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| BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293623] |
Mo, 03 Juli 2006 01:42 |
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Star Trek was, and is, total cheese and kitsch. Battlestar Galactica is
totally cool and hip with wicked special effects and hot babes. The
fans of the show are way cooler than trekkies too.
-Commander Lee Adama (show the respect)
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293624 ] |
Mo, 03 Juli 2006 01:45 |
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Commander Lee Adama ha scritto:
> Star Trek was, and is, total cheese and kitsch. Battlestar Galactica is
> totally cool and hip with wicked special effects and hot babes. The
> fans of the show are way cooler than trekkies too.
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> -Commander Lee Adama (show the respect)
>
ma vai a farti fottere da un paracarro
(trad:FUCK OFF)
mrt^^
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293629 ] |
Mo, 03 Juli 2006 05:08 |
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On 2 Jul 2006 16:42:17 -0700, "Commander Lee Adama" <meat.plow1 [at] gmail.com>
wrote:
>Star Trek was, and is, total cheese and kitsch. Battlestar Galactica is
>totally cool and hip with wicked special effects and hot babes. The
>fans of the show are way cooler than trekkies too.
Pigs In Space is cooler and hipper than BSG. Crawl back under your rock,
troll ..
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293631 ] |
Mo, 03 Juli 2006 07:27 |
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Commander Lee Adama wrote:
> Star Trek was, and is, total cheese and kitsch. Battlestar Galactica is
> totally cool and hip with wicked special effects and hot babes. The
> fans of the show are way cooler than trekkies too.
>
> -Commander Lee Adama (show the respect)
You are going to piss off some people and your remarks about the fans
are absurd, but the fact is you are basically right. As a scifi fan all
my life I never could stand Star Trek TOS, and even more TNG with it's
stupid left wing agenda.
BG is much better in any way you can imagine.
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293638 ] |
Mo, 03 Juli 2006 12:45 |
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This thread is now terminated.
"Jack" <benjil81 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151904422.253995.202520 [at] b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Commander Lee Adama wrote:
>> Star Trek was, and is, total cheese and kitsch. Battlestar Galactica is
>> totally cool and hip with wicked special effects and hot babes. The
>> fans of the show are way cooler than trekkies too.
>>
>> -Commander Lee Adama (show the respect)
>
> You are going to piss off some people and your remarks about the fans
> are absurd, but the fact is you are basically right. As a scifi fan all
> my life I never could stand Star Trek TOS, and even more TNG with it's
> stupid left wing agenda.
> BG is much better in any way you can imagine.
>
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293639 ] |
Mo, 03 Juli 2006 15:42 |
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Troll, keep in mind that if it hadn't been for Star Trek there never
would have been a BG.
Have respect for your elders.
Jeff DeWitt
Commander Lee Adama wrote:
> Star Trek was, and is, total cheese and kitsch. Battlestar Galactica is
> totally cool and hip with wicked special effects and hot babes. The
> fans of the show are way cooler than trekkies too.
>
> -Commander Lee Adama (show the respect)
>
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293657 ] |
Di, 04 Juli 2006 03:04 |
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"Jack" <benjil81 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151904422.253995.202520 [at] b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Commander Lee Adama wrote:
>> Star Trek was, and is, total cheese and kitsch. Battlestar Galactica is
>> totally cool and hip with wicked special effects and hot babes. The
>> fans of the show are way cooler than trekkies too.
>>
>> -Commander Lee Adama (show the respect)
>
> You are going to piss off some people and your remarks about the fans
> are absurd, but the fact is you are basically right. As a scifi fan all
> my life I never could stand Star Trek TOS, and even more TNG with it's
> stupid left wing agenda.
Left wing agenda? Please explain.
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293659 ] |
Di, 04 Juli 2006 05:10 |
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The world of TNG is sort of a left wingers paradise, no money, everyone
gets along (everyone on Earth at least), religion is considered a
superstition from the past, Earth has one government, etc.
In real life things wouldn't work that way of course.
Jeff DeWitt
El Puerco wrote:
> "Jack" <benjil81 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1151904422.253995.202520 [at] b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Commander Lee Adama wrote:
>>
>>>Star Trek was, and is, total cheese and kitsch. Battlestar Galactica is
>>>totally cool and hip with wicked special effects and hot babes. The
>>>fans of the show are way cooler than trekkies too.
>>>
>>>-Commander Lee Adama (show the respect)
>>
>>You are going to piss off some people and your remarks about the fans
>>are absurd, but the fact is you are basically right. As a scifi fan all
>>my life I never could stand Star Trek TOS, and even more TNG with it's
>>stupid left wing agenda.
>
>
> Left wing agenda? Please explain.
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293661 ] |
Di, 04 Juli 2006 06:01 |
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Jeff DeWitt wrote:
> Troll, keep in mind that if it hadn't been for Star Trek there never
> would have been a BG.
