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Science Fiction » alt.startrek » One hundred and twenty-nine Trekkies...
| One hundred and twenty-nine Trekkies... [message #149947] |
Sa, 15 Oktober 2005 08:54 |
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....are members of my Trek fanfic group!
There's always room for one more. :)
TOS-up: about all Treks, from TOS, up.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tos-up/
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| Re: One hundred and twenty-nine Trekkies... [message #149987 ] |
Mo, 17 Oktober 2005 19:44 |
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"ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
news:G8SdnTZ9YJIGOs3eRVn-jg [at] comcast.com...
> ...are members of my Trek fanfic group!
>
> There's always room for one more. :)
>
When you change it to "Trekkers" I'd then consider it Mama..... the title
"Trekkies" conjures up all kinds of childish negative images for me...
sorry.
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JK Sinrod
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
www.sinrodstudios.com
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories
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| Re: One hundred and twenty-nine Trekkies... [message #149994 ] |
Di, 18 Oktober 2005 05:10 |
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:44:51 -0400, "Glassman" <jksinrod [at] aol.com>
wrote:
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>"ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
>news:G8SdnTZ9YJIGOs3eRVn-jg [at] comcast.com...
>> ...are members of my Trek fanfic group!
>>
>> There's always room for one more. :)
>>
>
> When you change it to "Trekkers" I'd then consider it Mama..... the title
>"Trekkies" conjures up all kinds of childish negative images for me...
>sorry.
Typical Trek fan. Only in it for the techbabble verbiage.
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| Re: One hundred and twenty-nine Trekkies... [message #149996 ] |
Di, 18 Oktober 2005 05:20 |
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in article dqR4f.14626$Hm3.6944 [at] fe09.lga, Glassman at jksinrod [at] aol.com wrote
on 10/17/05 10:44 AM:
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> "ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> news:G8SdnTZ9YJIGOs3eRVn-jg [at] comcast.com...
>> ...are members of my Trek fanfic group!
>>
>> There's always room for one more. :)
>>
>
> When you change it to "Trekkers" I'd then consider it Mama..... the title
> "Trekkies" conjures up all kinds of childish negative images for me...
> sorry.
>
Yep. It was always intended as an insult, and to use it otherwise is simply
wrong.
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You Can't Stop the Signal
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| Re: One hundred and twenty-nine Trekkies... [message #149997 ] |
Di, 18 Oktober 2005 05:23 |
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:20:20 -0700, ANIM8Rfsk <ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net>
wrote:
>in article dqR4f.14626$Hm3.6944 [at] fe09.lga, Glassman at jksinrod [at] aol.com wrote
>on 10/17/05 10:44 AM:
>
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>> "ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
>> news:G8SdnTZ9YJIGOs3eRVn-jg [at] comcast.com...
>>> ...are members of my Trek fanfic group!
>>>
>>> There's always room for one more. :)
>>>
>>
>> When you change it to "Trekkers" I'd then consider it Mama..... the title
>> "Trekkies" conjures up all kinds of childish negative images for me...
>> sorry.
>>
>Yep. It was always intended as an insult, and to use it otherwise is simply
>wrong.
Dressing up as a green skinned dancing girl is supposed to be a MENSA
qualification? Face it, the average Star Trek fan would smear
themselves with shit and fart out their mouth if they saw some
character on Star Trek do it. You respect those who don't turn into
"Rain Man" when discussing the "reality" of Star Trek.
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| Re: One hundred and twenty-nine Trekkies... [message #149999 ] |
Di, 18 Oktober 2005 08:45 |
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Trekkies. I don't care who doesn't like it. :P~
:)
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| Re: One hundred and twenty-nine Trekkies... [message #150000 ] |
Di, 18 Oktober 2005 08:47 |
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ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
> in article dqR4f.14626$Hm3.6944 [at] fe09.lga, Glassman at jksinrod [at] aol.com wrote
> on 10/17/05 10:44 AM:
>>When you change it to "Trekkers" I'd then consider it Mama..... the title
>>"Trekkies" conjures up all kinds of childish negative images for me...
>>sorry.
>>
>
> Yep. It was always intended as an insult, and to use it otherwise is simply
> wrong.
>
That is false. We called ourselves Trekkies from the start. Gene
Roddenberry called us Trekkies. It's not an insult. It's the original,
proper, classic term.
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| Transparent Aluminum is here! [message #150009 ] |
Di, 18 Oktober 2005 21:58 |
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Transparent Aluminum is here!
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123012131
Air Force testing new transparent armor
by Laura Lundin
Air Force Research Laboratory Public Affairs
10/17/2005 - WRIGHT-PATTERSON AIR FORCE BASE, Ohio (AFPN) -- Engineers here
are testing a new kind of transparent armor -- stronger and lighter than
traditional materials -- that could stop armor-piercing weapons from
penetrating vehicle windows.
The Air Force Research Laboratory's materials and manufacturing directorate
is testing aluminum oxynitride -- ALONtm -- as a replacement for the
traditional multi-layered glass transparencies now used in existing ground
and air armored vehicles.
