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Science Fiction » alt.startrek » Re: Ron Moore
| Re: Ron Moore [message #143464] |
Mi, 05 Oktober 2005 11:05 |
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"Spyderizer" <no [at] spam.com> wrote in message news:43438a43$1 [at] news.orcon.net.nz...
> Does anyone else think it's strange that we're now getting such excellent quality writing from the guy that's mostly responsible
> for Kirk's death in Star Trek Generations?
> Considering Moore's previous work history, the fact that we now have interesting characters, character growth and interactions,
> well written plots, he really has uped his game quite considerably.
Homosexual and Bestialsex character growth only.
> I'm wondering if there might actually be other factors, maybe the amount of creative freedom he had differs from what it was in
> Generations to what it is in BSG, or perhaps he's been paying attention to fan criticism.
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There is no question Sodomy symbolism is pervasive in BSG. But they want it subtle, just like
this guy Gerrold was trying to sneak into the Star Trek script. Gene Roddenberry caught the
Sodomy reference at the last minute and fired him.
Here is an account of how one homosexual activist scriptwriter working in Hollywood fought
to pressure Gene Roddenberry into putting Sodomy into Star Trek.
Mostly in his own words, so much of it may not be true.
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http://www.omnivore.org/jon/orwell/2001/Gay%20Trek/Gay%20Tre k.htm
A few months later, in late 1986, Gerrold began work on "Blood and Fire," his first -- and, as things turned
out, only -- "Next Generation" script. In the story, Captain Jean-Luc Picard and his Enterprise D answer a call
from a distressed medical research vessel. When the mission team beams over, it finds that the ship's crew is
infected with "Regulan blood worms," an apparently incurable pathogen so deadly that Starfleet Command has
ordered its officers to destroy any ship they contaminate.
Aside from its obvious reference to AIDS, the script also contained a casual nod to homosexuality. "How long
have you been together?" Commander Will Riker asks a pair of male officers who accompany him to the
blood-worm-stricken ship.
"Since the academy," one replies.
"This was during one of the worst parts of the AIDS crisis," Gerrold says. "Before protease inhibitors, before
AZT. AIDS was not a treatable condition; it was a fatal disease. And the fear of it was widespread, so much so
that blood donorship had reached critically low levels.
"On a more personal note, Michael Minor [art director for 'Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan'] and Merritt Butrick
[who played Kirk's son in the 'Star Trek' movies] were also infected."
In Gerrold's script, curing the disease required a complete blood transfusion. To treat the infected, the
worried Enterprise D crew was asked to donate blood. "I felt this plot point would raise the consciousness of 20
million 'Star Trek' fans overnight," says Gerrold. "In fact, I was hoping that we could put a card at the end of
the episode encouraging people to donate blood."
Gerrold never got a chance to lobby for that card. After a series of arguments with Roddenberry's underlings,
Gerrold quit the show, and the episode was permanently shelved. Gerrold says, half-joking, that the script got
caught up in "orifice politics."
The breakup was bitter. Roddenberry, who had sent Gerrold a telegram congratulating him on "Blood and Fire"
("Everybody loves your script"), now began badmouthing his work at "Star Trek" conventions.
"A large part of the problem was that Gene's health was failing," Gerrold says. "He didn't have the physical
strength he needed -- and he was experiencing mental lapses as well."
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Note how this last statement this homosexual activist scriptwriter makes about Gene Roddenberry after his death falls
into the category of "speaking ill of the dead" and is considered immoral. However, this is a clear cut calling card
of those supporting the homosexual agenda. I know of no other group of people which engages in that
commonly agreed upon to be immoral behavior anywhere near as often as Hollywood Homosexuals.
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| Re: Ron Moore [message #143468 ] |
Mi, 05 Oktober 2005 11:48 |
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"Spyderizer" <no [at] spam.com> wrote in message news:43439f57$1 [at] news.orcon.net.nz...
> John Shocked wrote:
>> "Spyderizer" <no [at] spam.com> wrote in message news:43438a43$1 [at] news.orcon.net.nz...
>>>Does anyone else think it's strange that we're now getting such excellent quality writing from the guy that's mostly responsible
>>>for Kirk's death in Star Trek Generations?
>>>Considering Moore's previous work history, the fact that we now have interesting characters, character growth and interactions,
>>>well written plots, he really has uped his game quite considerably.
