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Fantasy » alt.fan.harry-potter » The HP Death Pool in now open!
The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291491] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 21:08
jamesawolf  
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060626/en_nm/arts_potter_plot_d c




>LONDON (Reuters) - Children's author J.K. Rowling has revealed that at least two characters will die in the seventh and final installment of her bestselling Harry Potter series, but was careful not to say who....
>
>Children and adults are expected to rush and buy the final Harry Potter novel in their tens of millions when it is complete, and if the publication of the sixth book is anything to go by, secrecy surrounding the plot will be tight.
>
>Rowling has already said that the final chapter of the seventh book was written long ago.
>
>"The final chapter is hidden away, although it's now changed very slightly," she said in an interview broadcast on Monday on Britain's Channel 4. "One character got a reprieve, but I have to say two die that I didn't intend to die."


Hmmm. So who snuffs it? My moeny is on Mr. Weasley and Draco. What
say you?
--

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just as dangerous a weapon| | where except where there are, you
today as in Samson's time | | know, threats and perils.
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Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291493 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 21:14
DUH  
James A. Wolf wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060626/en_nm/arts_potter_plot_d c
>
>
>
>
>
>>LONDON (Reuters) - Children's author J.K. Rowling has revealed that at least two characters will die in the seventh and final installment of her bestselling Harry Potter series, but was careful not to say who....
>>
>>Children and adults are expected to rush and buy the final Harry Potter novel in their tens of millions when it is complete, and if the publication of the sixth book is anything to go by, secrecy surrounding the plot will be tight.
>>
>>Rowling has already said that the final chapter of the seventh book was written long ago.
>>
>>"The final chapter is hidden away, although it's now changed very slightly," she said in an interview broadcast on Monday on Britain's Channel 4. "One character got a reprieve, but I have to say two die that I didn't intend to die."
>
>
>
> Hmmm. So who snuffs it? My moeny is on Mr. Weasley and Draco. What
> say you?

Harry and Voldemort. Ron gets a reprieve.

--
-------------------------
"Work like no one is watching,
Dance like you've never been hurt, and
Love like you don't need the money"

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Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291498 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 22:00
straw.the  
> >"The final chapter is hidden away, although it's now changed very slightly," she said in an interview broadcast on Monday on Britain's Channel 4. "One character got a reprieve, but I have to say two die that I didn't intend to die."
>
>
> Hmmm. So who snuffs it? My moeny is on Mr. Weasley and Draco. What
> say you?

Harry and Ron because they both rose from the table at the same time in
PoA and "when thirteen dine together the first to rise will be the
first to die" (228) and harry and ron both rose together...
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291506 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 23:39
Angrie.Woman  
>

Snape and Mrs. Weasely. Hermoine got the reprieve.
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291507 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 23:41
Flavius Marcus Septim  
James A. Wolf <jamesawolf [at] comcast.net> wrote in
news:31c0a21mkt732783lgsc7jnv39artkh2m1 [at] 4ax.com:

> Hmmm. So who snuffs it? My moeny is on Mr. Weasley and Draco.
> What say you?

Well, first off, are you including Harry or not in the "two"? Is it Harry plus two or Harry as one of the two?

All that really said is that "at least two" so I expect there will probably be others.

My bets are on:

Harry - for sure
Molly - most likely
Ron and/or Hermione (but not both)
and Ginny (but not if Harry dies)
possibly Lupin, but rather unlikely
and either (or both)
Tonks or Shacklebolt as a very slim last chance

None of the teachers, except maybe Minerva and Severus, are major characters, and doubt it even for them.
Of the Weasley's Ron of course, Ginny because I think she and Harry will stay together, and Molly as the
mother he never had. Arthur, Bill, Charlie, Percy, Fred, and George play relatively minor rolls, but Fred and
George are more likley than the others. Hermione like Ron, is Harry's best friend so she's a good bet too. As
for the other students, none, including Nevile and Luna, are major characters. The same applies to all people
we've met in Diagon Alley, Hogsmeade, or the Ministry, none are major.