The test are being done in conjunction with the Army Research Laboratory at
Aberdeen Proving Grounds, Md., and University of Dayton Research Institute,
Ohio.
ALONtm is a ceramic compound with a high compressive strength and
durability. When polished, it is the premier transparent armor for use in
armored vehicles, said. 1st Lt. Joseph La Monica, transparent armor
sub-direction lead
"The substance itself is light years ahead of glass," he said, adding that
it offers "higher performance and lighter weight."
Traditional transparent armor is thick layers of bonded glass. The new armor
combines the transparent ALONtm piece as a strike plate, a middle section of
glass and a polymer backing. Each layer is visibly thinner than the
traditional layers.
ALONtm is virtually scratch resistant, offers substantial impact resistance,
and provides better durability and protection against armor piercing
threats, at roughly half the weight and half the thickness of traditional
glass transparent armor, said the lieutenant.
In a June 2004demonstration, an ALONtm test pieces held up to both a .30
caliber Russian M-44 sniper rifle and a .50 caliber Browning Sniper Rifle
with armor piercing bullets. While the bullets pierced the glass samples,
the armor withstood the impact with no penetration.
In extensive testing, ALONtm has performed well against multiple hits of .30
caliber armor piercing rounds -- typical of anti-aircraft fire, Lieutenant
La Monica said. Ttests focusing on multiple hits from .50 caliber rounds and
improvised explosive devices are in the works.
The lieutenant is optimistic about the results because the physical
properties and design of the material are intended to stop higher level
threats.
"The higher the threat, the more savings you're going to get," he said.
"With glass, to get the protection against higher threats, you have to keep
building layers upon layers. But with ALONtm, the material only needs to be
increased a few millimeters."
This ability to add the needed protection with only a small amount of
material is very advantageous, said Ron Hoffman, an investigator at
University of Dayton Research Institute.
"When looking at higher level threats, you want the protection, not the
weight," Mr. Hoffman said. "Achieving protection at lighter weights will
allow the armor to be more easily integrated into vehicles."
Mr. Hoffman also pointed out the benefit of durability with ALONtm.
"Eventually, with a conventional glass surface, degradation takes place and
results in a loss of transparency," Mr. Hoffman said. "Things such as sand
have little or no impact on ALONtm, and it probably has a life expectancy
many times that of glass."
The scratch-resistant quality will greatly increase the transparency of the
armor, giving military members more visual awareness on the battlefield.
"It all comes down to survivability and being able to see what's out there
and to make decisions while having the added protection," Mr. Hoffman said.
The Army is looking to use the new armor as windows in ground vehicles, like
the Humvee, Lieutenant La Monica said. The Air Force is exploring its use
for "in-flight protective transparencies for low, slow-flying aircraft.
These include the C-130 Hercules, C-17 Globemaster III, A-10 Thunderbolt II
and helicopters.
While some see the possibilities of this material as limitless,
manufacturability, size and cost are issues the lab is dealing with before
the armor can transition to the field, the lieutenant said.
"Traditional transparent armor costs a little over $3 per square inch. The
ALONtm Transparent Armor cost is $10 to $15 per square inch," Lieutenant La
Monica said. "The difficulties arise with heating and polishing processes,
which lead to higher costs. But we are looking at more cost effective
alternatives."
Lieutenant La Monica said experimenting with the polishing process has
proven beneficial.
"We found that by polishing it a certain way, we increased the strength of
the material by two-fold," he said.
Currently, size is also limited because equipment needed to heat larger
pieces is expensive. To help lower costs, the lieutenant said researchers
are looking at design variations that use smaller pieces of the armor tiled
together to form larger windows.
Lowering cost by using a commercial grade material is also an option, and
the results have been promising.
"So far, the difference between the lower-grade material and higher purity
in ballistic tests is minimal," he said.
Lieutenant La Monica said once the material can be manufactured in large
quantities to meet the military's needs, and the cost brought down, the
durability and strength of ALONtm will prove beneficial to the warfighter.
"It might cost more in the beginning, but it is going to cost less in the
long run because you are going to have to replace it less," he said.
(Courtesy of Air Force Materiel Command News Service)
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You Can't Stop the Signal
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| Re: Transparent Aluminum is here! [message #150010 ] |
Di, 18 Oktober 2005 22:37 |
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"ANIM8Rfsk" <ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net> wrote in message
news:BF7AA206.57E3A%ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net...
> Transparent Aluminum is here!
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> http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123012131
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> Air Force testing new transparent armor
(snip)
Holy shit, this is real.
http://www.surmet.com/docs/Final%20ALON.PR.2.pdf
I can't believe it. "Transparent aluminum" truly is here.
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| Re: Transparent Aluminum is here! [message #150011 ] |
Mi, 19 Oktober 2005 00:11 |
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"ANIM8Rfsk" <ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net> wrote in message
news:BF7AA206.57E3A%ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net...
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> In a June 2004demonstration, an ALONtm test pieces held up to both a .30
> caliber Russian M-44 sniper rifle and a .50 caliber Browning Sniper Rifle
> with armor piercing bullets. While the bullets pierced the glass samples,
> the armor withstood the impact with no penetration.