>> Homosexual and Bestialsex character growth only.
>>>I'm wondering if there might actually be other factors, maybe the amount of creative freedom he had differs from what it was in
>>>Generations to what it is in BSG, or perhaps he's been paying attention to fan criticism.
>> Politics
> <snip>
> Do you remember when usenet trolls used to at least make an effort to be funny, clever and original? No? Well neither do I... It's
> depressing is what it is.
You have been here on the Usenet that long ? Why ? What issues are important to you which
have caused you to show up here with such regularity ?
"Troll" -- a term invented by public relations firms representing products
on the Usenet to describe uncontrolled, unpaid for speech, which does
not represent any organization other than the opinion of the Speaker.
This type of speech is the greatest danger to public relations firms
who cannot control that speech (by banning the speaker and deleting their messages)
on the Usenet like they can do on their own web sites and blogs.
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| Re: Ron Moore [message #143469 ] |
Mi, 05 Oktober 2005 12:06 |
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I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to John Shocked:
> "Spyderizer" wrote...
>> John Shocked wrote:
>>> "Spyderizer" wrote...
>>>>Does anyone else think it's strange that we're now getting such
>>>>excellent quality writing from the guy that's mostly responsible for
>>>>Kirk's death in Star Trek Generations? Considering Moore's previous work
>>>>history, the fact that we now have interesting characters, character
>>>>growth and interactions, well written plots, he really has uped his game
>>>>quite considerably.
>>> Homosexual and Bestialsex character growth only.
>>>>I'm wondering if there might actually be other factors, maybe the amount
>>>>of creative freedom he had differs from what it was in Generations to
>>>>what it is in BSG, or perhaps he's been paying attention to fan
>>>>criticism.
>>> Politics
>> <snip>
>> Do you remember when usenet trolls used to at least make an effort to be
>> funny, clever and original? No? Well neither do I... It's depressing is
>> what it is.
>
> You have been here on the Usenet that long ? Why ? What issues are
> important to you which have caused you to show up here with such
> regularity ?
Silly, this isn't about "discussing issues", it's about art and
entertainment. Usenet is a medium for displaying one's artistic ability,
and for being entertained by the abilities of others.
--
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Hail Eris! "The personal _is_ political."
Bent Depraved N. Deviant Cock-Smoker, Esq., Superfaggot
"Stupidity excuses nothing. It's only a reason...." -- Phxbrd
Economic Left/Right: -7.63 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.38
"The whining has just begun." -- John Wentzky
Killfiled by: directory; Anim8rfsk
"It's not nice to misrepresent Mother Nature."
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| Re: Ron Moore [message #143471 ] |
Mi, 05 Oktober 2005 13:28 |
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"The Secretary of HomInt3rn" <ý|<®åñ539ô9 [at] \/\/0é|\/|.6®0> wrote in message news:fAN0f.101222$tl2.37738 [at] pd7tw3no...
>I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
> Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to John Shocked:
>> "Spyderizer" wrote...
>>> John Shocked wrote:
>>>> "Spyderizer" wrote...
>>>>>Does anyone else think it's strange that we're now getting such
>>>>>excellent quality writing from the guy that's mostly responsible for
>>>>>Kirk's death in Star Trek Generations? Considering Moore's previous work
>>>>>history, the fact that we now have interesting characters, character
>>>>>growth and interactions, well written plots, he really has uped his game
>>>>>quite considerably.
>>>> Homosexual and Bestialsex character growth only.
>>>>>I'm wondering if there might actually be other factors, maybe the amount
>>>>>of creative freedom he had differs from what it was in Generations to
>>>>>what it is in BSG, or perhaps he's been paying attention to fan criticism.
>>>> Politics
>>> <snip>
>>> Do you remember when usenet trolls used to at least make an effort to be
>>> funny, clever and original? No? Well neither do I... It's depressing is what it is.
>> You have been here on the Usenet that long ? Why ? What issues are
>> important to you which have caused you to show up here with such
>> regularity ?
> Silly, this isn't about "discussing issues", it's about art and
> entertainment. Usenet is a medium for displaying one's artistic ability,
> and for being entertained by the abilities of others.
No it is not. The Usenet is here to share information on issues that people consider to be important.
This is not a chat room. Many chat rooms are available over at AOL and other places.
