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Science Fiction » alt.startrek » Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon
| Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249126] |
Sa, 29 April 2006 04:28 |
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I just checked TV.com. The Law & Order franchise currently has 647
aired episodes. The Star Trek franchise has a little over 700 aired
episodes and 10 movies (okay, V isn't canon).
I hate to say it, but it looks like, next season, the Law & Order canon
will surpass the Star Trek canon.
Mark Moore
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249128 ] |
Sa, 29 April 2006 04:44 |
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Once Upon A Time spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>I just checked TV.com. The Law & Order franchise currently has 647
>aired episodes. The Star Trek franchise has a little over 700 aired
>episodes and 10 movies (okay, V isn't canon).
>
>I hate to say it, but it looks like, next season, the Law & Order canon
>will surpass the Star Trek canon.
Will there be a warning sound when it's time to panic, or was that it?
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Captain Infinity
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249129 ] |
Sa, 29 April 2006 05:03 |
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On 28 Apr 2006 19:28:53 -0700, spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>I hate to say it, but it looks like, next season, the Law & Order canon
>will surpass the Star Trek canon.
Not gonna happen until there are X L&O feature films .. And, even if there
will be more L & O episodes than Trek episodes, why is there a problem? It's
not like either franchise is esteemed differently when it happens ..
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249133 ] |
Sa, 29 April 2006 07:06 |
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<spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1146277733.521896.322240 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> I just checked TV.com. The Law & Order franchise currently has 647
> aired episodes. The Star Trek franchise has a little over 700 aired
> episodes and 10 movies (okay, V isn't canon).
>
> I hate to say it, but it looks like, next season, the Law & Order canon
> will surpass the Star Trek canon.
will all the Star Trek geeks commit suicide when that happens?
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249137 ] |
Sa, 29 April 2006 15:10 |
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in article 4ok552p6hhvd2790ut5tt7pdk1fm7v8vgd [at] 4ax.com, Captain Infinity at
Infinity [at] captaininfinity.us wrote on 4/28/06 7:44 PM:
> Once Upon A Time spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> I just checked TV.com. The Law & Order franchise currently has 647
>> aired episodes. The Star Trek franchise has a little over 700 aired
>> episodes and 10 movies (okay, V isn't canon).
>>
>> I hate to say it, but it looks like, next season, the Law & Order canon
>> will surpass the Star Trek canon.
>
> Will there be a warning sound when it's time to panic, or was that it?
>
>
> **
> Captain Infinity
The warning sound was the horrible horrible theme to ENTERPRISE
It's been a loooooong time
Since any Trek sucked this baaad
It's been a looonnnng time
Since Star Trek fans were so saaaaad
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249138 ] |
Sa, 29 April 2006 15:23 |
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ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
> It's been a loooooong time
> Since any Trek sucked this baaad
How easily you forgot Voyager.
Mark Moore
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249139 ] |
Sa, 29 April 2006 18:49 |
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In article <2nl552l8vrag45hp4hr6b35lf82s3ruhs5 [at] 4ax.com>,
George Peatty <peattyg47-1230 [at] copper.net> wrote:
>On 28 Apr 2006 19:28:53 -0700, spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>I hate to say it, but it looks like, next season, the Law & Order canon
>>will surpass the Star Trek canon.
>
>Not gonna happen until there are X L&O feature films .. And, even if there
Hmmm, perhaps a series of "Law & Order: Borg"?
WE ARE THE BORG. YOU WILL BE CONVICTED. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249140 ] |
Sa, 29 April 2006 19:42 |
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George Peatty wrote:
> On 28 Apr 2006 19:28:53 -0700, spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com wrote:
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> >I hate to say it, but it looks like, next season, the Law & Order canon
> >will surpass the Star Trek canon.
>
> Not gonna happen until there are X L&O feature films
Uh, there's no need for that. 2 or 3 episodes count as 1 film.
Mark Moore
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249141 ] |
Sa, 29 April 2006 19:48 |
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me wrote:
> <spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1146277733.521896.322240 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > I just checked TV.com. The Law & Order franchise currently has 647
> > aired episodes. The Star Trek franchise has a little over 700 aired
> > episodes and 10 movies (okay, V isn't canon).