Actually if it hadn't been for Star Wars, there never would have been a
BSG. Trek had little if anything to do with it, unless it is your
opinion that Trek is directly responsible for all SCI FI involving
starship from 1969 on...
>
> Have respect for your elders.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Commander Lee Adama wrote:
>> Star Trek was, and is, total cheese and kitsch. Battlestar Galactica is
>> totally cool and hip with wicked special effects and hot babes. The
>> fans of the show are way cooler than trekkies too.
>>
>> -Commander Lee Adama (show the respect)
>>
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293662 ] |
Di, 04 Juli 2006 06:02 |
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Jeff DeWitt wrote:
> The world of TNG is sort of a left wingers paradise, no money, everyone
> gets along (everyone on Earth at least), religion is considered a
> superstition from the past, Earth has one government, etc.
>
> In real life things wouldn't work that way of course.
Are you saying that people will never grow up?
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> El Puerco wrote:
>> "Jack" <benjil81 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1151904422.253995.202520 [at] b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> Commander Lee Adama wrote:
>>>
>>>> Star Trek was, and is, total cheese and kitsch. Battlestar Galactica is
>>>> totally cool and hip with wicked special effects and hot babes. The
>>>> fans of the show are way cooler than trekkies too.
>>>>
>>>> -Commander Lee Adama (show the respect)
>>>
>>> You are going to piss off some people and your remarks about the fans
>>> are absurd, but the fact is you are basically right. As a scifi fan all
>>> my life I never could stand Star Trek TOS, and even more TNG with it's
>>> stupid left wing agenda.
>>
>>
>> Left wing agenda? Please explain.
>>
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293663 ] |
Di, 04 Juli 2006 06:42 |
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Clell Harmon wrote:
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
>> The world of TNG is sort of a left wingers paradise, no money,
>> everyone gets along (everyone on Earth at least), religion is
>> considered a superstition from the past, Earth has one government, etc.
>>
>> In real life things wouldn't work that way of course.
>
>
> Are you saying that people will never grow up?
Growing up has nothing to do with it, people are people and the laws of
economics don't change.
Jeff DeWitt
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt
>>
>> El Puerco wrote:
>>
>>> "Jack" <benjil81 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1151904422.253995.202520 [at] b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>> Commander Lee Adama wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Star Trek was, and is, total cheese and kitsch. Battlestar
>>>>> Galactica is
>>>>> totally cool and hip with wicked special effects and hot babes. The
>>>>> fans of the show are way cooler than trekkies too.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Commander Lee Adama (show the respect)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are going to piss off some people and your remarks about the fans
>>>> are absurd, but the fact is you are basically right. As a scifi fan all
>>>> my life I never could stand Star Trek TOS, and even more TNG with it's
>>>> stupid left wing agenda.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Left wing agenda? Please explain.
>>>
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293664 ] |
Di, 04 Juli 2006 06:57 |
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Clell Harmon wrote:
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
>> Troll, keep in mind that if it hadn't been for Star Trek there never
>> would have been a BG.
>
>
> Actually if it hadn't been for Star Wars, there never would have
> been a BSG. Trek had little if anything to do with it, unless it is
> your opinion that Trek is directly responsible for all SCI FI involving
> starship from 1969 on...
Obviously not, there was a lot of science fiction written in those
years, and of course Star Wars was a bigger direct influence on BEG than
Trek was.
However considering what else was going on in those days I sure hope
something would have shown up on TV even if Star Trek hadn't come along,
but it's a cinch that Trek DID influence everything that followed.
Jeff DeWitt
>
>>
>> Have respect for your elders.
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt
>>
>> Commander Lee Adama wrote:
>>
>>> Star Trek was, and is, total cheese and kitsch. Battlestar Galactica is
>>> totally cool and hip with wicked special effects and hot babes. The
>>> fans of the show are way cooler than trekkies too.
>>>
>>> -Commander Lee Adama (show the respect)
>>>
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293665 ] |
Di, 04 Juli 2006 06:53 |
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Clell Harmon wrote:
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
>> Troll, keep in mind that if it hadn't been for Star Trek there never
>> would have been a BG.
>
>
> Actually if it hadn't been for Star Wars, there never would have
> been a BSG. Trek had little if anything to do with it, unless it is
> your opinion that Trek is directly responsible for all SCI FI involving
> starship from 1969 on...
Obviously not, there was a lot of science fiction written in those
years, but the only other thing I remember coming to the screen was 2001.
Considering what else was going on in those days I sure hope something
would have shown up on TV even if Star Trek hadn't come along, but it's
a cinch that Trek DID influence everything that followed.
Jeff DeWitt
>
>>
>> Have respect for your elders.
