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| gul dukat [message #111385] |
Fr, 19 August 2005 00:42 |
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Hi guys
I am just curently watching all of the DS9 episodes, right now on mid season
6.
I am just wondering why does everyone on DS9 hate gul dukat so much?
Also, does he ever get killed in any of the episodes?
Thanks
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| Re: gul dukat [message #111386 ] |
Fr, 19 August 2005 00:48 |
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"Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:f98Ne.245730$5V4.96807 [at] pd7tw3no...
> Hi guys
> I am just curently watching all of the DS9 episodes, right now on mid
season
> 6.
> I am just wondering why does everyone on DS9 hate gul dukat so much?
> Also, does he ever get killed in any of the episodes?
If I remember right he gets killed in season 6 and then gets killed every
other episode in season 7, except for the 3rd one.
--
Qa'pla
Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
"Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty
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| Re: gul dukat [message #111387 ] |
Fr, 19 August 2005 01:05 |
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Zarkovic wrote:
> Hi guys
> I am just curently watching all of the DS9 episodes, right now on mid season
> 6.
> I am just wondering why does everyone on DS9 hate gul dukat so much?
Possibly because he is mind-bogglingly evil?
> Also, does he ever get killed in any of the episodes?
Yes, in the last one.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and author, Daystrom Institute technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| Re: gul dukat [message #111393 ] |
Fr, 19 August 2005 03:17 |
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"Kweeg" <kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca> wrote in
news:Ae8Ne.245825$5V4.117280 [at] pd7tw3no:
> "Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:f98Ne.245730$5V4.96807 [at] pd7tw3no...
>> Hi guys
>> I am just curently watching all of the DS9 episodes, right now
>> on mid
> season
>> 6.
>> I am just wondering why does everyone on DS9 hate gul dukat so
>> much? Also, does he ever get killed in any of the episodes?
>
> If I remember right he gets killed in season 6 and then gets
> killed every other episode in season 7, except for the 3rd one.
You're thinking of Weyoun.
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| Re: gul dukat [message #111396 ] |
Fr, 19 August 2005 06:39 |
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| Re: gul dukat [message #111397 ] |
Fr, 19 August 2005 06:59 |
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I saw that his daughter got killed, that was pretty sad and I don't know, it
should not have been written that way, but I guess that's what makes DS9 a
show that everyone loves. I heard that he kills Dax, which just pisses me
off, I mean writters should not have done that shit. That's just fucking
stupid, but the acress that played Dax didn't want to do it anymore for
season 7. Anyhow, couldn't there been a petition or something to keep her on
the show, cauze I am sure she let down a lot of people by having Dax killed.
I remember in one episode where Dukat and Sisko got stuck in a cave, Sisko
concludes that Dukat is absolutly evil, which was a lil over the top cauze I
didn't see what the hell the big deal was. I mean Dukat was like I should
have killed all Bjorans, but he didn't so why is that "absolutly evil" At
times, DS9 had very shitty writting too.
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| Re: gul dukat [message #111398 ] |
Fr, 19 August 2005 07:15 |
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"Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:f98Ne.245730$5V4.96807 [at] pd7tw3no...
> Hi guys
> I am just curently watching all of the DS9 episodes, right now on mid
season
> 6.
> I am just wondering why does everyone on DS9 hate gul dukat so much?
> Also, does he ever get killed in any of the episodes?
> Thanks
>
>
How could anyone sleep with that skeevie cow Kai?
--
JK Sinrod
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
www.sinrodstudios.com
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories
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| Re: gul dukat [message #111402 ] |
Fr, 19 August 2005 07:55 |
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On
>I saw that his daughter got killed, that was pretty sad and I don't know, it
>should not have been written that way, but I guess that's what makes DS9 a
>show that everyone loves. I heard that he kills Dax, which just pisses me
>off, I mean writters should not have done that shit. That's just fucking
>stupid, but the acress that played Dax didn't want to do it anymore for
>season 7. Anyhow, couldn't there been a petition or something to keep her on
>the show, cauze I am sure she let down a lot of people by having Dax killed.
>I remember in one episode where Dukat and Sisko got stuck in a cave, Sisko
>concludes that Dukat is absolutly evil, which was a lil over the top cauze I
>didn't see what the hell the big deal was. I mean Dukat was like I should
>have killed all Bjorans, but he didn't so why is that "absolutly evil" At
>times, DS9 had very shitty writting too.