Check them out.
Politics
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| Re: Ron Moore [message #143474 ] |
Mi, 05 Oktober 2005 13:58 |
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I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to The Easily Shocked Cherry:
> "The Secretary of HomInt3rn" wrote...
>>I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
>> Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to John Shocked:
>>> "Spyderizer" wrote...
>>>> John Shocked wrote:
>>>>> "Spyderizer" wrote...
>>>>>>Does anyone else think it's strange that we're now getting such
>>>>>>excellent quality writing from the guy that's mostly responsible for
>>>>>>Kirk's death in Star Trek Generations? Considering Moore's previous
>>>>>>work history, the fact that we now have interesting characters,
>>>>>>character growth and interactions, well written plots, he really has
>>>>>>uped his game quite considerably.
>>>>> Homosexual and Bestialsex character growth only.
>>>>>>I'm wondering if there might actually be other factors, maybe the
>>>>>>amount of creative freedom he had differs from what it was in
>>>>>>Generations to what it is in BSG, or perhaps he's been paying
>>>>>>attention to fan criticism.
>>>>> Politics
>>>> <snip>
>>>> Do you remember when usenet trolls used to at least make an effort to
>>>> be funny, clever and original? No? Well neither do I... It's depressing
>>>> is what it is.
>>> You have been here on the Usenet that long ? Why ? What issues are
>>> important to you which have caused you to show up here with such
>>> regularity ?
>> Silly, this isn't about "discussing issues", it's about art and
>> entertainment. Usenet is a medium for displaying one's artistic ability,
>> and for being entertained by the abilities of others.
>
> No it is not. The Usenet is here to share information on issues that
> people consider to be important.
> This is not a chat room. Many chat rooms are available over at AOL and
> other places. Check them out.
"Chatrooms"?!? Feh. Usenet is much more fun, and fun is what it's all about.
--
____________________________________________________________ _______________
Hail Eris! "The personal _is_ political."
Bent Depraved N. Deviant Cock-Smoker, Esq., Superfaggot
"Stupidity excuses nothing. It's only a reason...." -- Phxbrd
Economic Left/Right: -7.63 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.38
"The whining has just begun." -- John Wentzky
Killfiled by: directory; Anim8rfsk
"It's not nice to misrepresent Mother Nature."
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| Re: Ron Moore [message #143477 ] |
Mi, 05 Oktober 2005 14:12 |
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"The Secretary of HomInt3rn" <ý|<®åñ539ô9 [at] \/\/0é|\/|.6®0> wrote in message news:odP0f.89256$oW2.48859 [at] pd7tw1no...
>I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
> Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to The Easily Shocked Cherry:
>> "The Secretary of HomInt3rn" wrote...
>>>I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
>>> Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to John Shocked:
>>>> "Spyderizer" wrote...
>>>>> John Shocked wrote:
>>>>>> "Spyderizer" wrote...
>>>>>>>Does anyone else think it's strange that we're now getting such
>>>>>>>excellent quality writing from the guy that's mostly responsible for
>>>>>>>Kirk's death in Star Trek Generations? Considering Moore's previous
>>>>>>>work history, the fact that we now have interesting characters,
>>>>>>>character growth and interactions, well written plots, he really has
>>>>>>>uped his game quite considerably.
>>>>>> Homosexual and Bestialsex character growth only.
>>>>>>>I'm wondering if there might actually be other factors, maybe the
>>>>>>>amount of creative freedom he had differs from what it was in
>>>>>>>Generations to what it is in BSG, or perhaps he's been paying
>>>>>>>attention to fan criticism.
>>>>>> Politics
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>> Do you remember when usenet trolls used to at least make an effort to
>>>>> be funny, clever and original? No? Well neither do I... It's depressing
>>>>> is what it is.
>>>> You have been here on the Usenet that long ? Why ? What issues are
>>>> important to you which have caused you to show up here with such
>>>> regularity ?
>>> Silly, this isn't about "discussing issues", it's about art and
>>> entertainment. Usenet is a medium for displaying one's artistic ability,
>>> and for being entertained by the abilities of others.
>> No it is not. The Usenet is here to share information on issues that
>> people consider to be important.
>> This is not a chat room. Many chat rooms are available over at AOL and
>> other places. Check them out.
> "Chatrooms"?!? Feh. Usenet is much more fun, and fun is what it's all about.