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt
>>
>> Commander Lee Adama wrote:
>>
>>> Star Trek was, and is, total cheese and kitsch. Battlestar Galactica is
>>> totally cool and hip with wicked special effects and hot babes. The
>>> fans of the show are way cooler than trekkies too.
>>>
>>> -Commander Lee Adama (show the respect)
>>>
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293668 ] |
Di, 04 Juli 2006 08:52 |
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"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt [at] nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:j_kqg.7846$so3.4114 [at] southeast.rr.com...
> The world of TNG is sort of a left wingers paradise, no money, everyone
> gets along (everyone on Earth at least), religion is considered a
> superstition from the past, Earth has one government, etc.
>
> In real life things wouldn't work that way of course.
Unless you've invented a machine that can make anything you want out of
energy and a way of making energy that doesn't cost a dime. ;-)
And without resource scarcity, one government would probably do just fine
(since everyone would be getting along so well).
I kind of see ST as more of a right-wing "paradise" given all the sub-human
species that always seem to need civilizing from the enlightened and
benevolent hand of humanity. I mean humans get to choose their behavior but
not anyone else? I don't know but that always seemed a tad racist to me (or
maybe "specieist").
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293669 ] |
Di, 04 Juli 2006 09:30 |
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El Puerco wrote:
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt [at] nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:j_kqg.7846$so3.4114 [at] southeast.rr.com...
> > The world of TNG is sort of a left wingers paradise, no money, everyone
> > gets along (everyone on Earth at least), religion is considered a
> > superstition from the past, Earth has one government, etc.
> >
> > In real life things wouldn't work that way of course.
>
> Unless you've invented a machine that can make anything you want out of
> energy and a way of making energy that doesn't cost a dime. ;-)
>
> And without resource scarcity, one government would probably do just fine
> (since everyone would be getting along so well).
>
> I kind of see ST as more of a right-wing "paradise" given all the sub-human
> species that always seem to need civilizing from the enlightened and
> benevolent hand of humanity. I mean humans get to choose their behavior but
> not anyone else? I don't know but that always seemed a tad racist to me (or
> maybe "specieist").
That is why it is a left wing paradise, on the contrary. Left wing
people (Liberals as they are called in the USA, while in Europe,
liberal means right wing economics) usually feel superior to others,
think they are more advanced and progressive than the others and that
they need to "educate" them in the right ways.
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293673 ] |
Di, 04 Juli 2006 14:27 |
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On 2 Jul 2006 16:42:17 -0700, "Commander Lee Adama"
<meat.plow1 [at] gmail.com> wrotC:DRIVE_E
>Star Trek was, and is, total cheese and kitsch. Battlestar Galactica is
>totally cool and hip with wicked special effects and hot babes. The
>fans of the show are way cooler than trekkies too.
>
Does the troll-o-meter register negative numbers?
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293676 ] |
Di, 04 Juli 2006 18:26 |
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"Jack" <benjil81 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151998209.702543.296790 [at] h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> El Puerco wrote:
>> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt [at] nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:j_kqg.7846$so3.4114 [at] southeast.rr.com...
>> > The world of TNG is sort of a left wingers paradise, no money, everyone
>> > gets along (everyone on Earth at least), religion is considered a
>> > superstition from the past, Earth has one government, etc.
>> >
>> > In real life things wouldn't work that way of course.
>>
>> Unless you've invented a machine that can make anything you want out of
>> energy and a way of making energy that doesn't cost a dime. ;-)
>>
>> And without resource scarcity, one government would probably do just fine
>> (since everyone would be getting along so well).
>>
>> I kind of see ST as more of a right-wing "paradise" given all the
>> sub-human
>> species that always seem to need civilizing from the enlightened and
>> benevolent hand of humanity. I mean humans get to choose their behavior
>> but
>> not anyone else? I don't know but that always seemed a tad racist to me
>> (or
>> maybe "specieist").
>
> That is why it is a left wing paradise, on the contrary. Left wing
> people (Liberals as they are called in the USA, while in Europe,
> liberal means right wing economics) usually feel superior to others,
> think they are more advanced and progressive than the others and that
> they need to "educate" them in the right ways.
Everyone does that in the U.S. at least. Hell, we haven't had a really
conservative politician on the national landscape since Barry Goldwater (not
that I'd shill for him, mind you, although Hillary Clinton did :-).
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293677 ] |
Di, 04 Juli 2006 18:56 |
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On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:26:16 -0500, "El Puerco" <arriba [at] soap.fan>
wrote:
>we haven't had a really
>conservative politician on the national landscape since Barry Goldwater
What about Reagan?
--
Stop Repeat Offenders!
Don't Re-elect Them!
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293679 ] |
Di, 04 Juli 2006 20:43 |
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Reagan was a great President, certainly the greatest President of the
second part of the 20th Century, if not the whole century, but he was
not as conservative as Barry Goldwater.
