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Science Fiction » alt.fan.starwars » Dark Side of the force
| Dark Side of the force [message #290991] |
Mo, 26 Juni 2006 19:27 |
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| Re: Dark Side of the force [message #290992 ] |
Mo, 26 Juni 2006 21:30 |
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Because they posted in HTML and were immediately PLONKed...
"Guest" <llcoolj [at] comcast.com> wrote in message
news:bOUng.53675$fb2.2365 [at] newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
In the prequels, if the Jedi did not know that the Sith was right under
their noses, why would they talk about the dark side? Why would Mace say
that "the dark side surrounds(?) the chancellor?" That and others are too
many specific comments for something that they do not know about or should
not have on their minds.
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| Re: Dark Side of the force [message #290994 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 01:12 |
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Guest wrote:
> In the prequels, if the Jedi did not know that the Sith was right under their noses, why would they talk about the dark side? Why would Mace say that "the dark side surrounds(?) the chancellor?" That and others are too many specific comments for something that they do not know about or should not have on their minds.
All they knew is that it was hard to read the force and that it was
hardest to read things around the chancellor.
There were bad things happening, so it was assumed that the dark side
had an influence somewhere, but the jedi probably suspected someone
close to the chancellor, not the chancellor himself.
There are many other types of dark-side force users who are NOT sith.
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| Re: Dark Side of the force [message #290998 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 20:18 |
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"Gavo Fett" <gavin.bollard [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151363555.123650.212630 [at] p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
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> Guest wrote:
>
>> In the prequels, if the Jedi did not know that the Sith was right under
>> their noses, why would they talk about the dark side? Why would Mace say
>> that "the dark side surrounds(?) the chancellor?" That and others are
>> too many specific comments for something that they do not know about or
>> should not have on their minds.
>
> All they knew is that it was hard to read the force and that it was
> hardest to read things around the chancellor.
>
> There were bad things happening, so it was assumed that the dark side
> had an influence somewhere, but the jedi probably suspected someone
> close to the chancellor, not the chancellor himself.
>
> There are many other types of dark-side force users who are NOT sith.
>
But if they did not know about the Sith being there and could not feel a
thing from Palpatine, why would they even speak of a dark side, the
prophecies or the Sith? From al of their comments, you would think that
they had all of the answers.
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| Re: Dark Side of the force [message #291000 ] |
Di, 27 Juni 2006 21:42 |
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"Guest" <llcoolj [at] comcast.com> wrote in message
news:hEeog.73491$4L1.29397 [at] newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
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> "Gavo Fett" <gavin.bollard [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1151363555.123650.212630 [at] p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
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>> Guest wrote:
>>
>>> In the prequels, if the Jedi did not know that the Sith was right under
>>> their noses, why would they talk about the dark side? Why would Mace
>>> say that "the dark side surrounds(?) the chancellor?" That and others
>>> are too many specific comments for something that they do not know about
>>> or should not have on their minds.
>>
>> All they knew is that it was hard to read the force and that it was
>> hardest to read things around the chancellor.
>>
>> There were bad things happening, so it was assumed that the dark side
>> had an influence somewhere, but the jedi probably suspected someone
>> close to the chancellor, not the chancellor himself.
>>
>> There are many other types of dark-side force users who are NOT sith.
>>
>
> But if they did not know about the Sith being there and could not feel a
> thing from Palpatine, why would they even speak of a dark side, the
> prophecies or the Sith? From al of their comments, you would think that
> they had all of the answers.
>
With Anakin in their midst reminding them of "The Prophecy", they were
likely being mindful of many things.
Discussions of the Dark Side and The Sith was simply more relevant to the
story plot line.
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| Re: Dark Side of the force [message #292322 ] |
Do, 29 Juni 2006 00:17 |
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> But if they did not know about the Sith being there and could not feel a
> thing from Palpatine, why would they even speak of a dark side, the
> prophecies or the Sith? From al of their comments, you would think that
> they had all of the answers.
They felt that the Sith could be there because....
1. Darth Maul was a sith (they didn't know if he was the master or the
apprentice).
2. Presumably they decided that Darth Tryranus (Count Dooku) was the
Sith Master at the end of Episode 2 - and he was still at large,
(possibly recruiting an apprentice).
Clouding is a Jedi/Sith skill... but to cloud the minds of the entire
Jedi council is not a light side thing, it must have been the dark
side.
The prophecies and balance of the force had been called into question
because of Anakin. For all Yoda and Mace's complaints, they knew, from
his midi-chlorian count, that he was something else.... Given that the
dark side seemed stronger than ever (I've forgotten the quote in EP1
stating how long since the last Sith was reported), I'd say it was a
pretty good guess that the prophecy was being "activated".
Also - don't forget that Jedi have some limited ability to see the
future and that they may have seen some things before, or despite, the
clouding.
