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Science Fiction » alt.startrek » "God" in Star Trek V
"God" in Star Trek V [message #228493] Mi, 08 März 2006 03:02
allemannster  
I found this on Wikipedia:

"The One is an evil entity who had been imprisoned in the center of the
Milky Way galaxy by forces unknown. It was encountered by the
Enterprise in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, and mistaken for God by
Sybok, Kirk and McCoy. In a novel trilogy, The One is shown to be an
entity associated with 0 and Q, who delighted in perverting the Holy
Scripture of the Judaeo-Christian faith to justify his rain of
destruction on lower life forms such as the T'Kon."

What trilogy relates "The One" with Q?
Re: "God" in Star Trek V [message #228494 ] Mi, 08 März 2006 05:10
starfist.at.gmail.dot  
On 7 Mar 2006 18:02:03 -0800, allemannster [at] gmail.com wrote:

> I found this on Wikipedia:
>
> "The One is an evil entity who had been imprisoned in the center of the
> Milky Way galaxy by forces unknown. It was encountered by the
> Enterprise in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, and mistaken for God by
> Sybok, Kirk and McCoy. In a novel trilogy, The One is shown to be an
> entity associated with 0 and Q, who delighted in perverting the Holy
> Scripture of the Judaeo-Christian faith to justify his rain of
> destruction on lower life forms such as the T'Kon."
>
> What trilogy relates "The One" with Q?

The Q Continuum.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0743485084/

By "relates," Q is basically responsible for bringing The One into the
ST universe. Non-canon, of course. It's a Greg Cox story, so has a
*lot* of mixing of various ST characters.

--
Lance Corporal "Hammer" Schultz
Promote someone else.
Re: "God" in Star Trek V [message #228498 ] Mi, 08 März 2006 11:29
Ragnar  
allemannster [at] gmail.com wrote:
> I found this on Wikipedia:
>
> "The One is an evil entity who had been imprisoned in the center of the
> Milky Way galaxy by forces unknown. It was encountered by the
> Enterprise in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, and mistaken for God by
> Sybok, Kirk and McCoy. In a novel trilogy, The One is shown to be an
> entity associated with 0 and Q, who delighted in perverting the Holy
> Scripture of the Judaeo-Christian faith to justify his rain of
> destruction on lower life forms such as the T'Kon."
>
> What trilogy relates "The One" with Q?
>


Don't have that one handy.

But I would note that Wikipedia is wrong: Only Sybok mistook him for
God; Kirk never bought that idea.

As for the alien being "God", BWAHAHAHAHA!!! That "God" had less power
than the Melkots, the rock guy (posing as Lincoln), etc. from TOS.
Re: "God" in Star Trek V [message #228501 ] Mi, 08 März 2006 15:55
starfist.at.gmail.dot  
On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 05:29:00 -0500, Ragnar wrote:

> As for the alien being "God", BWAHAHAHAHA!!! That "God" had less power
> than the Melkots, the rock guy (posing as Lincoln), etc. from TOS.

And don't forget the spoiled child Trelane.

The entire story is laughable. Even if Shatner had been able to make
the movie he envisioned, it would have been laughable.

--
Lance Corporal "Hammer" Schultz
Promote someone else.
Re: "God" in Star Trek V [message #228508 ] Mi, 08 März 2006 21:14
allemannster  
^ Quite true
Re: "God" in Star Trek V [message #228512 ] Do, 09 März 2006 07:36
Wolf359  
"Why does God need a starship?..."
Re: "God" in Star Trek V [message #228517 ] Fr, 10 März 2006 07:05
shirao_t  
"Wolf359" <tanaselia [at] gmail.com> wrote in message news:1141886190.779151.177430 [at] e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> "Why does God need a starship?..."

I do not know how to manufacture starship also now.
Who thought the "God"?
Re: "God" in Star Trek V [message #228541 ] So, 12 März 2006 18:46
advance scout  
snip

> The entire story is laughable. Even if Shatner had been able to make
> the movie he envisioned, it would have been laughable.

am I the only one who actually like the movie???

Forgetting the storyline... I thought the interplay beween the characters
and being true to who they were, was the best of any of the movies.




>
> --
> Lance Corporal "Hammer" Schultz
> Promote someone else.
Re: "God" in Star Trek V [message #228545 ] So, 12 März 2006 20:48
George Peatty  
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:46:02 -0500, "advance scout"
<ivanhoe [at] nospam.optonline.net> wrote:

>am I the only one who actually like the movie???

No.

>Forgetting the storyline... I thought the interplay beween the characters
>and being true to who they were, was the best of any of the movies.