If you have reasoned opinions on issues of public importance, then let us hear them on the Usenet.
Otherwise, there are chat rooms elsewhere.
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| Re: Ron Moore [message #143603 ] |
Do, 06 Oktober 2005 02:53 |
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John Shocked wrote:
> If you have reasoned opinions on issues of public importance, then let =
us hear them on the Usenet.
> Otherwise, there are chat rooms elsewhere.
>=20
Who the fuck are you to tell anyone what to use usenet for? You abuse=20
it a will.
--=20
Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is none=20
more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant=20
to reason, and more contradictory in itself, than this thing called=20
Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too =
inconsistent for practice, it renders the heart torpid, or produces only =
atheists and fanatics. As an engine of power, it serves the purpose of=20
despotism; and as a means of wealth, the avarice of priests; but so far=20
as respects the good of man in general, it leads to nothing here or=20
hereafter. =96Thomas Paine
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| Re: Ron Moore [message #143605 ] |
Do, 06 Oktober 2005 02:56 |
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Dude - Gerrold has sued the pants off people for making the kind of
defamatory remarks you just made. Enjoy your house while you have it.
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| Re: Ron Moore [message #143667 ] |
Do, 06 Oktober 2005 11:19 |
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I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to John Shocked:
> "The Secretary of HomInt3rn" wrote...
>>I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
>> Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to The Easily Shocked Cherry:
>>> "The Secretary of HomInt3rn" wrote...
>>>>I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The
>>>>Goddess
>>>> Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to John Shocked:
>>>>> "Spyderizer" wrote...
>>>>>> John Shocked wrote:
>>>>>>> "Spyderizer" wrote...
>>>>>>>>Does anyone else think it's strange that we're now getting such
>>>>>>>>excellent quality writing from the guy that's mostly responsible for
>>>>>>>>Kirk's death in Star Trek Generations? Considering Moore's previous
>>>>>>>>work history, the fact that we now have interesting characters,
>>>>>>>>character growth and interactions, well written plots, he really has
>>>>>>>>uped his game quite considerably.
>>>>>>> Homosexual and Bestialsex character growth only.
>>>>>>>>I'm wondering if there might actually be other factors, maybe the
>>>>>>>>amount of creative freedom he had differs from what it was in
>>>>>>>>Generations to what it is in BSG, or perhaps he's been paying
>>>>>>>>attention to fan criticism.
>>>>>>> Politics
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>> Do you remember when usenet trolls used to at least make an effort to
>>>>>> be funny, clever and original? No? Well neither do I... It's
>>>>>> depressing is what it is.
>>>>> You have been here on the Usenet that long ? Why ? What issues are
>>>>> important to you which have caused you to show up here with such
>>>>> regularity ?
>>>> Silly, this isn't about "discussing issues", it's about art and
>>>> entertainment. Usenet is a medium for displaying one's artistic
>>>> ability, and for being entertained by the abilities of others.
>>> No it is not. The Usenet is here to share information on issues that
>>> people consider to be important.
>>> This is not a chat room. Many chat rooms are available over at AOL and
>>> other places. Check them out.
>> "Chatrooms"?!? Feh. Usenet is much more fun, and fun is what it's all
>> about.
>
> If you have reasoned opinions on issues of public importance, then let us
> hear them on the Usenet. Otherwise, there are chat rooms elsewhere.
Unless I'm in the mood, I don't do chatrooms, which are primarily for chat,
for socialising -- not displays of artistic talent, or enjoyment of such
displays by others. "Discussion of issues" is a relatively minor aspect of
usenet, compared to meowing and flonking.
--
____________________________________________________________ _______________
Hail Eris! "The personal _is_ political."
Bent Depraved N. Deviant Cock-Smoker, Esq., Superfaggot
"Stupidity excuses nothing. It's only a reason...." -- Phxbrd
Economic Left/Right: -7.63 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.38
"The whining has just begun." -- John Wentzky
Killfiled by: directory; Anim8rfsk
"It's not nice to misrepresent Mother Nature."
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| Re: Ron Moore [message #145119 ] |
Do, 06 Oktober 2005 17:19 |
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>"BYTE ME!" <donotreply [at] nowhere.com> wrote in message news:jA_0f.111692$%y6.6082 [at] fe09.news.easynews.com...
