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Oscars and Star Trek [message #228458] Mo, 06 März 2006 05:28
Goo  
"Fuck the Oscars"

That line is as crass as the Oscars themselves.

Not only was DeForrest Kelly not acknowledged during the Oscars when he
died years ago, neither was James Doohan tonight.

Two actors with various roles in their lives, but internationally
recognized at the snap of a finger; their careers are ignored.

Star Trek in general is absoutely shunned and ignored by this
self-gratutitous ceremony.

How many OBSCURE dead people were given the acknowledgement this
year... 1940's choreographers???

More examples of Trek shunning:

Brock Peters: clip was shown from an old black and white movie... not
his numerous appearances in Star Trek movies and DS9.

Robert Wise: Directed the first Star Trek movie, but that title is
omitted for lesser movies.

And NEVER NEVER NEVER in a clip compilation of the "wonder of big
screen movies" do you EVER see a Trek clip.

Always the SAME goddamned Star Wars clips and other sci-fi Spielberg
crap.

It has to be a Paramount thing, because as a historical fact, Paramount
films are RARELY acknowledged, nominated or references.

It's always Warner Bros. and 20th Fox movies.

Although we'll be assured of Shatner's acknowledgement when he croaks
50 years from now, anything else Star Trek will remain ignored.

So, on behalf of Star Trek, Oscar, I invite you to blow me. Bite my
manhood and choke on it.

How do you like that?


P.S.

Jon Stewart is a funny mutherfucker.

P.S.S.

Nothing is more demeaning then showing the Ludicirus rap song, then
cutting to EVERY black person in the audience.

"Hey, I know, let's point out the segregation!!!"
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228459 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 05:33
Notifier Deamon  
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228460 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 05:41
rgorman  
On 5 Mar 2006 20:28:46 -0800, "Goo" <fyamfasmdt [at] yahoo.com> wrote:


>
>Although we'll be assured of Shatner's acknowledgement when he croaks
>50 years from now, anything else Star Trek will remain ignored.

I doubt it. Shatner was primarily a television actor.
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228461 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 05:54
al019  
David Johnston (rgorman [at] block.net) wrote:
: On 5 Mar 2006 20:28:46 -0800, "Goo" <fyamfasmdt [at] yahoo.com> wrote:


: >
: >Although we'll be assured of Shatner's acknowledgement when he croaks
: >50 years from now, anything else Star Trek will remain ignored.

: I doubt it. Shatner was primarily a television actor.

As were Kelley and Doohan.

Brad
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228462 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 05:55
CHRIS  
<jimmy [at] the.raunch> wrote in message
news:gpen02dtkd1kubt8id6h6rhtc247pc0sgq [at] 4ax.com...
> On 5 Mar 2006 20:28:46 -0800, "Goo" <fyamfasmdt [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>"Fuck the Oscars"
>>
>>That line is as crass as the Oscars themselves.
>>
>>Not only was DeForrest Kelly not acknowledged during the Oscars when he
>>died years ago, neither was James Doohan tonight.
>>
> I noticed that as well.
>
>>Two actors with various roles in their lives, but internationally
>>recognized at the snap of a finger; their careers are ignored.
>>
>>Star Trek in general is absoutely shunned and ignored by this
>>self-gratutitous ceremony.
>>
>>How many OBSCURE dead people were given the acknowledgement this
>>year... 1940's choreographers???
>>
>>More examples of Trek shunning:
>>
>>Brock Peters: clip was shown from an old black and white movie... not
>>his numerous appearances in Star Trek movies and DS9.
>>
>>Robert Wise: Directed the first Star Trek movie, but that title is
>>omitted for lesser movies.
>>
>>And NEVER NEVER NEVER in a clip compilation of the "wonder of big
>>screen movies" do you EVER see a Trek clip.
>>
>>Always the SAME goddamned Star Wars clips and other sci-fi Spielberg
>>crap.
>>
>>It has to be a Paramount thing, because as a historical fact, Paramount
>>films are RARELY acknowledged, nominated or references.
>>
>>It's always Warner Bros. and 20th Fox movies.
>>
>>Although we'll be assured of Shatner's acknowledgement when he croaks
>>50 years from now, anything else Star Trek will remain ignored.
>>
>>So, on behalf of Star Trek, Oscar, I invite you to blow me. Bite my
>>manhood and choke on it.
>>
>>How do you like that?
>>
>>
>>P.S.
>>
>>Jon Stewart is a funny mutherfucker.
>>
>>P.S.S.
>>
>>Nothing is more demeaning then showing the Ludicirus rap song, then
>>cutting to EVERY black person in the audience.
>>
>>"Hey, I know, let's point out the segregation!!!"

