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Science Fiction » alt.fan.starwars » The Droids
| The Droids [message #42858] |
Mo, 23 Mai 2005 20:19 |
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Ok,
I have not been following this but I am puzzled. In SW CH 4 when the droids
abandoned the ship and land on Tattotine it was portrayed that they never
were there in the first place. Yet since CH 1 it was established that Anakin
made C3P0. I am very confused. Is that a huge plot problem / inconsistency?
Also, when Luke and R2D2 meet Ben in CH 4 Ben looks at R2D2 and doesnt
recognize the droid and makes the comment "I do not recall owning a droid."
?????
As much as I love Star Wars and the movie I have a hard time defending this
obvious plot conflict or am I missing something?
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| Re: The Droids [message #42860 ] |
Mo, 23 Mai 2005 20:48 |
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"Wizard Master" <wizardmaster [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Pkpke.7289$lQ3.5006 [at] bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> Ok,
>
> I have not been following this but I am puzzled. In SW CH 4 when the
droids
> abandoned the ship and land on Tattotine it was portrayed that they never
> were there in the first place. Yet since CH 1 it was established that
Anakin
> made C3P0. I am very confused. Is that a huge plot problem /
inconsistency?
>
> Also, when Luke and R2D2 meet Ben in CH 4 Ben looks at R2D2 and doesnt
> recognize the droid and makes the comment "I do not recall owning a
droid."
>
> ?????
>
> As much as I love Star Wars and the movie I have a hard time defending
this
> obvious plot conflict or am I missing something?
At the end of Epi 3 we learn that C3POs memoery was too be erased.
As for R2, Ben never actually owns him, and I can count on three fingers the
number of scenes he actually shared with R2 in the movies. It also seems
likely that after 20 years in the desert Ben doesn't recognize R2.
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| Re: The Droids [message #42869 ] |
Mo, 23 Mai 2005 21:16 |
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Ben does give this odd look when he sees R2D2, as if he was thinking "after
all these years, he actually found me". Also, he does seem to be able to
get R2D2 to play Leia's message pretty quickly, almost as if he knows how to
operate the droid.
"Eric Nichols" <sugarbearnichols [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dApke.534$3D6.267 [at] newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
>
> "Wizard Master" <wizardmaster [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Pkpke.7289$lQ3.5006 [at] bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>> Ok,
>>
>> I have not been following this but I am puzzled. In SW CH 4 when the
> droids
>> abandoned the ship and land on Tattotine it was portrayed that they never
>> were there in the first place. Yet since CH 1 it was established that
> Anakin
>> made C3P0. I am very confused. Is that a huge plot problem /
> inconsistency?
>>
>> Also, when Luke and R2D2 meet Ben in CH 4 Ben looks at R2D2 and doesnt
>> recognize the droid and makes the comment "I do not recall owning a
> droid."
>>
>> ?????
>>
>> As much as I love Star Wars and the movie I have a hard time defending
> this
>> obvious plot conflict or am I missing something?
>
> At the end of Epi 3 we learn that C3POs memoery was too be erased.
> As for R2, Ben never actually owns him, and I can count on three fingers
> the
> number of scenes he actually shared with R2 in the movies. It also seems
> likely that after 20 years in the desert Ben doesn't recognize R2.
>
>
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| Re: The Droids [message #43009 ] |
Di, 24 Mai 2005 01:24 |
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If you have seen Episode III you will know that Bail Organa ordered Captain
Antilles to wipe Threepio's memory; therefore Threepio knows nothing about
Tatooine or past events when Episode IV arrives - as far as Threepio's
concerned, his last master was Captain Antilles and his first assignment was
programming binary load lifters - not created on tatooine by a boy-come
jedi-come sith lord - which his mother completed and put to work on the very
moisture farm they end up at AGAIN.
They left Artoo's memory intact in preparation for the time they might need
it/him to help them....they couldn't have foreseen Vader attacking Tantive
IV - Leia was intending to meet Obiwan in person to take him back to
Alderaan. Sending the droids to find Obiwan was a desparate last minute
move on her part.
She sent the droids to Tatooine to find Obiwan and request his assistance.
Being caught by the Jawas....and sold to Owen Lars was all "coincidence"
(but call it "destiny" if you want to).....they could have ended up
anywhere....or Artoo could have found Obi-wan without the interaction from
the Lars family at all...but then there'd be no connection with Luke and so
forth, to connect the prequels.
Originally Leia was coming to Tatooine personally to talk with Obiwan to ask
for his help on behalf of Bail Organa her "father". But her ship was
attacked, and as it says in the hologram message "My mission to bring you to
Alderaan personally has failed....".
Therefore Artoo knows full well where they are and the history of events in
the past, and Threepio is clueless.
