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| Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG [message #143412] |
Di, 04 Oktober 2005 17:28 |
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http://www.scifi.com/events/event.php3?event_id=11304
OUTer Gay/Lesbian SF Film Fest
Conventions 11/5/2005 - 11/6/2005
The OUTer Gay and Lesbian SciFi/Fantasy Film Festival celebrates its second year as a showcase for films
by, for, and about gay, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgender in the genre of science fiction, fantasy, and horror.
Official site: www.outerfilmfest.com.
Location: 2300 Village Way Drive, Austin, Texas
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| Re: Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG [message #143415 ] |
Di, 04 Oktober 2005 23:55 |
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In article <Rcx0f.2671$lq6.835 [at] fed1read01>,
"John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
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> http://www.scifi.com/events/event.php3?event_id=11304
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> OUTer Gay/Lesbian SF Film Fest
> Conventions 11/5/2005 - 11/6/2005
>
> The OUTer Gay and Lesbian SciFi/Fantasy Film Festival celebrates its second
> year as a showcase for films
> by, for, and about gay, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgender in the genre of
> science fiction, fantasy, and horror.
> Official site: www.outerfilmfest.com.
>
> Location: 2300 Village Way Drive, Austin, Texas
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> Politics
I was in Austin over the weekend on business. Interesting city. There
was rampant heterosexuality on 6th street all night, it seems. I
thought it was prostitution, but it was just the norm, I hear. Skanky
looking people wanting to screw anything in sight.
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| Re: Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG [message #143435 ] |
Mi, 05 Oktober 2005 02:06 |
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"Jenn" <jennconducts [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:jennconducts-4A23DA.14563604102005 [at] newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
> In article <Rcx0f.2671$lq6.835 [at] fed1read01>,
> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> http://www.scifi.com/events/event.php3?event_id=11304
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>> OUTer Gay/Lesbian SF Film Fest
>> Conventions 11/5/2005 - 11/6/2005
>>
>> The OUTer Gay and Lesbian SciFi/Fantasy Film Festival celebrates its second
>> year as a showcase for films
>> by, for, and about gay, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgender in the genre of
>> science fiction, fantasy, and horror.
>> Official site: www.outerfilmfest.com.
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>> Location: 2300 Village Way Drive, Austin, Texas
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>> Politics
> I was in Austin over the weekend on business. Interesting city. There
> was rampant heterosexuality on 6th street all night, it seems. I
> thought it was prostitution, but it was just the norm, I hear. Skanky
> looking people wanting to screw anything in sight.
Sounds like the Organized Crime ties that are evident in the BSG script.
There are male and female prostitutes working for Organized Crime on such streets,
heterosexual and homosexual.
As I have mentioned, BSG is thoroughly infused with Hollywood Homosexual and Organized Crime influences.
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In this scene [in Flight of the Phoenix] the pilots are portrayed playing cards for money, yet again in this BSG series.
Gambling is a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized Crime.
In that same scene, the pejorative reference to Prostitution by Racetrack is condemned by the BSG writers
and the Hollywood Homosexuals who maintain a stranglehold on the script and direction of the BSG series.
"(Racetrack) Good idea. Maybe that Cylon whore taught him a few tricks."
Prostitution is a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized Crime.
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| Re: Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG [message #143438 ] |
Mi, 05 Oktober 2005 02:42 |
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<pluto [at] quentincrisp.com> wrote in message news:1128463455.415629.220120 [at] g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> John Shocked writes:
>> Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG
> Here's another Homosexual News bulletin (stolen from "Will and Grace"):
> You're gayer than Elton John's fannypack.
Everyone who disagrees with the homosexual agenda is then alleged to be secretly homosexual themselves.
No wonder people are beginning to question the veracity of everything these people say.
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"The Secretary of HomIntern" <ý|<®åñ5ë9ô9 [at] \/\/òé|\/|.6®ó> wrote in message news:WwM%e.37264$oW2.1482 [at] pd7tw1no...
>I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
> Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to The Easily Shocked Cherry:
>> "Kweeg" wrote...
>> This guy supports Sodomy on TV in BSG. It is that simple.
>> That is the only reason he is here on this public forum at all.
>> Everyone who wants to see Sodomy on TV in BSG should work with him to
>> support that cause.
> I support "Sodomy" (in the erroneous sexual definition so often misused by
> bigots -- not the other defs, of course) on TV, in BSG and anywhere else --
> I don't, however, expect to see it on BSG or most other American-produced
> shows, aside from such as The L Word and other HBO productions, as well as
> various indie movies and so on. You, Easily, may kindly return in your time
> machine to the era of the Hays Office (when the homophobia ran rampant) and
> fuck yourself.
The V-chip code should have a specific code to identify Sodomy or any kind of homosexual kissing etc.
Parents should be able to specifically block homosexuality representations and symbolisms from their household.
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"Natalie Clifford Barney" <SalonHostess [at] 20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message news:42AD9474.2444709F [at] 20RueJacob.fr...
> I think that the only way to resolve this issue is to convene a House Committee
> on Un-Heterosexual Affairs, bring witnesses, demand names of pinkies and
> fellow travelers to clean out the rainbow stain on our government.
> Known gay sympathizers could be blacklisted, those outside of the
> country could have their passports pulled and denied return. The Hayes code
> could be resurrected and strengthened.
> Then a Senate committee could be convened for the same purpose..they could
> investigate the armed services too, for presence of the rainbows and it could
> be televised.
> Perhaps they could get a senator from Wisconsin again to chair it.....
> > ===============================================
The MPAA (Motion Pictures Association of America ) adopted the
Hays/Production Code in 1930 and started to enforce it in 1934.
They finally abandoned it for good in 1967.
Will H. Hays headed the MPAA during this period and was previously the
campaign manager for President Warren Harding and former
Chairman of the Republican National Committee.
As the name of the organization implies, the Hays Code was adopted by the
American movie studios and thus the US government or local governments
were not involved and the Code did not apply to foreign movies.
The other problem was that since the government was not involved in it was voluntary although records indicate that it was adhered
to fairly
up until the 1960's.
Thus, when in the 1950's the studios were forced to sell and relinquish control
of theatres, any foreign or independent product could violate the code and
sell to the prurient interest.
The F.C.C. needs to be involved only in banning certain specific content.
It then would be up to the studios to pick from the remaining millions of
subject matters to decide what they want to put into their movies.
http://www.artsreformation.com/a001/hays-code.html
[Joe McCarthy did not come onto the scene with the House Un-American
Activities Committee until the 1950's and I doubt that committee involved
itself with anything other than pursuing Communists.]
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| Re: Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG [message #143512 ] |
Mi, 05 Oktober 2005 17:45 |
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On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, John Shocked wrote:
> http://www.scifi.com/events/event.php3?event_id=11304
No mention of BSG--stop lying, John.
> Official site: www.outerfilmfest.com.
No mention of BSG--stop lying, John.
--
Jim Phillips, jay pee aitch eye el el eye pee at bee see pee ell dot net
"I would bring up Ann Coulter's comment about blowing up the New York
Times...there's a lot of hateful, violent rhetoric that spews from the
Right. The Left is snide and sarcastic, the Right is dangerous and
violent." -- Dan Savage
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| Re: Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG [message #143515 ] |
Mi, 05 Oktober 2005 18:16 |
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"Jim Phillips" <jphillip [at] bcpl.net> wrote in message news:Pine.SOL.3.96.1051005114159.11480a-100000 [at] mail...
> On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, John Shocked wrote:
>> http://www.scifi.com/events/event.php3?event_id=11304
> No mention of BSG--stop lying, John.
This is where the ideas for BSG are originating.
>> Official site: www.outerfilmfest.com.
> No mention of BSG--stop lying, John.
These guys generate the deft subtle ideas which are used by BSG producers
to present Sodomy symbolism to you and your kids seeking your Son to try out Sodomy
and support the homosexual agenda in coming votes.
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| Re: Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG [message #145076 ] |
Do, 06 Oktober 2005 14:07 |
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On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, John Shocked wrote:
> "Jim Phillips" <jphillip [at] bcpl.net> wrote in message news:Pine.SOL.3.96.1051005114159.11480a-100000 [at] mail...
> > On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, John Shocked wrote:
> >> http://www.scifi.com/events/event.php3?event_id=11304
> > No mention of BSG--stop lying, John.
>
> This is where the ideas for BSG are originating.
No evidence whatsoever--once again, stop lying, John. All you had
to do was leave off "about BSG" in the Subject and you would not have lied.
> >> Official site: www.outerfilmfest.com.
> > No mention of BSG--stop lying, John.
>
> These guys generate the deft subtle ideas which are used by BSG producers
> to present Sodomy symbolism to you and your kids seeking your Son to try out Sodomy
> and support the homosexual agenda in coming votes.
Nonsense (but that's no surprise).
--
Jim Phillips, jay pee aitch eye el el eye pee at bee see pee ell dot net
"I would bring up Ann Coulter's comment about blowing up the New York
Times...there's a lot of hateful, violent rhetoric that spews from the
Right. The Left is snide and sarcastic, the Right is dangerous and
violent." -- Dan Savage
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| Re: Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG [message #145077 ] |
Do, 06 Oktober 2005 14:18 |
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"Jim Phillips" <jphillip [at] bcpl.net> wrote in message news:Pine.SOL.3.96.1051006080527.737U-100000 [at] mail...
> On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, John Shocked wrote:
>> "Jim Phillips" <jphillip [at] bcpl.net> wrote in message news:Pine.SOL.3.96.1051005114159.11480a-100000 [at] mail...
>> > On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, John Shocked wrote:
>> >> http://www.scifi.com/events/event.php3?event_id=11304
>> > No mention of BSG--stop lying, John.
>> This is where the ideas for BSG are originating.
> No evidence whatsoever--once again, stop lying, John. All you had
> to do was leave off "about BSG" in the Subject and you would not have lied.
It is the truth. The Scifi Channel and the programmers who supply them with programming series
are constantly wrestling with one issue and struggle which is more important than any other science fiction issue:
how can they crowbar Sodomy into the BSG and other series while retaining viewership.
They clearly spend more time on that than any other endeavor.
>> >> Official site: www.outerfilmfest.com.
>> > No mention of BSG--stop lying, John.
>> These guys generate the deft subtle ideas which are used by BSG producers
>> to present Sodomy symbolism to you and your kids seeking your Son to try out Sodomy
>> and support the homosexual agenda in coming votes.
> Nonsense (but that's no surprise).
It is the truth.
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The Battlestar Galactica 2x03 episode Resistance ended with Apollo and Zerak
teaming up to lead the fight for democracy and against the Cylons.
As was symbolized in several episodes in the first season, it is the
obvious intent of the BSG Hollywood Homosexuals to sell Sodomy
to you and your kids.
So time is running out, the train is leaving the station.
BSG Hollywood Homosexuals need your script to put Apollo and Zerak in bed together
and they are counting on you to provide the tasteful methodology for this copulation to occur.
Help BSG Hollywood Homosexuals sell Sodomy to you and your kids.;
read the following, fast.
Politics
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As everyone here knows, this Scifi Channel Gaylactic Awards event is dear to my heart,
and I want everyone here to know that you too can be a winner of this contest
published on the Scifi Channel web site.
All you have to do to win is write a script for Battlestar Galactica that will present a tasteful method
by which the respectful passions portrayed between Apollo and Tom Zerak can blossom into love,
True Love, while of course retaining BSG TV viewership and ratings.
Remember, Scifi Channel does not want people running away from their TVs;
who would be left to persuade.
Such a story may be subtle, perhaps a little subliminal, but it must end
with Apollo and Tom Zerak in bed, participating in the fruits of
their true love.
Such a story would no doubt convert Scifi Channel viewers and their kids
to Sodomy or at greater support for the Homosexual Agenda, and pave the way for
new efforts to legalize Bestiality and Bestial Marriage.
After all, if a man cannot marry his dog, his best friend, what kind of a world is this
we are living in.
So take the first step, help Scifi Channel change America.and its mores.
Write the script that will forever lead to more sexual choices for America.
Remember, ultimately, the right to marry your own dog, or cat or horse is at stake.
So put your pen to paper, now.
Scifi Channel needs you help.
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===========news bulletin from the Scifi Channel web site==============
http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue413/news.html
Gaylactic Nominations Sought
Nominations for the 2005 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards will remain open through March 31,
organizers announced. Nominations can be made online or by mail:
Gaylactic Spectrum Awards, P.O. Box 73602, Washington, D.C. 20056-3602.
The 2005 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards will honor works in the science fiction, fantasy and
horror genres originally released in English in North America in 2004 for significant
positive gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender content and quality genre content and writing.
Nominations are sought for best novel, best short fiction and best other work.
The 2005 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards will be presented during the July 4 weekend at Gaylaxicon in Boston.
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| Re: Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG [message #145087 ] |
Do, 06 Oktober 2005 15:49 |
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On Thu, 6 Oct 2005, John Shocked wrote:
> "Jim Phillips" <jphillip [at] bcpl.net> wrote in message news:Pine.SOL.3.96.1051006080527.737U-100000 [at] mail...