Well Don Knotts did like 15 movies and he was not mentioned
>
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228463 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 05:56
al019  
Goo (fyamfasmdt [at] yahoo.com) wrote:
: Star Trek in general is absoutely shunned and ignored by this
: self-gratutitous ceremony.

: How many OBSCURE dead people were given the acknowledgement this
: year... 1940's choreographers???

None.

: Robert Wise: Directed the first Star Trek movie, but that title is
: omitted for lesser movies.

Mr. Wise directed one heck of a lot of movies. They could not possibly
show them all.

Brad
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228464 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 06:10
eleeper  
Brad Filippone wrote:

> Goo (fyamfasmdt [at] yahoo.com) wrote:
> : Star Trek in general is absoutely shunned and ignored by this
> : self-gratutitous ceremony.
>
> : How many OBSCURE dead people were given the acknowledgement this
> : year... 1940's choreographers???
>
> None.
>
> : Robert Wise: Directed the first Star Trek movie, but that title is
> : omitted for lesser movies.
>
> Mr. Wise directed one heck of a lot of movies. They could not possibly
> show them all.

And the films they listed (THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL, THE SOUND OF
MUSIC, and WEST SIDE STORY) are way more important in film history than
STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Have something to say, and say it as clearly as you can.
That is the only secret of style. -Matthew Arnold
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228465 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 06:11
Jimmy  
On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 04:55:06 GMT, "Chris" <chrissiciliano [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
><jimmy [at] the.raunch> wrote in message
>news:gpen02dtkd1kubt8id6h6rhtc247pc0sgq [at] 4ax.com...
>> On 5 Mar 2006 20:28:46 -0800, "Goo" <fyamfasmdt [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Fuck the Oscars"
>>>
>>>That line is as crass as the Oscars themselves.
>>>
>>>Not only was DeForrest Kelly not acknowledged during the Oscars when he
>>>died years ago, neither was James Doohan tonight.
>>>
>> I noticed that as well.
>>
>>>Two actors with various roles in their lives, but internationally
>>>recognized at the snap of a finger; their careers are ignored.
>>>
>>>Star Trek in general is absoutely shunned and ignored by this
>>>self-gratutitous ceremony.
>>>
>>>How many OBSCURE dead people were given the acknowledgement this
>>>year... 1940's choreographers???
>>>
>>>More examples of Trek shunning:
>>>
>>>Brock Peters: clip was shown from an old black and white movie... not
>>>his numerous appearances in Star Trek movies and DS9.
>>>
>>>Robert Wise: Directed the first Star Trek movie, but that title is
>>>omitted for lesser movies.
>>>
>>>And NEVER NEVER NEVER in a clip compilation of the "wonder of big
>>>screen movies" do you EVER see a Trek clip.
>>>
>>>Always the SAME goddamned Star Wars clips and other sci-fi Spielberg
>>>crap.
>>>
>>>It has to be a Paramount thing, because as a historical fact, Paramount
>>>films are RARELY acknowledged, nominated or references.
>>>
>>>It's always Warner Bros. and 20th Fox movies.
>>>
>>>Although we'll be assured of Shatner's acknowledgement when he croaks
>>>50 years from now, anything else Star Trek will remain ignored.
>>>
>>>So, on behalf of Star Trek, Oscar, I invite you to blow me. Bite my
>>>manhood and choke on it.
>>>
>>>How do you like that?
>>>
>>>
>>>P.S.
>>>
>>>Jon Stewart is a funny mutherfucker.
>>>
>>>P.S.S.
>>>
>>>Nothing is more demeaning then showing the Ludicirus rap song, then
>>>cutting to EVERY black person in the audience.
>>>
>>>"Hey, I know, let's point out the segregation!!!"
>
>Well Don Knotts did like 15 movies and he was not mentioned
>>
He didn't die in 2005.
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228466 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 06:29
forge  
In article <1141616756.074426.110960 [at] v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
"Goo" <fyamfasmdt [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