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice; moderation in the
pursuit of justice is no virtue." - Barry Goldwater
However we DID have Senator Jesse Helms, he was (and is) a real
conservative, and if it wasn't for him Ronald Reagan probably never
would have become president.
Jeff DeWitt
Bob wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:26:16 -0500, "El Puerco" <arriba [at] soap.fan>
> wrote:
>
>
>>we haven't had a really
>>conservative politician on the national landscape since Barry Goldwater
>
>
> What about Reagan?
>
>
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293681 ] |
Di, 04 Juli 2006 22:00 |
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On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 04:02:08 GMT, Clell Harmon <c.harmon [at] mchsi.com>
wrote:
>Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>> The world of TNG is sort of a left wingers paradise, no money, everyone
>> gets along (everyone on Earth at least), religion is considered a
>> superstition from the past, Earth has one government, etc.
>>
>> In real life things wouldn't work that way of course.
>
> Are you saying that people will never grow up?
Historically, we have observed many billions of people to grow up. And,
strange as it might seem, grown-ups keep right on using money, getting
into fights with one another, adhering to "superstitious" religions, and
so forth. Indeed, money, war, religion, and government were *invented*
by grown-ups to address actual grown-up concerns.
The original poster greatly exaggerated the extent to which ST:TNG
represented a "left winger's paradise", but you're making his case for
him. The idea that "grow up" means "abandon money, conflict, religion,
etc, to live in peace and harmony", is part of the recipe for the
classic "left winger's paradise", and it's not the part that has any
discernable connection to reality.
--
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*Member:AIAA,NRA,ACLU,SAS,LP * is worth doing for money" *
*Chief Scientist & General Partner * -13th Rule of Acquisition *
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293682 ] |
Di, 04 Juli 2006 23:20 |
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Jeff DeWitt wrote:
> Clell Harmon wrote:
>> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>
>>> The world of TNG is sort of a left wingers paradise, no money,
>>> everyone gets along (everyone on Earth at least), religion is
>>> considered a superstition from the past, Earth has one government, etc.
>>>
>>> In real life things wouldn't work that way of course.
>>
>>
>> Are you saying that people will never grow up?
>
> Growing up has nothing to do with it, people are people and the laws of
> economics don't change.
No they don't. So, what happens when supply is unexhaustable, demand
is met, and inflation is nil?
What happens when people realize that religions were developed when the
priests figured out that priesting involved no heavy lifting?
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>> El Puerco wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Jack" <benjil81 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1151904422.253995.202520 [at] b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>> Commander Lee Adama wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Star Trek was, and is, total cheese and kitsch. Battlestar
>>>>>> Galactica is
>>>>>> totally cool and hip with wicked special effects and hot babes. The
>>>>>> fans of the show are way cooler than trekkies too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Commander Lee Adama (show the respect)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You are going to piss off some people and your remarks about the fans
>>>>> are absurd, but the fact is you are basically right. As a scifi fan
>>>>> all
>>>>> my life I never could stand Star Trek TOS, and even more TNG with it's
>>>>> stupid left wing agenda.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Left wing agenda? Please explain.
>>>>
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293683 ] |
Di, 04 Juli 2006 23:27 |
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Jeff DeWitt wrote:
> Clell Harmon wrote:
>> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>
>>> Troll, keep in mind that if it hadn't been for Star Trek there never
>>> would have been a BG.
>>
>>
>> Actually if it hadn't been for Star Wars, there never would have
>> been a BSG. Trek had little if anything to do with it, unless it is
>> your opinion that Trek is directly responsible for all SCI FI
>> involving starship from 1969 on...
>
>
> Obviously not, there was a lot of science fiction written in those
> years, and of course Star Wars was a bigger direct influence on BEG than
> Trek was.
>
> However considering what else was going on in those days I sure hope
> something would have shown up on TV even if Star Trek hadn't come along,
> but it's a cinch that Trek DID influence everything that followed.
Ok, what were the Trek influences of Battlestar Galactica? Influences
that were original to Trek, and carried on in BSG.
For example, while like JTK, Starbuck was willing to bed anything
remotely female, this doesn't count due to Kirk could hardly be said to
have invented being a hound.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>>
>>>
>>> Have respect for your elders.
>>>
>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>> Commander Lee Adama wrote:
>>>
>>>> Star Trek was, and is, total cheese and kitsch. Battlestar Galactica is
>>>> totally cool and hip with wicked special effects and hot babes. The
>>>> fans of the show are way cooler than trekkies too.
>>>>
>>>> -Commander Lee Adama (show the respect)
>>>>
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293684 ] |
Di, 04 Juli 2006 23:31 |
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Bob wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:26:16 -0500, "El Puerco" <arriba [at] soap.fan>
> wrote:
>
>> we haven't had a really
>> conservative politician on the national landscape since Barry Goldwater
>
> What about Reagan?