Agreed. We care about these people because it's obvious how much they care
for each other, and we see that best here ..
Re: "God" in Star Trek V [message #228546 ] So, 12 März 2006 21:33
starfist.at.gmail.dot  
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:46:02 -0500, advance scout wrote:

> am I the only one who actually like the movie???

Probably not. ;-)

> Forgetting the storyline... I thought the interplay beween the characters
> and being true to who they were, was the best of any of the movies.

Well, there are some good moments, to be sure. But it doesn't all
work. For example, Dr. McCoy killing his father is totally and
utterly out of character. (And the idea that several hundred years
into the future, they would not be able to shut off pain by
manipulating nerves is also laughable, but that's another story
problem.) Spock becoming brainwashed by his brother is also hard to
swallow. In fact the idea that Kirk's entire crew would mutiny just
because some circus side show act would show them something from their
past is hard to swallow and does not help with character interaction
much.

--
Lance Corporal "Hammer" Schultz
Promote someone else.
Re: "God" in Star Trek V [message #228547 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 00:04
allemannster  
I think that The Final Frontier was moderately good. Interaction
between the characters is quite good and there are some memorable
moments in the film (such as the campfire sequences). But, it certainly
not the best Star Trek movie. The Search for Spock is worse.
Re: "God" in Star Trek V [message #243295 ] So, 02 April 2006 02:08
Skytech  
>
> As for the alien being "God", BWAHAHAHAHA!!! That "God" had less
> power than the Melkots, the rock guy (posing as Lincoln), etc. from
> TOS.

The One never seemed to be especially powerful otherwise it would not
have been so easily outwitted and destroyed. Consitering the people
touched by it even over incredible distances, it was a being of great
influence and, obviously, deceit. It was more like a Lucifer who
whispers lies to gain trust and followers.

There were a lot of 'gods' presented in Star Trek but that seemed more
by virtue of relative power compared to 'lesser' species. How often
did they prove to be not much different and nowhere near all powerful?
Re: "God" in Star Trek V [message #243307 ] So, 02 April 2006 16:42
Jaxtraw  
Skytech wrote:
>> As for the alien being "God", BWAHAHAHAHA!!! That "God" had less
>> power than the Melkots, the rock guy (posing as Lincoln), etc. from
>> TOS.
>
> The One never seemed to be especially powerful otherwise it would not
> have been so easily outwitted and destroyed. Consitering the people
> touched by it even over incredible distances, it was a being of great
> influence and, obviously, deceit. It was more like a Lucifer who
> whispers lies to gain trust and followers.
>
> There were a lot of 'gods' presented in Star Trek but that seemed more
> by virtue of relative power compared to 'lesser' species. How often
> did they prove to be not much different and nowhere near all powerful?

The question of how to define a God is difficult. You can't really define
one by power alone; perhaps in the distant future humans will have the
technologies to reshape entire galaxies- but we still wouldn't be gods, we'd
be very powerful beings. Perhaps if those powers are innate? That seems
arbitrary. If we incorporated those galaxy-shaping powers into our own
bodies, we would still be humans, just artificially evolved/self-designed
humans.

Perhaps a god is a god if they can break the laws of physics, or are from a
meta-reality which encapsulates our own universe/reality. But even then it
seems inescapable that any being with supra-physical abilities must be using
some other superset of physical laws from "their" metaverse. And to use the
example of the Q, they have the above abilities (superpowers beyond physics,
existence beyond our universe) and yet nobody thinks they are gods, at least
I don't :)

Even if you add in the "created our universe" qualifier, you're still stuck
with the idea that the "god" is just a being from a different universe,
which may even be possible if current speculations by some physicists are
correct- that there are a multitude of universes with differing physical
laws.

So really, I have no idea what a god is. Any god is just a super-powerful
being; if superpowers doesn't define a god, then it is impossible to even
imagine a god, since superpowers seem to be gods' only defining
characterstic. As to why said superpowers would give any being the moral
right to demand worship; that's beyond me altogether.