> Although we'll be assured of Shatner's acknowledgement when he croaks
> 50 years from now, anything else Star Trek will remain ignored.

Shatner's gonna live to be 125???? Hoo Yah!!
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228467 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 06:35
The PhAnToM  
Goo wrote:
> "Fuck the Oscars"
>
> That line is as crass as the Oscars themselves.
>
> Not only was DeForrest Kelly not acknowledged during the Oscars when he
> died years ago, neither was James Doohan tonight.
>
> Two actors with various roles in their lives, but internationally
> recognized at the snap of a finger; their careers are ignored.
>
> Star Trek in general is absoutely shunned and ignored by this
> self-gratutitous ceremony.
>
> How many OBSCURE dead people were given the acknowledgement this
> year... 1940's choreographers???
>
> More examples of Trek shunning:
>
> Brock Peters: clip was shown from an old black and white movie... not
> his numerous appearances in Star Trek movies and DS9.

The fact that you don't know what "old black and white movie" that was
(probably his most important role, and one of the most important movies
and books of the 20th Century), then you are even more clueless than
the usual Star Trek nerds.
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228468 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 06:41
rgorman  
On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 00:10:51 -0500, "Evelyn C. Leeper"
<eleeper [at] optonline.net> wrote:


>>
>> Mr. Wise directed one heck of a lot of movies. They could not possibly
>> show them all.
>
>And the films they listed (THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL, THE SOUND OF
>MUSIC, and WEST SIDE STORY) are way more important in film history than
>STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE.
>

Those were the films they listed? Yeah, I can't disagree with that
lineup.
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228469 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 07:47
ANIM8Rfsk  
in article 1141616756.074426.110960 [at] v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com, Goo at
fyamfasmdt [at] yahoo.com wrote on 3/5/06 9:28 PM:

> "Fuck the Oscars"
>
> That line is as crass as the Oscars themselves.
>
> Not only was DeForrest Kelly not acknowledged during the Oscars when he
> died years ago, neither was James Doohan tonight.

That really did stink.
>
> Two actors with various roles in their lives, but internationally
> recognized at the snap of a finger; their careers are ignored.
>
> Star Trek in general is absoutely shunned and ignored by this
> self-gratutitous ceremony.
>
> How many OBSCURE dead people were given the acknowledgement this
> year... 1940's choreographers???
>
> More examples of Trek shunning:
>
> Brock Peters: clip was shown from an old black and white movie... not
> his numerous appearances in Star Trek movies and DS9.
>
> Robert Wise: Directed the first Star Trek movie, but that title is
> omitted for lesser movies.
>
> And NEVER NEVER NEVER in a clip compilation of the "wonder of big
> screen movies" do you EVER see a Trek clip.
>
> Always the SAME goddamned Star Wars clips and other sci-fi Spielberg
> crap.
>
> It has to be a Paramount thing, because as a historical fact, Paramount
> films are RARELY acknowledged, nominated or references.
>
> It's always Warner Bros. and 20th Fox movies.
>
> Although we'll be assured of Shatner's acknowledgement when he croaks
> 50 years from now, anything else Star Trek will remain ignored.
>
> So, on behalf of Star Trek, Oscar, I invite you to blow me. Bite my
> manhood and choke on it.
>
> How do you like that?
>
>
> P.S.
>
> Jon Stewart is a funny mutherfucker.
>
> P.S.S.