What about him? How was Red-ink Reagan a conservative?
>
>
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293685 ] |
Di, 04 Juli 2006 23:42 |
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John Schilling wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 04:02:08 GMT, Clell Harmon <c.harmon [at] mchsi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>> The world of TNG is sort of a left wingers paradise, no money, everyone
>>> gets along (everyone on Earth at least), religion is considered a
>>> superstition from the past, Earth has one government, etc.
>>>
>>> In real life things wouldn't work that way of course.
>> Are you saying that people will never grow up?
>
> Historically, we have observed many billions of people to grow up. And,
Nope. Historically we have observed many billions of people get older.
So far, few, (oh so very few) have grown up. I have in my life met 4
grown ups.
> strange as it might seem, grown-ups keep right on using money, getting
> into fights with one another, adhering to "superstitious" religions, and
> so forth. Indeed, money, war, religion, and government were *invented*
> by grown-ups to address actual grown-up concerns.
All the things invented by people to oppress other people are not the
works of grown ups, but those of old children who feel the need to show
how tough/smart/successful they are.
>
> The original poster greatly exaggerated the extent to which ST:TNG
> represented a "left winger's paradise", but you're making his case for
> him. The idea that "grow up" means "abandon money, conflict, religion,
> etc, to live in peace and harmony", is part of the recipe for the
> classic "left winger's paradise", and it's not the part that has any
> discernable connection to reality.
If you want to define the specie finally reaching maturity as 'left
wing' it's fine by me. The grown ups won't care at all.
>
>
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293692 ] |
Mi, 05 Juli 2006 01:37 |
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Clell Harmon <c.harmon [at] mchsi.com> wrote:
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
> > Clell Harmon wrote:
> >> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
> >>
> >>> The world of TNG is sort of a left wingers paradise, no money,
> >>> everyone gets along (everyone on Earth at least), religion is
> >>> considered a superstition from the past, Earth has one government, etc.
> >>>
> >>> In real life things wouldn't work that way of course.
> >>
> >>
> >> Are you saying that people will never grow up?
> >
> > Growing up has nothing to do with it, people are people and the laws of
> > economics don't change.
>
> No they don't. So, what happens when supply is unexhaustable, demand
> is met, and inflation is nil?
Monkeys end up flying out of you-know-where.
> What happens when people realize that religions were developed when the
> priests figured out that priesting involved no heavy lifting?
Spoken like someone who ISN'T a priest.
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293695 ] |
Mi, 05 Juli 2006 03:44 |
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Clell Harmon wrote:
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
>> Clell Harmon wrote:
>>
>>> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>>
>>>> The world of TNG is sort of a left wingers paradise, no money,
>>>> everyone gets along (everyone on Earth at least), religion is
>>>> considered a superstition from the past, Earth has one government, etc.
>>>>
>>>> In real life things wouldn't work that way of course.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you saying that people will never grow up?
>>
>>
>> Growing up has nothing to do with it, people are people and the laws
>> of economics don't change.
>
>
> No they don't. So, what happens when supply is unexhaustable,
> demand is met, and inflation is nil?
IF that were to happen a LOT of people would sit around, get fat and do
nothing figuring society owes them a living. We get a lot of that NOW.
>
> What happens when people realize that religions were developed when
> the priests figured out that priesting involved no heavy lifting?
Faith, belief in a higher power, something bigger than yourself, doesn't
require priests. I believe in God, and have seen things that convince
me something more is going on than we understand, but that doesn't
require a priest.
Not that there is anything wrong with Clergy (well there are some Mad
Mullahs in the Middle East that need to be sent to Allah ASAP, but that
is another conversation!)
Jeff DeWitt
>
>>
>> Jeff DeWitt
>>
>>>>
>>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>>>
>>>> El Puerco wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Jack" <benjil81 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1151904422.253995.202520 [at] b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Commander Lee Adama wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Star Trek was, and is, total cheese and kitsch. Battlestar
>>>>>>> Galactica is
>>>>>>> totally cool and hip with wicked special effects and hot babes. The
>>>>>>> fans of the show are way cooler than trekkies too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Commander Lee Adama (show the respect)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are going to piss off some people and your remarks about the fans
>>>>>> are absurd, but the fact is you are basically right. As a scifi
>>>>>> fan all
>>>>>> my life I never could stand Star Trek TOS, and even more TNG with
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> stupid left wing agenda.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Left wing agenda? Please explain.
>>>>>
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293699 ] |
Mi, 05 Juli 2006 05:39 |
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Preacher wrote:
> Clell Harmon <c.harmon [at] mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>> Clell Harmon wrote:
>>>> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The world of TNG is sort of a left wingers paradise, no money,
>>>>> everyone gets along (everyone on Earth at least), religion is
>>>>> considered a superstition from the past, Earth has one government, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> In real life things wouldn't work that way of course.