Ian

--
Re: "God" in Star Trek V [message #243308 ] So, 02 April 2006 18:12
George Peatty  
On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 15:42:26 +0100, "Jaxtraw"
<jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote:

>So really, I have no idea what a god is

In Christian theology, God is defined by two different sets of works, which
in turn define the basis of God's worship:

Rev 4:11

11 "You are worthy, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power,
for you created all things,
and by your will they were created
and have their being."
NIV

Rev 5:9

"You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
and with your blood you purchased men for God
from every tribe and language and people and nation.
NIV


The significance of the expression is in the words: You * are * worthy
* because ..









































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Re: "God" in Star Trek V [message #243314 ] So, 02 April 2006 19:54
Bo Raxo  
"Skytech" <skytech [at] ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:5CEXf.2012$i41.2000 [at] newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >
> > As for the alien being "God", BWAHAHAHAHA!!! That "God" had less
> > power than the Melkots, the rock guy (posing as Lincoln), etc. from
> > TOS.
>
> The One never seemed to be especially powerful otherwise it would not
> have been so easily outwitted and destroyed. Consitering the people
> touched by it even over incredible distances, it was a being of great
> influence and, obviously, deceit. It was more like a Lucifer who
> whispers lies to gain trust and followers.
>
> There were a lot of 'gods' presented in Star Trek but that seemed more
> by virtue of relative power compared to 'lesser' species. How often
> did they prove to be not much different and nowhere near all powerful?
>


To paraphrase Arthur C. Clarke, any being sufficiently omnipotent and
annoyingly judgmental qualifies as God.


Bo Raxo
(Oh, that one goes in my Best of Bo file)
Re: "God" in Star Trek V [message #243317 ] Mo, 03 April 2006 01:31
Skytech  
>
> The question of how to define a God is difficult. You can't really
> define
> one by power alone; perhaps in the distant future humans will have
> the
> technologies to reshape entire galaxies- but we still wouldn't be
> gods, we'd
> be very powerful beings. Perhaps if those powers are innate? That
> seems
> arbitrary. If we incorporated those galaxy-shaping powers into our
> own
> bodies, we would still be humans, just artificially
> evolved/self-designed
> humans.
>

I've noticed Earth based gods seem to go from closer to real life
representations when such concepts were easier to grasp and accept to
increasingly abstract and almost amorphous form and ability. Defining
grows difficult as worshippers modify to suit the situation. Someday
we may meet other intelligent species and our technologies will
indistinguishable from magic. We may leave and they adapt what they
believe to fit questions raised.

> Perhaps a god is a god if they can break the laws of physics, or are
> from a
> meta-reality which encapsulates our own universe/reality. But even
> then it
> seems inescapable that any being with supra-physical abilities must
> be using
> some other superset of physical laws from "their" metaverse. And to
> use the
> example of the Q, they have the above abilities (superpowers beyond
> physics,
> existence beyond our universe) and yet nobody thinks they are gods,
> at least
> I don't :)
>

The gods remain the same but as intelligent beings understand things
better they realize it's all part of the same universe following the
same laws but at different levels.


> Even if you add in the "created our universe" qualifier, you're
> still stuck
> with the idea that the "god" is just a being from a different
> universe,
> which may even be possible if current speculations by some
> physicists are
> correct- that there are a multitude of universes with differing
> physical
> laws.
>

Or our universe is someone else's microverse.

> So really, I have no idea what a god is. Any god is just a
> super-powerful
> being; if superpowers doesn't define a god, then it is impossible to
> even
> imagine a god, since superpowers seem to be gods' only defining
> characterstic. As to why said superpowers would give any being the
> moral
> right to demand worship; that's beyond me altogether.
>

Maybe the evolution of intelligence must lead to the concept of a
godless universe. Most children discover there are no fairies,
monsters, or easter bunnies yet life goes on.
Re: "God" in Star Trek V [message #243320 ] Mo, 03 April 2006 10:16
Ben C  
On 2006-04-02, Jaxtraw <jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote:
> [...]

> The question of how to define a God is difficult.

> [...]

> So really, I have no idea what a god is. Any god is just a
> super-powerful being; if superpowers doesn't define a god, then it is
> impossible to even imagine a god, since superpowers seem to be gods'
> only defining characterstic.

You make good points. One definition that I've heard is that God (as
opposed to gods) created the universe and is not part of it.

This definition requires only one universe; if we discover or imagine
multiple universes, then logically they aren't really "universes" any
more-- we have to rename them-- they're all subparts of the totality of
everything that's the universe in this definition.

Whether such a being exists, or whether it would ever be possible to
determine if it did (how can you know you've reached the outermost
"universe", and that the superbeing in front of you isn't just a created
animal in his own "universe"?) are other questions.

If questions are impossible to answer, you have to ask yourself, how
impossible? And if they're impossible beyond a certain point you might
decide they're meaningless altogether. This is a matter of ongoing
debate.

> As to why said superpowers would give any being the moral right to
> demand worship; that's beyond me altogether.

Agree, it seems very suspicious why they should demand worship. It's
always empirically more likely that anyone demanding worship is a false
God. If there is one thing I've learned from James Kirk, it's this.
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