It's P.P.S. btw. :)

>
> Nothing is more demeaning then showing the Ludicirus rap song, then
> cutting to EVERY black person in the audience.
>
> "Hey, I know, let's point out the segregation!!!"
>
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228470 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 08:27
Mike  
Trek is priamrily a TV phenomema. The movies were only outgrowths of
that.

Goo wrote:
>
> "Fuck the Oscars"
>
> That line is as crass as the Oscars themselves.
>
> Not only was DeForrest Kelly not acknowledged during the Oscars when he
> died years ago, neither was James Doohan tonight.

Dee Kelley was in a number of great westerns and should've been
mentioned. Jimmy Doohan was mainly in radio and TV.


>
> More examples of Trek shunning:
>
> Brock Peters: clip was shown from an old black and white movie... not
> his numerous appearances in Star Trek movies and DS9.

He was not a major player in the Star Trek movies, he probabaly had a
more important role in that black and white film
>
> Robert Wise: Directed the first Star Trek movie, but that title is
> omitted for lesser movies.

Lesser movies? The Day The Earth Stood Still, West Side Story and Sound
Of Music are certified classics.
>
> And NEVER NEVER NEVER in a clip compilation of the "wonder of big
> screen movies" do you EVER see a Trek clip.
>
> Always the SAME goddamned Star Wars clips and other sci-fi Spielberg
> crap.

They oughta slip in a few seconds of a Trek movie, I won't be losing
sleep over the omission though
>
> It has to be a Paramount thing, because as a historical fact, Paramount
> films are RARELY acknowledged, nominated or references.

Forrest Gump, The Greatest Show On Earth, The Godfather, The Godfather
Part 2, Terms of Endearment, Braveheart and Titanic are Paramount movies
that have won best picture.

There is no shutting out of Paramount
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228471 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 08:37
jayembee  
"Chris" <chrissiciliano [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Well Don Knotts did like 15 movies and he was not mentioned

The necrology was for those who died last year. Don Knotts
(and Dennis Weaver and Darren McGavin) died this year.

-- jayembee
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228472 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 08:46
jayembee  
"Goo" <fyamfasmdt [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

> "Fuck the Oscars"
>
> That line is as crass as the Oscars themselves.
>
> Not only was DeForrest Kelly not acknowledged during the Oscars when he
> died years ago, neither was James Doohan tonight.
>
> Two actors with various roles in their lives, but internationally
> recognized at the snap of a finger; their careers are ignored.

I'll grant you these.

> How many OBSCURE dead people were given the acknowledgement this
> year... 1940's choreographers???

Obscure to you, maybe. I knew every single one of them.

> More examples of Trek shunning:
>
> Brock Peters: clip was shown from an old black and white movie...
> not his numerous appearances in Star Trek movies and DS9.

That just shows more of your ignorance. That "old black and white
movie" was TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD, which was (a) his breakthrough
movie, and (b) a far, far more important piece of cinema than any
of the Trek movies could even *dream* of being.


> Robert Wise: Directed the first Star Trek movie, but that title
> is omitted for lesser movies.

"Lesser movies"?? THE SOUND OF MUSIC and THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL
are lesser movies than the first Trek movie? You are insance.

> And NEVER NEVER NEVER in a clip compilation of the "wonder of big
> screen movies" do you EVER see a Trek clip.

Because none of them come anywhere close to the cinematic value of
the other films that are shone.

> Always the SAME goddamned Star Wars clips and other sci-fi Spielberg
> crap.

And lots and lots of great non-sf films.