>
>
Dramatic stuff like this is part of what made DS9 so good.
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| Re: gul dukat [message #111404 ] |
Fr, 19 August 2005 09:08 |
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"Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:iHdNe.55288$vj.35354 [at] pd7tw1no...
> I heard that he kills Dax, which just pisses me off.
<nit picking mode>
Technically Dax survives through to the end (symbiont). Jadzia dies (host).
</nit picking mode>
:-)
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"Where did you get your clothes from? The toilet store?"
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| Re: gul dukat [message #111414 ] |
Fr, 19 August 2005 19:04 |
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"Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:iHdNe.55288$vj.35354 [at] pd7tw1no...
>I saw that his daughter got killed, that was pretty sad and I don't know,
>it
> should not have been written that way, but I guess that's what makes DS9 a
> show that everyone loves. I heard that he kills Dax, which just pisses me
> off, I mean writters should not have done that shit. That's just fucking
> stupid, but the acress that played Dax didn't want to do it anymore for
> season 7. Anyhow, couldn't there been a petition or something to keep her
> on
> the show, cauze I am sure she let down a lot of people by having Dax
> killed.
> I remember in one episode where Dukat and Sisko got stuck in a cave, Sisko
> concludes that Dukat is absolutly evil, which was a lil over the top cauze
> I
> didn't see what the hell the big deal was. I mean Dukat was like I should
> have killed all Bjorans, but he didn't so why is that "absolutly evil" At
> times, DS9 had very shitty writting too.
>
>
Yes but it made way for Ezri..... oooo baby!
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| Re: gul dukat [message #111415 ] |
Fr, 19 August 2005 19:05 |
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"Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:f98Ne.245730$5V4.96807 [at] pd7tw3no...
> Hi guys
> I am just curently watching all of the DS9 episodes, right now on mid
> season 6.
> I am just wondering why does everyone on DS9 hate gul dukat so much?
> Also, does he ever get killed in any of the episodes?
> Thanks
>
In the later seasons, doesn't he become a George Washington-esque
revolutionary?
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| Re: gul dukat [message #111416 ] |
Fr, 19 August 2005 19:26 |
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"Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
news:eu8Ne.7323$CF.49788 [at] news-1.opaltelecom.net...
> Zarkovic wrote:
>> Hi guys
>> I am just curently watching all of the DS9 episodes, right now on mid
>> season 6.
>> I am just wondering why does everyone on DS9 hate gul dukat so much?
>
> Possibly because he is mind-bogglingly evil?
>
>> Also, does he ever get killed in any of the episodes?
>
> Yes, in the last one.
>
> --
>
> Graham Kennedy
> Creator and author, Daystrom Institute technical Library
> http://www.ditl.org
Actually, he doesn't die, but is consigned to spend eternity with the Pah
Wraiths. I don't know if this is explicitly stated, but I do remember one
of the show's producers (possibly Ron Moore) stating this. The idea was
that he could potentially be brought back as a nemesis if there were to ever
be a DS9 movie. It also karmically balances Sisko going to be with the
Prophets.
As to why everyone hates him.....duh, he ran DS9 when it was Terok Nor, the
Cardassian prison labor facility during the Bajoran Occupation. He was
responsible for the deaths of countless Bajorans. Reason enough.....
Cody k
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| Re: gul dukat [message #111417 ] |
Fr, 19 August 2005 20:06 |
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"Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:iHdNe.55288$vj.35354 [at] pd7tw1no...
>I saw that his daughter got killed, that was pretty sad and I don't know,
>it
> should not have been written that way, but I guess that's what makes DS9 a
> show that everyone loves. I heard that he kills Dax, which just pisses me
> off, I mean writters should not have done that shit. That's just fucking
> stupid, but the acress that played Dax didn't want to do it anymore for
> season 7. Anyhow, couldn't there been a petition or something to keep her
> on
> the show, cauze I am sure she let down a lot of people by having Dax
> killed.
> I remember in one episode where Dukat and Sisko got stuck in a cave, Sisko
> concludes that Dukat is absolutly evil, which was a lil over the top cauze
> I
> didn't see what the hell the big deal was. I mean Dukat was like I should
> have killed all Bjorans, but he didn't so why is that "absolutly evil" At
> times, DS9 had very shitty writting too.