>
> In extensive testing, ALONtm has performed well against multiple hits of
> .30
> caliber armor piercing rounds -- typical of anti-aircraft fire
Yeah, but if you throw a rock at it, it shatters into pieces.
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| Re: Transparent Aluminum is here! [message #150012 ] |
Mi, 19 Oktober 2005 03:47 |
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Very nice! Instead of encasing humpback whales for a ride to the future,
transparent alumninum may protect precious military lives. Scotty and
McCoy would approve. :-)
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
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| Re: Transparent Aluminum is here! [message #150013 ] |
Mi, 19 Oktober 2005 03:48 |
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sweet. :)
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| Re: Transparent Aluminum is here! [message #150014 ] |
Mi, 19 Oktober 2005 03:49 |
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Snake wrote:
> I can't believe it. "Transparent aluminum" truly is here.
What I am excited about is that nano-fabric. :)
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| Re: One hundred and twenty-nine Trekkies... [message #150015 ] |
Mi, 19 Oktober 2005 04:20 |
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FWIW, ANIM8Rfsk, nobody ever accused YOU of being a Trekkie.
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| Be Proud To Be A TREKKIE [repost] (Re: One hundred and twenty-nineTrekkies...) [message #150016 ] |
Mi, 19 Oktober 2005 04:29 |
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Why would anybody hesitate to declare themselves to be a Star Trek fan?
Trekkies cover the earth! There are hundreds of millions of Trek fans
worldwide, and more new ones are beaming up every day!
And why not? Star Trek, and the many movies and Trek shows it sired, is
an entertainment and cultural phenomenon that is unmatched in all of
history. No other fictional world caught the public's imagination and
ran with it internationally quite the way that Star Trek did.
Trek fans represent a significant portion of the world's population. In
numbers, we may equal or exceed Catholics! We are a mighty, mighty
international nation with no boundaries and no limits! Even the sky
isn't the limit to us! To us, the sky is just the beginning!
In the future of our imagination, the sexes, races, and nations are all
at peace with one another. Poverty and hunger have been eliminated, as
have most of our most deadly diseases. We have unified the world into
one prosperous nation, and have become so advanced in our philosophy and
technology that we assume a leadership role among the nations of the
greater galaxy! Is this not actually an extremely worthwhile set of goals?
In the future, guys like Captain Kirk carry our blueprint for living all
over the galaxy, and everywhere he goes, there are people that are
willing to become our friends, and to join forces with us to secure and
foster our common good. Wouldn't that actually be nice?
In the future, fantastic creatures like Mr. Spock share their amazing
talents with us, and seem to think we're pretty cool too! Isn't that a
fun thing to think about and look forward to?
In the future, bigotry and superstition are on the wane, and reason and
compassion rule the day. Why would any civilized, modern person be
ashamed to admit that they think that *that* would be a good thing?
What's nice about being an out-of-the-closet Trekkie is it's very
convenient. You don't have to wear your jaw out with tediously
explaining to people over and over that you go for all these concepts.
All you have to do is say: "I'm a Trekkie!" and practically anybody who
has some vague idea about what Star Trek represents knows what you stand
for. What a timesaver!
Another thing that's nice about standing up and standing out with your
Trekkie brothers and sisters is that you always can find a friend, no
matter where your travels take you. There are Trekkies almost
everywhere. As for the rest of the world...just wait!
Star Trek gave the world a highly palatable and practical vision to
shoot for, one which is desirable and humanly achievable. If the world
ends in plague and fire as the Bible warns, it will be because not
enough people thought and acted like Trekkies. If the world doesn't end,
if we survive this age of folly, it will be because, thanks to Star
Trek, we knew what else to do beside destroy ourselves, and we did it.
So proudly declare yourself to be a Star Trek fan, and let everybody
know you believe in working for a future that we all will enjoy living
in, and will be proud to bequeath to our children.
Laura Goodwin
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| Re: Transparent Aluminum is here! [message #150018 ] |
Mi, 19 Oktober 2005 04:59 |
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ToolPackinMama <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in
news:XJCdnWmFI5tYOMjenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d [at] comcast.com:
> sweet. :)
>
Now maybe they will be able to see where they are and going when they are
testing their FTL drive vehicles, and stop getting spotted by people on
dark country roads and reported as UFO's!
LLAP, Bob
"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails
of the last priest." -Denis Diderot (1713 - 1784)
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| Re: Transparent Aluminum is here! [message #150019 ] |
Mi, 19 Oktober 2005 05:01 |
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PzKfw Bob wrote:
> ToolPackinMama <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in
> news:XJCdnWmFI5tYOMjenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d [at] comcast.com:
>
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>>sweet. :)
>>
>
>
> Now maybe they will be able to see where they are and going when they are
> testing their FTL drive vehicles, and stop getting spotted by people on
> dark country roads and reported as UFO's!