> It has to be a Paramount thing, because as a historical fact, Paramount
> films are RARELY acknowledged, nominated or references.

That's bullshit, and you know it.

-- jayembee
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228474 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 08:54
jayembee  
Mike <miker [at] rochester.rr.com> wrote:

>> Not only was DeForrest Kelly not acknowledged during the Oscars
>> when he died years ago, neither was James Doohan tonight.
>
> Dee Kelley was in a number of great westerns and should've been
> mentioned. Jimmy Doohan was mainly in radio and TV.

The Oscars don't discriminate when it comes to the necrology reel.
They do generally acknowledge notable TV actors.

>> Brock Peters: clip was shown from an old black and white movie...
>> not his numerous appearances in Star Trek movies and DS9.
>
> He was not a major player in the Star Trek movies, he probabaly
> had a more important role in that black and white film

No probably about it.

I'm suyrprised that "Goo" didn't complain that the clip of John Fiedler
wasn't from "Wolf in the Fold".

>> Robert Wise: Directed the first Star Trek movie, but that title is
>> omitted for lesser movies.
>
> Lesser movies? The Day The Earth Stood Still, West Side Story and Sound
> Of Music are certified classics.

In fact, STTMP is probably one of the five *least* films in Wise's
career as a director.

>> It has to be a Paramount thing, because as a historical fact,
>> Paramount films are RARELY acknowledged, nominated or references.
>
> Forrest Gump, The Greatest Show On Earth, The Godfather, The Godfather
> Part 2, Terms of Endearment, Braveheart and Titanic are Paramount
> movies that have won best picture.
>
> There is no shutting out of Paramount

And at least two of those were included in the clip reel.

-- jayembee
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228475 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 11:58
al019  
jimmy [at] the.raunch wrote:
: He didn't die in 2005.

Neither did Shelly Winters, and she was included.

Brad
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228476 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 14:29
Aaron Snyder  
On 3/5/06 10:28 PM, in article
1141616756.074426.110960 [at] v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com, "Goo"
<fyamfasmdt [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

> "Fuck the Oscars"
>
> That line is as crass as the Oscars themselves.
>
> Not only was DeForrest Kelly not acknowledged during the Oscars when he
> died years ago, neither was James Doohan tonight.
>
> Two actors with various roles in their lives, but internationally
> recognized at the snap of a finger; their careers are ignored.
>
> Star Trek in general is absoutely shunned and ignored by this
> self-gratutitous ceremony.
>
> How many OBSCURE dead people were given the acknowledgement this
> year... 1940's choreographers???
>
> More examples of Trek shunning:
>
> Brock Peters: clip was shown from an old black and white movie... not
> his numerous appearances in Star Trek movies and DS9.
>
> Robert Wise: Directed the first Star Trek movie, but that title is
> omitted for lesser movies.
>
> And NEVER NEVER NEVER in a clip compilation of the "wonder of big
> screen movies" do you EVER see a Trek clip.
>
> Always the SAME goddamned Star Wars clips and other sci-fi Spielberg
> crap.

Star Trek movies aren't thought of as masterpieces of cinema unlike ET,
Close Encounters, and Star Wars. They're generally thought of as kitsch.
My beef was that Jerry Goldsmith wasn't noted in the dead people deal. He
did far more than Star Trek.
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228477 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 16:12
Notifier Deamon  
Post removed (X-No-Archive: yes)
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228478 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 16:18
Marcovaldo  
"Evelyn C. Leeper" <eleeper [at] optonline.net> wrote in message
news:nvPOf.2751$n67.1023 [at] fe08.lga...
> Brad Filippone wrote:
>
>> Goo (fyamfasmdt [at] yahoo.com) wrote:
>> : Star Trek in general is absoutely shunned and ignored by this
>> : self-gratutitous ceremony.
>>
>> : How many OBSCURE dead people were given the acknowledgement this
>> : year... 1940's choreographers???
>>
>> None.
>>
>> : Robert Wise: Directed the first Star Trek movie, but that title is
>> : omitted for lesser movies.
>>
>> Mr. Wise directed one heck of a lot of movies. They could not possibly
>> show them all.
>
> And the films they listed (THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL, THE SOUND OF
> MUSIC, and WEST SIDE STORY) are way more important in film history than
> STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE.