>John Shocked wrote:
>> If you have reasoned opinions on issues of public importance, then let us hear them on the Usenet.
>> Otherwise, there are chat rooms elsewhere.
>Who the fuck are you to tell anyone what to use usenet for? You abuse it a will.
Wrong. My usage of Usenet is in the best traditions of usage of the medium.
It is here to discuss issues of public importance, as its highest priority.
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| Re: Ron Moore [message #145228 ] |
Fr, 07 Oktober 2005 03:57 |
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John Shocked wrote:
>>"BYTE ME!" <donotreply [at] nowhere.com> wrote in message news:jA_0f.111692$=
%y6.6082 [at] fe09.news.easynews.com...
>>John Shocked wrote:
>>
>>>If you have reasoned opinions on issues of public importance, then let=
us hear them on the Usenet.
>>>Otherwise, there are chat rooms elsewhere.
>>
>>Who the fuck are you to tell anyone what to use usenet for? You abuse =
it a will.
>=20
>=20
> Wrong. My usage of Usenet is in the best traditions of usage of the me=
dium.
> It is here to discuss issues of public importance, as its highest prior=
ity.
>=20
> Politics
>=20
>=20
Wrong, you continually spam and abuse usenet.
--=20
Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is none=20
more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant=20
to reason, and more contradictory in itself, than this thing called=20
Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too =
inconsistent for practice, it renders the heart torpid, or produces only =
atheists and fanatics. As an engine of power, it serves the purpose of=20
despotism; and as a means of wealth, the avarice of priests; but so far=20
as respects the good of man in general, it leads to nothing here or=20
hereafter. =96Thomas Paine
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| Re: Ron Moore [message #145963 ] |
Sa, 08 Oktober 2005 17:11 |
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>"BYTE ME!" <donotreply [at] nowhere.com> wrote in message news:aCk1f.1223$XF5.777 [at] fe02.news.easynews.com...
>John Shocked wrote:
>>>"BYTE ME!" <donotreply [at] nowhere.com> wrote in message news:jA_0f.111692$%y6.6082 [at] fe09.news.easynews.com...
>>>John Shocked wrote:
>>>>If you have reasoned opinions on issues of public importance, then let us hear them on the Usenet.
>>>>Otherwise, there are chat rooms elsewhere.
>>>Who the fuck are you to tell anyone what to use usenet for? You abuse it a will.
>> Wrong. My usage of Usenet is in the best traditions of usage of the medium.
>> It is here to discuss issues of public importance, as its highest priority.
>> Politics
>Wrong, you continually spam and abuse usenet.
Wrong. I never spam. I answer all original and reasoned inquiries and challenges to my assertions
with original and reasoned responses.
When responses to my messages contain off topic nonsense and personal attacks,
I normally respond with some reasoned and on topic commentary to give the sender another
chance to return to the topic.
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| Re: Ron Moore [message #147686 ] |
Do, 13 Oktober 2005 08:23 |
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"Ross B." <me [at] privacy.net> wrote in message news:MPG.1db6839177e099519896c0 [at] news.usenetserver.com...
> In article <BsR1f.43946$lq6.35559 [at] fed1read01>, jshocked [at] hotmail.com says...
>> >"BYTE ME!" <donotreply [at] nowhere.com> wrote in message news:aCk1f.1223$XF5.777 [at] fe02.news.easynews.com...
>> >John Shocked wrote:
>> >>>"BYTE ME!" <donotreply [at] nowhere.com> wrote in message news:jA_0f.111692$%y6.6082 [at] fe09.news.easynews.com...
>> >>>John Shocked wrote:
>> >>>>If you have reasoned opinions on issues of public importance, then let us hear them on the Usenet.
>> >>>>Otherwise, there are chat rooms elsewhere.
>> >>>Who the fuck are you to tell anyone what to use usenet for? You abuse it a will.
>> >> Wrong. My usage of Usenet is in the best traditions of usage of the medium.
>> >> It is here to discuss issues of public importance, as its highest priority.
>> >> Politics
>> >Wrong, you continually spam and abuse usenet.
>> Wrong. I never spam. I answer all original and reasoned inquiries and challenges to my assertions
>> with original and reasoned responses.
> No, you never have.
False. But you are free to try it right now. Post an original challenge to any of my assertions and I will respond, again.