LOL! ;)
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| Re: Transparent Aluminum is here! [message #150026 ] |
Mi, 19 Oktober 2005 07:11 |
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in article qqe5f.155043$qY1.71958 [at] bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net,
Marcovaldo at Marcovaldo [at] worldnet.att.net wrote on 10/18/05 3:11 PM:
> "ANIM8Rfsk" <ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net> wrote in message
> news:BF7AA206.57E3A%ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net...
>
>>
>> In a June 2004demonstration, an ALONtm test pieces held up to both a .30
>> caliber Russian M-44 sniper rifle and a .50 caliber Browning Sniper Rifle
>> with armor piercing bullets. While the bullets pierced the glass samples,
>> the armor withstood the impact with no penetration.
>>
>> In extensive testing, ALONtm has performed well against multiple hits of
>> .30
>> caliber armor piercing rounds -- typical of anti-aircraft fire
>
> Yeah, but if you throw a rock at it, it shatters into pieces.
>
>
I went out with a girl like that once . . .
--
You Can't Stop the Signal
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| Re: One hundred and twenty-nine Trekkies... [message #150029 ] |
Mi, 19 Oktober 2005 07:48 |
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Glassman wrote:
> "ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> news:G8SdnTZ9YJIGOs3eRVn-jg [at] comcast.com...
>
>>...are members of my Trek fanfic group!
>>
>>There's always room for one more. :)
>>
>
>
> When you change it to "Trekkers" I'd then consider it Mama..... the title
> "Trekkies" conjures up all kinds of childish negative images for me...
> sorry.
Well, SORRY, but the term "TREKKERS" is negative to me. We once were
all Trekkies, then the (post-TNG) "Trekkers" came along.
In my experience, Trekkers are snobs. Trekkers like to think that they
are somehow better than Trekkies (original fans), but IMHO they are not.
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| Re: One hundred and twenty-nine Trekkies... [message #150039 ] |
Mi, 19 Oktober 2005 17:56 |
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ToolPackinMama <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in
news:Ou2dnTqXJJu4Q8jeRVn-pw [at] comcast.com:
> Glassman wrote:
>> "ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
>> news:G8SdnTZ9YJIGOs3eRVn-jg [at] comcast.com...
>>
>>>...are members of my Trek fanfic group!
>>>
>>>There's always room for one more. :)
>>>
>>
>>
>> When you change it to "Trekkers" I'd then consider it Mama..... the
>> title
>> "Trekkies" conjures up all kinds of childish negative images for
>> me... sorry.
>
> Well, SORRY, but the term "TREKKERS" is negative to me. We once were
> all Trekkies, then the (post-TNG) "Trekkers" came along.
>
> In my experience, Trekkers are snobs. Trekkers like to think that
> they are somehow better than Trekkies (original fans), but IMHO they
> are not.
>
>
>
Frankly it's a moot point as all people who are not fans, considers us
Trekkies, I think the term is even now in some dictionaries. Anyway, we
are all fans, who cares of the label.
IMHO, Bob
--
"Whenever in future wars the battle is fought, panzer troops will play
the decisive role..."
Heinz Guderian, General der Panzertruppe, "Achtung! Panzer!"
"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the
entrails of the last priest." -Denis Diderot (1713 - 1784)
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| Re: transparent aluminum [message #150041 ] |
Mi, 19 Oktober 2005 18:10 |
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That is so cool, because transparent aluminum was featured in the movie Star
Trek IV The Voyage Home. Scotty uses it to trade with a guy that makes
aluminum stuff to get panels for the bays to hold the whales in the Klingon
ship.
"Dhakala" <NoPoliticalCalls [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129702912.511867.36580 [at] g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Bullet resistant too... great for sunglasses sold on eBay.
>
> http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123012131
>
> Air Force testing new transparent armor
>
> by Laura Lundin
> Air Force Research Laboratory Public Affairs
>
> 10/17/2005 - WRIGHT-PATTERSON AIR FORCE BASE, Ohio (AFPN) -- Engineers
> here are testing a new kind of transparent armor -- stronger and
> lighter than traditional materials -- that could stop armor-piercing
> weapons from penetrating vehicle windows.
>
> The Air Force Research Laboratory's materials and manufacturing
> directorate is testing aluminum oxynitride -- ALONtm -- as a
> replacement for the traditional multi-layered glass transparencies now
> used in existing ground and air armored vehicles.
>
> The test is being done in conjunction with the Army Research Laboratory
> at Aberdeen Proving Grounds, Md., and University of Dayton Research
> Institute, Ohio.
>
> ALONtm is a ceramic compound with a high compressive strength and
> durability. When polished, it is the premier transparent armor for use
> in armored vehicles, said. 1st Lt. Joseph La Monica, transparent armor
> sub-direction lead
>
> "The substance itself is light years ahead of glass," he said, adding
> that it offers "higher performance and lighter weight."
>
> Traditional transparent armor is thick layers of bonded glass. The new
> armor combines the transparent ALONtm piece as a strike plate, a middle
> section of glass and a polymer backing. Each layer is visibly thinner
> than the traditional layers.