>>>>
>>>> Are you saying that people will never grow up?
>>> Growing up has nothing to do with it, people are people and the laws of
>>> economics don't change.
>> No they don't. So, what happens when supply is unexhaustable, demand
>> is met, and inflation is nil?
>
> Monkeys end up flying out of you-know-where.
Is that your considered position?
>
>> What happens when people realize that religions were developed when the
>> priests figured out that priesting involved no heavy lifting?
>
> Spoken like someone who ISN'T a priest.
Exactly true. Organized religion and I had a parting of the way when I
reached the age of reason... 9 to be exact.
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293700 ] |
Mi, 05 Juli 2006 05:46 |
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Jeff DeWitt wrote:
> Clell Harmon wrote:
>> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>
>>> Clell Harmon wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The world of TNG is sort of a left wingers paradise, no money,
>>>>> everyone gets along (everyone on Earth at least), religion is
>>>>> considered a superstition from the past, Earth has one government,
>>>>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> In real life things wouldn't work that way of course.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are you saying that people will never grow up?
>>>
>>>
>>> Growing up has nothing to do with it, people are people and the laws
>>> of economics don't change.
>>
>>
>> No they don't. So, what happens when supply is unexhaustable,
>> demand is met, and inflation is nil?
>
> IF that were to happen a LOT of people would sit around, get fat and do
> nothing figuring society owes them a living. We get a lot of that NOW.
Are you speaking for yourself here? I on the other hand think more of
people, having the example of retired people who, having all their basic
needs met, seek to improve themselves in various ways.
Bill Gates never hasn't needed to work for many years, yet showed up
for work daily, AND runs one of the world's premier private charities.
>>
>> What happens when people realize that religions were developed
>> when the priests figured out that priesting involved no heavy lifting?
>
> Faith, belief in a higher power, something bigger than yourself, doesn't
> require priests. I believe in God, and have seen things that convince
> me something more is going on than we understand, but that doesn't
> require a priest.
Examples of these things you've seen?
>
> Not that there is anything wrong with Clergy (well there are some Mad
> Mullahs in the Middle East that need to be sent to Allah ASAP, but that
> is another conversation!)
Scratch a believer and you'll find a mindless mass murderer in waiting.
History bears this out beyond any doubt.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
>>
>>>
>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>>>>
>>>>> El Puerco wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jack" <benjil81 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1151904422.253995.202520 [at] b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Commander Lee Adama wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Star Trek was, and is, total cheese and kitsch. Battlestar
>>>>>>>> Galactica is
>>>>>>>> totally cool and hip with wicked special effects and hot babes. The
>>>>>>>> fans of the show are way cooler than trekkies too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Commander Lee Adama (show the respect)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are going to piss off some people and your remarks about the
>>>>>>> fans
>>>>>>> are absurd, but the fact is you are basically right. As a scifi
>>>>>>> fan all
>>>>>>> my life I never could stand Star Trek TOS, and even more TNG with
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> stupid left wing agenda.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Left wing agenda? Please explain.
>>>>>>
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293701 ] |
Mi, 05 Juli 2006 05:49 |
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On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 01:44:32 GMT, Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt [at] nc.rr.com>
wrote:
>Not that there is anything wrong with Clergy (well there are some Mad
>Mullahs in the Middle East that need to be sent to Allah ASAP, but that
>is another conversation!)
Don't forget about the pedophiles and homos who abuse children by
taking advantage of their position in society.
Or were those kids just asking for it?
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293702 ] |
Mi, 05 Juli 2006 07:16 |
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Clell Harmon <c.harmon [at] mchsi.com> wrote:
> Preacher wrote:
> > Clell Harmon <c.harmon [at] mchsi.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
> >>> Clell Harmon wrote:
> >>>> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The world of TNG is sort of a left wingers paradise, no money,
> >>>>> everyone gets along (everyone on Earth at least), religion is
> >>>>> considered a superstition from the past, Earth has one government,
> >>>>> etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In real life things wouldn't work that way of course.
> >>>>
> >>>> Are you saying that people will never grow up? Growing up has
> >>>nothing to do with it, people are people and the laws of economics
> >>>don't change.
> >> No they don't. So, what happens when supply is unexhaustable,
> >> demand is met, and inflation is nil?
> >
> > Monkeys end up flying out of you-know-where.
>
> Is that your considered position?
It was supposed to be funny, but yeah, it actually IS my considered
position. I don't think there will be a time when supply is
inexhaustable and demand is met - outside of a fantasy world like Star
Trek (which, btw, I enjoy immensely - at least everything this side of
Enterprise and possibly Voyager).
> >> What happens when people realize that religions were developed
> >> when the priests figured out that priesting involved no heavy lifting?