> >
> > I hate to say it, but it looks like, next season, the Law & Order canon
> > will surpass the Star Trek canon.
>
> will all the Star Trek geeks commit suicide when that happens?
No, they'll start wearing Jerry Orbach ears to their Law and Order
conventions.
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249142 ] |
Sa, 29 April 2006 20:37 |
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spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com wrote:
> I just checked TV.com. The Law & Order franchise currently has 647
> aired episodes. The Star Trek franchise has a little over 700 aired
> episodes and 10 movies (okay, V isn't canon).
>
> I hate to say it, but it looks like, next season, the Law & Order canon
> will surpass the Star Trek canon.
>
>
> Mark Moore
>
Really WEIRD program scheduling:
Law and Order SVU is coming to Sci-Fi channel May 4!!! 8-O
With all the fancy lab equipment on the CSI triplets, even that would be
a stretch, but Law and Order isn't remotely Sci-fi or Fantasy. Do you
think the executives at GE/NBC/Universal think it qualifies as horror?
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249143 ] |
Sa, 29 April 2006 21:47 |
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On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:37:09 -0400, RobertVA <Post [at] invalid.net> wrote:
>With all the fancy lab equipment on the CSI triplets, even that would be
>a stretch, but Law and Order isn't remotely Sci-fi or Fantasy.
Sure it is. You don't believe any of that crap happens in *real life*, do
you? ;)
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249144 ] |
Sa, 29 April 2006 22:07 |
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Of course, Law and Order has those little things, like quality acting, good
scripts and, dare I say it...EMMYS AWARDS THAT COUNT (not the ones for "Best
Nose Blower" or "Best Ear Wax Remover")
<spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1146277733.521896.322240 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> I just checked TV.com. The Law & Order franchise currently has 647
> aired episodes. The Star Trek franchise has a little over 700 aired
> episodes and 10 movies (okay, V isn't canon).
>
> I hate to say it, but it looks like, next season, the Law & Order canon
> will surpass the Star Trek canon.
>
>
> Mark Moore
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249160 ] |
So, 30 April 2006 12:34 |
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On 29 Apr 2006 10:48:42 -0700, zaryzary2003 [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>
>me wrote:
>> <spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1146277733.521896.322240 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> > I just checked TV.com. The Law & Order franchise currently has 647
>> > aired episodes. The Star Trek franchise has a little over 700 aired
>> > episodes and 10 movies (okay, V isn't canon).
>> >
>> > I hate to say it, but it looks like, next season, the Law & Order canon
>> > will surpass the Star Trek canon.
>>
>> will all the Star Trek geeks commit suicide when that happens?
>
>No, they'll start wearing Jerry Orbach ears to their Law and Order
>conventions.
What about his honker?
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| Star Trek: In Space, No One Can Hear You SUCK [message #249161 ] |
So, 30 April 2006 12:38 |
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On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:07:01 -0400, "Benjamin Pavsner"
<pavsnerp [at] bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Of course, Law and Order has those little things, like quality acting, good
>scripts and, dare I say it...EMMYS AWARDS THAT COUNT (not the ones for "Best
>Nose Blower" or "Best Ear Wax Remover")
><spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1146277733.521896.322240 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> I just checked TV.com. The Law & Order franchise currently has 647
>> aired episodes. The Star Trek franchise has a little over 700 aired
>> episodes and 10 movies (okay, V isn't canon).
>>
>> I hate to say it, but it looks like, next season, the Law & Order canon
>> will surpass the Star Trek canon.
>>
>>
>> Mark Moore
>>
>
Star Trek has ALWAYS been Barney in Space:"I love you, you love me..."
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249162 ] |
So, 30 April 2006 15:19 |
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"ANIM8Rfsk" <ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net> wrote in message
news:C078B3D8.79E6B%ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net...