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| Re: Dark Side of the force [message #292326 ] |
Do, 29 Juni 2006 07:24 |
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"Gavo Fett" <gavin.bollard [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151533025.176014.96200 [at] j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> But if they did not know about the Sith being there and could not feel a
>> thing from Palpatine, why would they even speak of a dark side, the
>> prophecies or the Sith? From al of their comments, you would think that
>> they had all of the answers.
>
> They felt that the Sith could be there because....
>
> 1. Darth Maul was a sith (they didn't know if he was the master or the
> apprentice).
They did not know that he was a Sith at the time...
> 2. Presumably they decided that Darth Tryranus (Count Dooku) was the
> Sith Master at the end of Episode 2 - and he was still at large,
> (possibly recruiting an apprentice).
>
> Clouding is a Jedi/Sith skill... but to cloud the minds of the entire
> Jedi council is not a light side thing, it must have been the dark
> side.
If you do not know what is going on, how would you know that your mind is
clouded?
>
> The prophecies and balance of the force had been called into question
> because of Anakin. For all Yoda and Mace's complaints, they knew, from
> his midi-chlorian count, that he was something else.... Given that the
> dark side seemed stronger than ever (I've forgotten the quote in EP1
> stating how long since the last Sith was reported), I'd say it was a
> pretty good guess that the prophecy was being "activated".
>
> Also - don't forget that Jedi have some limited ability to see the
> future and that they may have seen some things before, or despite, the
> clouding.
>
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| Re: Dark Side of the force [message #292332 ] |
Do, 29 Juni 2006 23:59 |
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Guest wrote:
> > They felt that the Sith could be there because....
> >
> > 1. Darth Maul was a sith (they didn't know if he was the master or the
> > apprentice).
>
> They did not know that he was a Sith at the time...
>
SW: TPM
QUI-GON
...my only conclusion can be that it
was a Sith Lord.
MACE WINDU
A Sith Lord?!?
KI-ADI
Impossible! The Sith have been extinct
for a millenium.
YODA
The very Republic is threatened, if
involved the Sith are.
MACE WINDU
I do not believe they could have
returned without us knowing.
YODA
Hard to see, the dark side is.
Discover who this assassin is, we
must.
> > Clouding is a Jedi/Sith skill... but to cloud the minds of the entire
> > Jedi council is not a light side thing, it must have been the dark
> > side.
>
> If you do not know what is going on, how would you know that your mind is
> clouded?
My theory would be that it would be similar to say... the mapping
features on certain games (doom, neverwinter etc) where the map fills
in as you go around a level. For the Jedi, they'd be able to close
their eyes and "feel" the presence of others, particularly other Jedi
in Coruscant. If "dead" areas started appearing, they would call that
"clouding". The problem with this theory is that technically, the dead
centre of clouding would be the sith lord... So perhaps Palps was
able to cloud over a much larger area, or perhaps he had other
force-users who were strategically positioned to assist in clouding.
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| Re: Dark Side of the force [message #292333 ] |
Fr, 30 Juni 2006 06:02 |
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"Gavo Fett" <gavin.bollard [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151618378.695868.307590 [at] x69g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
>
> Guest wrote:
>> > They felt that the Sith could be there because....
>> >
>> > 1. Darth Maul was a sith (they didn't know if he was the master or the
>> > apprentice).
>>
>> They did not know that he was a Sith at the time...
>>
>
> SW: TPM
>
> QUI-GON
> ...my only conclusion can be that it
> was a Sith Lord.
>
> MACE WINDU
> A Sith Lord?!?
>
> KI-ADI
> Impossible! The Sith have been extinct
> for a millenium.
>
> YODA
> The very Republic is threatened, if
> involved the Sith are.
>
> MACE WINDU
> I do not believe they could have
> returned without us knowing.
>
> YODA
> Hard to see, the dark side is.
> Discover who this assassin is, we
> must.
>
Like I said, they did not know that he was a Sith at that time.
"QUI-GON:...my only conclusion can be that it was a Sith Lord." Sounds like
a guess to me.
>
>> > Clouding is a Jedi/Sith skill... but to cloud the minds of the entire
>> > Jedi council is not a light side thing, it must have been the dark
>> > side.
>>
>> If you do not know what is going on, how would you know that your mind is
>> clouded?
>
> My theory would be that it would be similar to say... the mapping
> features on certain games (doom, neverwinter etc) where the map fills
> in as you go around a level. For the Jedi, they'd be able to close
> their eyes and "feel" the presence of others, particularly other Jedi
> in Coruscant. If "dead" areas started appearing, they would call that
> "clouding". The problem with this theory is that technically, the dead
> centre of clouding would be the sith lord... So perhaps Palps was
> able to cloud over a much larger area, or perhaps he had other
> force-users who were strategically positioned to assist in clouding.
>
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