>
>
No, you have shitty writing. DS9 was one of the most layered and intricate
shows in sci-fi, and arguably all of TV, history. You obviously missed the
fact that the show operated as an integrated whole, and that many things,
including the death of Jadzia and the absolute evil of Dukat, were threads
in a very large tapestry.
Cody k
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| Re: gul dukat [message #111419 ] |
Fr, 19 August 2005 20:10 |
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"6ULDV8" <getit [at] sounditout.com> wrote in message
news:OjoNe.133$_7.122 [at] fe08.lga...
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> "Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:f98Ne.245730$5V4.96807 [at] pd7tw3no...
>> Hi guys
>> I am just curently watching all of the DS9 episodes, right now on mid
>> season 6.
>> I am just wondering why does everyone on DS9 hate gul dukat so much?
>> Also, does he ever get killed in any of the episodes?
>> Thanks
>>
>
> In the later seasons, doesn't he become a George Washington-esque
> revolutionary?
>
Um, no. In one episode, he portrayed himself as a spiritual leader modeled
after Jim Jones, but never a character of any sort of honor.
Cody k
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| Re: gul dukat [message #111420 ] |
Fr, 19 August 2005 20:16 |
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"Cody k" <codykg [at] earth.not.mars.link.net> wrote in message
news:ccpNe.30802$576.18364 [at] fe02.news.easynews.com...
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> "Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:iHdNe.55288$vj.35354 [at] pd7tw1no...
>>I saw that his daughter got killed, that was pretty sad and I don't know,
>>it
>> should not have been written that way, but I guess that's what makes DS9
>> a
>> show that everyone loves. I heard that he kills Dax, which just pisses me
>> off, I mean writters should not have done that shit. That's just fucking
>> stupid, but the acress that played Dax didn't want to do it anymore for
>> season 7. Anyhow, couldn't there been a petition or something to keep her
>> on
>> the show, cauze I am sure she let down a lot of people by having Dax
>> killed.
>> I remember in one episode where Dukat and Sisko got stuck in a cave,
>> Sisko
>> concludes that Dukat is absolutly evil, which was a lil over the top
>> cauze I
>> didn't see what the hell the big deal was. I mean Dukat was like I should
>> have killed all Bjorans, but he didn't so why is that "absolutly evil" At
>> times, DS9 had very shitty writting too.
>>
>>
>
> No, you have shitty writing. DS9 was one of the most layered and
> intricate shows in sci-fi, and arguably all of TV, history. You obviously
> missed the fact that the show operated as an integrated whole, and that
> many things, including the death of Jadzia and the absolute evil of Dukat,
> were threads in a very large tapestry.
>
> Cody k
I once read that the major political conflicts in DS9 (cardassia/bajor, etc)
were based on world history. I think there was an analogy to WWII or
something. Does anyone else remember hearing this?
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| Re: gul dukat [message #111424 ] |
Sa, 20 August 2005 00:56 |
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Cody guy, come down it was a tv show afterall. I just asked about gul dukat
and if you agree that hours of Bjoran dumb prophets and Kira's whining and
bitching about them was "super great writing" compared to the rest of the
DS9, then you are something else. And again, "absolute evil of Dukat", oh
please.
"Cody k" <codykg [at] earth.not.mars.link.net> wrote in message
news:ccpNe.30802$576.18364 [at] fe02.news.easynews.com...
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> "Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:iHdNe.55288$vj.35354 [at] pd7tw1no...
>>I saw that his daughter got killed, that was pretty sad and I don't know,
>>it
>> should not have been written that way, but I guess that's what makes DS9
>> a
>> show that everyone loves. I heard that he kills Dax, which just pisses me
>> off, I mean writters should not have done that shit. That's just fucking
>> stupid, but the acress that played Dax didn't want to do it anymore for
>> season 7. Anyhow, couldn't there been a petition or something to keep her
>> on
>> the show, cauze I am sure she let down a lot of people by having Dax
>> killed.
>> I remember in one episode where Dukat and Sisko got stuck in a cave,
>> Sisko
>> concludes that Dukat is absolutly evil, which was a lil over the top
>> cauze I
>> didn't see what the hell the big deal was. I mean Dukat was like I should
>> have killed all Bjorans, but he didn't so why is that "absolutly evil" At
>> times, DS9 had very shitty writting too.