> >
> > Spoken like someone who ISN'T a priest.
>
> Exactly true. Organized religion and I had a parting of the way when I
> reached the age of reason... 9 to be exact.
Ah yes - so you came to your considered position on religion at age 9.
Very nice.
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293704 ] |
Mi, 05 Juli 2006 14:00 |
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On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 03:39:12 GMT, Clell Harmon <c.harmon [at] mchsi.com>
wrote:
> Exactly true. Organized religion and I had a parting of the way when I
>reached the age of reason... 9 to be exact.
That's just about the age that the pedophiles and homos get interested
in little boys. You must have disappointed them.
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293705 ] |
Mi, 05 Juli 2006 14:04 |
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On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:16:09 GMT, nono [at] way.com (Preacher) wrote:
>> Exactly true. Organized religion and I had a parting of the way when I
>> reached the age of reason... 9 to be exact.
>Ah yes - so you came to your considered position on religion at age 9.
>Very nice.
I decided it was just a bunch of bullshit when a nun came up behind me
and saw me drawing a picture of a rocket. When she asked why I was
drawing it, I told her someday man would land on the Moon. This was
back in 1955 before the NASA/Sputnik era. She yelled as loud as she
could so the rest of the class would hear that I was really stupid
because man would never put anyone on the Moon.
Fucking leftist queers.
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293718 ] |
Mi, 05 Juli 2006 20:20 |
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On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 18:43:39 GMT, Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt [at] nc.rr.com> wrote:
>Reagan was a great President, certainly the greatest President of the
>second part of the 20th Century, if not the whole century, but he was
>not as conservative as Barry Goldwater.
Well said. Barry was way too honest and plain-spoken to ever be elected
president ..
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293726 ] |
Mi, 05 Juli 2006 23:16 |
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Preacher wrote:
> Clell Harmon <c.harmon [at] mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>> Preacher wrote:
>>> Clell Harmon <c.harmon [at] mchsi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>>>> Clell Harmon wrote:
>>>>>> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The world of TNG is sort of a left wingers paradise, no money,
>>>>>>> everyone gets along (everyone on Earth at least), religion is
>>>>>>> considered a superstition from the past, Earth has one government,
>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In real life things wouldn't work that way of course.
>>>>>> Are you saying that people will never grow up? Growing up has
>>>>> nothing to do with it, people are people and the laws of economics
>>>>> don't change.
>>>> No they don't. So, what happens when supply is unexhaustable,
>>>> demand is met, and inflation is nil?
>>> Monkeys end up flying out of you-know-where.
>> Is that your considered position?
>
> It was supposed to be funny, but yeah, it actually IS my considered
> position. I don't think there will be a time when supply is
> inexhaustable and demand is met - outside of a fantasy world like Star
> Trek (which, btw, I enjoy immensely - at least everything this side of
> Enterprise and possibly Voyager).
>
>>>> What happens when people realize that religions were developed
>>>> when the priests figured out that priesting involved no heavy lifting?
>>> Spoken like someone who ISN'T a priest.
>> Exactly true. Organized religion and I had a parting of the way when I
>> reached the age of reason... 9 to be exact.
>
> Ah yes - so you came to your considered position on religion at age 9.
> Very nice.
It followed the beating I got for questioning the bible, personally
delivered by the good Reverend of my mother's Baptist Church. I learned
to keep my mouth shut, and to hate the abject applied ignorance of
unquestioning faith very very much.
My crime? Noting that his sermon about the vessel in Solomon's temple
that was 30 cubits around and 10 cubits across would have a pi of 3. We
had just covered pi in math class, and were Solomon's vessel couldn't
exist in our universe. I asked why the bible was wrong.
It was only 25 years later that I got to piss on that raving asshole's
grave, quite literally.
I embarked on a search for a religion that made sense in my late teens,
making my way through most of the Chisto/Judaic/Moslem sects, finding
that they all believe pretty much the same silly crap. Of all the
religions I have found only the Wicca hadn't killed anyone recently, but
do they ever believe in their own brand of silly crap.
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293727 ] |
Mi, 05 Juli 2006 23:23 |
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Clell Harmon wrote:
> I embarked on a search for a religion that made sense in my late
> teens, making my way through most of the Chisto/Judaic/Moslem sects,
> finding that they all believe pretty much the same silly crap. Of all
> the religions I have found only the Wicca hadn't killed anyone recently,
> but do they ever believe in their own brand of silly crap.
Who have the Christians killed recently?
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293743 ] |
Do, 06 Juli 2006 03:48 |
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On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 21:42:04 GMT, Clell Harmon <c.harmon [at] mchsi.com> wrote:
>John Schilling wrote:
>> On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 04:02:08 GMT, Clell Harmon <c.harmon [at] mchsi.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>>> The world of TNG is sort of a left wingers paradise, no money, everyone
>>>> gets along (everyone on Earth at least), religion is considered a
>>>> superstition from the past, Earth has one government, etc.