> > On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, John Shocked wrote:
> >> "Jim Phillips" <jphillip [at] bcpl.net> wrote in message news:Pine.SOL.3.96.1051005114159.11480a-100000 [at] mail...
> >> > On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, John Shocked wrote:
> >> >> http://www.scifi.com/events/event.php3?event_id=11304
> >> > No mention of BSG--stop lying, John.
> >> This is where the ideas for BSG are originating.
> > No evidence whatsoever--once again, stop lying, John. All you had
> > to do was leave off "about BSG" in the Subject and you would not have lied.
>
> It is the truth.
Despite what you may have heard, repeating a lie often enough does
not magically transmute it into the truth.
Big snip--same homophobia, different day.
--
Jim Phillips, jay pee aitch eye el el eye pee at bee see pee ell dot net
"I would bring up Ann Coulter's comment about blowing up the New York
Times...there's a lot of hateful, violent rhetoric that spews from the
Right. The Left is snide and sarcastic, the Right is dangerous and
violent." -- Dan Savage
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| Re: Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG [message #145116 ] |
Do, 06 Oktober 2005 17:15 |
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"Jim Phillips" <jphillip [at] bcpl.net> wrote in message news:Pine.SOL.3.96.1051006094628.29688B-100000 [at] mail...
> On Thu, 6 Oct 2005, John Shocked wrote:
>> "Jim Phillips" <jphillip [at] bcpl.net> wrote in message news:Pine.SOL.3.96.1051006080527.737U-100000 [at] mail...
>> > On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, John Shocked wrote:
>> >> "Jim Phillips" <jphillip [at] bcpl.net> wrote in message news:Pine.SOL.3.96.1051005114159.11480a-100000 [at] mail...
>> >> > On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, John Shocked wrote:
>> >> >> http://www.scifi.com/events/event.php3?event_id=11304
>> >> > No mention of BSG--stop lying, John.
>> >> This is where the ideas for BSG are originating.
>> > No evidence whatsoever--once again, stop lying, John. All you had
>> > to do was leave off "about BSG" in the Subject and you would not have lied.
>> It is the truth.
> Despite what you may have heard, repeating a lie often enough does
> not magically transmute it into the truth.
> Big snip--same homophobia, different day.
Actually the spelling modification must be worked in. Here goes:
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The Battlestar Galactica 2x03 episode Resistance ended with Apollo and Zerak
teaming up to lead the fight for democracy and against the Cylons.
As was symbolized in several episodes in the first season, it is the
obvious intent of the BSG Hollywood Homosexuals to sell Sodomy
to you and your kids.
So time is running out, the train is leaving the station.
BSG Hollywood Homosexuals need your script to put Apollo and Zerak in bed together
and they are counting on you to provide the tasteful methodology for this copulation to occur.
Help BSG Hollywood Homosexuals sell Sodomy to you and your kids.;
read the following, fast.
Politics
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As everyone here knows, this Scifi Channel Gaylactic Awards event is dear to my heart,
and I want everyone here to know that you too can be a winner of this contest
published on the Scifi Channel web site.
All you have to do to win is write a script for Battlestar Galactica that will present a tasteful method
by which the respectful passions portrayed between Apollo and Tom Zarek can blossom into love,
True Love, while of course retaining BSG TV viewership and ratings.
Remember, Scifi Channel does not want people running away from their TVs;
who would be left to persuade.
Such a story may be subtle, perhaps a little subliminal, but it must end
with Apollo and Tom Zerak in bed, participating in the fruits of
their true love.
Such a story would no doubt convert Scifi Channel viewers and their kids
to Sodomy or at greater support for the Homosexual Agenda, and pave the way for
new efforts to legalize Bestiality and Bestial Marriage.
After all, if a man cannot marry his dog, his best friend, what kind of a world is this
we are living in.
So take the first step, help Scifi Channel change America.and its mores.
Write the script that will forever lead to more sexual choices for America.
Remember, ultimately, the right to marry your own dog, or cat or horse is at stake.
So put your pen to paper, now.
Scifi Channel needs you help.
Politics
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===========news bulletin from the Scifi Channel web site==============
http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue413/news.html
Gaylactic Nominations Sought
Nominations for the 2005 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards will remain open through March 31,
organizers announced. Nominations can be made online or by mail:
Gaylactic Spectrum Awards, P.O. Box 73602, Washington, D.C. 20056-3602.
The 2005 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards will honor works in the science fiction, fantasy and
horror genres originally released in English in North America in 2004 for significant
positive gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender content and quality genre content and writing.
Nominations are sought for best novel, best short fiction and best other work.
The 2005 Gaylactic Spectrum Awards will be presented during the July 4 weekend at Gaylaxicon in Boston.
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| Re: Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG [message #145165 ] |
Do, 06 Oktober 2005 20:01 |
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John Shocked wrote:
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> As everyone here knows, this Scifi Channel Gaylactic Awards event is dear to my heart,
Just for the record, the Gaylacic Awards is not a Scifi Channel event.
The awards are given out every year at Gaylaxicon, the gay & lesbian
science fiction convention, which is organized and run by gay & lesbian
science fiction fans, not by the Scifi Channel. The note on the Scifi
Channel web site was merely reporting the results.
Not that JS is ever concerned about facts.
None of the awards went to any Scifi Channel program, and in particular
did not go to BSG. This is because shows on the Scifi Channel have
virtually no gay content whatsoever.
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| Re: Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG [message #147637 ] |
Mi, 12 Oktober 2005 20:21 |
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"John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tjF0f.2718$lq6.1210 [at] fed1read01...
> <pluto [at] quentincrisp.com> wrote in message
> news:1128463455.415629.220120 [at] g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> John Shocked writes:
>>> Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG
>> Here's another Homosexual News bulletin (stolen from "Will and Grace"):
>> You're gayer than Elton John's fannypack.
>
> Everyone who disagrees with the homosexual agenda is then alleged to be
> secretly homosexual themselves.
> No wonder people are beginning to question the veracity of everything
> these people say.
It is not that you disagree with it. It is that you see it when no one else
does. One could also think that you yourself are one of the
'Hollywood-Homosexual's' that you accuse others of being, due to the fact
that you are the only one who seems to notice homosexual sex on BSG. You say
that the 'Hollywood-Homosexual's' are on this very newsgroup trying to
persuade all of us to join there cause. You also say that they are involved
in the BSG script's, once again trying to persuade us all to join there
cause, yet no one but you can see the rampant homosexual behavior that seems
to happen on BSG but you...What if you are the paid hack here trying to get
to us. I think I just figured it out. You are one of the hacks you so fondly
talk about. You have done a pitiful job sir, a pitiful job indeed.
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| Re: Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG [message #147639 ] |
Mi, 12 Oktober 2005 20:33 |
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John Shocked wrote:
> <pluto [at] quentincrisp.com> wrote in message news:1128463455.415629.220120 [at] g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > John Shocked writes:
> >> Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG
> > Here's another Homosexual News bulletin (stolen from "Will and Grace"):
> > You're gayer than Elton John's fannypack.
>
> Everyone who disagrees with the homosexual agenda is then alleged to be secretly homosexual themselves.
> No wonder people are beginning to question the veracity of everything these people say.
<sarcasm>Yes, especially when contrasted with reasonable, rationale,
firmly-rooted-in-reality discourse like yours.</sarcasm>
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| Re: Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG [message #147674 ] |
Do, 13 Oktober 2005 04:57 |
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<pluto [at] quentincrisp.com> wrote in message news:1128484565.746988.273420 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>> Everyone who disagrees with the homosexual agenda is then alleged to be secretly homosexual themselves.
> There's a fine line between "disagrees with the homosexual agenda" and
> "dedicates every second of every day to discussing homosexuality."
> You're, uh, nowhere near it.
I am not spending anywhere near that amount of time on this Newsgroup.
The issues I raise are not fringe issues; these are critical issues that everyone cares about and for which
people are receiving erroneous information from the Hollywood Homosexual public relations machine.
Why not admit that you are trying to sell Sodomy to the kids who watch science fiction TV ?
What is wrong with the truth ?
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http://www.scifi.com/events/event.php3?event_id=11304
OUTer Gay/Lesbian SF Film Fest
Conventions 11/5/2005 - 11/6/2005
The OUTer Gay and Lesbian SciFi/Fantasy Film Festival celebrates its second year as a showcase for films
by, for, and about gay, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgender in the genre of science fiction, fantasy, and horror.
Official site: www.outerfilmfest.com.
Location: 2300 Village Way Drive, Austin, Texas
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| Re: Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG [message #147676 ] |
Do, 13 Oktober 2005 05:32 |
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"80 Knight" <80_knightREMOVEME [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:AaOdnXtxU4CqydDeRVn-gw [at] rogers.com...
> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:tjF0f.2718$lq6.1210 [at] fed1read01...
>> <pluto [at] quentincrisp.com> wrote in message news:1128463455.415629.220120 [at] g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> John Shocked writes:
>>>> Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG
>>> Here's another Homosexual News bulletin (stolen from "Will and Grace"):
>>> You're gayer than Elton John's fannypack.
>> Everyone who disagrees with the homosexual agenda is then alleged to be secretly homosexual themselves.
>> No wonder people are beginning to question the veracity of everything these people say.
> It is not that you disagree with it. It is that you see it when no one else does. One could also think that
> you yourself are one of the 'Hollywood-Homosexual's' that you accuse others of being, due to the fact that you
> are the only one who seems to notice homosexual sex on BSG. You say that the 'Hollywood-Homosexual's' are on
> this very newsgroup trying to persuade all of us to join their cause. You also say that they are involved in
> the BSG script's, once again trying to persuade us all to join there cause, yet no one but you can see the
> rampant homosexual behavior that seems to happen on BSG but you...What if you are the paid hack here trying to
> get to us. I think I just figured it out. You are one of the hacks you so fondly talk about. You have done a
> pitiful job sir, a pitiful job indeed.
Wrong. Saturday Night Live saw the same thing. So did TV Guide.
There is no question that there is widespread Sodomy symbolism in BSG inserted
to sell homosexuality to you and your kids.
Everyone here sees the Sodomy symbolism I have pointed out. They may not be perceptive enough
to have spotted the Sodomy themselves, but when it is pointed out to them they respond.
Remember, apart from the Hollywood Homosexual public relations workers here, these are weak people
one runs into on the Usenet. These sort of people show their agreement by criticizing the guy bringing the truth.
If what I was stating was not recognized to be true, none of these people would ever have responded to my messages
and there would have been no need for a campaign by the Hollywood Homosexual public relations workers here
to threaten those people to stop them from responding.
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| Re: Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG [message #147677 ] |
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<bklyntv [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1129142006.228887.194520 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> John Shocked wrote:
>> <pluto [at] quentincrisp.com> wrote in message news:1128463455.415629.220120 [at] g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> > John Shocked writes:
>> >> Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG
>> > Here's another Homosexual News bulletin (stolen from "Will and Grace"):
>> > You're gayer than Elton John's fannypack.
>> Everyone who disagrees with the homosexual agenda is then alleged to be secretly homosexual themselves.
>> No wonder people are beginning to question the veracity of everything these people say.
> <sarcasm>Yes, especially when contrasted with reasonable, rationale,
> firmly-rooted-in-reality discourse like yours.</sarcasm>
You are free to attempt to disprove my arguments here.
If you win, you are the world champion. With all that glory and acclaim. Go for it.
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| Re: Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG [message #147679 ] |
Do, 13 Oktober 2005 05:49 |
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:57:36 -0700, "John Shocked"
<jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
><pluto [at] quentincrisp.com> wrote in message news:1128484565.746988.273420 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>>> Everyone who disagrees with the homosexual agenda is then alleged to be secretly homosexual themselves.
>> There's a fine line between "disagrees with the homosexual agenda" and
>> "dedicates every second of every day to discussing homosexuality."
>> You're, uh, nowhere near it.
>
>I am not spending anywhere near that amount of time on this Newsgroup.
>The issues I raise are not fringe issues; these are critical issues that everyone cares about
Bullshit.
> and for which
>people are receiving erroneous information from the Hollywood Homosexual public relations machine.
>
>Why not admit that you are trying to sell Sodomy to the kids who watch science fiction TV ?
>What is wrong with the truth ?
Ok, sherlock, what *IS* the point to 'selling sodomy?'
-LMB
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| Re: Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG [message #147680 ] |
Do, 13 Oktober 2005 05:51 |
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:32:05 -0700, "John Shocked"
<jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>"80 Knight" <80_knightREMOVEME [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:AaOdnXtxU4CqydDeRVn-gw [at] rogers.com...
>> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:tjF0f.2718$lq6.1210 [at] fed1read01...
>>> <pluto [at] quentincrisp.com> wrote in message news:1128463455.415629.220120 [at] g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>> John Shocked writes:
>>>>> Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG
>>>> Here's another Homosexual News bulletin (stolen from "Will and Grace"):
>>>> You're gayer than Elton John's fannypack.
>>> Everyone who disagrees with the homosexual agenda is then alleged to be secretly homosexual themselves.