>
> ALONtm is virtually scratch resistant, offers substantial impact
> resistance, and provides better durability and protection against armor
> piercing threats, at roughly half the weight and half the thickness of
> traditional glass transparent armor, said the lieutenant.
>
> In a June 2004demonstration, an ALONtm test pieces held up to both a
> .30 caliber Russian M-44 sniper rifle and a .50 caliber Browning Sniper
> Rifle with armor piercing bullets. While the bullets pierced the glass
> samples, the armor withstood the impact with no penetration.
>
> In extensive testing, ALONtm has performed well against multiple hits
> of .30 caliber armor piercing rounds -- typical of anti-aircraft fire,
> Lieutenant La Monica said. Tests focusing on multiple hits from .50
> caliber rounds and improvised explosive devices are in the works.
>
> The lieutenant is optimistic about the results because the physical
> properties and design of the material are intended to stop higher level
> threats.
>
> "The higher the threat, the more savings you're going to get," he said.
> "With glass, to get the protection against higher threats, you have to
> keep building layers upon layers. But with ALONtm, the material only
> needs to be increased a few millimeters."
>
> This ability to add the needed protection with only a small amount of
> material is very advantageous, said Ron Hoffman, an investigator at
> University of Dayton Research Institute.
>
> "When looking at higher level threats, you want the protection, not the
> weight," Mr. Hoffman said. "Achieving protection at lighter weights
> will allow the armor to be more easily integrated into vehicles."
>
> Mr. Hoffman also pointed out the benefit of durability with ALONtm.
>
> "Eventually, with a conventional glass surface, degradation takes place
> and results in a loss of transparency," Mr. Hoffman said. "Things such
> as sand have little or no impact on ALONtm, and it probably has a life
> expectancy many times that of glass."
>
> The scratch-resistant quality will greatly increase the transparency of
> the armor, giving military members more visual awareness on the
> battlefield.
>
> "It all comes down to survivability and being able to see what's out
> there and to make decisions while having the added protection," Mr.
> Hoffman said.
>
> The Army is looking to use the new armor as windows in ground vehicles,
> like the Humvee, Lieutenant La Monica said. The Air Force is exploring
> its use for "in-flight protective transparencies for low, slow-flying
> aircraft. These include the C-130 Hercules, C-17 Globemaster III, A-10
> Thunderbolt II and helicopters.
>
> While some see the possibilities of this material as limitless,
> manufacturability, size and cost are issues the lab is dealing with
> before the armor can transition to the field, the lieutenant said.
>
> "Traditional transparent armor costs a little over $3 per square inch.
> The ALONtm Transparent Armor cost is $10 to $15 per square inch,"
> Lieutenant La Monica said. "The difficulties arise with heating and
> polishing processes, which lead to higher costs. But we are looking at
> more cost effective alternatives."
>
> Lieutenant La Monica said experimenting with the polishing process has
> proven beneficial.
>
> "We found that by polishing it a certain way, we increased the strength
> of the material by two-fold," he said.
>
> Currently, size is also limited because equipment needed to heat larger
> pieces is expensive. To help lower costs, the lieutenant said
> researchers are looking at design variations that use smaller pieces of
> the armor tiled together to form larger windows.
>
> Lowering cost by using a commercial grade material is also an option,
> and the results have been promising.
>
> "So far, the difference between the lower-grade material and higher
> purity in ballistic tests is minimal," he said.
>
> Lieutenant La Monica said once the material can be manufactured in
> large quantities to meet the military's needs, and the cost brought
> down, the durability and strength of ALONtm will prove beneficial to
> the warfighter.
>
> "It might cost more in the beginning, but it is going to cost less in
> the long run because you are going to have to replace it less," he
> said.
>
> (Courtesy of Air Force Materiel Command News Service)
>
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Mi, 19 Oktober 2005 18:30 |
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| Re: Transparent Aluminum is here! [message #150044 ] |
Mi, 19 Oktober 2005 18:56 |
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"PzKfw Bob" <my2cents [at] worth.ca> wrote in message
news:Xns96F3E9F022EF6Knights.of.our.times [at] 216.196.97.142...
> ToolPackinMama <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in
> news:XJCdnWmFI5tYOMjenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d [at] comcast.com:
>
>> sweet. :)
>>
>
> Now maybe they will be able to see where they are and going when they are
> testing their FTL drive vehicles, and stop getting spotted by people on
> dark country roads and reported as UFO's!
Well, ya never know...
If they, like I hope, based upon string theory find a universe where a
particle travels faster than a photon...
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Do, 20 Oktober 2005 02:36 |
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"PzKfw Bob" <my2cents [at] worth.ca> wrote in message
news:Xns96F47986DEB78Knights.of.our.times [at] 216.196.97.142...
> ToolPackinMama <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in
> news:Ou2dnTqXJJu4Q8jeRVn-pw [at] comcast.com:
>
> > Glassman wrote:
> >> "ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> >> news:G8SdnTZ9YJIGOs3eRVn-jg [at] comcast.com...
> >>
> >>>...are members of my Trek fanfic group!