And much better movies.
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228479 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 18:09
kilroy  
"Aaron Snyder <amsnyde [at] charter.net>" wrote:
> Star Trek movies aren't thought of as masterpieces of cinema unlike
> ET, Close Encounters, and Star Wars. They're generally thought of as
> kitsch.

Star Trek 2 was better than any of the Star Wars prequels, and much
better than the first one.

And the more primitive visual effects were actually more effective, in
my view: the pulsing phasers had a machine-gun quality. (Not unlike
Cameron's use of machine guns instead of ray guns in "Aliens".)


Darren Provine ! kilroy [at] elvis.rowan.edu ! http://www.rowan.edu/~kilroy
"A weapon is a device for making your enemy change his mind."
-- Aral Vorkosigan
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228480 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 20:47
jayembee  
al019 [at] chebucto.ns.ca (Brad Filippone) wrote:

> jimmy [at] the.raunch wrote:
>> He didn't die in 2005.
>
> Neither did Shelly Winters, and she was included.

And the same with Chris Penn. But they were close enough.

The necrology reel was probably assembled a month ago.

-- jayembee
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228481 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 20:50
jayembee  
Aaron Snyder <amsnyde [at] charter.net> wrote:

> My beef was that Jerry Goldsmith wasn't noted in the dead
> people deal. He did far more than Star Trek.

Jerry Goldsmith died in July 2004 and was included in the
necrology reel at last year's Oscars.

-- jayembee
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228482 ] Mo, 06 März 2006 20:52
Agent Smith  
jimmy [at] the.raunch wrote in
news:gpen02dtkd1kubt8id6h6rhtc247pc0sgq [at] 4ax.com:

> On 5 Mar 2006 20:28:46 -0800, "Goo" <fyamfasmdt [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>"Fuck the Oscars"
>>
>>That line is as crass as the Oscars themselves.
>>
>>Not only was DeForrest Kelly not acknowledged during the Oscars when
>>he died years ago, neither was James Doohan tonight.
>>
> I noticed that as well.
>
>>Two actors with various roles in their lives, but internationally
>>recognized at the snap of a finger; their careers are ignored.
>>
>>Star Trek in general is absoutely shunned and ignored by this
>>self-gratutitous ceremony.
>>
>>How many OBSCURE dead people were given the acknowledgement this
>>year... 1940's choreographers???
>>
>>More examples of Trek shunning:
>>
>>Brock Peters: clip was shown from an old black and white movie...
>>not his numerous appearances in Star Trek movies and DS9.
>>
>>Robert Wise: Directed the first Star Trek movie, but that title is
>>omitted for lesser movies.
>>
>>And NEVER NEVER NEVER in a clip compilation of the "wonder of big
>>screen movies" do you EVER see a Trek clip.
>>
>>Always the SAME goddamned Star Wars clips and other sci-fi Spielberg
>>crap.
>>
>>It has to be a Paramount thing, because as a historical fact,
>>Paramount films are RARELY acknowledged, nominated or references.
>>
>>It's always Warner Bros. and 20th Fox movies.
>>
>>Although we'll be assured of Shatner's acknowledgement when he croaks
>>50 years from now, anything else Star Trek will remain ignored.

I think it's a tyrrany of the new geeks over the old geeks. Sine the
original "Star Wars," it's become fashionable to be a geek, because
internet super-brains are driving the entire economy. However, Star
Trek fans are 60's vintage geeks, from before it was fashionable, and
from a time when nurds were ridiculed or ignored. Those people are
still marginalized today.
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228484 ] Di, 07 März 2006 01:57
allemannster  
I noticed that Doohan was not acknowledged as well.