> in article 4ok552p6hhvd2790ut5tt7pdk1fm7v8vgd [at] 4ax.com, Captain Infinity at
> Infinity [at] captaininfinity.us wrote on 4/28/06 7:44 PM:
>
>> Once Upon A Time spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I just checked TV.com. The Law & Order franchise currently has 647
>>> aired episodes. The Star Trek franchise has a little over 700 aired
>>> episodes and 10 movies (okay, V isn't canon).
>>>
>>> I hate to say it, but it looks like, next season, the Law & Order canon
>>> will surpass the Star Trek canon.
>>
>> Will there be a warning sound when it's time to panic, or was that it?
>>
>>
>> **
>> Captain Infinity
>
> The warning sound was the horrible horrible theme to ENTERPRISE
>
>
> It's been a loooooong time
> Since any Trek sucked this baaad
> It's been a looonnnng time
> Since Star Trek fans were so saaaaad
>
I've lost, I've lost, I've lost, faith
Faith from the staaaaaart!
-- Ken from Chicago (who gives towels to listeners to clean the blood from
their ears from being reminded of ST:E's theme song)
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249163 ] |
So, 30 April 2006 15:20 |
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<spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1146317030.850217.326220 [at] e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
>> It's been a loooooong time
>> Since any Trek sucked this baaad
>
> How easily you forgot Voyager.
>
>
> Mark Moore
VOY was light years ahead of ENT. There were numerous episodes of VOY that
still hold up as good as TNG or even as good as DS9--which underscored the
disappointment at the squandered potential.
-- Ken from Chicago
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249164 ] |
So, 30 April 2006 15:21 |
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<spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1146277733.521896.322240 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>I just checked TV.com. The Law & Order franchise currently has 647
> aired episodes. The Star Trek franchise has a little over 700 aired
> episodes and 10 movies (okay, V isn't canon).
>
> I hate to say it, but it looks like, next season, the Law & Order canon
> will surpass the Star Trek canon.
>
>
> Mark Moore
>
Btw, "canon"?
-- Ken from Chicago
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249165 ] |
So, 30 April 2006 15:30 |
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spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com wrote:
> I just checked TV.com. The Law & Order franchise currently has 647
> aired episodes. The Star Trek franchise has a little over 700 aired
> episodes and 10 movies (okay, V isn't canon).
>
V is canon.
<snip>
--
Wouter Valentijn
www.wouter.cc
www.nksf.nl
www.zeppodunsel.nl
liam=mail
"The world that denies thee, thou inhabit.
The peace that ignores thee, thou corrupt.
Chaos. I remain, as ever, thy faithful, degenerate son."
Ethan Rayne, 'Halloween' (Buffy The Vampire Slayer)
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249166 ] |
So, 30 April 2006 15:39 |
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Ken from Chicago wrote:
> VOY was light years ahead of ENT. There were numerous episodes of VOY that
> still hold up as good as TNG or even as good as DS9
Whatever you're smoking, I don't want any.
Mark Moore
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249167 ] |
So, 30 April 2006 15:46 |
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Ken from Chicago wrote:
> I've lost, I've lost, I've lost, faith
> Faith from the staaaaaart!
>
> -- Ken from Chicago (who gives towels to listeners to clean the blood from
> their ears from being reminded of ST:E's theme song)
I like ST:E's theme song just fine. However, I'll gladly accept one of
your towels to clean the blood from my ears that's a result of YOUR
horrible singing.
Mark Moore
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249168 ] |
So, 30 April 2006 16:00 |
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Ken from Chicago wrote:
> Btw, "canon"?
Look it up.
Mark Moore
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249169 ] |
So, 30 April 2006 16:01 |
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Wouter Valentijn wrote:
> V is canon.
No, it isn't.
Mark Moore
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249170 ] |
So, 30 April 2006 17:26 |
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Once Upon A Time Ken from Chicago wrote:
>
><spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1146317030.850217.326220 [at] e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>> ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
>>> It's been a loooooong time
>>> Since any Trek sucked this baaad
>>
>> How easily you forgot Voyager.
>>
>>
>> Mark Moore
>
>VOY was light years ahead of ENT. There were numerous episodes of VOY that
>still hold up as good as TNG or even as good as DS9--which underscored the
>disappointment at the squandered potential.
