| Re: Question Re Faramir's Mother [message #132080] |
Mo, 12 September 2005 20:59 |
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Emma Pease wrote:
>I suspect that most of the Dunedain by the end of the third age had
some elvish ancestry since the royal family had to have married out
and the descendants of daughters and younger sons would also have had
Luthien as an ancestor even if the actual lineage was lost in the
mists of time.
I agree, but Imrahil was a special case. His ancestors had returned to
Middle-earth and settled at Dol Amroth long before the Fall. However,
his ancestress was not an Elda but belonged to the Avari. She was one
of the Silvan Elves from Lothl=F3rien that went to Dol Amroth to take
ship from there to the Undying Lands, but instead she married Imrahil's
ancestor, the first Lord of Dol Amroth. A little of this is mentioned
in "Unfinished Tales" (the section called "The History of Galadriel and
Celeborn", and I can swear I have read more about the two (even giving
their names), but I can't recall where.
=D6jevind
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| Re: Question Re Faramir's Mother [message #132124 ] |
Di, 13 September 2005 05:33 |
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ojevind.lang [at] bredband.net wrote:
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> I agree, but Imrahil was a special case. His ancestors had returned to
> Middle-earth and settled at Dol Amroth long before the Fall. However,
> his ancestress was not an Elda but belonged to the Avari. She was one
> of the Silvan Elves from Lothl=F3rien that went to Dol Amroth to take
> ship from there to the Undying Lands, but instead she married Imrahil's
> ancestor, the first Lord of Dol Amroth. A little of this is mentioned
> in "Unfinished Tales" (the section called "The History of Galadriel and
> Celeborn", and I can swear I have read more about the two (even giving
> their names), but I can't recall where.
Mithrellas and Imrazor. Source: PoME ch. 7, "The Heirs of Elendil", at
the very end of the chapter ("The Line of Dol Amroth" and "The House of
Dol Amroth".
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| Re: Question Re Faramir's Mother [message #132146 ] |
Di, 13 September 2005 13:38 |
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Steve Morrison wrote:
ojevind.l... [at] bredband.net wrote:
>> I agree, but Imrahil was a special case. His ancestors had returned to
>> Middle-earth and settled at Dol Amroth long before the Fall. However,
>> his ancestress was not an Elda but belonged to the Avari. She was one
>> of the Silvan Elves from Lothl=F3rien that went to Dol Amroth to take
>> ship from there to the Undying Lands, but instead she married Imrahil's
>> ancestor, the first Lord of Dol Amroth. A little of this is mentioned
>> in "Unfinished Tales" (the section called "The History of Galadriel and
>> Celeborn", and I can swear I have read more about the two (even giving
>> their names), but I can't recall where.
>Mithrellas and Imrazor. Source: PoME ch. 7, "The Heirs of Elendil", at
the very end of the chapter ("The Line of Dol Amroth" and "The House of
Dol Amroth".
That's it! Thank you. I'll reread the story, which I believe I rather
liked.
=D6jevind
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| Re: Question Re Faramir's Mother [message #132211 ] |
Mi, 14 September 2005 13:04 |
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Steve Morrison wrote:
>ojevind.l... [at] bredband.net wrote:
>>> I agree, but Imrahil was a special case. His ancestors had returned to
>>> Middle-earth and settled at Dol Amroth long before the Fall. However,
>>> his ancestress was not an Elda but belonged to the Avari. She was one
>>> of the Silvan Elves from Lothl=F3rien that went to Dol Amroth to take
>>> ship from there to the Undying Lands, but instead she married Imrahil's
>>> ancestor, the first Lord of Dol Amroth. A little of this is mentioned
>>> in "Unfinished Tales" (the section called "The History of Galadriel and
>>> Celeborn", and I can swear I have read more about the two (even giving
>>> their names), but I can't recall where.
>>Mithrellas and Imrazor. Source: PoME ch. 7, "The Heirs of Elendil", at
>>the very end of the chapter ("The Line of Dol Amroth" and "The House of
>>Dol Amroth".
>That's it! Thank you. I'll reread the story, which I believe I rather
liked.
Well, not much of a stoiy - just a brief outline, which could have
become a story, as so much stuff Tolkien started or made notes of but
never followed up. Incidentally, I also found part of it copied into
UT.
=D6jevind
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| Re: Question Re Faramir's Mother [message #132251 ] |
Mi, 14 September 2005 23:56 |
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Öjevind Lång wrote:
> Steve Morrison wrote:
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> ojevind.l... [at] bredband.net wrote:
>
>
>>>I agree, but Imrahil was a special case. His ancestors had returned to
>>>Middle-earth and settled at Dol Amroth long before the Fall. However,
>>>his ancestress was not an Elda but belonged to the Avari. She was one
>>>of the Silvan Elves from Lothlórien that went to Dol Amroth to take
>>>ship from there to the Undying Lands, but instead she married Imrahil's
>>>ancestor, the first Lord of Dol Amroth. A little of this is mentioned
>>>in "Unfinished Tales" (the section called "The History of Galadriel and
>>>Celeborn", and I can swear I have read more about the two (even giving
>>>their names), but I can't recall where.
>
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>>Mithrellas and Imrazor. Source: PoME ch. 7, "The Heirs of Elendil", at
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> the very end of the chapter ("The Line of Dol Amroth" and "The House of
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> Dol Amroth".
>
> That's it! Thank you. I'll reread the story, which I believe I rather
> liked.
Thank you both! I have read neither UT nor POME, and needed a reason to
get into those works; this is fascinating. Will definitely turn to UT
next, and POME after that.
barb
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