>>
>>
>
> No, you have shitty writing. DS9 was one of the most layered and
> intricate shows in sci-fi, and arguably all of TV, history. You obviously
> missed the fact that the show operated as an integrated whole, and that
> many things, including the death of Jadzia and the absolute evil of Dukat,
> were threads in a very large tapestry.
>
> Cody k
>
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| Re: gul dukat [message #111430 ] |
Sa, 20 August 2005 11:28 |
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"V. Equinox" <vequinox [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:XqaNe.685$ll3.19016 [at] twister.southeast.rr.com...
> "Kweeg" <kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca> wrote in
> news:Ae8Ne.245825$5V4.117280 [at] pd7tw3no:
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>> "Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:f98Ne.245730$5V4.96807 [at] pd7tw3no...
>>> Hi guys
>>> I am just curently watching all of the DS9 episodes, right now
>>> on mid
>> season
>>> 6.
>>> I am just wondering why does everyone on DS9 hate gul dukat so
>>> much? Also, does he ever get killed in any of the episodes?
>>
>> If I remember right he gets killed in season 6 and then gets
>> killed every other episode in season 7, except for the 3rd one.
>
> You're thinking of Weyoun.
You mean "Weyoun's Clone(s)"....?
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| Re: gul dukat [message #111431 ] |
Sa, 20 August 2005 11:26 |
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in the finale, season 7.
but if you haven't yet seen it I don't want to spoil the suprise.
"Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:f98Ne.245730$5V4.96807 [at] pd7tw3no...
> Hi guys
> I am just curently watching all of the DS9 episodes, right now on mid
> season 6.
> I am just wondering why does everyone on DS9 hate gul dukat so much?
> Also, does he ever get killed in any of the episodes?
> Thanks
>
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| Re: gul dukat [message #111432 ] |
Sa, 20 August 2005 11:33 |
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Kira hates Dukat with good reason ; her people were at war with the
Cardassians for years.
That's Star Trek for you. Cardassians were the bad guys. and you have to
dislike the bad guys, don't you (goes for any TV show).
"Glassman" <jksinrod [at] aol.com> wrote in message
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> "Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:f98Ne.245730$5V4.96807 [at] pd7tw3no...
>> Hi guys
>> I am just curently watching all of the DS9 episodes, right now on mid
> season
>> 6.
>> I am just wondering why does everyone on DS9 hate gul dukat so much?
>> Also, does he ever get killed in any of the episodes?
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>
> How could anyone sleep with that skeevie cow Kai?
>
> --
> JK Sinrod
> Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
> www.sinrodstudios.com
> Coney Island Memories
> www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories
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| Re: gul dukat [message #111433 ] |
Sa, 20 August 2005 12:21 |
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"V. Equinox" <vequinox [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:XqaNe.685$ll3.19016 [at] twister.southeast.rr.com...
> "Kweeg" <kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca> wrote in
> news:Ae8Ne.245825$5V4.117280 [at] pd7tw3no:
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> > "Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > news:f98Ne.245730$5V4.96807 [at] pd7tw3no...
> >> Hi guys
> >> I am just curently watching all of the DS9 episodes, right now
> >> on mid
> > season
> >> 6.
> >> I am just wondering why does everyone on DS9 hate gul dukat so
> >> much? Also, does he ever get killed in any of the episodes?
> >
> > If I remember right he gets killed in season 6 and then gets
> > killed every other episode in season 7, except for the 3rd one.
>
> You're thinking of Weyoun.
No I was answering the "I've I am just currently watching all of the DS9
episodes, right now on *mid season 6*.....does he (Gul Dukat) ever get
killed in any of the episodes" question with all the attention it deserves.
--
Qa'pla
Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
"Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty
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| Re: gul dukat [message #111438 ] |
Sa, 20 August 2005 16:12 |
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6ULDV8 wrote:
> "Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:f98Ne.245730$5V4.96807 [at] pd7tw3no...
>> Hi guys
>> I am just curently watching all of the DS9 episodes, right now on mid
>> season 6.
>> I am just wondering why does everyone on DS9 hate gul dukat so much?
>> Also, does he ever get killed in any of the episodes?