That's why Threepio is so pissed off at Artoo for blathering on about
"Obiwan" and "his mission" because he's been left in the dark about the
whole thing.
I believe the look Ben give R2 indicates recognition, and recollection of
the past.....he just doesn't let on in front of Luke right there and then.
He just *says* he doesn't remember owning a droid...because he never
actually *owned* R2D2. (One of those "point of view" things I expect).
After all he told Bail Organa (according to ROTJ and the novels) to tell
Leia to contact Obi-wan on Tatooine if they needed help....but he was
obviously not expecting the astromech droid that used to fly his padawan's
(Anakin's) ship to show up 20 years later with a message saying "Help me
Obi-wan Kenobi, you're my only hope".
"Wizard Master" <wizardmaster [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Pkpke.7289$lQ3.5006 [at] bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> Ok,
>
> I have not been following this but I am puzzled. In SW CH 4 when the
> droids
> abandoned the ship and land on Tattotine it was portrayed that they never
> were there in the first place. Yet since CH 1 it was established that
> Anakin
> made C3P0. I am very confused. Is that a huge plot problem /
> inconsistency?
>
> Also, when Luke and R2D2 meet Ben in CH 4 Ben looks at R2D2 and doesnt
> recognize the droid and makes the comment "I do not recall owning a
> droid."
>
> ?????
>
> As much as I love Star Wars and the movie I have a hard time defending
> this
> obvious plot conflict or am I missing something?
>
>
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| Re: The Droids [message #43014 ] |
Di, 24 Mai 2005 01:26 |
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True...but I'd say that now Artoo had found the intended recipient of the
message - Obiwan - he willingly played the whole thing.
"GED Education" <Spam.spam [at] spam.com> wrote in message
news:7MidnX-1Nc9mtg_fRVn-rA [at] rogers.com...
> Ben does give this odd look when he sees R2D2, as if he was thinking
> "after all these years, he actually found me". Also, he does seem to be
> able to get R2D2 to play Leia's message pretty quickly, almost as if he
> knows how to operate the droid.
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> "Eric Nichols" <sugarbearnichols [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:dApke.534$3D6.267 [at] newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
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>> "Wizard Master" <wizardmaster [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Pkpke.7289$lQ3.5006 [at] bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>> Ok,
>>>
>>> I have not been following this but I am puzzled. In SW CH 4 when the
>> droids
>>> abandoned the ship and land on Tattotine it was portrayed that they
>>> never
>>> were there in the first place. Yet since CH 1 it was established that
>> Anakin
>>> made C3P0. I am very confused. Is that a huge plot problem /
>> inconsistency?
>>>
>>> Also, when Luke and R2D2 meet Ben in CH 4 Ben looks at R2D2 and doesnt
>>> recognize the droid and makes the comment "I do not recall owning a
>> droid."
>>>
>>> ?????
>>>
>>> As much as I love Star Wars and the movie I have a hard time defending
>> this
>>> obvious plot conflict or am I missing something?
>>
>> At the end of Epi 3 we learn that C3POs memoery was too be erased.
>> As for R2, Ben never actually owns him, and I can count on three fingers
>> the
>> number of scenes he actually shared with R2 in the movies. It also seems
>> likely that after 20 years in the desert Ben doesn't recognize R2.
>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: The Droids [message #43038 ] |
Di, 24 Mai 2005 02:38 |
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Andrew Murray wrote:
> They left Artoo's memory intact in preparation for the time they might
> need it/him to help them....
An added bonus is that, with his memory intact, R2-D2 can actually
recognise who Obi-Wan Kenobi is when he sees him.
Why he still fights with Yoda on Dagobah as if he doesn't know who he is,
is anyones guess....unless he got memory wiped when he was rebuilt after
being blown to bits by Vader during the Battle of Yavin....
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-Grue
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An unbreakable toy is good for breaking other toys.
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| Re: The Droids [message #43630 ] |
Mi, 25 Mai 2005 02:16 |
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On Tue, 24 May 2005 00:38:31 GMT, Grue <a [at] a.com> wrote:
>Andrew Murray wrote:
>
>> They left Artoo's memory intact in preparation for the time they might
>> need it/him to help them....
>
>An added bonus is that, with his memory intact, R2-D2 can actually
>recognise who Obi-Wan Kenobi is when he sees him.
>
>Why he still fights with Yoda on Dagobah as if he doesn't know who he is,
>is anyones guess....unless he got memory wiped when he was rebuilt after
>being blown to bits by Vader during the Battle of Yavin....