Flavius Marcus Septimus Agustus
~~~~ CENTURION WALLS ~~~~
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291510 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 00:00
Taunto  
Flavius Marcus Septimus Agustus wrote:
> James A. Wolf <jamesawolf [at] comcast.net> wrote in
> news:31c0a21mkt732783lgsc7jnv39artkh2m1 [at] 4ax.com:
>
>
>>Hmmm. So who snuffs it? My moeny is on Mr. Weasley and Draco.
>>What say you?
>
>
> Well, first off, are you including Harry or not in the "two"? Is it Harry plus two or Harry as one of the two?
>
> All that really said is that "at least two" so I expect there will probably be others.
>
> My bets are on:
>
> Harry - for sure
> Molly - most likely
> Ron and/or Hermione (but not both)
> and Ginny (but not if Harry dies)
> possibly Lupin, but rather unlikely
> and either (or both)
> Tonks or Shacklebolt as a very slim last chance
>
> None of the teachers, except maybe Minerva and Severus, are major characters, and doubt it even for them.
> Of the Weasley's Ron of course, Ginny because I think she and Harry will stay together, and Molly as the
> mother he never had. Arthur, Bill, Charlie, Percy, Fred, and George play relatively minor rolls, but Fred and
> George are more likley than the others. Hermione like Ron, is Harry's best friend so she's a good bet too. As
> for the other students, none, including Nevile and Luna, are major characters. The same applies to all people
> we've met in Diagon Alley, Hogsmeade, or the Ministry, none are major.
>
> Flavius Marcus Septimus Agustus
> ~~~~ CENTURION WALLS ~~~~


You know, Hagrid never figures into the list of ones who will be killed.
I remember thinking, before book 6 came out, that it would be terrible
if he died, and Harry crying out "No, not Hagrid" shows a similar deep
connection.

It could very well be that Hagrid gets it while trying to shield Harry.
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291513 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 00:17
DaveD  
"duh" <nosoupforU [at] yoohoo.com> wrote in message
news:44a031f9$0$65474$742ec2ed [at] news.sonic.net...
> James A. Wolf wrote:
> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060626/en_nm/arts_potter_plot_d c
> >
> >>LONDON (Reuters) - Children's author J.K. Rowling has revealed that at
least two characters will die in the seventh and final installment of her
bestselling Harry Potter series, but was careful not to say who....
> >>
> >>Children and adults are expected to rush and buy the final Harry Potter
novel in their tens of millions when it is complete, and if the publication
of the sixth book is anything to go by, secrecy surrounding the plot will be
tight.
> >>
> >>Rowling has already said that the final chapter of the seventh book was
written long ago.
> >>
> >>"The final chapter is hidden away, although it's now changed very
slightly," she said in an interview broadcast on Monday on Britain's Channel
4. "One character got a reprieve, but I have to say two die that I didn't
intend to die."
> >
> >
> >
> > Hmmm. So who snuffs it? My moeny is on Mr. Weasley and Draco. What
> > say you?
>
> Harry and Voldemort. Ron gets a reprieve.


Oh no - it sounds like it's gonna be a blood bath!!!!

I'm guessing Voldy's got to go (he's just gone way too far to be reprieved),
possibly Harry (well, he's a horcrux, isn't he *ducks*)

So are the two recent additions? I'm guessing they can't be that fundamental
to the plot for JKR to terminate them almost-by-accident, as it were. Can
they??? Lucius, perhaps, and Lupin (don't know why, but JKR does seem to
have a drawn a tragic character there).

Now, I'm sure there must be tried and tested formulae for these sorts of
things: eg in movies, the baddie who suddenly turns good at the very end
usually cops it, so that's Snape done for: he achieves his redemption
through his own sacrifice. Or could that be Draco's role, and hence the
change, so he does make it in the end?

But who are the other possibles in that formula, besides the
baddy-turns-good?

DaveD
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291515 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 00:38
Magic_mom  
Nahh not Lupin.. she's got to leave someone for Harry even if he will be
pretty much an adult himself by the end. I refuse to believe she will kill
off Harry. She did not hint in any way at al lthat seh was going to do that.
She simply said she admires those who can write that sort of plot. You know
how she loves to throw out those kinds of things to distract our attention..

My money is on a Weasley, probably Percy, as I have said before, he will die
saving at least one or more of his family, thus redeeming himself in death.
The other.. Possibly Draco, maybe he, also, while saving someone elses
life..
The ultimate *sacrifice in the name of good* would be Snape. Perhaps he will
be the one finally proven to be good, dying to save one or more.


M_m


"DaveD" <davedn1DELETE [at] THESEblueyonderBITS.co.uk> wrote in message
news:82Zng.488113$tc.276325 [at] fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> "duh" <nosoupforU [at] yoohoo.com> wrote in message
> news:44a031f9$0$65474$742ec2ed [at] news.sonic.net...
>> James A. Wolf wrote:
>> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060626/en_nm/arts_potter_plot_d c
>> >
>> >>LONDON (Reuters) - Children's author J.K. Rowling has revealed that at
> least two characters will die in the seventh and final installment of her
> bestselling Harry Potter series, but was careful not to say who....
>> >>
>> >>Children and adults are expected to rush and buy the final Harry Potter
> novel in their tens of millions when it is complete, and if the
> publication
> of the sixth book is anything to go by, secrecy surrounding the plot will
> be
> tight.
>> >>
