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Science Fiction » alt.startrek » J.J. Abrams, M:I III (Spoilers!)
| J.J. Abrams, M:I III (Spoilers!) [message #267954] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 11:00 |
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I saw M:I III yesterday with my wife and, being a Trekker, I took some
mental notes throughout the movie. I'll give Abrams credit for his
pace and for keeping the plot fairly easy to follow (unlike Brian De
Palma's M:I). A couple of times there were unnecessary close-ups of
things to remind us, the audience, that something was about to explode
and it was near the bad guys or what have you; I'm sure for the casual
movie goer who's only halfway paying attention those things are
helpful, but they suggest to the rest of us who are attentive that
perhaps we're smarter than the audience they expected to show up. If
that's part of how certain shots get made by Abrams, I want it said up
front that I don't want a dumbed down "Trek" movie! I know, I know:
"The Voyage Home" was the most successful "Trek" movie ever because
non-Trek fans could walk in and connect to it and enjoy it for what it
was, and the beancounters assume all Trek movies should be generic
enough for anyone to come see and enjoy, but note that "Voyage" did not
pander to that crowd. If you hadn't seen TWOK or TSFS, you would have
had no idea what the hell was up with the Resurrected Spock subplot,
for instance.
SPOILER ALERT
More importantly, my biggest problem with M:I III was that I thought
I'd seen most of the scenes in other movies. Ethan Hunt marries some
girl in this outing, but she has no idea what he really does for a
living until she's caught up in it herself. I can't recall what this
actress looked like or what her name is because the entire time I'm
recalling Jamie Lynn Curtis in "True Lies." There is a scene were Hunt
realizes his wife is a target and he races to the hospital where she
works, calling frantically on his cell phone all the way there, but
he's too late. I'm watching Tom Cruise, but I'm picturing Harrison
Ford in "Patriot Games." The villain (whose name escapes me at the
moment) is in custody being transported over a bridge where he is
sprung in broad daylight, triggering memories of "Licence to Kill."
Hunt's superior orders him confined, and he promptly escapes. Again,
007 was there first, most notably in "Die Another Day" where Bond also
breaks out of a medical facility. You get the idea.
If Abrams is making the next "Trek" movie because he's a fan, I would
caution him against revisiting previous "Trek" episodes and films too
often. I think that's what worked against Daniel Logan in "Nemesis."
There are all kinds of in-references to scenes in preceding "Trek" but
there's not much original material. The most original moments in
"Nemesis" were the Riker-Troi wedding and Picard crashing the
Enterprise into the Scimitar. Other moments that were supposed to be
poignant (Picard's toast to Data, the Enterprise/Scimitar battle) were
instead old hat. We've already seen a cloaked ship beat the hell out
of the Enterprise, we've seen Kirk kick Kruge to his death, we've seen
the crew mourn Spock but still end the movie smiling and we've even
heard the "Absent friends" toast. I don't want to walk into the next
"Star Trek" movie and feel like I've seen everything in it somewhere
else, and I doubt I'm in the minority on that subject.
Finally, I keep hearing that the idea is to give us a "revamping" of
the Trek universe by giving us a new starting point set sometime during
the TOS era. If Abrams wants to recast TOS characters, he'd best have
one hell of a casting director. Shatner, Nimoy, Kelley, et al are
entirely too established for just anyone to take over their roles.
This isn't James Bond or Batman, where the mythology has existed in so
many media and so many incarnations that an audience can accept most
anything they do with the role. The "Star Trek" characters originated
with those actors, and there has been only one incarnation of the
entire thing; all spin-offs exist under the same umbrella. I think the
box office returns have just about proven that when we as a society
follow certain actors as certain characters on TV for years and then
someone else is playing the same characters in a movie years later,
we're reluctant to go see the new version and we're generally not
missing much. If the masses feel like Abrams' "Trek" movie is just
another in the mode of, say, "Bewitched" or "The Dukes of Hazzard," I
don't think anyone will go see it except the hardcore fans.
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| Re: J.J. Abrams, M:I III (Spoilers!) [message #267965 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 23:05 |
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Trivia time: not only was Nimoy on the tv show, of course, the runner up for
the role of Spock, Martin Landau, was in it as well.