> >>>
> >>>There's always room for one more. :)
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> When you change it to "Trekkers" I'd then consider it Mama..... the
> >> title
> >> "Trekkies" conjures up all kinds of childish negative images for
> >> me... sorry.
> >
> > Well, SORRY, but the term "TREKKERS" is negative to me. We once were
> > all Trekkies, then the (post-TNG) "Trekkers" came along.
> >
> > In my experience, Trekkers are snobs. Trekkers like to think that
> > they are somehow better than Trekkies (original fans), but IMHO they
> > are not.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Frankly it's a moot point as all people who are not fans, considers us
> Trekkies, I think the term is even now in some dictionaries. Anyway, we
> are all fans, who cares of the label.
Indeed, TPM does. If it's not *her way* it's wrong. In this case she doesn't
even know what she is talking about when she says, "...then the (post-TNG)
"Trekkers...." If she actually *knew anything* of what she was talking about
she would know that the term Trekker has been around a very long time. I was
once a member of The United Federation of Canadian Star Trekkers and that
was in 1976. That's not even 10 years after TOS, so much for TPM's theory of
after TNG, eh.
Now I just refer to myself as a Trek-fan, 'cause it's funner to say.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trekkie
The term Trekkie is sometimes considered derogatory, perhaps because of a
perceived parallel to the term groupie. Some Star Trek enthusiasts prefer
the term Trekker, while some others hold the latter term to be stupid or
pretentious, and, for that reason, self-identify as Trekkies. Some Trekkies
even say that a Trekker is a Trekkie who is embarrassed for being Trekkie.
On the other hand, Trekker is sometimes used as a term for the kind of Star
Trek fan who is obsessed with the fine details.
"Trekker" actually has its origins in the early days. When the media picked
up on the word "Trekkies," some of the fans thought that sounded too much
like "Crazies."
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Qa'pla
Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
"Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty (Spectre of the Gun)
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| Re: One hundred and twenty-nine Trekkies... [message #150047 ] |
Do, 20 Oktober 2005 02:55 |
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"Kweeg" <kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:wEB5f.236529$1i.226915 [at] pd7tw2no...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trekkie
> The term Trekkie is sometimes considered derogatory, perhaps because of a
> perceived parallel to the term groupie. Some Star Trek enthusiasts prefer
> the term Trekker, while some others hold the latter term to be stupid or
> pretentious, and, for that reason, self-identify as Trekkies. Some
> Trekkies
> even say that a Trekker is a Trekkie who is embarrassed for being Trekkie.
> On the other hand, Trekker is sometimes used as a term for the kind of
> Star
> Trek fan who is obsessed with the fine details.
> "Trekker" actually has its origins in the early days. When the media
> picked
> up on the word "Trekkies," some of the fans thought that sounded too much
> like "Crazies."
Okay, there's only one way to solve this: naked mud wrestling.
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| Re: One hundred and twenty-nine Trekkies... [message #150049 ] |
Do, 20 Oktober 2005 04:24 |
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Marcovaldo wrote:
> "Kweeg" <kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:wEB5f.236529$1i.226915 [at] pd7tw2no...
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>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trekkie
>>The term Trekkie is sometimes considered derogatory, perhaps because of a
>>perceived parallel to the term groupie. Some Star Trek enthusiasts prefer
>>the term Trekker, while some others hold the latter term to be stupid or
>>pretentious, and, for that reason, self-identify as Trekkies. Some
>>Trekkies
>>even say that a Trekker is a Trekkie who is embarrassed for being Trekkie.
>>On the other hand, Trekker is sometimes used as a term for the kind of
>>Star
>>Trek fan who is obsessed with the fine details.
>>"Trekker" actually has its origins in the early days. When the media
>>picked
>>up on the word "Trekkies," some of the fans thought that sounded too much
>>like "Crazies."
>
>
>
> Okay, there's only one way to solve this: naked mud wrestling.
>
>
Darn it, the memo said JELLO!!! >:-(
<starts clearing out the fridge of jiggly stuff>
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| Re: Transparent Aluminum is here! [message #150069 ] |
Fr, 21 Oktober 2005 11:30 |
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"Admiral! There be Whales here!"
:-)
"Robert Bernardo" <rbernardo [at] iglou.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.61.0510182144120.9194 [at] shell1...
> Very nice! Instead of encasing humpback whales for a ride to the future,
> transparent alumninum may protect precious military lives. Scotty and
> McCoy would approve. :-)
>
> Truly,
> Robert Bernardo
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| Re: One hundred and twenty-nine Trekkies... [message #150074 ] |
Fr, 21 Oktober 2005 20:51 |
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>> When you change it to "Trekkers" I'd then consider it Mama..... the
>> title
>> "Trekkies" conjures up all kinds of childish negative images for me...
>> sorry.
>
> Well, SORRY, but the term "TREKKERS" is negative to me. We once were all
> Trekkies, then the (post-TNG) "Trekkers" came along.
>
> In my experience, Trekkers are snobs. Trekkers like to think that they
> are somehow better than Trekkies (original fans), but IMHO they are not.