>>> No wonder people are beginning to question the veracity of everything these people say.
>> It is not that you disagree with it. It is that you see it when no one else does. One could also think that
>> you yourself are one of the 'Hollywood-Homosexual's' that you accuse others of being, due to the fact that you
>> are the only one who seems to notice homosexual sex on BSG. You say that the 'Hollywood-Homosexual's' are on
>> this very newsgroup trying to persuade all of us to join their cause. You also say that they are involved in
>> the BSG script's, once again trying to persuade us all to join there cause, yet no one but you can see the
>> rampant homosexual behavior that seems to happen on BSG but you...What if you are the paid hack here trying to
>> get to us. I think I just figured it out. You are one of the hacks you so fondly talk about. You have done a
>> pitiful job sir, a pitiful job indeed.
>
>Wrong. Saturday Night Live saw the same thing. So did TV Guide.
You never provided proof of either.
>There is no question that there is widespread Sodomy symbolism in BSG inserted
>to sell homosexuality to you and your kids.
>Everyone here sees the Sodomy symbolism I have pointed out. They may not be perceptive enough
>to have spotted the Sodomy themselves, but when it is pointed out to them they respond.
>Remember, apart from the Hollywood Homosexual public relations workers here, these are weak people
>one runs into on the Usenet. These sort of people show their agreement by criticizing the guy bringing the truth.
>If what I was stating was not recognized to be true, none of these people would ever have responded to my messages
>and there would have been no need for a campaign by the Hollywood Homosexual public relations workers here
>to threaten those people to stop them from responding.
>
>Politics
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>
And then there's the closet homosexual who lashes out at a show,
because he sees things that are running about in his own mind.
-LMB
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| Re: Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG [message #147681 ] |
Do, 13 Oktober 2005 06:30 |
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"Louis M. Brown" <phyphor [at] rocketmail.com> wrote in message news:ohmrk19ohd2l9o0g4qjl1a1e0nocrpsf8q [at] 4ax.com...
> On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:57:36 -0700, "John Shocked"
> <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>><pluto [at] quentincrisp.com> wrote in message news:1128484565.746988.273420 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Everyone who disagrees with the homosexual agenda is then alleged to be secretly homosexual themselves.
>>> There's a fine line between "disagrees with the homosexual agenda" and
>>> "dedicates every second of every day to discussing homosexuality."
>>> You're, uh, nowhere near it.
>>I am not spending anywhere near that amount of time on this Newsgroup.
>>The issues I raise are not fringe issues; these are critical issues that everyone cares about
> Bullshit.
Homosexual Agenda. AIDS. The Middle East. These are among the top issues people care about today.
And the country is being deceived about all of these issues by the Hollywood Homosexual Neo-Conservative
crooks in the News Media.
>> and for which
>>people are receiving erroneous information from the Hollywood Homosexual public relations machine.
>>Why not admit that you are trying to sell Sodomy to the kids who watch science fiction TV ?
>>What is wrong with the truth ?
> Ok, sherlock, what *IS* the point to 'selling sodomy?'
> -LMB
The main goals are threefold:
1) to have more people support the homosexual agenda such as Homosexual Marriage and Gays In The Military,
2) to wrap this disgusting and suicidal homosexual agenda around the necks of the Left and the Democratic Party
the Left depends upon, to guarantee that they will lose election after election and ensure wealthy fatcats like themselves,
whether they be homosexual or heterosexual, maintain control of the country in Congress and the White House,
but the most important ultimate goal, I believe, to these people is:
3) to generate more homosexuals from the general population for them to use as partners for homosex and
more venues wherein homosex acts may be arranged and performed..
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| Re: Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG [message #147682 ] |
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"80 Knight" <80_knightREMOVEME [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:i5qdnbnqGtmgStDenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d [at] rogers.com...
> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Szk3f.73222$lq6.17885 [at] fed1read01...
>> "80 Knight" <80_knightREMOVEME [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:AaOdnXtxU4CqydDeRVn-gw [at] rogers.com...
>>> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:tjF0f.2718$lq6.1210 [at] fed1read01...
>>>> <pluto [at] quentincrisp.com> wrote in message news:1128463455.415629.220120 [at] g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> John Shocked writes:
>>>>>> Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG
>>>>> Here's another Homosexual News bulletin (stolen from "Will and Grace"):
>>>>> You're gayer than Elton John's fannypack.
>>>> Everyone who disagrees with the homosexual agenda is then alleged to be secretly homosexual themselves.
>>>> No wonder people are beginning to question the veracity of everything these people say.
>>> It is not that you disagree with it. It is that you see it when no one else does. One could also think that
>>> you yourself are one of the 'Hollywood-Homosexual's' that you accuse others of being, due to the fact that you
>>> are the only one who seems to notice homosexual sex on BSG. You say that the 'Hollywood-Homosexual's' are on
>>> this very newsgroup trying to persuade all of us to join their cause. You also say that they are involved in
>>> the BSG script's, once again trying to persuade us all to join there cause, yet no one but you can see the
>>> rampant homosexual behavior that seems to happen on BSG but you...What if you are the paid hack here trying to
>>> get to us. I think I just figured it out. You are one of the hacks you so fondly talk about. You have done a
>>> pitiful job sir, a pitiful job indeed.
>> Wrong. Saturday Night Live saw the same thing. So did TV Guide.
> Wow. Saturday Night Live and TVGuide. So, does that then mean that everything on SNL is true?
> If so, I really want one of those women with 4 breasts.
I have seen a show or skit somewhere with women with 4 breasts but do not remember where it was.
I do not believe that was in any of the 3 Gays In Space skits that SNL put on,
after the Bastille Day episode aired.
>> There is no question that there is widespread Sodomy symbolism in BSG inserted
>> to sell homosexuality to you and your kids.
> Do you have any kids, John?
I do not answer personal questions.
>> Everyone here sees the Sodomy symbolism I have pointed out.
> Show me someone here who see's the sodomy you see.
Everyone here. Of course, they will not admit it because the campaign of the Hollywood Homosexual
public relations hacks here works on the weak people one normally finds on the Usenet.
>> They may not be perceptive enough to have spotted the Sodomy themselves, but when it is pointed out to them they respond.
> See above.
Everyone here. Of course, they will not admit it because the campaign of the Hollywood Homosexual
public relations hacks here works on the weak people one normally finds on the Usenet.
>> Remember, apart from the Hollywood Homosexual public relations workers here, these are weak people
>> one runs into on the Usenet. These sort of people show their agreement by criticizing the guy bringing the truth.
> Let me get this straight. If someone says you are lying, they are actually trying to tell you they believe what you say? I see.
> Great logic there.
Exactly. That is the sort of person you run into on the Usenet, apart from the hacks who obviously work
for Hollywood Homosexuals and at this point, failing at disproving my case, have retreated to a policy of censorship.
Some of these people might consider themselves to be engaging in 'devil's advocacy'.
Most of these people are frightened by the campaign of Hollywood Homosexuals against me.
>> If what I was stating was not recognized to be true, none of these people would ever have responded to my messages and there
>> would have been no need for a campaign by the Hollywood Homosexual public relations workers here to threaten those people to stop
>> them from responding.
> *Yawn* You really need new tactics, John.
Telling the truth is the only "tactic" I have.
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"Louis M. Brown" <phyphor [at] rocketmail.com> wrote in message news:7jmrk1hs70g7k2d6r5b74gvi5bg9oqsjvd [at] 4ax.com...
> On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:32:05 -0700, "John Shocked"
> <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>"80 Knight" <80_knightREMOVEME [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:AaOdnXtxU4CqydDeRVn-gw [at] rogers.com...
>>> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:tjF0f.2718$lq6.1210 [at] fed1read01...
>>>> <pluto [at] quentincrisp.com> wrote in message news:1128463455.415629.220120 [at] g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> John Shocked writes:
>>>>>> Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG
>>>>> Here's another Homosexual News bulletin (stolen from "Will and Grace"):
>>>>> You're gayer than Elton John's fannypack.
>>>> Everyone who disagrees with the homosexual agenda is then alleged to be secretly homosexual themselves.
>>>> No wonder people are beginning to question the veracity of everything these people say.
>>> It is not that you disagree with it. It is that you see it when no one else does. One could also think that
>>> you yourself are one of the 'Hollywood-Homosexual's' that you accuse others of being, due to the fact that you
>>> are the only one who seems to notice homosexual sex on BSG. You say that the 'Hollywood-Homosexual's' are on
>>> this very newsgroup trying to persuade all of us to join their cause. You also say that they are involved in
>>> the BSG script's, once again trying to persuade us all to join there cause, yet no one but you can see the
>>> rampant homosexual behavior that seems to happen on BSG but you...What if you are the paid hack here trying to
>>> get to us. I think I just figured it out. You are one of the hacks you so fondly talk about. You have done a
>>> pitiful job sir, a pitiful job indeed.
>>Wrong. Saturday Night Live saw the same thing. So did TV Guide.
> You never provided proof of either.
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BSG is not science fiction. As Saturday Night Live put it, it is "Gays In Space.
They performed 3 skits on this subject, starting 3 weeks after the first US airing of
BSG Bastille Day episode.
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>Absolutely *no* reference to Battlestar Galactica, these sketches
>clearly refer to the anal probes that some people claim that UFOs performed
>on them. So as we can see, John is once again lying when he says these SNL
>sketches refer to BSG. *Why* do you keep lying about Battlestar Galactica,
>John? Is it that you can't help it?
The reference to the "Galacticon" in the first in this series of 3 Gays In Space skits,
which is the name of a Battlestar Galactica fan convention, is obvious.
That first one aired on February 12 2005, just 3 weeks after the Jan 21 2005
airing of the Bastille Day episode which made clear that homosexual content
wasw being pushed subtlely and subliminally in the BSG series.
That first one also made references to the need to "have babies" which is almost
an exact quote of the BSG President [Roslin] who wished to expand the population
after most of the BSG colonies population was wiped out by Cylon attack.
This skillful SNL writing parodied the BSG homosexuality more acutely, because
of course selling Sodomy in the BSG storyline and then claiming they need to have
children creates an obvious dilemma. of logistics.
All three of the SNL skits were excellent works by their writers.
BSG Miniseries: "The human race is about to be wiped out. We have 50,000 people left,
and that's it. Now, if we are even going to survive as a species, then we need
to get the hell out of here and we need to start having babies. "
SNL Parody 1: "The only way our people can survive is by joining together to procreate."
It is obvious.
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>>There is no question that there is widespread Sodomy symbolism in BSG inserted
>>to sell homosexuality to you and your kids.
>>Everyone here sees the Sodomy symbolism I have pointed out. They may not be perceptive enough
>>to have spotted the Sodomy themselves, but when it is pointed out to them they respond.
>>Remember, apart from the Hollywood Homosexual public relations workers here, these are weak people
>>one runs into on the Usenet. These sort of people show their agreement by criticizing the guy bringing the truth.
>>If what I was stating was not recognized to be true, none of these people would ever have responded to my messages
>>and there would have been no need for a campaign by the Hollywood Homosexual public relations workers here
>>to threaten those people to stop them from responding.
>>Politics
> And then there's the closet homosexual who lashes out at a show,
> because he sees things that are running about in his own mind.
> -LMB
Everyone who disagrees with the Homosexual Agenda is alleged to be secretly homosexual themselves.
So what is new.
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"80 Knight" <80_knightREMOVEME [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:DoGdnactxcYectDeRVn-uQ [at] rogers.com...
> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:2Yl3f.73232$lq6.52239 [at] fed1read01...
>> "80 Knight" <80_knightREMOVEME [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:i5qdnbnqGtmgStDenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d [at] rogers.com...
>>> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Szk3f.73222$lq6.17885 [at] fed1read01...
>>>> "80 Knight" <80_knightREMOVEME [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:AaOdnXtxU4CqydDeRVn-gw [at] rogers.com...
>>>>> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:tjF0f.2718$lq6.1210 [at] fed1read01...
>>>>>> <pluto [at] quentincrisp.com> wrote in message news:1128463455.415629.220120 [at] g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Wrong. Saturday Night Live saw the same thing. So did TV Guide.
>>> Wow. Saturday Night Live and TVGuide. So, does that then mean that everything on SNL is true?
>>> If so, I really want one of those women with 4 breasts.
>> I have seen a show or skit somewhere with women with 4 breasts but do not remember where it was.
> I will give you a hint...It was a movie...
It must have been the original BSG.
>> I do not believe that was in any of the 3 Gays In Space skits that SNL put on, after the Bastille Day episode aired.
> The point is, not everything you see on SNL is based on what your little brain thinks it is.
I see no point here at all. Of course, if you made a point someone might be unhappy with the point and
might threaten you and/or your ISP connection. I understand why you are timid about making a point.
>>>> There is no question that there is widespread Sodomy symbolism in BSG inserted to sell homosexuality to you and your kids.
>>> Do you have any kids, John?
>> I do not answer personal questions.
> Do try. Are you married, John?
I do not answer personal questions.
>>>> Everyone here sees the Sodomy symbolism I have pointed out.