>> Thanks
>>
>
> In the later seasons, doesn't he become a George Washington-esque
> revolutionary?
No, that would be Damar, the man who murdered his daughter.
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| Re: gul dukat [message #111440 ] |
Sa, 20 August 2005 20:16 |
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"Andrew Murray" <Noadmurray [at] SPAMiinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> Kira hates Dukat with good reason ; her people were at war with the
> Cardassians for years.
>
> That's Star Trek for you. Cardassians were the bad guys. and you have to
> dislike the bad guys, don't you (goes for any TV show).
What about the taylor and Bashir's friend, Garek is also a cardasian, but
people don't hate him nearly as much.
>
>
>
>
> "Glassman" <jksinrod [at] aol.com> wrote in message
> news:0VdNe.145$b96.124 [at] fe12.lga...
>>
>> "Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:f98Ne.245730$5V4.96807 [at] pd7tw3no...
>>> Hi guys
>>> I am just curently watching all of the DS9 episodes, right now on mid
>> season
>>> 6.
>>> I am just wondering why does everyone on DS9 hate gul dukat so much?
>>> Also, does he ever get killed in any of the episodes?
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>
>> How could anyone sleep with that skeevie cow Kai?
>>
>> --
>> JK Sinrod
>> Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
>> www.sinrodstudios.com
>> Coney Island Memories
>> www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories
>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: gul dukat [message #111442 ] |
Sa, 20 August 2005 21:38 |
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"Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:UrKNe.71428$vj.8312 [at] pd7tw1no...
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> "Andrew Murray" <Noadmurray [at] SPAMiinet.net.au> wrote in message
> news:4306f8fa$0$21031$5a62ac22 [at] per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> > Kira hates Dukat with good reason ; her people were at war with the
> > Cardassians for years.
> >
> > That's Star Trek for you. Cardassians were the bad guys. and you have
to
> > dislike the bad guys, don't you (goes for any TV show).
>
> What about the taylor and Bashir's friend, Garek is also a cardasian, but
> people don't hate him nearly as much.
Did you actually *watch* the show?
--
Qa'pla
Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
"Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty
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| Re: gul dukat [message #111443 ] |
So, 21 August 2005 00:19 |
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No, I had it all in a Bjoran vision man.
"Kweeg" <kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> "Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:UrKNe.71428$vj.8312 [at] pd7tw1no...
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>> "Andrew Murray" <Noadmurray [at] SPAMiinet.net.au> wrote in message
>> news:4306f8fa$0$21031$5a62ac22 [at] per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> > Kira hates Dukat with good reason ; her people were at war with the
>> > Cardassians for years.
>> >
>> > That's Star Trek for you. Cardassians were the bad guys. and you have
> to
>> > dislike the bad guys, don't you (goes for any TV show).
>>
>> What about the taylor and Bashir's friend, Garek is also a cardasian, but
>> people don't hate him nearly as much.
>
>
> Did you actually *watch* the show?
>
> --
>
> Qa'pla
> Kweeg
> Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
> http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
> "Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty
>
>
>
>
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| Re: gul dukat [message #111444 ] |
So, 21 August 2005 00:32 |
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But seriously, don't you agree that Garek the cardassian was more helpful to
the federation vs. cardassia? Simple question and so far what I have seen
from the DS9, he was was rather a good cardassian from Starfleet's point of
view, helping the federation, Sisko and even dukat's daughter.
"Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> No, I had it all in a Bjoran vision man.
> "Kweeg" <kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:RELNe.272187$s54.80213 [at] pd7tw2no...
>> "Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:UrKNe.71428$vj.8312 [at] pd7tw1no...
>>>
>>> "Andrew Murray" <Noadmurray [at] SPAMiinet.net.au> wrote in message
>>> news:4306f8fa$0$21031$5a62ac22 [at] per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>> > Kira hates Dukat with good reason ; her people were at war with the
>>> > Cardassians for years.
>>> >
>>> > That's Star Trek for you. Cardassians were the bad guys. and you have
>> to
>>> > dislike the bad guys, don't you (goes for any TV show).
>>>
>>> What about the taylor and Bashir's friend, Garek is also a cardasian,
>>> but
>>> people don't hate him nearly as much.