>> When responses to my messages contain off topic nonsense and personal attacks,
>> I normally respond with some reasoned and on topic commentary to give the sender another
>> chance to return to the topic.
> You just paste total nonsense. Never anything reasoned, and never on topic.
False. Here is another guide to the topic here:
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"Spyderizer" <no [at] spam.com> wrote in message news:43438a43$1 [at] news.orcon.net.nz...
> Does anyone else think it's strange that we're now getting such excellent quality writing from the guy that's mostly responsible
> for Kirk's death in Star Trek Generations?
> Considering Moore's previous work history, the fact that we now have interesting characters, character growth and interactions,
> well written plots, he really has uped his game quite considerably.
Homosexual and Bestialsex character growth only.
> I'm wondering if there might actually be other factors, maybe the amount of creative freedom he had differs from what it was in
> Generations to what it is in BSG, or perhaps he's been paying attention to fan criticism.
============================================================ ===========
There is no question Sodomy symbolism is pervasive in BSG. But they want it subtle, just like
this guy Gerrold was trying to sneak into the Star Trek script. Gene Roddenberry caught the
Sodomy reference at the last minute and fired him.
Here is an account of how one homosexual activist scriptwriter working in Hollywood fought
to pressure Gene Roddenberry into putting Sodomy into Star Trek.
Mostly in his own words, so much of it may not be true.
============================================================ ===========
http://www.omnivore.org/jon/orwell/2001/Gay%20Trek/Gay%20Tre k.htm
A few months later, in late 1986, Gerrold began work on "Blood and Fire," his first -- and, as things turned
out, only -- "Next Generation" script. In the story, Captain Jean-Luc Picard and his Enterprise D answer a call
from a distressed medical research vessel. When the mission team beams over, it finds that the ship's crew is
infected with "Regulan blood worms," an apparently incurable pathogen so deadly that Starfleet Command has
ordered its officers to destroy any ship they contaminate.
Aside from its obvious reference to AIDS, the script also contained a casual nod to homosexuality. "How long
have you been together?" Commander Will Riker asks a pair of male officers who accompany him to the
blood-worm-stricken ship.
"Since the academy," one replies.
"This was during one of the worst parts of the AIDS crisis," Gerrold says. "Before protease inhibitors, before
AZT. AIDS was not a treatable condition; it was a fatal disease. And the fear of it was widespread, so much so
that blood donorship had reached critically low levels.
"On a more personal note, Michael Minor [art director for 'Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan'] and Merritt Butrick
[who played Kirk's son in the 'Star Trek' movies] were also infected."
In Gerrold's script, curing the disease required a complete blood transfusion. To treat the infected, the
worried Enterprise D crew was asked to donate blood. "I felt this plot point would raise the consciousness of 20
million 'Star Trek' fans overnight," says Gerrold. "In fact, I was hoping that we could put a card at the end of
the episode encouraging people to donate blood."
Gerrold never got a chance to lobby for that card. After a series of arguments with Roddenberry's underlings,
Gerrold quit the show, and the episode was permanently shelved. Gerrold says, half-joking, that the script got
caught up in "orifice politics."
The breakup was bitter. Roddenberry, who had sent Gerrold a telegram congratulating him on "Blood and Fire"
("Everybody loves your script"), now began badmouthing his work at "Star Trek" conventions.
"A large part of the problem was that Gene's health was failing," Gerrold says. "He didn't have the physical
strength he needed -- and he was experiencing mental lapses as well."
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Note how this last statement this homosexual activist scriptwriter makes about Gene Roddenberry after his death falls
into the category of "speaking ill of the dead" and is considered immoral. However, this is a clear cut calling card
of those supporting the homosexual agenda. I know of no other group of people which engages in that
commonly agreed upon to be immoral behavior anywhere near as often as Hollywood Homosexuals.
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| Re: Ron Moore [message #147687 ] |
Do, 13 Oktober 2005 08:27 |
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"Ross B." <me [at] privacy.net> wrote in message news:MPG.1db6834eee3fc7e09896bf [at] news.usenetserver.com...
> In article <_pP0f.2774$lq6.1130 [at] fed1read01>, jshocked [at] hotmail.com says...
>> "The Secretary of HomInt3rn" <ý|<®åñ539ô9 [at] \/\/0é|\/|.6®0> wrote in message news:odP0f.89256$oW2.48859 [at] pd7tw1no...