You could not be more wrong.
Well actually you could, but you'd have to type more stuff like that.
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Captain Infinity
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249171 ] |
So, 30 April 2006 17:27 |
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Once Upon A Time spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>> V is canon.
>
>No, it isn't.
PURPLE!
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Captain Infinity
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249172 ] |
So, 30 April 2006 17:43 |
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<spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1146404359.786742.162520 [at] e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> Ken from Chicago wrote:
>> VOY was light years ahead of ENT. There were numerous episodes of VOY
>> that
>> still hold up as good as TNG or even as good as DS9
>
> Whatever you're smoking, I don't want any.
>
>
> Mark Moore
>
Sure it's easy to overlook the few flowers in a field of manure but they
were there. Of course that didn't stop me from quitting VOY after S3 only to
try again when they brought in Jeri Ryan only to quit again after it was
clear it was becoming the Janeway & Seven show. But at least it was good
enough to make it seven years. ENT didn't make it half as far.
-- Ken from Chicago
P.S. And don't make me play the opening credits card.
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249173 ] |
So, 30 April 2006 17:45 |
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spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com wrote:
> Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>> V is canon.
>
> No, it isn't.
>
>
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/help/faqs/faq/676.html
As a rule of thumb, the events that take place within the live action
episodes and movies are canon, or official Star Trek facts. Story lines,
characters, events, stardates, etc. that take place within the fictional
novels, the Animated Adventures, and the various comic lines are not canon.
There are only a couple of exceptions to this rule: the Jeri Taylor penned
novels "Mosaic" and "Pathways." Many of the events in these two novels
feature background details of the main Star Trek: Voyager characters. (Note:
There are a few details from an episode of the Animated Adventures that have
entered into the Star Trek canon. The episode "Yesteryear," written by D.C.
Fontana, features some biographical background on Spock.)
Where does it say Star Trek V is the exception?
--
Wouter Valentijn
www.wouter.cc
www.nksf.nl
www.zeppodunsel.nl
liam=mail
"The world that denies thee, thou inhabit.
The peace that ignores thee, thou corrupt.
Chaos. I remain, as ever, thy faithful, degenerate son."
Ethan Rayne, 'Halloween' (Buffy The Vampire Slayer)
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249174 ] |
So, 30 April 2006 17:48 |
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"Captain Infinity" <Infinity [at] captaininfinity.us> wrote in message
news:kml952dunmkge0d7g4r5d4kvmdrs047cfi [at] 4ax.com...
> Once Upon A Time Ken from Chicago wrote:
>
>>
>><spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1146317030.850217.326220 [at] e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>>> ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
>>>> It's been a loooooong time
>>>> Since any Trek sucked this baaad
>>>
>>> How easily you forgot Voyager.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Moore
>>
>>VOY was light years ahead of ENT. There were numerous episodes of VOY that
>>still hold up as good as TNG or even as good as DS9--which underscored the
>>disappointment at the squandered potential.
>
> You could not be more wrong.
>
> Well actually you could, but you'd have to type more stuff like that.
>
>
> **
> Captain Infinity
"Tuvix".
Seska.
Brad Dourif's reformed serial killer.
The Doctor.
Janeway vs the rebel Starfleet captain.
Admittedly the number of bad VOY eps vastly outnumbered the number of good
VOY eps, and considering there were over twice as many VOY eps as ENT eps
the number of bad VOY eps outnumber the number of bad ENT eps, but
percentage-wise good VOY : bad VOY outweighs good ENT : bad ENT.
-- Ken from Chicago
P.S. And at least you didn't run screaming from VOY's opening credits.
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249175 ] |
So, 30 April 2006 17:54 |
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<spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1146404811.171486.54120 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Ken from Chicago wrote:
>> I've lost, I've lost, I've lost, faith
>> Faith from the staaaaaart!
>>
>> -- Ken from Chicago (who gives towels to listeners to clean the blood
>> from
>> their ears from being reminded of ST:E's theme song)
>
> I like ST:E's theme song just fine. However, I'll gladly accept one of
> your towels to clean the blood from my ears that's a result of YOUR
> horrible singing.