>>
>>
>> Did you actually *watch* the show?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Qa'pla
>> Kweeg
>> Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
>> http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
>> "Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty
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| Re: gul dukat [message #111445 ] |
So, 21 August 2005 00:57 |
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"Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:50ONe.73416$vj.71990 [at] pd7tw1no...
> >> > That's Star Trek for you. Cardassians were the bad guys. and you
have
> > to
> >> > dislike the bad guys, don't you (goes for any TV show).
> >>
> >> What about the taylor and Bashir's friend, Garek is also a cardasian,
but
> >> people don't hate him nearly as much.
> >
> >
> > Did you actually *watch* the show?
> >
> No, I had it all in a Bjoran vision man.
Thought so.
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Qa'pla
Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
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| Re: gul dukat [message #111446 ] |
So, 21 August 2005 01:03 |
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"Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> >>> > Kira hates Dukat with good reason ; her people were at war with the
> >>> > Cardassians for years.
> >>> >
> >>> > That's Star Trek for you. Cardassians were the bad guys. and you
have
> >> to
> >>> > dislike the bad guys, don't you (goes for any TV show).
> >>>
> >>> What about the taylor and Bashir's friend, Garek is also a cardasian,
> >>> but
> >>> people don't hate him nearly as much.
> >>
> >>
> >> Did you actually *watch* the show?
> >>
> But seriously, don't you agree that Garek the cardassian was more helpful
to
> the federation vs. cardassia? Simple question and so far what I have seen
> from the DS9, he was was rather a good cardassian from Starfleet's point
of
> view, helping the federation, Sisko and even dukat's daughter.
>
It not that hard, Garek is a Cardassian that has been exiled from Cardassia
living in the Federation, thus it was not to his advantage to work against
the Federation and Bajor. Much like early American history, an Englishman
living in the colonies after the revolution would hardly be a Loyalist and
if he was it would not be to his advantage to advertise the fact.
--
Qa'pla
Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
"Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty
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| Re: gul dukat [message #115546 ] |
Mo, 22 August 2005 15:48 |
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"Andrew Murray" <Noadmurray [at] SPAMiinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> in the finale, season 7.
> but if you haven't yet seen it I don't want to spoil the suprise.
>
> "Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:f98Ne.245730$5V4.96807 [at] pd7tw3no...
>> Hi guys
>> I am just curently watching all of the DS9 episodes, right now on mid
>> season 6.
>> I am just wondering why does everyone on DS9 hate gul dukat so much?
>> Also, does he ever get killed in any of the episodes?
>> Thanks
>>
I hope the next Star Trek has shields that hold.
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| Re: gul dukat [message #115552 ] |
Di, 23 August 2005 04:24 |
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"Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:f98Ne.245730$5V4.96807 [at] pd7tw3no...
> Hi guys
> I am just curently watching all of the DS9 episodes, right now on mid
> season 6.
> I am just wondering why does everyone on DS9 hate gul dukat so much?
> Also, does he ever get killed in any of the episodes?
Keep watching...
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These ain't Mentos... but they'll freshen your breath!
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| Dax died [message #117071 ] |
Do, 25 August 2005 04:06 |
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Well, I just saw the season 6 final episode, tears of the prophets, where
Dax died.
The dead was pretty shallow and unexplained, sort of like Lt. Yar's death in
TNG, except I actually liked Dax a lot more.
Just before that in the episode "her voice" I saw the DS9 crew spend 5
minutes, everyone from Bashir to O'brien talk about some woman they never
knew, paid her respects, yet no one said anything about Dax, not even for a
second. Fucking dissapointing, the writers should have cut one of the battle
scence instead, but no, they didn't. You'd expect the producers to have a
scene about mourning and so forth for a staff member who worked with them
for 6 years, but no, very shallow. And Sisko, wow, his little 2 minute
monologue was quite pointless as well, when he could have spent those two
mins praising and remembering a great crewman and friend, he instead had to
tell us prolongly that he has to leave and bring the stupid prophets back.
Seriously, you'd expect the prophets to be able to put some ultra super
great force field to protect themselves, after being able to create worm
holes and exist as some sort of energy enteties.
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| Re: Dax died [message #117072 ] |
Do, 25 August 2005 07:07 |
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"Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:AI9Pe.11662$Hk.2963 [at] pd7tw1no...
> Well, I just saw the season 6 final episode, tears of the prophets, where
> Dax died.