Just newer.
I'm a trekkie, and a trekker and a star trek fan in all its incarnations.
And that means I hope for a better future, not that I necessarily believe
in weird aliens. Although I wouldn't be against life from other planets.
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| Re: Transparent Aluminum is here! [message #150076 ] |
Fr, 21 Oktober 2005 23:07 |
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ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
> in article qqe5f.155043$qY1.71958 [at] bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net,
> Marcovaldo at Marcovaldo [at] worldnet.att.net wrote on 10/18/05 3:11 PM:
>
>> "ANIM8Rfsk" <ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:BF7AA206.57E3A%ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net...
>>
>>>
>>> In a June 2004demonstration, an ALONtm test pieces held up to both
>>> a .30 caliber Russian M-44 sniper rifle and a .50 caliber Browning
>>> Sniper Rifle with armor piercing bullets. While the bullets pierced
>>> the glass samples, the armor withstood the impact with no
>>> penetration.
>>>
>>> In extensive testing, ALONtm has performed well against multiple
>>> hits of .30
>>> caliber armor piercing rounds -- typical of anti-aircraft fire
>>
>> Yeah, but if you throw a rock at it, it shatters into pieces.
>>
>>
> I went out with a girl like that once . . .
You throw rocks at girls??
--
Wouter Valentijn
www.wouter.cc
www.nksf.nl
www.zeppodunsel.nl
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| Re: One hundred and twenty-nine Trekkies... [message #150088 ] |
Sa, 22 Oktober 2005 18:44 |
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>> In my experience, Trekkers are snobs. Trekkers like to think that they
>> are somehow better than Trekkies (original fans), but IMHO they are not.
In your experience, you don't even have the definitions right, which makes
your foolish conclusions based on erroneous assumptions absolutely
worthless.
--
You Can't Stop the Signal
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| Re: Transparent Aluminum is here! [message #150090 ] |
Sa, 22 Oktober 2005 18:46 |
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in article 435958aa$0$11079$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl, Wouter Valentijn at
liam [at] valentijn.nu wrote on 10/21/05 2:07 PM:
> ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
>> in article qqe5f.155043$qY1.71958 [at] bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net,
>> Marcovaldo at Marcovaldo [at] worldnet.att.net wrote on 10/18/05 3:11 PM:
>>
>>> "ANIM8Rfsk" <ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:BF7AA206.57E3A%ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a June 2004demonstration, an ALONtm test pieces held up to both
>>>> a .30 caliber Russian M-44 sniper rifle and a .50 caliber Browning
>>>> Sniper Rifle with armor piercing bullets. While the bullets pierced
>>>> the glass samples, the armor withstood the impact with no
>>>> penetration.
>>>>
>>>> In extensive testing, ALONtm has performed well against multiple
>>>> hits of .30
>>>> caliber armor piercing rounds -- typical of anti-aircraft fire
>>>
>>> Yeah, but if you throw a rock at it, it shatters into pieces.
>>>
>>>
>> I went out with a girl like that once . . .
>
> You throw rocks at girls??
>
>
Not more than once. They shatter into pieces!
--
You Can't Stop the Signal
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| Re: Transparent Aluminum is here! [message #150093 ] |
Sa, 22 Oktober 2005 20:13 |
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ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
> in article 435958aa$0$11079$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl, Wouter Valentijn
> at liam [at] valentijn.nu wrote on 10/21/05 2:07 PM:
>
>> ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
>>> in article
>>> qqe5f.155043$qY1.71958 [at] bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net,
>>> Marcovaldo at Marcovaldo [at] worldnet.att.net wrote on 10/18/05 3:11
>>> PM:
>>>
>>>> "ANIM8Rfsk" <ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:BF7AA206.57E3A%ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In a June 2004demonstration, an ALONtm test pieces held up to both
>>>>> a .30 caliber Russian M-44 sniper rifle and a .50 caliber Browning
>>>>> Sniper Rifle with armor piercing bullets. While the bullets
>>>>> pierced the glass samples, the armor withstood the impact with no
>>>>> penetration.
>>>>>
>>>>> In extensive testing, ALONtm has performed well against multiple
>>>>> hits of .30
>>>>> caliber armor piercing rounds -- typical of anti-aircraft fire
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, but if you throw a rock at it, it shatters into pieces.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I went out with a girl like that once . . .
>>
>> You throw rocks at girls??
>>
>>
> Not more than once. They shatter into pieces!
Wow...
You should pitch for a baseball team I think.
--
Wouter Valentijn
www.wouter.cc
www.nksf.nl
www.zeppodunsel.nl
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| Re: One hundred and twenty-nine Trekkies... [message #150098 ] |
So, 23 Oktober 2005 02:24 |
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On 22 Oct 2005, the world was enlightened by ANIM8Rfsk's opinion about...
>>> In my experience, Trekkers are snobs. Trekkers like to think that they
>>> are somehow better than Trekkies (original fans), but IMHO they are not.
>
> In your experience, you don't even have the definitions right, which makes
> your foolish conclusions based on erroneous assumptions absolutely
> worthless.