>
>
> Mark Moore
You're just JEALOUS of my musical talent:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf.tv/browse_frm/thr ead/fa79fac1fd9ae36a/0ce0b5e0b6067b06?&hl=en#0ce0b5e0b60 67b06
-- Ken from Chicago
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249176 ] |
So, 30 April 2006 17:56 |
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lines [at] converge.net wrote:
> What about his honker?
Good point. They can put on his nose and then keep their Spock ears on
at the same time.
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249177 ] |
So, 30 April 2006 17:59 |
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Once Upon A Time Ken from Chicago wrote:
>
>"Captain Infinity" <Infinity [at] captaininfinity.us> wrote in message
>news:kml952dunmkge0d7g4r5d4kvmdrs047cfi [at] 4ax.com...
>> Once Upon A Time Ken from Chicago wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1146317030.850217.326220 [at] e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>>>> ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
>>>>> It's been a loooooong time
>>>>> Since any Trek sucked this baaad
>>>>
>>>> How easily you forgot Voyager.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark Moore
>>>
>>>VOY was light years ahead of ENT. There were numerous episodes of VOY that
>>>still hold up as good as TNG or even as good as DS9--which underscored the
>>>disappointment at the squandered potential.
>>
>> You could not be more wrong.
>>
>> Well actually you could, but you'd have to type more stuff like that.
>>
>>
>> **
>> Captain Infinity
>
>"Tuvix".
>
>Seska.
>
>Brad Dourif's reformed serial killer.
>
>The Doctor.
>
>Janeway vs the rebel Starfleet captain.
>
>Admittedly the number of bad VOY eps vastly outnumbered the number of good
>VOY eps, and considering there were over twice as many VOY eps as ENT eps
>the number of bad VOY eps outnumber the number of bad ENT eps, but
>percentage-wise good VOY : bad VOY outweighs good ENT : bad ENT.
>
>-- Ken from Chicago
>
>P.S. And at least you didn't run screaming from VOY's opening credits.
Hey! Wow! You managed to be more wrong! Good for you!
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Captain Infinity
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249178 ] |
So, 30 April 2006 18:27 |
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Captain Infinity wrote:
> Once Upon A Time Ken from Chicago wrote:
>
<snip>
>>
>> "Tuvix".
Horrible episode.
One of the worst ever right next to the one where Tuvok met the kids who
were really old people. A plot borrowed from the terrible second season of
Buck Rogers.
>>
>> Seska.
Had some good points.
>>
>> Brad Dourif's reformed serial killer.
Dito.
>>
>> The Doctor.
Started out good, but went downhill in later seasons.
>>
>> Janeway vs the rebel Starfleet captain.
Voyager vs. Equinox. But than again. The other ship was commanded by a
character played by John Savage.
Yeah. Cool two parter.
>>
>> Admittedly the number of bad VOY eps vastly outnumbered the number
>> of good VOY eps, and considering there were over twice as many VOY
>> eps as ENT eps the number of bad VOY eps outnumber the number of bad
>> ENT eps, but percentage-wise good VOY : bad VOY outweighs good ENT :
>> bad ENT.
>>
Ah, but Enterprise had Manny Coto in Season four. That clinched things in
favor of Enterprise.
The final episode aside, Enterprise started out bad but gained momentum
during season three and climaxed absolutely in season four.
Voyager had two really weak first seasons, had some interesting stuff in de
next three, but after that took a dramatic nose dive in the final two.
--
Wouter Valentijn
www.wouter.cc
www.nksf.nl
www.zeppodunsel.nl
liam=mail
"The world that denies thee, thou inhabit.
The peace that ignores thee, thou corrupt.
Chaos. I remain, as ever, thy faithful, degenerate son."
Ethan Rayne, 'Halloween' (Buffy The Vampire Slayer)
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So, 30 April 2006 19:14 |
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 05:38:54 -0500, lines [at] converge.net wrote:
>>> I hate to say it, but it looks like, next season, the Law & Order canon
>>> will surpass the Star Trek canon.