>> >>Rowling has already said that the final chapter of the seventh book was
> written long ago.
>> >>
>> >>"The final chapter is hidden away, although it's now changed very
> slightly," she said in an interview broadcast on Monday on Britain's
> Channel
> 4. "One character got a reprieve, but I have to say two die that I didn't
> intend to die."
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hmmm. So who snuffs it? My moeny is on Mr. Weasley and Draco. What
>> > say you?
>>
>> Harry and Voldemort. Ron gets a reprieve.
>
>
> Oh no - it sounds like it's gonna be a blood bath!!!!
>
> I'm guessing Voldy's got to go (he's just gone way too far to be
> reprieved),
> possibly Harry (well, he's a horcrux, isn't he *ducks*)
>
> So are the two recent additions? I'm guessing they can't be that
> fundamental
> to the plot for JKR to terminate them almost-by-accident, as it were. Can
> they??? Lucius, perhaps, and Lupin (don't know why, but JKR does seem to
> have a drawn a tragic character there).
>
> Now, I'm sure there must be tried and tested formulae for these sorts of
> things: eg in movies, the baddie who suddenly turns good at the very end
> usually cops it, so that's Snape done for: he achieves his redemption
> through his own sacrifice. Or could that be Draco's role, and hence the
> change, so he does make it in the end?
>
> But who are the other possibles in that formula, besides the
> baddy-turns-good?
>
> DaveD
>
>
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291517 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 00:52
maxx2112  
Give me five galleons on Voldy and Snape.



- Max -
=======
My vision would turn your world upside down,
tear asunder your illusions and send the
sanctuary of your own ignorance crashing
down around you. - Huey Freeman
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291526 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 01:05
devnull  
Max C. Webster III wrote:

> Give me five galleons on Voldy and Snape.

For sure she isn't counting Voldy?

--
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Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291527 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 01:05
Taunto  
Magic_Mom wrote:
> Nahh not Lupin.. she's got to leave someone for Harry even if he will be
> pretty much an adult himself by the end. I refuse to believe she will kill
> off Harry. She did not hint in any way at al lthat seh was going to do that.
> She simply said she admires those who can write that sort of plot. You know
> how she loves to throw out those kinds of things to distract our attention..

She has consistently said Harry may not survive. Yea, you don't want to
spoil an ending by giving it away, but she has consistently said this,
before this particular article.
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291528 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 01:08
Taunto  
DaveD wrote:
> "duh" <nosoupforU [at] yoohoo.com> wrote in message
> news:44a031f9$0$65474$742ec2ed [at] news.sonic.net...
>
>>James A. Wolf wrote:
>>
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060626/en_nm/arts_potter_plot_d c
>>>
>>>
>>>>LONDON (Reuters) - Children's author J.K. Rowling has revealed that at
>
> least two characters will die in the seventh and final installment of her
> bestselling Harry Potter series, but was careful not to say who....
>
>>>>Children and adults are expected to rush and buy the final Harry Potter
>
> novel in their tens of millions when it is complete, and if the publication
> of the sixth book is anything to go by, secrecy surrounding the plot will be
> tight.
>
>>>>Rowling has already said that the final chapter of the seventh book was
>
> written long ago.
>
>>>>"The final chapter is hidden away, although it's now changed very
>
> slightly," she said in an interview broadcast on Monday on Britain's Channel
> 4. "One character got a reprieve, but I have to say two die that I didn't
> intend to die."
>
>>>
>>>
>>>Hmmm. So who snuffs it? My moeny is on Mr. Weasley and Draco. What
>>>say you?
>>
>>Harry and Voldemort. Ron gets a reprieve.
>
>
>
> Oh no - it sounds like it's gonna be a blood bath!!!!
>
> I'm guessing Voldy's got to go (he's just gone way too far to be reprieved),
> possibly Harry (well, he's a horcrux, isn't he *ducks*)

Harry, the horcrux, dies. But gets thrown back in a space-time
continuum rift caused by Fawkes eating a time-turner, uh....well, never
mind.
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291530 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 01:21
devnull  
Jano wrote:

> Max C. Webster III wrote:
>
>> Give me five galleons on Voldy and Snape.
>
> For sure she isn't counting Voldy?

But is possibly counting DD, which in her original plans was badly wounded
and in hiding. Muahahaha.

--
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Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291531 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 00:57
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
The Straw wrote:

>>> "The final chapter is hidden away, although it's now changed very
>>> slightly," she said in an interview broadcast on Monday on Britain's
>>> Channel 4. "One character got a reprieve, but I have to say two die
>>> that I didn't intend to die."

>> Hmmm. So who snuffs it? My moeny is on Mr. Weasley and Draco.

> Harry and Ron because they both rose from the table at the same time
> in PoA and "when thirteen dine together the first to rise will be the
> first to die" (228) and harry and ron both rose together...

That was false, since Dumbledore was the first at the table to die.

My money is on Tonks & Luna to die, since Rowling doesn't wish them
a happy birthday - and Draco to be reprieved, since Rowling does.


Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen

--
Free Margaret Blaine now!
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291533 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 01:56
drusilla  
angrie.woman escribió:
>
>>
>
> Snape and Mrs. Weasely. Hermoine got the reprieve.

what's "reprieve"?
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291534 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 01:58
drusilla  
Flavius Marcus Septimus Agustus escribió:
> James A. Wolf <jamesawolf [at] comcast.net> wrote in
> news:31c0a21mkt732783lgsc7jnv39artkh2m1 [at] 4ax.com:
>
>> Hmmm. So who snuffs it? My moeny is on Mr. Weasley and Draco.
>> What say you?
>
> Well, first off, are you including Harry or not in the "two"? Is it Harry plus two or Harry as one of the two?
>

I think is Harry + 2 more.

Anyway: Narcissa and/or Molly.
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291541 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 02:18
devnull  
drusilla wrote:

> angrie.woman escribió:
>>
>>>
>>
>> Snape and Mrs. Weasely. Hermoine got the reprieve.
>
> what's "reprieve"?

Indulto.

--
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Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291554 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 04:25
dicconf  
In article <bffpds.57896956185718 [at] raxacoricofallapatoria>,
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen <bffpds [at] raxacoricofallapatoria> wrote:
>The Straw wrote:
>
>>>> "The final chapter is hidden away, although it's now changed very
>>>> slightly," she said in an interview broadcast on Monday on Britain's
>>>> Channel 4. "One character got a reprieve, but I have to say two die
>>>> that I didn't intend to die."
>
>>> Hmmm. So who snuffs it? My moeny is on Mr. Weasley and Draco.
>
>> Harry and Ron because they both rose from the table at the same time
>> in PoA and "when thirteen dine together the first to rise will be the
>> first to die" (228) and harry and ron both rose together...
>
>That was false, since Dumbledore was the first at the table to die.

Wasn't Ron carrying Scabbers in his pocket at the time? So there were 14 anyway.

>My money is on Tonks & Luna to die, since Rowling doesn't wish them
>a happy birthday - and Draco to be reprieved, since Rowling does.

At least that's based on some sort of evidence...
I'm expecting Luna to die, and Fudge, along with a lot of random MoM staff
who trusted the stuff the Twins sold them.

=Tamar
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291561 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 05:14
marli_0000  
James A. Wolf wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060626/en_nm/arts_potter_plot_d c
>
> Hmmm. So who snuffs it? My moeny is on Mr. Weasley and Draco. What
> say you?
> --
Trelawney's prophecy said that either Harry or Voldemort would die, but
I woudn't put it past JKR to kill them both, prophecy or no.

I read somewhere that one of her favorite books was Dickens' David
Copperfield, and in that one, the title character dies at the end of
the book.

Though I'd like to see Snape and all the Malfoys snuff it, my money's
on at least one beloved character (besides Harry), and probably several
other, not necessarily likable characters (i.e. Percy) that she hasn't
mentioned.

I'm expecting her to kill a lot more than 2 characters- in the last
book---who will want to write HP fanfic any more when all of our
favorite characters have gone to that great Quidditch pitch in the
hereafter?

If I weren't so broke, I'd be buying stock in Kleenex right now.

Marli
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291565 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 05:39
Weird Beard  
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:56:42 GMT, drusilla <me [at] me.net> wrote the following
in alt.fan.harry-potter:

> angrie.woman escribió:
>>
>>>
>>
>> Snape and Mrs. Weasely. Hermoine got the reprieve.
>
> what's "reprieve"?

It means a cancellation of a punishment, like a pardon. In this case it
means that someone who was going to die in an early story draft isn't
anymore.

--
"It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that certain je-ne-sais-quoi."
Peter Schickele
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291570 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 06:29
Taunto  
marli_0000 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
> James A. Wolf wrote:
>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060626/en_nm/arts_potter_plot_d c
>>
>>Hmmm. So who snuffs it? My moeny is on Mr. Weasley and Draco. What
>>say you?
>>--
>
> Trelawney's prophecy said that either Harry or Voldemort would die, but
> I woudn't put it past JKR to kill them both, prophecy or no.
>
> I read somewhere that one of her favorite books was Dickens' David
> Copperfield, and in that one, the title character dies at the end of
> the book.

I said weeks ago that killing Harry would put this series squarely into
the realm of classic literature.
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291602 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 10:50
dsueme  
James A. Wolf quothe:

> >LONDON (Reuters) - Children's author J.K. Rowling has revealed that at least two characters will die in the seventh and final installment of her bestselling Harry Potter series, but was careful not to say who....

HAVANA (AP) - Macho dude book author Ernest Hemmingway has revealed
that at least one character will die in his upcoming book... "It might
be an old man. It might be a fish, hell, it might be me! Where is
that shotgun..."

STRATFORD ON AVON - Struggling playwrite William Shakespeare has
reveald that at least one and possibly two main characters may die in
his upcoming banned in Boston epic about Italian pre-teens and carnal