>>> Show me someone here who see's the sodomy you see.
>> Everyone here.
> I asked you to show me. Like, quote a couple of people, you know?
Again, everyone here. The courage to say this outright is lacking here because of the fear people
here have of being personally attacked like I am.
>> Of course, they will not admit it because the campaign of the Hollywood Homosexual public relations hacks here works on the weak
>> people one normally finds on the Usenet.
> Ohh, I see. So everyone here is weak? I see. Once again, your logic knows no limits.
Many of the non-hack people who inhabit these Newsgroups are weak and lonely people who are
absolutely terrified that their 'friends' here will not talk to them anymore if they cross some line,
in expressing their opinion.
>>>> They may not be perceptive enough to have spotted the Sodomy themselves, but when it is pointed out to them they respond.
>>> See above.
>> Everyone here. Of course, they will not admit it because the campaign of the Hollywood Homosexual
>> public relations hacks here works on the weak people one normally finds on the Usenet.
> You cut and paste well. Only one problem: You never cut and paste anything that is actually true or even remotely believable.
You have to free yourself fromthose fears. Those people who threaten you and claim they will
not be your friend anymore if you agree with my point of view never were your friend in the first place.
To those public relations hacks, you are just another piece of trash, to be used, abused and/or run over.
The purpose of the Usenet is to discuss ideas, the more important the better.
Those seeking a chat room should find a chat room elsewhere.
>>>> Remember, apart from the Hollywood Homosexual public relations workers here, these are weak people one runs into on the Usenet.
>>>> These sort of people show their agreement by criticizing the guy bringing the truth.
>>> Let me get this straight. If someone says you are lying, they are actually trying to tell you they believe what you say? I see.
>>> Great logic there.
>> Exactly. That is the sort of person you run into on the Usenet, apart from the hacks who obviously work for Hollywood
>> Homosexuals and at this point, failing at disproving my case, have retreated to a policy of censorship.
>> Some of these people might consider themselves to be engaging in 'devil's advocacy'.
> Disproving your case? Ok, how's this: I am looking at a cluster of stars right now. They are in the shape of a 1963 Chevy. Prove
> me wrong. Catch my drift?
Did Saturday Night Live or TV Guide agree with your point of view that they appeared
in the shape of a 1963 Chevy ?
>> Most of these people are frightened by the campaign of Hollywood Homosexuals against me.
> So the 'Hollywood Homosexual's' are all after you? Well, whatever shall we do?
Simple. Express your point of view freely and ignore their fake 'friendship'.
>>>> If what I was stating was not recognized to be true, none of these people would ever have responded to my messages and there
>>>> would have been no need for a campaign by the Hollywood Homosexual public relations workers here to threaten those people to
>>>> stop them from responding.
>>> *Yawn* You really need new tactics, John.
>> Telling the truth is the only "tactic" I have.
>> Politics
> Incorrect. The 'tactic' you have is taking a fact, and twisting and mangling it until it meet's your needs. This is not the
> 'truth'. There is a difference.
Your "you're"s really need some grammatical help.
It is your right to attempt to disprove the assertions I have made and make a challenge for
championship here.
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"ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message news:6eKdnbmHUufPa9DeRVn-sg [at] comcast.com...
> John Shocked wrote:
>> BSG Miniseries: "The human race is about to be wiped out. We have 50,000 people left,
>> and that's it. Now, if we are even going to survive as a species, then we need
>> to get the hell out of here and we need to start having babies. "
>> SNL Parody 1: "The only way our people can survive is by joining together to procreate."
> Gee, to me, it seems like that promotes a *heterosexual* lifestyle.
Bestialsexual. Have you not actually watched the BSG series since that statement occurred
in the 2003 Pilot ?
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The BSG writers are not leaving this item to imagination and interpretation:
[BSG Pegasus episode] "(Chief) I should probably be grateful to you. Probably be grateful. You know why?
Because that freak in her belly could have been mine."
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| Re: Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG [message #147692 ] |
Do, 13 Oktober 2005 12:49 |
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"80 Knight" <80_knightREMOVEME [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:TY6dnausiOItYdDeRVn-jw [at] rogers.com...
> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:cOm3f.73243$lq6.21277 [at] fed1read01...
>> "80 Knight" <80_knightREMOVEME [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:DoGdnactxcYectDeRVn-uQ [at] rogers.com...
>>> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:2Yl3f.73232$lq6.52239 [at] fed1read01...
>>>> "80 Knight" <80_knightREMOVEME [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:i5qdnbnqGtmgStDenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d [at] rogers.com...
>>>>> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Szk3f.73222$lq6.17885 [at] fed1read01...
>>>>>> "80 Knight" <80_knightREMOVEME [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:AaOdnXtxU4CqydDeRVn-gw [at] rogers.com...
>>>>>>> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:tjF0f.2718$lq6.1210 [at] fed1read01...
>>>>>>>> <pluto [at] quentincrisp.com> wrote in message news:1128463455.415629.220120 [at] g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> If so, I really want one of those women with 4 breasts.
>>>> I have seen a show or skit somewhere with women with 4 breasts but do not remember where it was.
>>> I will give you a hint...It was a movie...
>> It must have been the original BSG.
> Incorrect. Had nothing to do with BSG.
It will remain your secret then.
>>>> I do not believe that was in any of the 3 Gays In Space skits that SNL put on, after the Bastille Day episode aired.
>>> The point is, not everything you see on SNL is based on what your little brain thinks it is.
>> I see no point here at all. Of course, if you made a point someone might be unhappy with the point and
>> might threaten you and/or your ISP connection. I understand why you are timid about making a point.
> Incorrect yet again. People only threaten to go to your ISP when you are doing things you shouldn't be. Such as cross-posting
> you're crap.
False. Everything I have stated on these Newsgroups has been appropriate and germane for the Newsgroups selected.
>>>>>> There is no question that there is widespread Sodomy symbolism in BSG inserted to sell homosexuality to you and your kids.
>>>>> Do you have any kids, John?
>>>> I do not answer personal questions.
>>> Do try. Are you married, John?
>> I do not answer personal questions.
> Why not? What harm could it do? Here is a simple one. What is your favorite color?
Not beige. Why do you ask ?
>>>>> Show me someone here who see's the sodomy you see.
>>>> Everyone here.
>>> I asked you to show me. Like, quote a couple of people, you know?
>> Again, everyone here.
> You have yet to prove it. Please try again.
Everyone here. You simply have to read between public relations hack work, the fear and the
weak character here and you will see this.
>> The courage to say this outright is lacking here because of the fear people here have of being personally attacked like I am.
> People are not attacking you. People are trying to tell you that your 'assumptions' are incorrect. But, they are yours to have and
> that is all well and good, but do you really need to cross-post all of it over and over again to seven different newsgroups? I
> think it shows that you lack ambition, what with just copy and pasting.
If someone asks a repetitive question or veers off topic, it is quite likely they will receive an on topic
reasoned paste to bring them back to the discussion.
>>>> Of course, they will not admit it because the campaign of the Hollywood Homosexual public relations hacks here works on the
>>>> weak people one normally finds on the Usenet.
>>> Ohh, I see. So everyone here is weak? I see. Once again, your logic knows no limits.
>> Many of the non-hack people who inhabit these Newsgroups are weak and lonely people who are absolutely terrified that their
>> 'friends' here will not talk to them anymore if they cross some line, in expressing their opinion.
> Incorrect again. That is called 'elementary school'.
That is the pervasive behavior observed here.
>>>>>> They may not be perceptive enough to have spotted the Sodomy themselves, but when it is pointed out to them they respond.
>>>>> See above.
>>>> Everyone here. Of course, they will not admit it because the campaign of the Hollywood Homosexual
>>>> public relations hacks here works on the weak people one normally finds on the Usenet.
>>> You cut and paste well. Only one problem: You never cut and paste anything that is actually true or even remotely believable.
>> You have to free yourself from those fears. Those people who threaten you and claim they will
>> not be your friend anymore if you agree with my point of view never were your friend in the first place.
> I have yet to see anyone do what you are saying.
That is the pervasive behavior observed here.
>> To those public relations hacks, you are just another piece of trash, to be used, abused and/or run over.
>> The purpose of the Usenet is to discuss ideas, the more important the better.
> Discussion is great...But, we are all at a disadvantage...You know, what with not being able to see what you can and all.
No need to worry. I will edify everyone here on all the devious subliminal content in BSG which I notice.
>> Those seeking a chat room should find a chat room elsewhere.
> 'Those seeking to post the same false crap over and over again should find a life elsewhere'.
A repetititious question may elicit a previously posted answer.
>>>> Exactly. That is the sort of person you run into on the Usenet, apart from the hacks who obviously work for Hollywood
>>>> Homosexuals and at this point, failing at disproving my case, have retreated to a policy of censorship.
>>>> Some of these people might consider themselves to be engaging in 'devil's advocacy'.
>>> Disproving your case? Ok, how's this: I am looking at a cluster of stars right now. They are in the shape of a 1963 Chevy. Prove
>>> me wrong. Catch my drift?
>> Did Saturday Night Live or TV Guide agree with your point of view that they appeared in the shape of a 1963 Chevy ?
> Nope. But, I just asked someone in another room, and she agreed with me. Am I now right?
The problem is that you cannot prove that that person in the other room exists, and agreed with you.
Everyone knows that SNL exists.
>>>> Most of these people are frightened by the campaign of Hollywood Homosexuals against me.
>>> So the 'Hollywood Homosexual's' are all after you? Well, whatever shall we do?
>> Simple. Express your point of view freely and ignore their fake 'friendship'.
> Do you have any friends, John? Is *that* too personal too? Do you know what 'friendship' means?
I do not answer personal questions.
>>>>>> If what I was stating was not recognized to be true, none of these people would ever have responded to my messages and there
>>>>>> would have been no need for a campaign by the Hollywood Homosexual public relations workers here to threaten those people to
>>>>>> stop them from responding.
>>>>> *Yawn* You really need new tactics, John.
>>>> Telling the truth is the only "tactic" I have.
>>>> Politics
>>> Incorrect. The 'tactic' you have is taking a fact, and twisting and mangling it until it meet's your needs. This is not the
>>> 'truth'. There is a difference.
>> Your "you're"s really need some grammatical help.
> Aww, thanks, John. You know, if you wanted to be my friend, you could have just asked. Wait...Should I take that as a 'Personal
> Attack'?
More edification. A free service here on the Usenet.
>> It is your right to attempt to disprove the assertions I have made and make a challenge for championship here.
>> Politics
> Prove my view wrong. I see a 1963 Chevy outlined with stars. Prove me wrong.
Tell us of any major TV show or publication which agrees with you and which we can verify agrees with you.
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http://www.scifi.com/events/event.php3?event_id=11304
OUTer Gay/Lesbian SF Film Fest
Conventions 11/5/2005 - 11/6/2005
The OUTer Gay and Lesbian SciFi/Fantasy Film Festival celebrates its second year as a showcase for films
by, for, and about gay, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgender in the genre of science fiction, fantasy, and horror.
Official site: www.outerfilmfest.com.
Location: 2300 Village Way Drive, Austin, Texas
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Do, 13 Oktober 2005 16:28 |
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I think the most important part of John's posts is what is in the
header:
Complaints-To: abuse [at] cox.net
I'd advise everyone to use this, instead of fanning this trolls flames.
Nick
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"Nicholas Fitzpatrick" <nfitz [at] sentex.ca> wrote in message news:434e6efb$1 [at] news.sentex.net...
>I think the most important part of John's posts is what is in the header:
> Complaints-To: abuse [at] cox.net
> I'd advise everyone to use this, instead of fanning this trolls flames.
> Nick
> Spoilsport.
> Can't you join the ACLU and found a Libertarian wing? I mean, why not?
> You like what they already do but not who they do it for?
The ACLU is a right wing libertarian organization. Organized Crime and Hollywood Homosexuals
are their biggest customers, right wing libertarians, both.
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"Earl Grieda" <eASQWERTgrieda [at] VADFWEFyahoo.comical> wrote in message news:KF9Xe.11484$4P5.5288 [at] newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> These are a few points I haven't seen mentioned.
> During the poker game when the other player was quitting and saying what's
> the point, Starbuck defended the party line: "Don't give up. We'll find
> earth." I liked this because Starbuck is portrayed as the rebel. Yet here
> she is being the good officer. Also, she is defending Helo, and by
> extension Sharon, when she slams the pilot head first into the table.
In this scene the pilots are portrayed playing cards for money, yet again in this BSG series.
Gambling is a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized Crime.
In that same scene, the pejorative reference to prostitution by Racetrack is condemned by the BSG writers
and the Hollywood Homosexuals who maintain a stranglehold on the script and direction of the BSG series.
"(Racetrack) Good idea. Maybe that Cylon whore taught him a few tricks."
Prostitution is a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized Crime.
The greatest danger to this country today is that from the right wing libertarian nexus between:
US Supreme Court, Hollywood Homosexuals Neo-Conservatives,
ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union), Organized Crime.
Organized Crime are the ultimate libertarians, even more right wing libertarian than homosexuals.