Ted Danson made her a better offer...
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| Re: Dax died [message #117073 ] |
Do, 25 August 2005 12:10 |
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"dwåcôñ" <methane [at] natural.gas> wrote in message
news:RlcPe.210$Zp.81 [at] lakeread04...
>
> "Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:AI9Pe.11662$Hk.2963 [at] pd7tw1no...
>
> > Well, I just saw the season 6 final episode, tears of the prophets,
where
> > Dax died.
>
>
> Ted Danson made her a better offer...
.......wasn't that Saavik? {{;-/>
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Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
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| Re: Dax died [message #117084 ] |
Fr, 26 August 2005 02:58 |
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"Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in
news:AI9Pe.11662$Hk.2963 [at] pd7tw1no:
> Well, I just saw the season 6 final episode, tears of the
> prophets, where Dax died.
> The dead was pretty shallow and unexplained, sort of like Lt.
> Yar's death in TNG, except I actually liked Dax a lot more.
> Just before that in the episode "her voice" I saw the DS9 crew
> spend 5 minutes, everyone from Bashir to O'brien talk about
> some woman they never knew, paid her respects, yet no one said
> anything about Dax, not even for a second. Fucking
> dissapointing, the writers should have cut one of the battle
> scence instead, but no, they didn't. You'd expect the
> producers to have a scene about mourning and so forth for a
> staff member who worked with them for 6 years, but no, very
> shallow. And Sisko, wow, his little 2 minute monologue was
> quite pointless as well, when he could have spent those two
> mins praising and remembering a great crewman and friend, he
> instead had to tell us prolongly that he has to leave and
> bring the stupid prophets back. Seriously, you'd expect the
> prophets to be able to put some ultra super great force field
> to protect themselves, after being able to create worm holes
> and exist as some sort of energy enteties.
>
If the writers had gotten some more notice that Terry Farrell
was leaving the show they probably could have written her a more
heroic death and focused more on it than they did. But as it
was they had already planned out the season ender and had to
find some way to fit her death into it, and they had to do it in
a way in which the symbiont would still survive. Considering
the circumstances I think they did a pretty decent job.
And not to give away anything, but they do deal with the
reprecussions of her death quite a bit in the 7th season.
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| Re: Dax died [message #117086 ] |
Fr, 26 August 2005 06:37 |
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"Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:AI9Pe.11662$Hk.2963 [at] pd7tw1no...
> Well, I just saw the season 6 final episode, tears of the prophets, where
> Dax died.
> The dead was pretty shallow and unexplained, sort of like Lt. Yar's death
in
> TNG, except I actually liked Dax a lot more.
> Just before that in the episode "her voice" I saw the DS9 crew spend 5
> minutes, everyone from Bashir to O'brien talk about some woman they never
How dare you not love the way Yar's death was handled! It had us all in
tears and shock when we first saw it. It was done incedibly well. As for
Dax.... I think the writers punished us all because she didn't sign on
again. If you see any of the flashback retrosectives after she left, she's
hardly in the picture.
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JK Sinrod
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
www.sinrodstudios.com
Coney Island Memories
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| Re: Dax died [message #118594 ] |
Fr, 26 August 2005 20:05 |
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"Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:AI9Pe.11662$Hk.2963 [at] pd7tw1no...
> Well, I just saw the season 6 final episode, tears of the prophets, where
> Dax died.
> The dead was pretty shallow and unexplained, sort of like Lt. Yar's death
> in TNG, except I actually liked Dax a lot more.
> Just before that in the episode "her voice" I saw the DS9 crew spend 5
> minutes, everyone from Bashir to O'brien talk about some woman they never
> knew, paid her respects, yet no one said anything about Dax, not even for
> a second. Fucking dissapointing, the writers should have cut one of the
> battle scence instead, but no, they didn't. You'd expect the producers to
> have a scene about mourning and so forth for a staff member who worked
> with them for 6 years, but no, very shallow. And Sisko, wow, his little 2
> minute monologue was quite pointless as well, when he could have spent
> those two mins praising and remembering a great crewman and friend, he
> instead had to tell us prolongly that he has to leave and bring the stupid
> prophets back. Seriously, you'd expect the prophets to be able to put some
> ultra super great force field to protect themselves, after being able to
> create worm holes and exist as some sort of energy enteties.