>>>> In real life things wouldn't work that way of course.
>>> Are you saying that people will never grow up?
>> Historically, we have observed many billions of people to grow up. And,
> Nope. Historically we have observed many billions of people get older.
> So far, few, (oh so very few) have grown up. I have in my life met 4
>grown ups.
You would probably have more luck in that endeavour, if you would deign to
speak in some commonly-understood language like English. Your apparent
insistence on speaking some strange language which uses the same words as
English, but ascribes to them widely different meanings, is the sort of
childish behavior that most grown-ups have little patience with.
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #293746 ] |
Do, 06 Juli 2006 05:52 |
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Clell Harmon <c.harmon [at] mchsi.com> wrote:
> It followed the beating I got for questioning the bible, personally
> delivered by the good Reverend of my mother's Baptist Church. I learned
> to keep my mouth shut, and to hate the abject applied ignorance of
> unquestioning faith very very much.
>
> My crime? Noting that his sermon about the vessel in Solomon's temple
> that was 30 cubits around and 10 cubits across would have a pi of 3. We
> had just covered pi in math class, and were Solomon's vessel couldn't
> exist in our universe. I asked why the bible was wrong.
>
> It was only 25 years later that I got to piss on that raving asshole's
> grave, quite literally.
>
> I embarked on a search for a religion that made sense in my late teens,
> making my way through most of the Chisto/Judaic/Moslem sects, finding
> that they all believe pretty much the same silly crap. Of all the
> religions I have found only the Wicca hadn't killed anyone recently, but
> do they ever believe in their own brand of silly crap.
Well, I'm not interested in getting into a long debate about the merits
or believability of Christianity vs. anything else, certainly not in
this forum.
But I did want to say that I'm sorry you were treated so poorly in the
church. That was wrong, and I think most Christians would acknowledge
that.
Hope that you find (or have found) whatever it is that you're looking
for.
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #296422 ] |
Do, 06 Juli 2006 13:53 |
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On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 21:16:32 GMT, Clell Harmon <c.harmon [at] mchsi.com>
wrote:
>the vessel in Solomon's temple
>that was 30 cubits around and 10 cubits across would have a pi of 3.
The Indiana legislature once tried to pass a law that pi is 3.1
That was to be followed by a law that stated that all circles must
have 4 sides.
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #296423 ] |
Do, 06 Juli 2006 14:16 |
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On 2006-07-04, Jeff DeWitt <JeffDeWitt [at] nc.rr.com> wrote:
> Clell Harmon wrote:
>> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>
>>> The world of TNG is sort of a left wingers paradise, no money,
>>> everyone gets along (everyone on Earth at least), religion is
>>> considered a superstition from the past, Earth has one government, etc.
>>>
>>> In real life things wouldn't work that way of course.
>>
>>
>> Are you saying that people will never grow up?
>
> Growing up has nothing to do with it, people are people and the laws of
> economics don't change.
"Growing up" has nothing to do with it. This sort of perspective
is just liberal self loathing. Humans are the way they are because it was
beneficial for them to be that way for the 99% of their existence before
overwhelming and large coercive social structures existed.
The original TOS kind of had the right idea.
Even if you did manage to impose this "socialist paradise" there
would be a good portion of the population (at least 40%) that would feel
the need to escape their guilded cage in a very Kirk-esque fashion. People
would be fleeing the Federation as if it were Blakes 7 Federation.
[deletia]
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| Re: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS WAY BETTER THAN STAR TREK EVER WAS [message #296427 ] |
Do, 06 Juli 2006 19:23 |
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John Schilling wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 21:42:04 GMT, Clell Harmon <c.harmon [at] mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>> John Schilling wrote:
>>> On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 04:02:08 GMT, Clell Harmon <c.harmon [at] mchsi.com>
>>> wrote:
>
>>>> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>>>>> The world of TNG is sort of a left wingers paradise, no money, everyone
>>>>> gets along (everyone on Earth at least), religion is considered a
>>>>> superstition from the past, Earth has one government, etc.
>
>>>>> In real life things wouldn't work that way of course.
>>>> Are you saying that people will never grow up?
>
>>> Historically, we have observed many billions of people to grow up. And,
>
>> Nope. Historically we have observed many billions of people get older.
>> So far, few, (oh so very few) have grown up. I have in my life met 4
>> grown ups.
>
> You would probably have more luck in that endeavour, if you would deign to
> speak in some commonly-understood language like English. Your apparent
> insistence on speaking some strange language which uses the same words as
> English, but ascribes to them widely different meanings, is the sort of
> childish behavior that most grown-ups have little patience with.
>
>
no need to get all pissy.
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