> Later the Chief becomes violent over Sharon. Two scenes together
> (Starbuck/Chief) are showing the negative effect that Sharon is having on
> the crew. Helo managed to keep his cool while the Chief loses it.
"(Chief) I should probably be grateful to you. Probably be grateful. You know why?
Because that freak in her belly could have been mine."
Clearly these two guys know that they are fighting over something that is non-human, thus Bestiality.
The clear message is, if these two guys can pervert heterosexual sex to Bestiality in this way,
what could possibly be so wrong with 2 men, like Apollo and Zerak, or Zerak and Meier, and Sodomy ?
Heck, at least they are both human.
After all, to BSG Hollywood Homosexuals libertarians, morality has to be relative.
> Apollo says to the Chief that nobody is expecting any miracles, and the
> Chief says that's the problem. I seem to remember another scene in an
> earlier episode of Apollo's easy going style in a pilots meeting when he
> said something similar. Not the best leadership style to inspire confidence.
> There was an older guy in the maintenance crew. That was nice. Not
> everyone is in their 20s-30s. He was also the first to offer to give the
> Chief a hand in making his plane.
> Lack of oxygen brings out honesty: Starbuck, while suffering lack of
> oxygen, says she will fly the plane. Lee says why, and Starbuck says that
> while everyone else is whining the Chief is trying to do something positive.
The giggling fit of Starbuck in this scene conjured up the effects of drugs, even laughing gas.
Drugs are a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized Crime.
> Baltar is still slimy: I liked the subtle back-handed way that Baltar laid
> the blame of the computer virus on Tigh when he tells Adama that the virus
> is the result of the network that Tigh had setup after Adama was shot. Why
> is he back-stabbing Tigh. and helping Gaeta?
>
> At first I thought that Sharon was getting "programmed" when she read the
> printout that Helo had. However, now I think that at that point she
> realized that the Cylons were going to kill her along with everyone else.
> That makes the "common ground" theme realistic.
>
> Why is anyone concerned if the space plane has a skin? It flies in space.
> It doesn't need a skin.
>
> Tigh takes a jar of moonshine after he provides the engines. The Chief said
> that he was making it to trade for engine parts. I like the overall theme
> of acceptance of alcohol use in the show. As shown during the christening
> of the plane when the Chief takes the first swig.
Organized Crime in the US became established in the 1920's during prohibition,
when alcohol was briefly banned in the US.by the 18th Amendment to the US Constitution in 1919, which was later
repealed by the 21st Amendment in 1933. Organized Crimes guys from that time were so proud of making
money defying the alcohol prohibition, doing exactly what the Chief is doing in the scene in this BSG episode:
manufacturing and selling "moonshine" from "stills".
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
The BSG writers present this right wing libertarian criminal behavior as having a altruistic and beneficial goal--
the development of the Stealth Fighter space vehicle, which we will surely see is critical to the defense
against the Cylons.
You see, BSG Hollywood Homosexuals are telling us, selling illegal drugs has a good side...
Alcohol was a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized Crime, until alcohol was
re-legalized in 1933, and some Organized Crime bosses went legit, selling this product.
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| Re: Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG [message #149940 ] |
Fr, 14 Oktober 2005 20:36 |
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You have many logical errors in your arguments.
It is incumbent on the person propositioning a theory
to provide testable evidence to support the theory.
It is not incumbent on the person receiving a theory
to provide evidence in refute, only to address that the
facts of the argument do not follow.
Your arguments are unsupportable, you repeatedly
deny the antecedent. There is no game to win and
nobody has to prove you wrong, you have to
prove yourself right - which you have not... And, no
this is not personal, it is solely based on your arguments.
===================================
Reason
> Gambling is a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized
Crime.
This statement is false, gambling is not necessarily a product of organized
crime. I can gamble anytime I want without connections to organized crime.
This is a logical fallacy of hasty generalization.
> Prostitution is a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported
Organized Crime.
Again, this statement is false, prostitution existed before ACLU or
Organized Crime.Also, there are prostitutes who operate 'freelance'
with no connection to anyone else.
This again is a logical fallacy of hasty generalization.
> Clearly these two guys know that they are fighting over something that is
non-human, thus Bestiality.
Anything non-human is not automatically animal. I cannot have bestiality
with a sex toy. This is a false analogy at best, a syllogistic fallacy at
worst.
> The clear message is, if these two guys can pervert heterosexual sex to
Bestiality in this way,
> what could possibly be so wrong with 2 men, like Apollo and Zerak, or
Zerak and Meier, and Sodomy ?
Ignoring the fact that the statement preceding this one was false, this is a
classic example of the slippery slope.
> The giggling fit of Starbuck in this scene conjured up the effects of
drugs, even laughing gas.
In context, Starbuck's giggling is due to anoxia, a known symptom - slothful
induction.
> Drugs are a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized
Crime.
This again is a logical fallacy of hasty generalization. Drugs are a
product of good-ole mother nature and have been present way before
ACLU supported Organized Crime.
Drugs can be grown, made, purchased or used without the support of the same.
> The BSG writers present this right wing libertarian criminal behavior as
having a altruistic and beneficial goal--
> the development of the Stealth Fighter space vehicle, which we will surely
see is critical to the defense
> against the Cylons.
> You see, BSG Hollywood Homosexuals are telling us, selling illegal drugs
has a good side...
Writing about vigilantism does not necessarily mean the writer approves of
vigilantism. Nor does the thought of doing something illegal imply that it
is ok
to do something illegal. I have not seen reference in BSG to say that
posessing
alcohol is illegal. Although one might assume that a still on a military
vessel is not
allowed.
Who are the "Hollywood Homosexuals"? This is an anonymous authority error.
"John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:zir3f.73263$lq6.55200 [at] fed1read01...
> <rja.carnegie [at] excite.com> wrote in message
news:1128008684.914037.210930 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> > Stephen M. Adams wrote:
> >> rja.carnegie [at] excite.com writes:
> >> >Stephen M. Adams wrote:
> >> >> "Tom Conner" <tconner [at] olopha.net> writes:
> >> >> >"Stephen M. Adams" <adamst [at] no.spam> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:dhejm50g33 [at] news4.newsguy.com...
> >> >> >> Kai Lanio <Lanio [at] arcor.de> writes:
> >> >> >> >Neil Nadelman wrote:
> >> >> >> >> My personal favorite part is how he seems to have melded
gays,
> >> >> >> >> libertarians, conservatives, mobsters, AND the ACLU into one
cohesive
> >> >> >> >> group. I mean, they all get along so well with each other.
> >> >> >> >Paroon me What is the ACLU?
> >> >> >> American Civil Liberties Union (http://aclu.org)
> >> >> >> Generally loved by the left, generally hated by the right.
> >> >> >And used by both when it suites their purpose. Bob Barr and the
ACLU
> >> >> >working together is a good example.
> >> >> True enough. I just wish they would get involved in rights that
> >> >> aren't at the top of the left's agenda. There are others...
> >> >Isn't it that people whose cause is at the top of the right's agenda
> >> >tend not to like the ACLU?
> >> Maybe. I'm a Libertarian. I'd love to see them start pushing cases in
> >> areas they don't usually tread.
> >> >Plus, where ACLU action is by volunteer, maybe someone has to
volunteer.
> >> True. But there is also a culture which seems to have them aling their
> >> agenda with the 'left' more than the 'right' (at least as I see it).
> >> Seriously - I'm all for pushing free speech, but they only like certain
> >> kinds of free speech. I'm all for religious freedom, but they don't
> >> follow the intent of the 1st amendment (IMHO). Of course, this is
going
> >> WAY off topic, so I'll drop it at that.
> > Spoilsport.
> > Can't you join the ACLU and found a Libertarian wing? I mean, why not?
> > You like what they already do but not who they do it for?
>
> The ACLU is a right wing libertarian organization. Organized Crime and
Hollywood Homosexuals
> are their biggest customers, right wing libertarians, both.
>
> ============================================================ =====
> "Earl Grieda" <eASQWERTgrieda [at] VADFWEFyahoo.comical> wrote in message
news:KF9Xe.11484$4P5.5288 [at] newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > These are a few points I haven't seen mentioned.
> > During the poker game when the other player was quitting and saying
what's
> > the point, Starbuck defended the party line: "Don't give up. We'll
find
> > earth." I liked this because Starbuck is portrayed as the rebel. Yet
here
> > she is being the good officer. Also, she is defending Helo, and by
> > extension Sharon, when she slams the pilot head first into the table.
>
> In this scene the pilots are portrayed playing cards for money, yet again
in this BSG series.
>
> In that same scene, the pejorative reference to prostitution by Racetrack
is condemned by the BSG writers
> and the Hollywood Homosexuals who maintain a stranglehold on the script
and direction of the BSG series.
> "(Racetrack) Good idea. Maybe that Cylon whore taught him a few tricks."
> Prostitution is a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported
Organized Crime.
>
> The greatest danger to this country today is that from the right wing
libertarian nexus between:
> US Supreme Court, Hollywood Homosexuals Neo-Conservatives,
> ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union), Organized Crime.
> Organized Crime are the ultimate libertarians, even more right wing
libertarian than homosexuals.
>
> > Later the Chief becomes violent over Sharon. Two scenes together
> > (Starbuck/Chief) are showing the negative effect that Sharon is having
on
> > the crew. Helo managed to keep his cool while the Chief loses it.
>
> "(Chief) I should probably be grateful to you. Probably be grateful. You
know why?
> Because that freak in her belly could have been mine."
> Clearly these two guys know that they are fighting over something that is
non-human, thus Bestiality.
> The clear message is, if these two guys can pervert heterosexual sex to
Bestiality in this way,
> what could possibly be so wrong with 2 men, like Apollo and Zerak, or
Zerak and Meier, and Sodomy ?
> Heck, at least they are both human.
> After all, to BSG Hollywood Homosexuals libertarians, morality has to
be relative.
>
> > Apollo says to the Chief that nobody is expecting any miracles, and the
> > Chief says that's the problem. I seem to remember another scene in an
> > earlier episode of Apollo's easy going style in a pilots meeting when he
> > said something similar. Not the best leadership style to inspire
confidence.
> > There was an older guy in the maintenance crew. That was nice. Not
> > everyone is in their 20s-30s. He was also the first to offer to give
the
> > Chief a hand in making his plane.
> > Lack of oxygen brings out honesty: Starbuck, while suffering lack of
> > oxygen, says she will fly the plane. Lee says why, and Starbuck says
that
> > while everyone else is whining the Chief is trying to do something
positive.
>
> The giggling fit of Starbuck in this scene conjured up the effects of
drugs, even laughing gas.
> Drugs are a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized
Crime.
>
> > Baltar is still slimy: I liked the subtle back-handed way that Baltar
laid
> > the blame of the computer virus on Tigh when he tells Adama that the
virus
> > is the result of the network that Tigh had setup after Adama was shot.
Why
> > is he back-stabbing Tigh. and helping Gaeta?
> >
> > At first I thought that Sharon was getting "programmed" when she read
the
> > printout that Helo had. However, now I think that at that point she
> > realized that the Cylons were going to kill her along with everyone
else.
> > That makes the "common ground" theme realistic.
> >
> > Why is anyone concerned if the space plane has a skin? It flies in
space.
> > It doesn't need a skin.
> >
> > Tigh takes a jar of moonshine after he provides the engines. The Chief
said
> > that he was making it to trade for engine parts. I like the overall
theme
> > of acceptance of alcohol use in the show. As shown during the
christening
> > of the plane when the Chief takes the first swig.
>
> Organized Crime in the US became established in the 1920's during
prohibition,
> when alcohol was briefly banned in the US.by the 18th Amendment to the US
Constitution in 1919, which was later
> repealed by the 21st Amendment in 1933. Organized Crimes guys from that
time were so proud of making
> money defying the alcohol prohibition, doing exactly what the Chief is
doing in the scene in this BSG episode:
> manufacturing and selling "moonshine" from "stills".
> http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
> The BSG writers present this right wing libertarian criminal behavior as
having a altruistic and beneficial goal--
> the development of the Stealth Fighter space vehicle, which we will surely
see is critical to the defense
> against the Cylons.
> You see, BSG Hollywood Homosexuals are telling us, selling illegal drugs
has a good side...
> Alcohol was a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized
Crime, until alcohol was
> re-legalized in 1933, and some Organized Crime bosses went legit, selling
this product.
> ============================================================ ============
>
> Politics
>
>
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Fr, 14 Oktober 2005 22:12 |
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"dru_mcd" <dru_mcd [at] knology.net> wrote in message news:2b270$434ffab4$18d664a3$14920 [at] KNOLOGY.NET...
> You have many logical errors in your arguments. It is incumbent on the person propositioning a theory
> to provide testable evidence to support the theory. It is not incumbent on the person receiving a theory
> to provide evidence in refute, only to address that the facts of the argument do not follow.
> Your arguments are unsupportable, you repeatedly deny the antecedent. There is no game to win and
> nobody has to prove you wrong, you have to prove yourself right - which you have not... And, no
> this is not personal, it is solely based on your arguments.