lust. "It might the the male love interest, it might be the female...
yeah, right, I write 'tragedies' - that means you can count on mostly
everyone dying..."

Is it just me, or does it occur to anyone else that this continual
dropping of hints amounts to a rather immature demand for constant
attention on the part of JK Rowling? Can you think of any other major
literary figure who did something similar?

Not counting Mohammed.

Dave
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291613 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 14:20
Jonathan Ellis  
<straw.the [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151352001.696172.289360 [at] c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > >"The final chapter is hidden away, although it's now changed very
slightly," she said in an interview broadcast on Monday on Britain's
Channel 4. "One character got a reprieve, but I have to say two die
that I didn't intend to die."
> >
> >
> > Hmmm. So who snuffs it? My moeny is on Mr. Weasley and Draco.
What
> > say you?
>
> Harry and Ron because they both rose from the table at the same time
in
> PoA and "when thirteen dine together the first to rise will be the
> first to die" (228) and harry and ron both rose together...

But Dumbledore was also at that table... and he's died before either
Harry or Ron. Perhaps Trelawney missed something?

Jonathan.
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291627 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 16:21
wadkin2000  
Jonathan Ellis wrote:
> <straw.the [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1151352001.696172.289360 [at] c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > > >"The final chapter is hidden away, although it's now changed very
> slightly," she said in an interview broadcast on Monday on Britain's
> Channel 4. "One character got a reprieve, but I have to say two die
> that I didn't intend to die."
> > >
> > >
> > > Hmmm. So who snuffs it? My moeny is on Mr. Weasley and Draco.
> What
> > > say you?
> >
> > Harry and Ron because they both rose from the table at the same time
> in
> > PoA and "when thirteen dine together the first to rise will be the
> > first to die" (228) and harry and ron both rose together...
>
> But Dumbledore was also at that table... and he's died before either
> Harry or Ron. Perhaps Trelawney missed something?
>
> Jonathan.


I think to a certain extent, it also depends on whom JK considers
"main" characters. She is extremely adept at obfuscating her
intentions. She did say in past interviews that there were going to be
deaths in the final book, so I guess the two she mentioned recently are
in addition to those. I'd love to know which character got the
"reprieve".
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291640 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 19:04
plodma  
Rowling emphasizes in her comments the slightness of her changes from
her original intention. Two additional deaths of major characters
however would appear to be a substantial change. To reconcile her
comment with her revision, I suggest Fred and George: they make up two,
but are as if only one person (do they ever appear individually or
separately from their twin in the series?); as raffish pranksters they
are much beloved, and yet not so central to the main story line that
their deaths could require or result in substantial changes to it,
except as atonements for evil.

The reprieve belongs to Snape. I think Rowling had intended him to die
in the act of saving Harry, leaving him a bequest of guilt as a frame
to the moral lesson that even people you dislike and detest are capable
of exemplary good. Now Snape will live, presenting Harry with the
constant living reminder that people you dislike and detest are capable
of exemplary good. In his wildest dreams Snape could imagine no better
revenge on James, that the hated shoe be on the other's foot, and that
his son--and through him, the whole wizarding community--should owe
their lives to him and have to thank him every day of his life for
their salvation. To that, Order of Merlin First-Class will be the very
finest but minor frosting. Snape will get a supremely happy ending: I
look forward to it.

David Joslin
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291641 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 19:06
drusilla  
Jano escribió:
> drusilla wrote:
>
>> angrie.woman escribió:
>>> Snape and Mrs. Weasely. Hermoine got the reprieve.
>> what's "reprieve"?
>
> Indulto.
>

Thanks. Then Snape got the reprieve :)
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291670 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 22:01
cwlNO  
In article <1151427857.574135.284420 [at] m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
plodma [at] hotmail.com wrote:

>Rowling emphasizes in her comments the slightness of her changes from
>her original intention. Two additional deaths of major characters
>however would appear to be a substantial change. To reconcile her
>comment with her revision, I suggest Fred and George: they make up two,
>but are as if only one person (do they ever appear individually or
>separately from their twin in the series?); as raffish pranksters they
>are much beloved, and yet not so central to the main story line that
>their deaths could require or result in substantial changes to it,
>except as atonements for evil.
>
>The reprieve belongs to Snape. I think Rowling had intended him to die
>in the act of saving Harry, leaving him a bequest of guilt as a frame
>to the moral lesson that even people you dislike and detest are capable
>of exemplary good. Now Snape will live, presenting Harry with the
>constant living reminder that people you dislike and detest are capable
