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Fantasy » alt.fan.tolkien » Re: JRRT and CS Lewis
Re: JRRT and CS Lewis [message #141295] Fr, 30 September 2005 08:55
Odysseus  
Öjevind Lång wrote:
>
> Flame of the West wrote:
>
> >Öjevind Lång wrote:

<snip>
>
> >> Of course, it is true that there are
> >> different schools of thought inside Anglicanism. Unlike the Catholic
> >> Church, they tolerate dissenting opinions.
>
> > On *everything*. There have been openly atheistic
> > Anglican bishops (well, at least one). I would
> > not want the Catholic Church to be open-minded
> > about that "school of thought."
>
> If you mean Berkeley, he was not an atheist; he just declared that
> there were very definite limits to human understanding and knowledge.
> The vulgar misconception that he was an atheist is unfortunately very
> common.

I can't imagine anyone thinking Berkeley an atheist. Didn't he hold
that although nothing has objective existence outside a mind, what we
might call 'consensus reality' exists in the mind of God? Heterodox
perhaps, but scarcely atheistic!

--
Odysseus
Re: JRRT and CS Lewis [message #142306 ] Fr, 30 September 2005 16:51
ojevind.lang  
Odysseus wrote:

>I can't imagine anyone thinking Berkeley an atheist. Didn't he hold
that although nothing has objective existence outside a mind, what we
might call 'consensus reality' exists in the mind of God? Heterodox
perhaps, but scarcely atheistic!

Of course you are right, but even today one can find claims that
Berkeley was "an atheist". And recently, some pseudo-philosophers have
started to claim that David Hume (who, as you know, went one step
further than Berkeley) denied that there was such a thing as a human
self. Of course he did not. He simply thought that metaphysical
specualtion was meaningless because one always had to start by assuming
that something unprovable was a fact.
..
=D6jevind
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