>
>
From the Wikipedia entry for Trekkies:
"The first people to call themselves Trekkies are believed to be writers of
Slash fiction involving James T. Kirk and Mr. Spock."
No wonder she claims "we called ourselves Trekkies from the start". ;)
kev - 1st run TOS fan, Trekker forever.
--
If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough. - Mario
Andretti
The Eeeevil Cabal's Nine of Spades.
Wickeddoll's on-demand FP guru.
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| Re: Transparent Aluminum is here! [message #150099 ] |
So, 23 Oktober 2005 03:02 |
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"ANIM8Rfsk" <ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net> wrote in message
news:BF7FBADC.589E3%ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net...
> in article 435958aa$0$11079$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl, Wouter Valentijn at
> liam [at] valentijn.nu wrote on 10/21/05 2:07 PM:
>
> > ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
> >> in article qqe5f.155043$qY1.71958 [at] bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net,
> >> Marcovaldo at Marcovaldo [at] worldnet.att.net wrote on 10/18/05 3:11 PM:
> >>
> >>> "ANIM8Rfsk" <ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:BF7AA206.57E3A%ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net...
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> In a June 2004demonstration, an ALONtm test pieces held up to both
> >>>> a .30 caliber Russian M-44 sniper rifle and a .50 caliber Browning
> >>>> Sniper Rifle with armor piercing bullets. While the bullets pierced
> >>>> the glass samples, the armor withstood the impact with no
> >>>> penetration.
> >>>>
> >>>> In extensive testing, ALONtm has performed well against multiple
> >>>> hits of .30
> >>>> caliber armor piercing rounds -- typical of anti-aircraft fire
> >>>
> >>> Yeah, but if you throw a rock at it, it shatters into pieces.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I went out with a girl like that once . . .
> >
> > You throw rocks at girls??
> >
> >
> Not more than once. They shatter into pieces!
>
This thread is giving a whole new meaning to " Getting a piece of A** "
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| Re: One hundred and twenty-nine Trekkies... [message #150100 ] |
So, 23 Oktober 2005 04:20 |
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kev wrote:
>
> From the Wikipedia entry for Trekkies:
>
> "The first people to call themselves Trekkies are believed to be writers of
> Slash fiction involving James T. Kirk and Mr. Spock."
Woo HOO! Pwoned by KAYESSERS! WIKI SEZ SO! Yay! K/S slashers win at
the internets! :)
--
Jesus never said word one against Gays. (Laura Goodwin)
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| Re: One hundred and twenty-nine Trekkies... [message #150101 ] |
So, 23 Oktober 2005 04:22 |
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ToolPackinMama wrote:
> Yay! K/S slashers win at
> the internets! :)
And that's good cos the intenets is the only thing that really matters.
It's serious bizness.
:)
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| Re: One hundred and twenty-nine Trekkies... [message #150102 ] |
So, 23 Oktober 2005 04:28 |
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kev wrote:
> From the Wikipedia entry for Trekkies:
>
> "The first people to call themselves Trekkies are believed to be writers of
> Slash fiction involving James T. Kirk and Mr. Spock."
Oooo, I think I am beginning to understand why "Trekkers" rejected the
term "Trekkie". :)
IMHO, if you are homophobic, you are definately NOT a Trekkie. :)
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| Re: One hundred and twenty-nine Trekkies... [message #150108 ] |
So, 23 Oktober 2005 12:31 |
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ToolPackinMama wrote:
> ...are members of my Trek fanfic group!
Neener, neener. :)
> TOS-up: about all Treks, from TOS, up.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tos-up/
--
Jesus never said word one against Gays. (Laura Goodwin)
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| Re: One hundred and twenty-nine Trekkies... [message #150140 ] |
Mo, 24 Oktober 2005 03:04 |
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On 22 Oct 2005, the world was enlightened by ToolPackinMama's opinion
about...
>Jesus never said word one against Gays. (Laura Goodwin)
Laura Goodwin, however, has:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.star-
trek.enterprise/msg/4655699cc09e00c7?hl=en
"Pull the hamster out of your ass, look me right in the eyes, and say
that again, you jockstrap sniffing, urinal licking, cock-sucking FAGGOT."
(Laura Goodwin)
kev
--
Clones are people two.
The Eeeevil Cabal's Nine of Spades.
Wickeddoll's on-demand FP guru.
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| Re: One hundred and twenty-nine Trekkies... [message #156022 ] |
Di, 25 Oktober 2005 06:07 |
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ToolPackinMama wrote:
> ...are members of my Trek fanfic group!
>
> There's always room for one more. :)
>
> TOS-up: about all Treks, from TOS, up.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tos-up/
BTW, no flaming is allowed on my discussion list. One Hunded And Twenty
Nine People Think That Is A Plus. There are many Trek fans who are
weary of the pointless and bottomlessly nasty misbehavior that goes on
in the unmoderated usenet NGs. If you are one of those people, please
join us.
Your Trekkie pal,
Laura Goodwin KABEL :)
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