>Star Trek has ALWAYS been Barney in Space:"I love you, you love me..."
Never watched Deep Space Nine, I see.
Brian
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So, 30 April 2006 23:50 |
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in article M4CdnT1MN9EhJMnZ4p2dnA [at] comcast.com, Ken from Chicago at
kwicker1b_nospam [at] comcast.net wrote on 4/30/06 6:20 AM:
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> <spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1146317030.850217.326220 [at] e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>> ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
>>> It's been a loooooong time
>>> Since any Trek sucked this baaad
>>
>> How easily you forgot Voyager.
>>
>>
>> Mark Moore
>
> VOY was light years ahead of ENT. There were numerous episodes of VOY that
> still hold up as good as TNG or even as good as DS9--which underscored the
> disappointment at the squandered potential.
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
>
>
And by that he means 'evil black leather Kes'
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| Re: Star Trek: In Space, No One Can Hear You SUCK [message #249182 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 00:05 |
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in article k2s95219i27ce2ehfg5qerng72ivpdlnps [at] 4ax.com, Brian Thorn at
bthorn64 [at] cox.net wrote on 4/30/06 10:14 AM:
> On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 05:38:54 -0500, lines [at] converge.net wrote:
>
>>>> I hate to say it, but it looks like, next season, the Law & Order canon
>>>> will surpass the Star Trek canon.
>
>> Star Trek has ALWAYS been Barney in Space:"I love you, you love me..."
>
> Never watched Deep Space Nine, I see.
>
> Brian
Or real Star Trek. Or TAS. Or some of TNG.
Might have watched Enterprise though.
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249183 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 00:25 |
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ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
> in article M4CdnT1MN9EhJMnZ4p2dnA [at] comcast.com, Ken from Chicago at
> kwicker1b_nospam [at] comcast.net wrote on 4/30/06 6:20 AM:
>
>
>><spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1146317030.850217.326220 [at] e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
>>>
>>>>It's been a loooooong time
>>>>Since any Trek sucked this baaad
>>>
>>>How easily you forgot Voyager.
>>>
>>>
>>>Mark Moore
>>
>>VOY was light years ahead of ENT. There were numerous episodes of VOY that
>>still hold up as good as TNG or even as good as DS9--which underscored the
>>disappointment at the squandered potential.
>>
>>-- Ken from Chicago
>>
>>
>
> And by that he means 'evil black leather Kes'
>
I liked Voyager. Actually, I loved it. Sure, it could be silly at
times and I do agree that it's potential was squandered (especially in
terms of the characters), but I really enjoyed the series. And yes, it
was much, much better than Enterprise. I don't really compare the
series because I liked them all (well, I actually didn't care much for
Enterprise), but in different ways for different reasons.
Anthony
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249185 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 10:02 |
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<spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1146405603.949698.251000 [at] e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> Ken from Chicago wrote:
>> Btw, "canon"?
>
> Look it up.
>
>
> Mark Moore
What overarching underlying storyline is there to L&O? The series are
episodic, almost anthological, where each episode not only stands on its
own, but can almost be shown in any order.
That's majorly different from TOS, well not TOS, but TOS & TNG or DS9 where
each season built on the previous and actions had consequences unlike the
other Trek series where they tended to simply fly off to another planet.
-- Ken from Chicago
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249198 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 19:00 |
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"Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote in message
news:4454e567$0$31645$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl...
> Captain Infinity wrote:
> > Once Upon A Time Ken from Chicago wrote:
<snip>
> >> Admittedly the number of bad VOY eps vastly outnumbered the number
> >> of good VOY eps, and considering there were over twice as many VOY
> >> eps as ENT eps the number of bad VOY eps outnumber the number of bad
> >> ENT eps, but percentage-wise good VOY : bad VOY outweighs good ENT :
> >> bad ENT.
> >>
>
> Ah, but Enterprise had Manny Coto in Season four. That clinched things in
> favor of Enterprise.
<snip>
I was gonna make the same point.... so ... all I can say now is, couldn't
agree more.