> ===================================
> Reason
You are free to engage in debate to prove me wrong and win the championship for the
Hollywood Homosexuals here.
>> Gambling is a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized Crime.
> This statement is false, gambling is not necessarily a product of organized
> crime. I can gamble anytime I want without connections to organized crime.
> This is a logical fallacy of hasty generalization.
I did not state that all Gambling which is performed is performed under the control of Organized Crime.
However, most of it is.
Again, the role of this BSG episode is to advertise these Organized Crime products.
The fact that other small time individuals may also purvey these products is an irrelevant detail.
>> Prostitution is a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized Crime.
> Again, this statement is false, prostitution existed before ACLU or
> Organized Crime.Also, there are prostitutes who operate 'freelance'
> with no connection to anyone else. This again is a logical fallacy of hasty generalization.
I did not state that all prostitution was Organized crime. However, to make a living from
prostitution often requires working in areas controlled by Organized Crime (i.e. certain streets at night),
where a woman or man engaging in this business needs to make a deal with Organized Crime, usually
through a pimp, to be allowed to work safely.
>> Clearly these two guys know that they are fighting over something that is non-human, thus Bestiality.
> Anything non-human is not automatically animal. I cannot have bestiality
> with a sex toy. This is a false analogy at best, a syllogistic fallacy at worst.
A sex toy could hardly be considered alive. Only sex between a man and a woman is Normal Sex.
>> The clear message is, if these two guys can pervert heterosexual sex to Bestiality in this way,
>> what could possibly be so wrong with 2 men, like Apollo and Zerak, or Zerak and Meier, and Sodomy ?
> Ignoring the fact that the statement preceding this one was false, this is a classic example of the slippery slope.
That statement and this one must be proven to be false, before this claim can be validated.
>> The giggling fit of Starbuck in this scene conjured up the effects of drugs, even laughing gas.
> In context, Starbuck's giggling is due to anoxia, a known symptom - slothful induction.
There is no perception within the viewing public that anoxia causing a gigggling fit, even if this is true.
And TV is all about playing to the viewers' perceptions, unless they take time to educate the viewers
about this detail.
>> Drugs are a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized Crime.
> This again is a logical fallacy of hasty generalization. Drugs are a
> product of good-ole mother nature and have been present way before ACLU supported Organized Crime.
> Drugs can be grown, made, purchased or used without the support of the same.
Those are small time operations. Again, the role of this BSG episode is to advertise these Organized Crime products.
The fact that other small time individuals may also purvey these products is an irrelevant detail.
>> The BSG writers present this right wing libertarian criminal behavior as having a altruistic and beneficial goal--
>> the development of the Stealth Fighter space vehicle, which we will surely see is critical to the defense
>> against the Cylons.
>> You see, BSG Hollywood Homosexuals are telling us, selling illegal drugs has a good side...
> Writing about vigilantism does not necessarily mean the writer approves of vigilantism.
> Nor does the thought of doing something illegal imply that it is ok to do something illegal.
> I have not seen reference in BSG to say that possessing alcohol is illegal.
> Although one might assume that a still on a military vessel is not allowed.
> Who are the "Hollywood Homosexuals"? This is an anonymous authority error.
Of course it is the clear implication on BSG that the manufacture and possession of alcohol is illegal.
Why else would they be portraying the Chief manufacturing this substance in secret and being discovered
by the XO Tigh.
Politics
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> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:zir3f.73263$lq6.55200 [at] fed1read01...
>> <rja.carnegie [at] excite.com> wrote in message
> news:1128008684.914037.210930 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> > Stephen M. Adams wrote:
>> >> rja.carnegie [at] excite.com writes:
>> >> >Stephen M. Adams wrote:
>> >> >> "Tom Conner" <tconner [at] olopha.net> writes:
>> >> >> >"Stephen M. Adams" <adamst [at] no.spam> wrote in message
>> >> >> >news:dhejm50g33 [at] news4.newsguy.com...
>> >> >> >> Kai Lanio <Lanio [at] arcor.de> writes:
>> >> >> >> >Neil Nadelman wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> My personal favorite part is how he seems to have melded
> gays,
>> >> >> >> >> libertarians, conservatives, mobsters, AND the ACLU into one
> cohesive
>> >> >> >> >> group. I mean, they all get along so well with each other.
>> >> >> >> >Paroon me What is the ACLU?
>> >> >> >> American Civil Liberties Union (http://aclu.org)
>> >> >> >> Generally loved by the left, generally hated by the right.
>> >> >> >And used by both when it suites their purpose. Bob Barr and the
> ACLU
>> >> >> >working together is a good example.
>> >> >> True enough. I just wish they would get involved in rights that
>> >> >> aren't at the top of the left's agenda. There are others...
>> >> >Isn't it that people whose cause is at the top of the right's agenda
>> >> >tend not to like the ACLU?
>> >> Maybe. I'm a Libertarian. I'd love to see them start pushing cases in
>> >> areas they don't usually tread.
>> >> >Plus, where ACLU action is by volunteer, maybe someone has to
> volunteer.
>> >> True. But there is also a culture which seems to have them aling their
>> >> agenda with the 'left' more than the 'right' (at least as I see it).
>> >> Seriously - I'm all for pushing free speech, but they only like certain
>> >> kinds of free speech. I'm all for religious freedom, but they don't
>> >> follow the intent of the 1st amendment (IMHO). Of course, this is
> going
>> >> WAY off topic, so I'll drop it at that.
>> > Spoilsport.
>> > Can't you join the ACLU and found a Libertarian wing? I mean, why not?
>> > You like what they already do but not who they do it for?
>>
>> The ACLU is a right wing libertarian organization. Organized Crime and
> Hollywood Homosexuals
>> are their biggest customers, right wing libertarians, both.
>>
>> ============================================================ =====
>> "Earl Grieda" <eASQWERTgrieda [at] VADFWEFyahoo.comical> wrote in message
> news:KF9Xe.11484$4P5.5288 [at] newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> > These are a few points I haven't seen mentioned.
>> > During the poker game when the other player was quitting and saying what's
>> > the point, Starbuck defended the party line: "Don't give up. We'll find
>> > earth." I liked this because Starbuck is portrayed as the rebel. Yet here
>> > she is being the good officer. Also, she is defending Helo, and by
>> > extension Sharon, when she slams the pilot head first into the table.
>>
>> In this scene the pilots are portrayed playing cards for money, yet again in this BSG series.
>>
>> In that same scene, the pejorative reference to prostitution by Racetrack is condemned by the BSG writers
>> and the Hollywood Homosexuals who maintain a stranglehold on the script
> and direction of the BSG series.
>> "(Racetrack) Good idea. Maybe that Cylon whore taught him a few tricks."
>> Prostitution is a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized Crime.
>>
>> The greatest danger to this country today is that from the right wing libertarian nexus between:
>> US Supreme Court, Hollywood Homosexuals Neo-Conservatives,
>> ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union), Organized Crime.
>> Organized Crime are the ultimate libertarians, even more right wing libertarian than homosexuals.
>>
>> > Later the Chief becomes violent over Sharon. Two scenes together
>> > (Starbuck/Chief) are showing the negative effect that Sharon is having on
>> > the crew. Helo managed to keep his cool while the Chief loses it.
>>
>> "(Chief) I should probably be grateful to you. Probably be grateful. You know why?
>> Because that freak in her belly could have been mine."
>> Clearly these two guys know that they are fighting over something that is non-human, thus Bestiality.
>> The clear message is, if these two guys can pervert heterosexual sex to Bestiality in this way,
>> what could possibly be so wrong with 2 men, like Apollo and Zerak, or Zerak and Meier, and Sodomy ?
>> Heck, at least they are both human.
>> After all, to BSG Hollywood Homosexuals libertarians, morality has to be relative.
>>
>> > Apollo says to the Chief that nobody is expecting any miracles, and the
>> > Chief says that's the problem. I seem to remember another scene in an
>> > earlier episode of Apollo's easy going style in a pilots meeting when he
>> > said something similar. Not the best leadership style to inspire confidence.
>> > There was an older guy in the maintenance crew. That was nice. Not
>> > everyone is in their 20s-30s. He was also the first to offer to give the
>> > Chief a hand in making his plane.
>> > Lack of oxygen brings out honesty: Starbuck, while suffering lack of
>> > oxygen, says she will fly the plane. Lee says why, and Starbuck says that
>> > while everyone else is whining the Chief is trying to do something positive.
>> The giggling fit of Starbuck in this scene conjured up the effects of drugs, even laughing gas.
>> Drugs are a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized Crime.
>> > Baltar is still slimy: I liked the subtle back-handed way that Baltar laid
>> > the blame of the computer virus on Tigh when he tells Adama that the virus
>> > is the result of the network that Tigh had setup after Adama was shot.
>> > Why s he back-stabbing Tigh. and helping Gaeta?
>> > At first I thought that Sharon was getting "programmed" when she read the
>> > printout that Helo had. However, now I think that at that point she
>> > realized that the Cylons were going to kill her along with everyone else.
>> > That makes the "common ground" theme realistic.
>> >
>> > Why is anyone concerned if the space plane has a skin? It flies in space.
>> > It doesn't need a skin.
>> >
>> > Tigh takes a jar of moonshine after he provides the engines. The Chief said
>> > that he was making it to trade for engine parts. I like the overall theme
>> > of acceptance of alcohol use in the show. As shown during the christening
>> > of the plane when the Chief takes the first swig.
>>
>> Organized Crime in the US became established in the 1920's during prohibition, when alcohol
>> was briefly banned in the US.by the 18th Amendment to the US Constitution in 1919, which was later
>> repealed by the 21st Amendment in 1933. Organized Crimes guys from that time were so proud of making
>> money defying the alcohol prohibition, doing exactly what the Chief is doing in the scene in this BSG episode:
>> manufacturing and selling "moonshine" from "stills".
>> http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
>> The BSG writers present this right wing libertarian criminal behavior as having a altruistic and beneficial goal--
>> the development of the Stealth Fighter space vehicle, which we will surely see is critical to the defense
>> against the Cylons.
>> You see, BSG Hollywood Homosexuals are telling us, selling illegal drugs has a good side...
>> Alcohol was a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized Crime, until alcohol was
>> re-legalized in 1933, and some Organized Crime bosses went legit, selling this product.
>> ============================================================ ============
>> Politics
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I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to John Shocked:
> "Nicholas Fitzpatrick" wrote...
>>I think the most important part of John's posts is what is in the header:
>> Complaints-To: abuse [at] cox.net
>> I'd advise everyone to use this, instead of fanning this trolls flames.
>> Nick
>
>> Spoilsport.
>> Can't you join the ACLU and found a Libertarian wing? I mean, why not?
>> You like what they already do but not who they do it for?
>
> The ACLU is a right wing libertarian organization. Organized Crime and
> Hollywood Homosexuals are their biggest customers, right wing
> libertarians, both.
Suuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre they are, Easily.
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| Re: Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG [message #149950 ] |
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"dru_mcd" <dru_mcd [at] knology.net> wrote in message news:255c7$43506f9e$18d664a3$9831 [at] KNOLOGY.NET...
> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1jU3f.77348$lq6.47371 [at] fed1read01...
>> "dru_mcd" <dru_mcd [at] knology.net> wrote in message
> news:2b270$434ffab4$18d664a3$14920 [at] KNOLOGY.NET...
>>clipped irrelevant
>> You are free to engage in debate to prove me wrong and win the championship for the
>> Hollywood Homosexuals here.
> First of all, this message has nothing to do with Star Trek, Stargate SG-1,
> or Stargate Atlantis and I have removed them from the postings.
> Freedom is an entirely separate debate. If I do win the "championship", then I guess
> I'm just the devil's advocate.
At least you possess an excellent attitude.
>> >> Gambling is a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized Crime.
>> clip
>> I did not state that all Gambling which is performed is performed under the control of Organized Crime.
> You are correct, you did not state that all gambling which is performed
> is controlled by organized crime. You stated that it is a product of organized crime.
> Which is still not true.
Gambling is definitely a major product of organized crime.
That was the main business the Corleone family was in in the movie The Godfather (1972).
It was when the Don is shot and almost killed (a storyline which is stolen by BSG in the Adama shooting)
that the course of Organized Crime in that movie turns towards Drugs, after he wakes up and is weakened
and no longer able to curb the sale of Drugs by Organized Crime.
> Gambling is not a "product" of crime syndicates in the strict sense,
> but rather organized crime can use or facilitate gambling to further
> their goals, whatever they are.
In the movie the Godfather, they play with the truth about in the part of the storyline in which Michael Corleone
takes over the family and flies to Las Vegas to muscle in on Mo Green's (Bugsy Siegel) casino.
Organized Crime was the major investor in both operations and when Green's casinos do not make enough money,
he is killed off and Michael corleone makes a deal with Hollywood entertainers to perform a few times a year
at the casinos to attract high rollers.
That portrayed nexus between Hollywood Homosexuals and Organized Crime is real.
>> However, most of it is.