>> >I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
>> > Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to The Easily Shocked Cherry:
>> >> "The Secretary of HomInt3rn" wrote...
>> >>>I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
>> >>> Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to John Shocked:
>> >>>> "Spyderizer" wrote...
>> >>>>> John Shocked wrote:
>> >>>>>> "Spyderizer" wrote...
>> >>>>>>>Does anyone else think it's strange that we're now getting such
>> >>>>>>>excellent quality writing from the guy that's mostly responsible for
>> >>>>>>>Kirk's death in Star Trek Generations? Considering Moore's previous
>> >>>>>>>work history, the fact that we now have interesting characters,
>> >>>>>>>character growth and interactions, well written plots, he really has
>> >>>>>>>uped his game quite considerably.
>> >>>>>> Homosexual and Bestialsex character growth only.
>> >>>>>>>I'm wondering if there might actually be other factors, maybe the
>> >>>>>>>amount of creative freedom he had differs from what it was in
>> >>>>>>>Generations to what it is in BSG, or perhaps he's been paying
>> >>>>>>>attention to fan criticism.
>> >>>>>> Politics
>> >>>>> <snip>
>> >>>>> Do you remember when usenet trolls used to at least make an effort to
>> >>>>> be funny, clever and original? No? Well neither do I... It's depressing
>> >>>>> is what it is.
>> >>>> You have been here on the Usenet that long ? Why ? What issues are
>> >>>> important to you which have caused you to show up here with such
>> >>>> regularity ?
>> >>> Silly, this isn't about "discussing issues", it's about art and
>> >>> entertainment. Usenet is a medium for displaying one's artistic ability,
>> >>> and for being entertained by the abilities of others.
>> >> No it is not. The Usenet is here to share information on issues that
>> >> people consider to be important.
>> >> This is not a chat room. Many chat rooms are available over at AOL and
>> >> other places. Check them out.
>> > "Chatrooms"?!? Feh. Usenet is much more fun, and fun is what it's all about.
>> If you have reasoned opinions on issues of public importance, then let us hear them on the Usenet.
>> Otherwise, there are chat rooms elsewhere.
> If only you followed that rule.
I do. More truth:
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"Spyderizer" <no [at] spam.com> wrote in message news:43438a43$1 [at] news.orcon.net.nz...
> Does anyone else think it's strange that we're now getting such excellent quality writing from the guy that's mostly responsible
> for Kirk's death in Star Trek Generations?
> Considering Moore's previous work history, the fact that we now have interesting characters, character growth and interactions,
> well written plots, he really has uped his game quite considerably.
Homosexual and Bestialsex character growth only.
> I'm wondering if there might actually be other factors, maybe the amount of creative freedom he had differs from what it was in
> Generations to what it is in BSG, or perhaps he's been paying attention to fan criticism.
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There is no question Sodomy symbolism is pervasive in BSG. But they want it subtle, just like
this guy Gerrold was trying to sneak into the Star Trek script. Gene Roddenberry caught the
Sodomy reference at the last minute and fired him.
Here is an account of how one homosexual activist scriptwriter working in Hollywood fought
to pressure Gene Roddenberry into putting Sodomy into Star Trek.
Mostly in his own words, so much of it may not be true.
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http://www.omnivore.org/jon/orwell/2001/Gay%20Trek/Gay%20Tre k.htm
A few months later, in late 1986, Gerrold began work on "Blood and Fire," his first -- and, as things turned
out, only -- "Next Generation" script. In the story, Captain Jean-Luc Picard and his Enterprise D answer a call
from a distressed medical research vessel. When the mission team beams over, it finds that the ship's crew is
infected with "Regulan blood worms," an apparently incurable pathogen so deadly that Starfleet Command has
ordered its officers to destroy any ship they contaminate.
Aside from its obvious reference to AIDS, the script also contained a casual nod to homosexuality. "How long
have you been together?" Commander Will Riker asks a pair of male officers who accompany him to the
blood-worm-stricken ship.
"Since the academy," one replies.
"This was during one of the worst parts of the AIDS crisis," Gerrold says. "Before protease inhibitors, before
AZT. AIDS was not a treatable condition; it was a fatal disease. And the fear of it was widespread, so much so
that blood donorship had reached critically low levels.