>of exemplary good. In his wildest dreams Snape could imagine no better
>revenge on James, that the hated shoe be on the other's foot, and that
>his son--and through him, the whole wizarding community--should owe
>their lives to him and have to thank him every day of his life for
>their salvation. To that, Order of Merlin First-Class will be the very
>finest but minor frosting. Snape will get a supremely happy ending: I
>look forward to it.

Welcome to the "SNAPE IS NOT EVIL!!!" club!

Blon will take the freedom of adding your name to the list.
--
Chris
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291681 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 23:00
Angrie.Woman  
Taunto wrote:
> Magic_Mom wrote:
>> Nahh not Lupin.. she's got to leave someone for Harry even if he will
>> be pretty much an adult himself by the end. I refuse to believe she
>> will kill off Harry. She did not hint in any way at al lthat seh was
>> going to do that. She simply said she admires those who can write that
>> sort of plot. You know how she loves to throw out those kinds of
>> things to distract our attention..
>
> She has consistently said Harry may not survive. Yea, you don't want to
> spoil an ending by giving it away, but she has consistently said this,
> before this particular article.

If you go way back to the beginning though, on the Rosie O'Donell show
she said that "good always trimumphs over evil." Coupled with the fact
that she is writing childrens books, I don't thnk she'll kill off Harry.

If she does, my son will be devastated. I don't think she'll do that to
my son.
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291683 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 23:00
Angrie.Woman  
drusilla wrote:
> angrie.woman escribió:
>>
>>>
>>
>> Snape and Mrs. Weasely. Hermoine got the reprieve.
>
> what's "reprieve"?

She said that one character was originally going to die but now didn't.
I'm betting it was Hermione.
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291684 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 23:00
Angrie.Woman  
David Sueme wrote:

>
> Is it just me, or does it occur to anyone else that this continual
> dropping of hints amounts to a rather immature demand for constant
> attention on the part of JK Rowling?

I don't care what it is - I love it.
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291692 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 23:00
daryl.gibson  
> I read somewhere that one of her favorite books was Dickens' David
> Copperfield, and in that one, the title character dies at the end of
> the book.

Copperfield does not die at the end of the book, but instead lives
happily ever after, with the woman who has loved him all of the time
she has known him:

---------cut here-------------
And now, as I close my task, subduing my desire to linger yet, these
faces fade away. But one face, shining on me like a Heavenly light by
which I see all other objects, is above them and beyond them all. And
that remains.

I turn my head, and see it, in its beautiful serenity, beside me.

My lamp burns low, and I have written far into the night; but the dear
presence, without which I were nothing, bears me company.

O Agnes, O my soul, so may thy face be by me when I close my life
indeed; so may I, when realities are melting from me, like the shadows
which I now dismiss, still find thee near me, pointing upward!
------------cut here-----------

If Harry Potter is indeed modeled on Copperfield, like you suggest,
this would indicate he would live happily ever after with Ginny.

Daryl
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #291694 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 23:00
Weird Beard  
On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 08:50:15 GMT, "David Sueme" <dsueme [at] comcast.net>
wrote the following in alt.fan.harry-potter:


>
> Is it just me, or does it occur to anyone else that this continual
> dropping of hints amounts to a rather immature demand for constant
> attention on the part of JK Rowling?

IMO, it's mostly you and for personal reasons we won't go into right now.

Getting back to Harry Potter, yes you and I and many others don't need JKR
to tells us that, for the fourth book in a row, someone will die. But there
will be people who will read it thinking that the conclusion to the epic
struggle between waring wizards will be bright and sunshiny because its a
childrens book and childrens books are *always* bright and sunshiny. This
is warning them that it won't. Of course, maqny of them will be too stupid
to pay attention. I mean, I've seen complaints on Amazon about A Series of
Unfortunate Events having too many unfortunate things happening in them.

If it makes you feel better, think of this interview as the warning on your
toaster telling you not to take baths with it and accept it as a neccesary
evil.

> Can you think of any other major
> literary figure who did something similar?

Lemony Snicket usually has a letter to the editor with hints to the next
book, *and* "warning labels" on the current book. R.L. Stine, Katherine
Applegate often have sample chapters of the next book.

Not to mention every single time you go to a movie and they show you what
movie you should have seen instead.
--
"It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that certain je-ne-sais-quoi."
Peter Schickele
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #292126 ] Mi, 28 Juni 2006 01:34
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
Tamar RE wrote:

> Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen wrote:

>> The Straw wrote:

>>>>> "The final chapter is hidden away, although it's now changed very
>>>>> slightly," she said in an interview broadcast on Monday on Britain's