I just watched ESB last night, and you can (kinda) interpret R2 as
saying "Yoda, stop screwing around, help him out!" Also, when Luke
tells R2 to "stay here and watch over the camp" R2 gets all excited,
like he's trying to tell Luke something. He then shows up at Yoda's
hut anyway as if to say "I'm not missing this for anything."
Another cool thing about the Dagobah sequence is Luke saying, "There's
something familiar about this place" ... he's feeling Yoda's presence,
which he would have felt when he was born.
These are just a couple of cool connections you can make because of
the prequels. It doesn't all have to be finding holes...
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| Re: The Droids [message #296562 ] |
Di, 11 Juli 2006 15:16 |
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This is Nitpicking in the extreme but there are many ways to interpret
how the Artoo acted through all the movies. I'd like to say first
that most people in the Star Wars Universe probably think of
Astromechs like Artoo as nothing more than mobile repair units, sort
of like a rolling tool cart. But not to Anakin, Anakin modified
Artoo out of all proportion until he was as close to having a real
personality as Threepio, what ever that is. Threepio on the other
hand speaks English and is expected to interact with Humans, and based
on what happens in the scenes you don't see Threepio might have known
about the existence of 2 Jedi Masters, extremely dangerous at the
time, it would be expected for Bail Organia to order Threepio's brain
wiped and not give a second thought to Artoo. Why have the brain of
a tool cart wiped, what attention does it pay to people. It is the
same reasoning that got Artoo into Jabba's palace with the knowledge
of the escape plan, they checked out Threepio and when he didn't have
anything they didn't give Artoo a second glance.
Now the main question, did Artoo's memory survive until ANH? Who can
say, memory flushes (droid brain wipes) are probably standard
procedure for all droids on occasion to make sure they function
correctly. If Artoo is special (as we all know him to be) and
considers what would happen if all of his memories were to be wiped
could have taken some kind of precautions to prevent that happening,
after all, getting the work done is probably drudge work that no one
really pays attention to anyway. Remember also that Anakin made
Artoo special, sort of like a friend helping out another friend,
Anakin might have included such precautions. Artoo knew that
Threepio's memory was gone, he might not have wanted to take any
chances. As some one else said it might have been a motivating
factor in his escape from Luke's farm. A funny thing was that if his
memory was intacted he should have known who Luke really was, but the
chances of that were kind of remote.
On
And is there any actual scene when Artoo sees Yoda in any of the
prequels? Is it possible he didn't know who he was? As for Obi-Wan
on Tatooine, Artoo did NOT recognize
On Tue, 24 May 2005 20:16:09 -0400, The Other John
<spamblock [at] blockit.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 24 May 2005 00:38:31 GMT, Grue <a [at] a.com> wrote:
>
>>Andrew Murray wrote:
>>
>>> They left Artoo's memory intact in preparation for the time they might
>>> need it/him to help them....
>>
>>An added bonus is that, with his memory intact, R2-D2 can actually
>>recognise who Obi-Wan Kenobi is when he sees him.
>>
>>Why he still fights with Yoda on Dagobah as if he doesn't know who he is,
>>is anyones guess....unless he got memory wiped when he was rebuilt after
>>being blown to bits by Vader during the Battle of Yavin....
>
>I just watched ESB last night, and you can (kinda) interpret R2 as
>saying "Yoda, stop screwing around, help him out!" Also, when Luke
>tells R2 to "stay here and watch over the camp" R2 gets all excited,
>like he's trying to tell Luke something. He then shows up at Yoda's
>hut anyway as if to say "I'm not missing this for anything."
>
>Another cool thing about the Dagobah sequence is Luke saying, "There's
>something familiar about this place" ... he's feeling Yoda's presence,
>which he would have felt when he was born.
>
>These are just a couple of cool connections you can make because of
>the prequels. It doesn't all have to be finding holes...
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| Re: The Droids [message #296566 ] |
Mi, 12 Juli 2006 00:26 |
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Ears wrote:
> As some one else said it might have been a motivating
> factor in his escape from Luke's farm. A funny thing was that if his
> memory was intacted he should have known who Luke really was, but the
> chances of that were kind of remote.
>
1. The "Mission" was to contact Obi-Wan Kenobi, not muck around with
someone who was a relative of a former owner.
2. Letting Luke know who he was would have compromised his security.
> And is there any actual scene when Artoo sees Yoda in any of the
> prequels? Is it possible he didn't know who he was? As for Obi-Wan
> on Tatooine, Artoo did NOT recognize
>
I'm sure he'd know that this was a lifeform of the same species as Yoda
and Yaddle. He'd also know that they were looking for Yoda. The thing
is that;
1. Yoda was acting so far out of character that he may not have
recognized him.
2. What did you expect R2 to do when Yoda was acting like a baby?
Stick out a mechanical arm and say "shake baby".
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