--
Qapla'
Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
"Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty (Spectre of the Gun)
1,079,252,848.8 km/h, not just a good idea, it's the law.
"So say we all!"
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249199 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 19:02 |
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"Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote in message
news:4454dbb1$0$31653$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl...
> spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com wrote:
> > Wouter Valentijn wrote:
> >> V is canon.
> >
> > No, it isn't.
> >
> >
>
> http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/help/faqs/faq/676.html
>
>
> As a rule of thumb, the events that take place within the live action
> episodes and movies are canon, or official Star Trek facts. Story lines,
> characters, events, stardates, etc. that take place within the fictional
> novels, the Animated Adventures, and the various comic lines are not
canon.
> There are only a couple of exceptions to this rule: the Jeri Taylor penned
> novels "Mosaic" and "Pathways." Many of the events in these two novels
> feature background details of the main Star Trek: Voyager characters.
(Note:
> There are a few details from an episode of the Animated Adventures that
have
> entered into the Star Trek canon. The episode "Yesteryear," written by
D.C.
> Fontana, features some biographical background on Spock.)
>
>
> Where does it say Star Trek V is the exception?
Indeed. V had some of the best "big 3" lines and interaction. And we all
know Nemesis is the worst ST movie ever.
--
Qapla'
Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
"Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty (Spectre of the Gun)
1,079,252,848.8 km/h, not just a good idea, it's the law.
"So say we all!"
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| Re: Star Trek: In Space, No One Can Hear You SUCK [message #249208 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 15:13 |
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"ANIM8Rfsk" <ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net> wrote in message
news:C07A82B5.7A22D%ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net...
> in article k2s95219i27ce2ehfg5qerng72ivpdlnps [at] 4ax.com, Brian Thorn at
> bthorn64 [at] cox.net wrote on 4/30/06 10:14 AM:
>
>> On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 05:38:54 -0500, lines [at] converge.net wrote:
>>
>>>>> I hate to say it, but it looks like, next season, the Law & Order
>>>>> canon
>>>>> will surpass the Star Trek canon.
>>
>>> Star Trek has ALWAYS been Barney in Space:"I love you, you love me..."
>>
>> Never watched Deep Space Nine, I see.
>>
>> Brian
>
> Or real Star Trek. Or TAS. Or some of TNG.
>
> Might have watched Enterprise though.
>
Probably watched Voyager and thinks that's all there is to it. ;)
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| Re: Law & Order canon soon to exceed Star Trek canon [message #249211 ] |
Mi, 03 Mai 2006 16:09 |
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Ken from Chicago wrote:
> <spiritofsupergirl [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Ken from Chicago wrote:
> > > Btw, "canon"?
> >
> > Look it up.
>
> What overarching underlying storyline is there to L&O? The series are
> episodic, almost anthological, where each episode not only stands on its
> own, but can almost be shown in any order.
That's not what canon is. There doesn't have to be an underlying
storyline, though, with L&O, there is most *certainly* continuity.
Early characters are referenced and occasionally even show up in later
episodes. All of the stories exist in an entirely consistent and
realistic world where nothing that I can think of has ever really
violated something that happened in a previous episode. What more do
you want??
"Canon" is just an accepted body of *related* works (M-W:
"sanctioned"), the exact contents of which depends on who's doing the
accepting/sanctioning (cf. the Roman-Catholic canon vs the Protestant
canon)... The official Trek canon, of course, is determined by
whoever's in charge of the franchise. The canon in my own little world
doesn't include Voyager or Enterprise, however (and since Janeway shows
up in "Nemesis", that's not canon either! My world is a much more
pleasant place sometimes...)
> That's majorly different from TOS, well not TOS, but TOS & TNG or DS9 where
> each season built on the previous and actions had consequences unlike the
> other Trek series where they tended to simply fly off to another planet.
DS9 was much more serialized, but TNG episodes generally had little to
do with each other. Except for the occasional character coming or going
or the select few episodes that dealt with major events (the Borg, the
Klingon conflict, etc), what would stop most TNG episodes from being
shown out of order? Usually, they *are* shown out of order. L&O and TNG
are really pretty similar with respect to continuity.
Jeff
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