Dax didn't die, it just shed the useless husk of a host that was carrying
it.
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| Re: gul dukat [message #125136 ] |
Fr, 02 September 2005 16:04 |
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OK, agreed, Garak is fine - I liked him as a character....and Quark as
well - even though he's a villain - a likeable villain --, and not really
like the other Ferengi in TNG for instance.
Quark, Rom and Nog are OK.....
But Dukat - pure evil and that's without the Pah-Wraith's influence.
Evil by name and by nature.
"Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:UrKNe.71428$vj.8312 [at] pd7tw1no...
>
> "Andrew Murray" <Noadmurray [at] SPAMiinet.net.au> wrote in message
> news:4306f8fa$0$21031$5a62ac22 [at] per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> Kira hates Dukat with good reason ; her people were at war with the
>> Cardassians for years.
>>
>> That's Star Trek for you. Cardassians were the bad guys. and you have to
>> dislike the bad guys, don't you (goes for any TV show).
>
> What about the taylor and Bashir's friend, Garek is also a cardasian, but
> people don't hate him nearly as much.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Glassman" <jksinrod [at] aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:0VdNe.145$b96.124 [at] fe12.lga...
>>>
>>> "Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:f98Ne.245730$5V4.96807 [at] pd7tw3no...
>>>> Hi guys
>>>> I am just curently watching all of the DS9 episodes, right now on mid
>>> season
>>>> 6.
>>>> I am just wondering why does everyone on DS9 hate gul dukat so much?
>>>> Also, does he ever get killed in any of the episodes?
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> How could anyone sleep with that skeevie cow Kai?
>>>
>>> --
>>> JK Sinrod
>>> Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
>>> www.sinrodstudios.com
>>> Coney Island Memories
>>> www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: gul dukat [message #125144 ] |
Sa, 03 September 2005 06:43 |
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Some nit picking here: but pure 100% evil? Don't tell me that he didn't show
any compassion towards his daughter. After all, if he was pure evil, he
would have killed her when he found her, whether or not Kira was there. To
me, yes he is a pretty bad guy, but not the most evil character ever. Could
have killed Sisko too when their shuttle went down and Sisko was unconsious.
What about the founders, seriously I was just thinking about it, and they
are really freaking evil. P.S. Almost finished watching season 7. You guys
were right, the show is not so simple, I have to say I loved the whole
concept of a stationary space station where the action mostly unfolds, and
continually too.
"Andrew Murray" <Noadmurray [at] SPAMiinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:43185be2$0$475$5a62ac22 [at] per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> OK, agreed, Garak is fine - I liked him as a character....and Quark as
> well - even though he's a villain - a likeable villain --, and not really
> like the other Ferengi in TNG for instance.
>
> Quark, Rom and Nog are OK.....
>
> But Dukat - pure evil and that's without the Pah-Wraith's influence.
>
> Evil by name and by nature.
>
>
>
> "Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:UrKNe.71428$vj.8312 [at] pd7tw1no...
>>
>> "Andrew Murray" <Noadmurray [at] SPAMiinet.net.au> wrote in message
>> news:4306f8fa$0$21031$5a62ac22 [at] per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>> Kira hates Dukat with good reason ; her people were at war with the
>>> Cardassians for years.
>>>
>>> That's Star Trek for you. Cardassians were the bad guys. and you have
>>> to dislike the bad guys, don't you (goes for any TV show).
>>
>> What about the taylor and Bashir's friend, Garek is also a cardasian, but
>> people don't hate him nearly as much.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Glassman" <jksinrod [at] aol.com> wrote in message
>>> news:0VdNe.145$b96.124 [at] fe12.lga...
>>>>
>>>> "Zarkovic" <zarkovic [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:f98Ne.245730$5V4.96807 [at] pd7tw3no...
>>>>> Hi guys
>>>>> I am just curently watching all of the DS9 episodes, right now on mid
>>>> season
>>>>> 6.
>>>>> I am just wondering why does everyone on DS9 hate gul dukat so much?
>>>>> Also, does he ever get killed in any of the episodes?
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How could anyone sleep with that skeevie cow Kai?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> JK Sinrod
>>>> Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
>>>> www.sinrodstudios.com
>>>> Coney Island Memories
>>>> www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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