> If the truth of the conclusion is assumed by the premises, this is Begging the Question.
> For example:
> We know that God exists, since the Bible says God exists.
> What the Bible says must be true, since God wrote it and
> God never lies. (Here, we must agree that God exists in order
> to believe that God wrote the Bible.)
> Please forgive the religious allegory, but it does make the point.
This sounds like a circular argument.
>> Again, the role of this BSG episode is to advertise these Organized Crime products.
>> The fact that other small time individuals may also purvey these products is an irrelevant detail.
> Details are relevant.
> It is a Fallacy of Exclusion if important evidence which would undermine an inductive
> argument is excluded from consideration. The requirement that all relevant information be included
> is called the "principle of total evidence".
That is why I have included the small time operators and given them a specific weight in this evaluation.
>> >> Prostitution is a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized Crime.
>> clip
>> I did not state that all prostitution was Organized crime.
> That is true again, you stated that it was a product of the same.
> You seem to be representing "products of Organized Crime"
> in the sense that Organized Crime "manufactures" prostitution
> or gambling, etc. I would argue, again, that it merely facilitates
> these activities.
Organized Crime through their pimps control the presentation of prostitutes on the street and even over the Internet
to customers for money and they siphon off some of the money received from payments by pimps.
Organized Crime definitely presents this product for money to the public.
>> >> The clear message is, if these two guys can pervert heterosexual sex to Bestiality in this way, what
>> >> could possibly be so wrong with 2 men, like Apollo and Zerak, or Zerak and Meier, and Sodomy ?
>> > Ignoring the fact that the statement preceding this one was false, this
>> > is a classic example of the slippery slope.
>> That statement and this one must be proven to be false, before this claim can be validated.
> Begging the question... ibid.
Which statement are you claiming was false ?
>> >> The giggling fit of Starbuck in this scene conjured up the effects of drugs, even laughing gas.
>> > In context, Starbuck's giggling is due to anoxia, a known symptom - slothful induction.
>> There is no perception within the viewing public that anoxia causes a giggling fit, even if this is true.
>> And TV is all about playing to the viewers' perceptions, unless they take
>> time to educate the viewers about this detail.
> I clearly remember seeing the oxygen gauge dropping while the CO2 and the
> nitrogen gauge remained
> stationary. If that's not perception, I don't know what is.
> It is my opinion that mass media "responds" to vewer perceptions in a positive feedback cycle.
> For example, Jerry Springer -> increased ratings -> Springer clones.
> Eventually, viewer perceptions changed, ergo no more Springer (my opinion, of course).
Drug abuse often leads to oxygen deprivation of the brain which is often directly related to the
'high' experienced. For instance, dopamine increase during cocaine usage can constrict blood vessels
leading to this condition. Alcohol also has the effect of starving brain cells of oxygen.
=====================================================
http://www.oregoncounseling.org/ArticlesPapers/Documents/ETO HBIOFx.htm
Blackouts, or loss of memory for a period during drinking, are a physical effect of alcohol on the brain.
They occur as alcohol cuts off the supply of oxygen to the brain. Lack of oxygen supply to the brain
can kill tens of thousands of brain cells every time a person becomes intoxicated.
=====================================================
>> >> You see, BSG Hollywood Homosexuals are telling us, selling illegal drugs has a good side...
> Let me see if I understand...
> The depiction of a "criminal activity" in mass media is equivalent to approval of the same?
> Does "Law & Order" advocate homicide?
> Now that and others like it are germane questions, but not necessarily limited to BSG
> nor is it necessarily the product of "Hollywood Homosexuals",
> which is still an anonymous authority error (e.g."The Man" is out to get us.)
There is a positive reinforcement in the portrayal of drug effects in this episode, which is what the
giggling fit was meant to portray. Viewers likely would watch that scene and think that depriving their brain of oxygen,
through cocaine or alcohol or other drug abuse is a fun thing to try.
>> > I have not seen reference in BSG to say that possessing alcohol is illegal.
>> > Although one might assume that a still on a military vessel is not allowed.
>> Of course it is the clear implication on BSG that the manufacture and possession of alcohol is illegal.
>> Why else would they be portraying the Chief manufacturing this substance in secret and being
>> discovered by the XO Tigh.
> I agree.
> However, possession and manufacturing are not the same, e.g. Tigh.
> BTW, "sodomy" is inclusive of any sexual activity that
> is not "genital-genital" between a man and a woman.
> This includes not only bestiality and homosexual anal sex,
> but oral sex (hetero- or homosexual) as well as hetero anal sex.
> ============================
> Reason
The BSG storyline is saying that defying the law and using drugs is both fun for Starbuck and
a productive for the Colonies' fight against the Cylons, directly responsible for the stealth fighter.
The term "sodomy" has a strict and non-strict connotation.
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"dru_mcd" <dru_mcd [at] knology.net> wrote in message news:1d9a8$43516d64$18d664a3$22776 [at] KNOLOGY.NET...
> Please do not cross post, this has nothing to do with ST, SG-1, or Atlantis.
> It barely has to do with homosexuality as it is, but I left it in.
> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xv54f.77408$lq6.33776 [at] fed1read01...
>> "dru_mcd" <dru_mcd [at] knology.net> wrote in message
> news:255c7$43506f9e$18d664a3$9831 [at] KNOLOGY.NET...
>> > "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1jU3f.77348$lq6.47371 [at] fed1read01...
>> >> "dru_mcd" <dru_mcd [at] knology.net> wrote in message
>> > news:2b270$434ffab4$18d664a3$14920 [at] KNOLOGY.NET...
>> >>clipped irrelevant
>> At least you possess an excellent attitude.
> Thank you.
You earned it.
>> >> >> Gambling is a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized Crime.
>> That portrayed nexus between Hollywood Homosexuals and Organized Crime is real.
> Organized crime is a sub-set of illegal activities,
> (drugs, gambling, prostitution, or "crime") not the
> other way around. Another way to look at it would
> be the word itself: ORGANIZED (adjective) crime.
> This misplaced syllogism that you promote is key to your thesis,
> and to why your argument, as formed, is incorrect.
I have not stated that Organized Crime represents all crime.
They are simply better, more resourceful and more widespread in the criminality than anyone else.
>> > If the truth of the conclusion is assumed by the premises, this is Begging the Question.
>> This sounds like a circular argument.
> Correct.
What does this have to do with the points I have made.
>> >> Again, the role of this BSG episode is to advertise these Organized Crime products.
>> >> The fact that other small time individuals may also purvey these products is an irrelevant detail.
>> > Details are relevant.
>> > It is a Fallacy of Exclusion if important evidence which would undermine an inductive
>> > argument is excluded from consideration. The requirement that all relevant information be
>> > included is called the "principle of total evidence".
> Yes, we agree that Organized Crime facilitates gambling,
> drug use, prostitution, etc. But as illustrated, one can have
> crime that is not necessarily "Organized Crime".
> Therefore the depiction of a crime is not necessarily the
> depiction of an organized crime.
> Period.
> I feel that you are trying to work your way into a larger issue
> in the form of "What is the difference between depiction
> and advertisement"?
To weak minds, practically every depiction of a product works as an advertisement.
Hollywood Homosexuals know a lot of weak minds watch BSG and other science fiction TV series.
> For example, does the depiction of smoking or drinking in
> popular media equate to a tacet approval of those activities?
> What about perceived sex roles for both men and women,
> for example, a female president on that new ABC show
> as well as BSG? Or what about fathers being depicted
> as mindless simpletons like Homer on The Simpsons?
> Do movies like "Man on Fire" promote murderous
> rampages? My point is that media's effect on society
> is a germain topic for discussion that does not require
> appealing to an unidentified authority (e.g. Hollywood
> Homosexuals) and their supposed agenda. Nor is this
> issue limited to BSG.
Whatever issue concerning the media and mind control of weak minds is fair game here.
> If this is in fact your concern, my suggestion is to
> please invest your time and energy into a mass-media
> or other public communications class at your local university.
My speech belongs right here.
>> >> >> The clear message is, if these two guys can pervert heterosexual sex to Bestiality in this way, what
>> >> >> could possibly be so wrong with 2 men, like Apollo and Zerak, or Zerak and Meier, and Sodomy ?
>> >> > Ignoring the fact that the statement preceding this one was false, this
>> >> > is a classic example of the slippery slope.
>> >> That statement and this one must be proven to be false, before this claim can be validated.
>> > Begging the question... ibid.
>> Which statement are you claiming was false ?
> A slippery slope fallacy is an argument that says adopting one policy
> or taking one action will lead to a series of other policies or actions
> also being taken, without showing a causal connection between the
> advocated policy and the consequent policies. A popular example of the
> slippery slope fallacy is, "If we legalize marijuana, the next thing you
> know we'll legalize heroin, LSD, and crack cocaine." This slippery slope is a
> form of non sequitur, because no reason has been provided for why legalization
> of one thing leads to legalization of another. Tobacco and alcohol are
> currently legal, and yet other drugs have somehow remained illegal.
The evidence for this is practical: those who deal with drug abusers in the prison system
or psychiatry come up with the same results which are that overwhelmingly, these drugs
lead from one to the next.
>> >> >> The giggling fit of Starbuck in this scene conjured up the effects of drugs, even laughing gas.
>> >> > In context, Starbuck's giggling is due to anoxia, a known symptom - slothful induction.
>> >> There is no perception within the viewing public that anoxia causes a giggling fit, even if this is true.
>> >> And TV is all about playing to the viewers' perceptions, unless they take
>> >> time to educate the viewers about this detail.
>> > I clearly remember seeing the oxygen gauge dropping while the CO2 and the
>> > nitrogen gauge remained stationary. If that's not perception, I don't know what is.
>> Drug abuse often leads to oxygen deprivation of the brain which is often directly related to the
>> 'high' experienced. For instance, dopamine increase during cocaine usage
>> can constrict blood vessels leading to this condition. Alcohol also has the effect of starving
>> brain cells of oxygen.
> Yes, anoxia can be a side-effect of drug use. However I disagree
> that it is the primary stimulation from or reason for using drugs.
> Drugs have many, complex effects on the body and brain. Cocaine
> for example has multiple effects on the seretonin cascade, and an indepth
> discussion of that is out of scope of this debate.
> The point, however, is similar to the one above because the syllogism is incorrect.
> Anoxia from drug-use is a subset of all the possible causes of anoxia.
Your attempt to disprove an association of the portrayed ambient oxygen reduction
with an intent to convey the idea of drug abuse failed. Drug abuse and oxygen deprivation
are unquestionably related, especially to those who are involved in the
commission, treatment or punishment of the behavior.
>> There is a positive reinforcement in the portrayal of drug effects in this episode, which is what the
>> giggling fit was meant to portray. Viewers likely would watch that scene and think that
>> depriving their brain of oxygen, through cocaine or alcohol or other drug abuse is a fun thing to try.
> That is assuming the viewers were clueless in understanding
> that they were about to die. There are other, more direct depictions
> on TV of drug use being represented as being "positive". This just
> doesn't happen to be one. This is still slothful induction.
Starbuck and Apollo die ? Every viewer knows that that is never going to happen in the the BSG series.
Thus, everyone perceived simply that Starbuck and Apollo were having fun, and gas taken into their system
were responsible for this.
>> The term "sodomy" has a strict and non-strict connotation.
> That "non-strict connotation" was strict enough to have a friend of
> mine, an Army Warrant-Officer Pilot, convicted of that crime
> and sentenced to a term of seven years in the Military Prison
> at Ft. Levenworth, KY. All over a blow-job and Politics.
> To summarize, you appear to be trying to link portrayed activities
> with approval of the same activities. While the point you bring up
> is valid, your syllogisms are illogical and therefore the argument fails.
> In your search for the truth, logic must be your tool to
> preserve the truth. What that means is if you start with true
> beliefs, your reasoning will not lead you to a false conclusion.
> ========================================
> Reason
Portrayal of fringe activities which appears to make people laugh and be happy
would definitely qualify as portrayal of approval of said behavior.
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| Re: Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG [message #149965 ] |
So, 16 Oktober 2005 08:37 |
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I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to John Shocked:
> "dru_mcd" wrote...
>> You have many logical errors in your arguments. It is incumbent on the
>> person propositioning a theory
>> to provide testable evidence to support the theory. It is not incumbent
>> on the person receiving a theory to provide evidence in refute, only to
>> address that the facts of the argument do not follow.
>> Your arguments are unsupportable, you repeatedly deny the antecedent.
>> There is no game to win and
>> nobody has to prove you wrong, you have to prove yourself right - which
>> you have not... And, no this is not personal, it is solely based on your
>> arguments. ===================================
>> Reason
>
> You are free to engage in debate to prove me wrong and win the
> championship for the Hollywood Homosexuals here.
You have been proven wrong in every way your opponents can think of, and now
we are moving on to the next phase, wherein your k00ky aspects are to be
examined, as long as you are inclined to keep up the massive x-posting.
BTW, you have never proven that the "Hollywood Homosexuals" have any more
reality or credibility than the War On Terror.