<minlshaw [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148461204.111858.188540 [at] j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I saw M:I III yesterday with my wife and, being a Trekker, I took some
> mental notes throughout the movie. I'll give Abrams credit for his
> pace and for keeping the plot fairly easy to follow (unlike Brian De
> Palma's M:I). A couple of times there were unnecessary close-ups of
> things to remind us, the audience, that something was about to explode
> and it was near the bad guys or what have you; I'm sure for the casual
> movie goer who's only halfway paying attention those things are
> helpful, but they suggest to the rest of us who are attentive that
> perhaps we're smarter than the audience they expected to show up. If
> that's part of how certain shots get made by Abrams, I want it said up
> front that I don't want a dumbed down "Trek" movie! I know, I know:
> "The Voyage Home" was the most successful "Trek" movie ever because
> non-Trek fans could walk in and connect to it and enjoy it for what it
> was, and the beancounters assume all Trek movies should be generic
> enough for anyone to come see and enjoy, but note that "Voyage" did not
> pander to that crowd. If you hadn't seen TWOK or TSFS, you would have
> had no idea what the hell was up with the Resurrected Spock subplot,
> for instance.
>
> SPOILER ALERT
>
> More importantly, my biggest problem with M:I III was that I thought
> I'd seen most of the scenes in other movies. Ethan Hunt marries some
> girl in this outing, but she has no idea what he really does for a
> living until she's caught up in it herself. I can't recall what this
> actress looked like or what her name is because the entire time I'm
> recalling Jamie Lynn Curtis in "True Lies." There is a scene were Hunt
> realizes his wife is a target and he races to the hospital where she
> works, calling frantically on his cell phone all the way there, but
> he's too late. I'm watching Tom Cruise, but I'm picturing Harrison
> Ford in "Patriot Games." The villain (whose name escapes me at the
> moment) is in custody being transported over a bridge where he is
> sprung in broad daylight, triggering memories of "Licence to Kill."
> Hunt's superior orders him confined, and he promptly escapes. Again,
> 007 was there first, most notably in "Die Another Day" where Bond also
> breaks out of a medical facility. You get the idea.
>
> If Abrams is making the next "Trek" movie because he's a fan, I would
> caution him against revisiting previous "Trek" episodes and films too
> often. I think that's what worked against Daniel Logan in "Nemesis."
> There are all kinds of in-references to scenes in preceding "Trek" but
> there's not much original material. The most original moments in
> "Nemesis" were the Riker-Troi wedding and Picard crashing the
> Enterprise into the Scimitar. Other moments that were supposed to be
> poignant (Picard's toast to Data, the Enterprise/Scimitar battle) were
> instead old hat. We've already seen a cloaked ship beat the hell out
> of the Enterprise, we've seen Kirk kick Kruge to his death, we've seen
> the crew mourn Spock but still end the movie smiling and we've even
> heard the "Absent friends" toast. I don't want to walk into the next
> "Star Trek" movie and feel like I've seen everything in it somewhere
> else, and I doubt I'm in the minority on that subject.
>
> Finally, I keep hearing that the idea is to give us a "revamping" of
> the Trek universe by giving us a new starting point set sometime during
> the TOS era. If Abrams wants to recast TOS characters, he'd best have
> one hell of a casting director. Shatner, Nimoy, Kelley, et al are
> entirely too established for just anyone to take over their roles.
> This isn't James Bond or Batman, where the mythology has existed in so
> many media and so many incarnations that an audience can accept most
> anything they do with the role. The "Star Trek" characters originated
> with those actors, and there has been only one incarnation of the
> entire thing; all spin-offs exist under the same umbrella. I think the
> box office returns have just about proven that when we as a society
> follow certain actors as certain characters on TV for years and then
> someone else is playing the same characters in a movie years later,
> we're reluctant to go see the new version and we're generally not
> missing much. If the masses feel like Abrams' "Trek" movie is just
> another in the mode of, say, "Bewitched" or "The Dukes of Hazzard," I
> don't think anyone will go see it except the hardcore fans.
>
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