And now you can guess why I don't understand religious anger at
blasphemy. Such as the recent case in Denmark, where a newpaper tried to
probe limits by having twelve artists make drawings of the prophet Mohammad.
This was followed not only by anger in the local Muslim community, but also
by letters from ambassadors from Muslim countries to the Danish PM asking
him to take action against such drawings - which is beyond his authority by
Danish law anyway. Muslims believe that it is blasphemy to depict Mohammad.
Similarly I fail to see why some people are upset by flag-burning. Me, if
someone wants to make some statement by burning a Norwegian flag, let them.
I wouldn't burn a Norwegian flag (1), and no matter how much I disagreed
with some policies of some American administration, I wouldn't burn the
Stars and Stripes either..
<and thus one thing took another, and this post became much longer than i
intended it to be>
On a lighter note: if a trainspotter is someone who is deeply interested
in trains, what do we call someone who is deeply interested in Harry Potter?
A harryspotter?
(1) When a flag becomes so worn and ragged that it has to be disposed of,
you are not supposed to throw it in the trash can or reuse it as an old rag
to mop up dirt with. You are supposed to burn it, as a sort of cremation.
I believe it is the law, though I don't know if this law would in our modern
times be actually enforced.
Jon Lennart Beck.
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| Re: The Black Club [message #156971 ] |
Di, 25 Oktober 2005 11:36 |
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Taemon spoke softly, shivering:
> > extremely subtle, i agree. so which would be blacker, the club or
> > the field?
>
> Both would, of course. You disappoint me, Tamf!
*hangs head* i'm so sorry. i'll work harder to earn my... hey! i'm not
paid to advice you on matters of colour esthetics! i'm not even a member
of the black club! i disappoint myself!
--
Tamf, lellow dwagin and CHOKLIT-eater at your service.
You've heard of things that go "bump" in the night. This thing doesn't
necessarily go "bump" just in the night, but it usually does so near a
doorframe. Then it goes, "ow." (The Tall Ghost)
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| Re: The Black Club [message #156972 ] |
Di, 25 Oktober 2005 11:36 |
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Taemon spoke softly, shivering:
> And effort? Dressing in black? I'll have you know it would take quite
> a lot of more effort from me to dress in yellow, or green, or...
*SPARKLIES*! for the *fun*, **sparkly** disco nights at the black club.
> My skin's already white. I say that's quite enough whiteness in this
> house!
white hair would go well with halloween.
--
Tamf, lellow dwagin and CHOKLIT-eater at your service.
You've heard of things that go "bump" in the night. This thing doesn't
necessarily go "bump" just in the night, but it usually does so near a
doorframe. Then it goes, "ow." (The Tall Ghost)
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| Re: Blasphemy and other types of insults; was: HARRY POTTER SPOILERS! [message #156976 ] |
Di, 25 Oktober 2005 18:23 |
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Raven schreef:
(snip)
> However, I'm rather thick-skinned when it comes to insults aimed at me.
> This has the benefit that I rarely lose any joy because somebody writes me
> something so intended. It also has the disadvantage that I may hurt
> people's feelings without knowing and wanting it - insult through clums, not
> malice. I think I did that to you once.
You most likely did;-)It's OK, thank you for explaining.
> (snip) Being upset with some total
> stranger for despising me for something where I don't feel guilty, that's
> like snarling back in anger at some little dog barking "wif wif" at me from
> its lair in its owner's purse. (snip)
LOL. I must say, I'm getting very good at this as well, when people
take their bad moods out on me and I'm sure this has nothing to do with
me, to *not at all* take it to heart. But it took me some years to get
to this point...
> (snip)
>
> On a lighter note: if a trainspotter is someone who is deeply interested
> in trains, what do we call someone who is deeply interested in Harry Potter?
> A harryspotter?
>
;-) We didn;t have a pun-thread for a long time, didn't we? That's
probably because the Punmaster is not here.
Haven't you read HP VI yet?
EntHierre
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| Re: The Black Club [message #156982 ] |
Di, 25 Oktober 2005 19:21 |
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Raven schreef:
> "Henriette" <heldenib [at] hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:1130181459.775345.153330 [at] g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > LOL! No, the Black Club is the Black Club. The White Club could maybe
> > called The Club of Clubs!
>
> In some seriousness, the name "The White Club" is not altogether without
> political significance in the world these days. It may be used to refer to
> the rich Western world, shutting out the poor peoples. Apart from the very
> real and hands-on evils that racism has produced, it has also upset our old
> cultural colour-codes, hasn't it?
>
Sometimes I'm so immersed in the Tolkien symbolism, that I forget the
Outside world where "White Club" may indeed have negative connotations.
"Club of Clubs" then!
Talking of White Club, I read an interesting article on some
sustainable-development projects Norway helps carry out in Sri Lanka
and the intermediate role it played in establishing peace in the
region. Quite remarkable in a positive sense.
EntHierre
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