>>> Gambling is a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported
>>> Organized Crime.
>> This statement is false, gambling is not necessarily a product of
>> organized crime. I can gamble anytime I want without connections to
>> organized crime. This is a logical fallacy of hasty generalization.
>
> I did not state that all Gambling which is performed is performed under
> the control of Organized Crime. However, most of it is.
> Again, the role of this BSG episode is to advertise these Organized Crime
> products. The fact that other small time individuals may also purvey these
> products is an irrelevant detail.
Why do you insist so much on singling out BSG? Lots of other shows, in and
out of the sf genre, depict gambling, drug use, prostitution, and various
forms of adult sex -- but BSG has _never_ been explicit about the sex, and
the original series had a prostitute in the regular cast, as well as a
smoker/gambler among the stars. IOW, none of the stuff you're complaining
about (of those things which are actually present in the series) is in any
way "new" to BSG (unlike fully-android Cylons), and as for the complaints
about "sodomy", well, they're laughable. The subtext of a work of fiction
is for the audience to decipher, but a negative appraisal of subtext is the
business of the one who deciphers it, not the creator's. In other words,
"He who smelt it, dealt it!"
>>> Prostitution is a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported
>>> Organized Crime.
>> Again, this statement is false, prostitution existed before ACLU or
>> Organized Crime.Also, there are prostitutes who operate 'freelance'
>> with no connection to anyone else. This again is a logical fallacy of
>> hasty generalization.
>
> I did not state that all prostitution was Organized crime. However, to
> make a living from prostitution often requires working in areas controlled
> by Organized Crime (i.e. certain streets at night), where a woman or man
> engaging in this business needs to make a deal with Organized Crime,
> usually through a pimp, to be allowed to work safely.
Prostitution in BSG, however, bears no resemblance to that of this planet,
as "Socialators" are respected members of society, religious fanatics
aside.
>>> Clearly these two guys know that they are fighting over something that
>>> is non-human, thus Bestiality.
>> Anything non-human is not automatically animal. I cannot have bestiality
>> with a sex toy. This is a false analogy at best, a syllogistic fallacy
>> at worst.
>
> A sex toy could hardly be considered alive. Only sex between a man and a
> woman is Normal Sex.
Well, Mr. Mundane Boring Grey Little Man, your *opinion* is noted and
dismissed. Cylons such as Number Six & Boomer qualify as "sex toys", with
the caveat that Boomer, in at least one of her iterations, appears to be
capable of being impregnated, something around which I'm admittedly still
wrapping my mind, but it still doesn't make your bestiality accusation
anything but ridiculous.
>>> The clear message is, if these two guys can pervert heterosexual sex to
>>> Bestiality in this way,
>>> what could possibly be so wrong with 2 men, like Apollo and Zerak, or
>>> Zerak and Meier, and Sodomy ?
>> Ignoring the fact that the statement preceding this one was false, this
>> is a classic example of the slippery slope.
>
> That statement and this one must be proven to be false, before this claim
> can be validated.
No, it has been proven, by your own words. You are using the slippery slope
fallacy. "The clear message is, if these two guys can pervert heterosexual
sex to Bestiality in this way, what could possibly be so wrong with 2 men,
like Apollo and Zerak, or Zerak and Meier, and Sodomy?" As Dru says,
classic.
>>> The giggling fit of Starbuck in this scene conjured up the effects of
>>> drugs, even laughing gas.
>> In context, Starbuck's giggling is due to anoxia, a known symptom -
>> slothful induction.
>
> There is no perception within the viewing public that anoxia causing a
> gigggling fit, even if this is true. And TV is all about playing to the
> viewers' perceptions, unless they take time to educate the viewers about
> this detail.
Your claim remains an unproven conspiracy theory (along with the HHs, the
ACLU being a right-wing libertarian organisation, and all your other
examples of paranoid psychosis), and while conspiracies run rampant on this
planet, conspiracy theories can be had for a dime a dozen.
>>> Drugs are a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized
>>> Crime.
>> This again is a logical fallacy of hasty generalization. Drugs are a
>> product of good-ole mother nature and have been present way before ACLU
>> supported Organized Crime. Drugs can be grown, made, purchased or used
>> without the support of the same.
>
> Those are small time operations. Again, the role of this BSG episode is
> to advertise these Organized Crime products. The fact that other small
> time individuals may also purvey these products is an irrelevant detail.
More unproven conspiracy theory.
>>> The BSG writers present this right wing libertarian criminal behavior as
>>> having a altruistic and beneficial goal-- the development of the Stealth
>>> Fighter space vehicle, which we will surely see is critical to the
>>> defense against the Cylons.
>>> You see, BSG Hollywood Homosexuals are telling us, selling illegal
>>> drugs has a good side...
>> Writing about vigilantism does not necessarily mean the writer approves
>> of vigilantism. Nor does the thought of doing something illegal imply
>> that it is ok to do something illegal. I have not seen reference in BSG
>> to say that possessing alcohol is illegal. Although one might assume that
>> a still on a military vessel is not allowed.
>> Who are the "Hollywood Homosexuals"? This is an anonymous authority
>> error.
>
> Of course it is the clear implication on BSG that the manufacture and
> possession of alcohol is illegal. Why else would they be portraying the
> Chief manufacturing this substance in secret and being discovered by the
> XO Tigh.
Conspiracy theory. Prove your assertions, or we'll laugh at you.
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Economic Left/Right: -7.63 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.38
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| Re: Homosexual News bulletin from www.scifi.com about BSG [message #149971 ] |
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I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to John Shocked:
> "dru_mcd" wrote...
>> "John Shocked" wrote...
>>> "dru_mcd" wrote...
>>>clipped irrelevant
>>> You are free to engage in debate to prove me wrong and win the
>>> championship for the Hollywood Homosexuals here.
>> First of all, this message has nothing to do with Star Trek, Stargate
>> SG-1, or Stargate Atlantis and I have removed them from the postings.
>> Freedom is an entirely separate debate. If I do win the "championship",
>> then I guess I'm just the devil's advocate.
>
> At least you possess an excellent attitude.
>
>>> >> Gambling is a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported
>>> >> Organized Crime.
>>> clip
>>> I did not state that all Gambling which is performed is performed under
>>> the control of Organized Crime.
>> You are correct, you did not state that all gambling which is performed
>> is controlled by organized crime. You stated that it is a product of
>> organized crime. Which is still not true.
>
> Gambling is definitely a major product of organized crime.
> That was the main business the Corleone family was in in the movie The
> Godfather (1972). It was when the Don is shot and almost killed (a
> storyline which is stolen by BSG in the Adama shooting) that the course of
> Organized Crime in that movie turns towards Drugs, after he wakes up and
> is weakened and no longer able to curb the sale of Drugs by Organized
> Crime.
>
>> Gambling is not a "product" of crime syndicates in the strict sense,
>> but rather organized crime can use or facilitate gambling to further
>> their goals, whatever they are.
>
> In the movie the Godfather, they play with the truth about in the part of
> the storyline in which Michael Corleone takes over the family and flies to
> Las Vegas to muscle in on Mo Green's (Bugsy Siegel) casino. Organized
> Crime was the major investor in both operations and when Green's casinos
> do not make enough money, he is killed off and Michael corleone makes a
> deal with Hollywood entertainers to perform a few times a year at the
> casinos to attract high rollers. That portrayed nexus between Hollywood
> Homosexuals and Organized Crime is real.
>
>>> However, most of it is.
>> If the truth of the conclusion is assumed by the premises, this is
>> Begging the Question. For example:
>> We know that God exists, since the Bible says God exists.
>> What the Bible says must be true, since God wrote it and
>> God never lies. (Here, we must agree that God exists in order
>> to believe that God wrote the Bible.)
>> Please forgive the religious allegory, but it does make the point.
>
> This sounds like a circular argument.
<headdesk> That's 'cause it's an example of a circular argument (more
specifically, a backwards argument), the one called "Begging the Question".
Argh.
>>> Again, the role of this BSG episode is to advertise these Organized
>>> Crime products. The fact that other small time individuals may also
>>> purvey these products is an irrelevant detail.
>> Details are relevant.
>> It is a Fallacy of Exclusion if important evidence which would undermine
>> an inductive argument is excluded from consideration. The requirement
>> that all relevant information be included is called the "principle of
>> total evidence".
>
> That is why I have included the small time operators and given them a
> specific weight in this evaluation.
Oh, you did? When? What happened, did you lose it in a time-travel accident?
>>> >> Prostitution is a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported
>>> >> Organized Crime.
>>> clip
>>> I did not state that all prostitution was Organized crime.
>> That is true again, you stated that it was a product of the same.
>> You seem to be representing "products of Organized Crime"
>> in the sense that Organized Crime "manufactures" prostitution
>> or gambling, etc. I would argue, again, that it merely facilitates
>> these activities.
>
> Organized Crime through their pimps control the presentation of
> prostitutes on the street and even over the Internet to customers for
> money and they siphon off some of the money received from payments by
> pimps. Organized Crime definitely presents this product for money to the
> public.
>
>>> >> The clear message is, if these two guys can pervert heterosexual sex
>>> >> to Bestiality in this way, what
>>> >> could possibly be so wrong with 2 men, like Apollo and Zerak, or
>>> >> Zerak and Meier, and Sodomy ?
>>> > Ignoring the fact that the statement preceding this one was false,
>>> > this is a classic example of the slippery slope.
>>> That statement and this one must be proven to be false, before this
>>> claim can be validated.
>> Begging the question... ibid.
>
> Which statement are you claiming was false ?
You're assuming the truth of your conclusion by the premise. This means that
you think you've proven your assertions simply by making them. Not so.
>>> >> The giggling fit of Starbuck in this scene conjured up the effects of
>>> >> drugs, even laughing gas.
>>> > In context, Starbuck's giggling is due to anoxia, a known symptom -
>>> > slothful induction.
>>> There is no perception within the viewing public that anoxia causes a
>>> giggling fit, even if this is true. And TV is all about playing to the
>>> viewers' perceptions, unless they take time to educate the viewers about
>>> this detail.
>> I clearly remember seeing the oxygen gauge dropping while the CO2 and the
>> nitrogen gauge remained
>> stationary. If that's not perception, I don't know what is.
>> It is my opinion that mass media "responds" to vewer perceptions in a
>> positive feedback cycle. For example, Jerry Springer -> increased ratings
>> -> Springer clones. Eventually, viewer perceptions changed, ergo no more
>> Springer (my opinion, of course).
>
> Drug abuse often leads to oxygen deprivation of the brain which is often
> directly related to the
> 'high' experienced. For instance, dopamine increase during cocaine usage
> can constrict blood vessels
> leading to this condition. Alcohol also has the effect of starving brain
> cells of oxygen.
>
> =====================================================
> http://www.oregoncounseling.org/ArticlesPapers/Documents/ETO HBIOFx.htm
>
> Blackouts, or loss of memory for a period during drinking, are a physical
> effect of alcohol on the brain. They occur as alcohol cuts off the supply
> of oxygen to the brain. Lack of oxygen supply to the brain can kill tens
> of thousands of brain cells every time a person becomes intoxicated.
> =====================================================
>
>>> >> You see, BSG Hollywood Homosexuals are telling us, selling illegal
>>> >> drugs has a good side...
>> Let me see if I understand...
>> The depiction of a "criminal activity" in mass media is equivalent to
>> approval of the same? Does "Law & Order" advocate homicide?
>> Now that and others like it are germane questions, but not necessarily
>> limited to BSG nor is it necessarily the product of "Hollywood
>> Homosexuals", which is still an anonymous authority error (e.g."The Man"
>> is out to get us.)
>
> There is a positive reinforcement in the portrayal of drug effects in this
> episode, which is what the
> giggling fit was meant to portray. Viewers likely would watch that scene
> and think that depriving their brain of oxygen, through cocaine or alcohol
> or other drug abuse is a fun thing to try.
Lots of people do it, and do seem to be having fun, strangely enough.
>>> > I have not seen reference in BSG to say that possessing alcohol is
>>> > illegal. Although one might assume that a still on a military vessel
>>> > is not allowed.
>>> Of course it is the clear implication on BSG that the manufacture and
>>> possession of alcohol is illegal. Why else would they be portraying the
>>> Chief manufacturing this substance in secret and being discovered by the
>>> XO Tigh.
>> I agree.
>> However, possession and manufacturing are not the same, e.g. Tigh.
>> BTW, "sodomy" is inclusive of any sexual activity that
>> is not "genital-genital" between a man and a woman.
>> This includes not only bestiality and homosexual anal sex,
>> but oral sex (hetero- or homosexual) as well as hetero anal sex.
>> ============================
>> Reason
>
> The BSG storyline is saying that defying the law and using drugs is both
> fun for Starbuck and a productive for the Colonies' fight against the
> Cylons, directly responsible for the stealth fighter. The term "sodomy"
> has a strict and non-strict connotation.
Well, your conspiracy theory has all kinds of ins and outs, doesn't it? All
of them begging the question, but that seems to be your metier. Anyway, I
think you may have a lock on at least one kook award.
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