>>>>> Channel 4. "One character got a reprieve, but I have to say two die
>>>>> that I didn't intend to die."

>>>> Hmmm. So who snuffs it? My moeny is on Mr. Weasley and Draco.

>>> Harry and Ron because they both rose from the table at the same time
>>> in PoA and "when thirteen dine together the first to rise will be the
>>> first to die" (228) and harry and ron both rose together...

>> That was false, since Dumbledore was the first at the table to die.

> Wasn't Ron carrying Scabbers in his pocket at the time? So there were 14
> anyway.

Harry couldn't help feeling that unless Scabbers had powers he had never
revealed, he was reaching the end of his life (a neat clue); and then the
narrative moved on to Christmas morning, with Ronald still fuming about
Crookshanks attempting to eat Scabbers. The natural ~assumption~ is that
the boy would keep his rat with him, but I can find no further mention
of the animal from that point up to the end of the chapter.

I still want to know the significance of Derek & the chipolatas.


>> My money is on Tonks & Luna to die, since Rowling doesn't wish them
>> a happy birthday - and Draco to be reprieved, since Rowling does.

> At least that's based on some sort of evidence...

Thanks, though I'd be delighted to be proved wrong.


> I'm expecting Luna to die, and Fudge, along with a lot of random MoM
> staff who trusted the stuff the Twins sold them.

Ooh. At least my Birthday Wish theory means that Harry survives.


Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen

--
Free Margaret Blaine now!
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #292128 ] Mi, 28 Juni 2006 01:37
Blon Fel Fotch Passam  
David Sueme wrote:

> Is it just me, or does it occur to anyone else that this continual
> dropping of hints amounts to a rather immature demand for constant
> attention on the part of JK Rowling? Can you think of any other major
> literary figure who did something similar?

I think you're overlooking the popularity of and affection for Rowling
& her characters, and the immediacy of modern communications.


Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen

--
Free Margaret Blaine now!
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #292133 ] Mi, 28 Juni 2006 01:44
wadkin2000  
drusilla wrote:
> Jano escribi=F3:
> > drusilla wrote:
> >
> >> angrie.woman escribi=F3:
> >>> Snape and Mrs. Weasely. Hermoine got the reprieve.
> >> what's "reprieve"?
> >
> > Indulto.
> >
>
> Thanks. Then Snape got the reprieve :)


Oh God, I only wish, but unfortunately I think our beloved potions
master is not long for this world. IMO, Severus will not make it to the
end of book seven. He will unfortunately die after giving his life to
save Harry's because he's "damned if he does" and "damned if he
doesn't"!
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #292135 ] Mi, 28 Juni 2006 01:46
Magic_mom  
"angrie.woman" <angrie.woman [at] ggmail.com> wrote in message
news:e7s73a$bfo$1 [at] nntp.aioe.org...
> Taunto wrote:
>> Magic_Mom wrote:
>>> Nahh not Lupin.. she's got to leave someone for Harry even if he will be
>>> pretty much an adult himself by the end. I refuse to believe she will
>>> kill off Harry. She did not hint in any way at al lthat seh was going to
>>> do that. She simply said she admires those who can write that sort of
>>> plot. You know how she loves to throw out those kinds of things to
>>> distract our attention..
>>
>> She has consistently said Harry may not survive. Yea, you don't want to
>> spoil an ending by giving it away, but she has consistently said this,
>> before this particular article.
>
> If you go way back to the beginning though, on the Rosie O'Donell show she
> said that "good always trimumphs over evil." Coupled with the fact that
> she is writing childrens books, I don't thnk she'll kill off Harry.
>
> If she does, my son will be devastated. I don't think she'll do that to my
> son.

Not to mention the fact that she doesn't want many millions of fans pooling
money for a hitman. Also the fact that she still wants to write other books,
and what would it do to her future fanbase (AKA SALES figures) if she was
known for killing off the heros?

M_m
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #292147 ] Mi, 28 Juni 2006 02:14
Chip Stobb  
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:57:38 BST, Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day
Slitheen <bffpds [at] raxacoricofallapatoria> wrote:

>The Straw wrote:
>
>>>> "The final chapter is hidden away, although it's now changed very
>>>> slightly," she said in an interview broadcast on Monday on Britain's
>>>> Channel 4. "One character got a reprieve, but I have to say two die
>>>> that I didn't intend to die."
>
>>> Hmmm. So who snuffs it? My moeny is on Mr. Weasley and Draco.
>
>> Harry and Ron because they both rose from the table at the same time
>> in PoA and "when thirteen dine together the first to rise will be the
>> first to die" (228) and harry and ron both rose together...
>
>That was false, since Dumbledore was the first at the table to die.
>
>My money is on Tonks & Luna to die, since Rowling doesn't wish them
>a happy birthday - and Draco to be reprieved, since Rowling does.
>
>
>Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen

Voldy was a goner anyway. Remember - good ALWAYS triumphs over evil.
And as this IS a children's book, the hero ALWAYS lives. So Harry
will survive - however banged up the final battle will leave him.

JKR stated that 'people will be disappointed' - this leads me to
believe that the two who are now going to die will be on the 'good'
side. By the process of elimination this takes away Snape, Draco,
Lucius, Narcissa, and the rest of that crowd.

The two unlucky ones are also 'main' characters. This leaves us in a
gray area as JKR is somewhat unclear at times on who is a 'main'