"On a more personal note, Michael Minor [art director for 'Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan'] and Merritt Butrick
[who played Kirk's son in the 'Star Trek' movies] were also infected."
In Gerrold's script, curing the disease required a complete blood transfusion. To treat the infected, the
worried Enterprise D crew was asked to donate blood. "I felt this plot point would raise the consciousness of 20
million 'Star Trek' fans overnight," says Gerrold. "In fact, I was hoping that we could put a card at the end of
the episode encouraging people to donate blood."
Gerrold never got a chance to lobby for that card. After a series of arguments with Roddenberry's underlings,
Gerrold quit the show, and the episode was permanently shelved. Gerrold says, half-joking, that the script got
caught up in "orifice politics."
The breakup was bitter. Roddenberry, who had sent Gerrold a telegram congratulating him on "Blood and Fire"
("Everybody loves your script"), now began badmouthing his work at "Star Trek" conventions.
"A large part of the problem was that Gene's health was failing," Gerrold says. "He didn't have the physical
strength he needed -- and he was experiencing mental lapses as well."
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Note how this last statement this homosexual activist scriptwriter makes about Gene Roddenberry after his death falls
into the category of "speaking ill of the dead" and is considered immoral. However, this is a clear cut calling card
of those supporting the homosexual agenda. I know of no other group of people which engages in that
commonly agreed upon to be immoral behavior anywhere near as often as Hollywood Homosexuals.
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"nobody" <nobody [at] nowhere.com> wrote in message news:pan.2005.10.15.08.14.22.124532 [at] nowhere.com...
> On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 08:11:48 -0700, John Shocked wrote:
>>>"BYTE ME!" <donotreply [at] nowhere.com> wrote in message news:aCk1f.1223$XF5.777 [at] fe02.news.easynews.com...
>>>John Shocked wrote:
>>>>>"BYTE ME!" <donotreply [at] nowhere.com> wrote in message news:jA_0f.111692$%y6.6082 [at] fe09.news.easynews.com...
>>>>>John Shocked wrote:
>>>>>>If you have reasoned opinions on issues of public importance, then let us hear them on the Usenet.
>>>>>>Otherwise, there are chat rooms elsewhere.
>>>>>Who the fuck are you to tell anyone what to use usenet for? You abuse it a will.
>>>> Wrong. My usage of Usenet is in the best traditions of usage of the medium.
>>>> It is here to discuss issues of public importance, as its highest priority.
>>>> Politics
>>>Wrong, you continually spam and abuse usenet.
>> Wrong. I never spam. I answer all original and reasoned inquiries and challenges to my assertions
>> with original and reasoned responses.
>> When responses to my messages contain off topic nonsense and personal attacks,
>> I normally respond with some reasoned and on topic commentary to give the sender another
>> chance to return to the topic.
>> Politics
> i beg to differ, you tend to flood your messages with inane tripe
> repeatedly usint the smae material over and over again whether it has any
> relation to what is being discussed or not.
> I have been avoiding commenting to you just out of principle but I just
> HAD to comment finally.
I wonder what principle that could be.
> I have no problem with your personal obsession but i realy have to
> disagree with you in almost every respect.
> Though I do agree that homosexual issues are coming up more and more in
> tv and the movies.
> I disagree that it is some PLOT by anyone, though i do agree that there
> are homosexual writers who are trying to interject their own beliefs into
> their writing. This does not a conspiracy make.
Every pattern of malevolent events is random, right ?
No unifying strategy seeking to exploit weak minds.What a nice trustworthy world we live in.
> now, as to BSG, i have watched every episode to date and I DO have a very
> capable mind and am able to dicern inuendo when it is shown. and so far
> there has been NO homosexual inuendo in this series AT ALL.
> You are seeing what you want to see, not what is there. NOW, if apollo
> decided to come out of the closet and start kissing helo on camera, or
Apollo and Zarek will be exploring their relationship further in the next BSG season,
assuming the series is not canceled before then.
> if something like that were even implied then I would agree that there
> was homosexual influence to this series.
> So far I have to say that everything has been distinctly Heterosexual.
> Please do not flood your normal tripe in response to this,if you wish to
> reply that is fine but please do NOT add your usual excrement. (no that
> wasnt intended as a homosexual reference, just calling a spade a spade)
More personal attacks.
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