character versus who could be considered to be a secondary character.
For example, where does Percy Weasley fit in? While he was at
Hogwarts he was mentioned a lot more. But as he broke with his family
and chose to side with the MOM over them, he has fallen in importance
to the story line. But as a member of the Weasley family he still
shares in their plot significance to a degree.

My money is on Fred & George to die, and Hagrid to be the one who was
reprieved.

- Chip

"Ignorance is bliss, and we're in Nirvana." - C. Stobb
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #292163 ] Mi, 28 Juni 2006 04:07
Andrea Baker  
Well, what she actually said was that two characters she hadn't planned
to die were going to die, and one gets a reprieve. Since she probably
had a significant amount of carnage planned anyway, I think this means
that we're going to be reading about a veritable blood-bath.

My bets on who is going to bite the big one:


Voldepants
Snape
Lupin
Tonks
Hagrid
Percy
Hermione
Ron
Mr. Ollivander
Bellatrix
Peter Pettigrew (who will sacrifice himself for Harry)
Kreacher
Dobby


-Andrea




James A. Wolf wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060626/en_nm/arts_potter_plot_d c
>
>
>
>
> >LONDON (Reuters) - Children's author J.K. Rowling has revealed that at least two characters will die in the seventh and final installment of her bestselling Harry Potter series, but was careful not to say who....
> >
> >Children and adults are expected to rush and buy the final Harry Potter novel in their tens of millions when it is complete, and if the publication of the sixth book is anything to go by, secrecy surrounding the plot will be tight.
> >
> >Rowling has already said that the final chapter of the seventh book was written long ago.
> >
> >"The final chapter is hidden away, although it's now changed very slightly," she said in an interview broadcast on Monday on Britain's Channel 4. "One character got a reprieve, but I have to say two die that I didn't intend to die."
>
>
> Hmmm. So who snuffs it? My moeny is on Mr. Weasley and Draco. What
> say you?
> --
>
> <*> James A. Wolf - jamesawolf [at] comcast.net <*>
>
> "The jawbone of an ass is | |They see threats and perils every-
> just as dangerous a weapon| | where except where there are, you
> today as in Samson's time | | know, threats and perils.
> Richard M. Nixon | | James Lileks
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #292164 ] Mi, 28 Juni 2006 04:08
The Magic Engineer  
"Chip Stobb" <stobb [at] usa.com> wrote in message
news:qqh3a292ebev031ffg3qfnrq1gjda7gerd [at] 4ax.com...

[snip]

> The two unlucky ones are also 'main' characters. This leaves us in a
> gray area as JKR is somewhat unclear at times on who is a 'main'
> character versus who could be considered to be a secondary character.
> For example, where does Percy Weasley fit in? While he was at
> Hogwarts he was mentioned a lot more. But as he broke with his family
> and chose to side with the MOM over them, he has fallen in importance
> to the story line. But as a member of the Weasley family he still
> shares in their plot significance to a degree.
>
> My money is on Fred & George to die, and Hagrid to be the one who was
> reprieved.

My money is on Ginny and Hagrid, Neville gets the reprieve.

Why?

As was mentioned before, Hagrid is, outside of the Trio, Harry's
best (and oldest) wizarding friend. He'll go down in a blaze of glory
fighting DE while Harry & co. go after Voldemort. Ginny will be the
tipping point in Harry's final confrontation, the trigger that will unlock
his full potential as a wizard. He'll do things out of reflex like a pro,
come up with spells and jinxes that haven't seen the light of day in
decades, and with all that pent-up fury at seeing Ginny go, take
down Voldemort.

Neville will get the reprieve because he was linked to the prophecy,
and he'll be in Voldemort's eyes, 'useless', so why bother killing him?
He's much to weak as a wizard anyway, will be his thoughts. Not worth
the effort even to make sure that the prophecy doesn't come to pass.

But like everything else here, it's just my opinion.

I will say this though - for those who watch 'The Simpsons' and
remember the episodes of 'Who Shot Mr. Burns?', I pegged it from
the end of the episode that it was Maggie. Why? Gotta think like a
Simpsons' writer.

Think like a writer who's about to write something extremely heroic
and in the final book. This will give the clues as to who goes and
doesn't.

The Magic Engineer
Re: The HP Death Pool in now open! [message #292167 ] Mi, 28 Juni 2006 04:44
jamesawolf  
wadkin2000 [at] yahoo.com wrote:

>
>drusilla wrote:
>> Jano escribió:
>> > drusilla wrote:
>> >
>> >> angrie.woman escribió:
>> >>> Snape and Mrs. Weasely. Hermoine got the reprieve.
>> >> what's "reprieve"?
>> >
>> > Indulto.
>> >
>>
>> Thanks. Then Snape got the reprieve :)
>
>
>Oh God, I only wish, but unfortunately I think our beloved potions
>master is not long for this world. IMO, Severus will not make it to the
>end of book seven. He will unfortunately die after giving his life to
>save Harry's because he's "damned if he does" and "damned if he
>doesn't"!


The more I think about it, the more I concur. Draco is the one who
got the call from the Governor's office. Snape is still toast. He
can only be redeemed through dying nobly and the smart money is having
him surprise us by not surprising us... or was that contradictory?
--

<*> James A. Wolf - jamesawolf [at] comcast.net <*>

"The jawbone of an ass is | |They see threats and perils every-
just as dangerous a weapon| | where except where there are, you
today as in Samson's time | | know, threats and perils.
Richard M. Nixon | | James Lileks
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