I was really sad years ago when they didn't show De Kelley. I expected
that they would show Jimmy this time.
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228485 ] Di, 07 März 2006 02:00
allemannster  
I meant to say that I expected that they would not show Jimmy this time.
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228488 ] Di, 07 März 2006 14:20
Aaron Snyder  
On 3/6/06 11:09 AM, in article duhqce$rm1$1 [at] pcls4.std.com, "Dr Nancy's
Sweetie" <kilroy [at] elvis.rowan.edu> wrote:

> "Aaron Snyder <amsnyde [at] charter.net>" wrote:
>> Star Trek movies aren't thought of as masterpieces of cinema unlike
>> ET, Close Encounters, and Star Wars. They're generally thought of as
>> kitsch.
>
> Star Trek 2 was better than any of the Star Wars prequels, and much
> better than the first one.

The academy doesn't think much of the prequels either. The clip they showed
in the intro was from The Empire Strikes Back, one of the originals. The
prequels have gotten the same treatment from the academy as the Star Trek
movies, either receiving no nominations or one or two in a technical
category. The originals, however, will always be regarded as masterpieces
of cinema. Even the prequels have an advantage over the Trek flicks because
so many more people have seen them. The lowest grossing Star Wars film
(adjusting for inflation) still made over $300 million, while few Trek films
managed to make over $100 million.
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228489 ] Di, 07 März 2006 16:01
videonovels  
jayembee wrote:
> "Goo" <fyamfasmdt [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Brock Peters: clip was shown from an old black and white movie...
> > not his numerous appearances in Star Trek movies and DS9.
>
> That just shows more of your ignorance. That "old black and white
> movie" was TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD,
>
>
>
> > Robert Wise: Directed the first Star Trek movie, but that title
> > is omitted for lesser movies.
>
> "Lesser movies"?? THE SOUND OF MUSIC and THE DAY THE EARTH
> STOOD STILL are lesser movies than the first Trek movie? You are insane.

..


It's fun watching you guys rip apart the clueless-Mister-Goo. Heh. He
describes To Kill A Mockingbird as "just some old movie"???? And Sound
of Music/West Wide Story = lesser movies???

Jeez.

GOO: Do yourself a favor and spend a couple weeks watching Turner
Classic Movies. It will enlighten you to the fact that there are LOTS
of great movies that FAR exceed the value of even the best Trek movie.

..
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228490 ] Mi, 08 März 2006 00:32
TrekkiELO  
Goo wrote:
> And NEVER NEVER NEVER in a clip compilation of the "wonder of big
> screen movies" do you EVER see a Trek clip.

I saw the famous Kirk and Spock bus scene where he Vulcan nerve pinches
that loud punk rocker from Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home when they were
showing clips from comedy movies a few years back.

Signed,

Rick Vendl II
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228491 ] Mi, 08 März 2006 01:15
TrekkiELO  
Aaron Snyder wrote:
> The academy doesn't think much of the prequels either. The clip they showed
> in the intro was from The Empire Strikes Back, one of the originals. The
> prequels have gotten the same treatment from the academy as the Star Trek
> movies, either receiving no nominations or one or two in a technical
> category. The originals, however, will always be regarded as masterpieces
> of cinema. Even the prequels have an advantage over the Trek flicks because
> so many more people have seen them. The lowest grossing Star Wars film
> (adjusting for inflation) still made over $300 million, while few Trek films
> managed to make over $100 million.

More than just that is the fact science fiction has yet to win in one
of Oscar's big 5 categories (ie: best picture, director, actor/actress
or supporting actor/actress) despite being nominated many times, even
though they show Back To The Future, Close Encounters, Star Wars et al
on both their intro, then also a "Wonder Of Big Screen Movies" clip
compilation this year along with 2001 and E.T., those academy voters
"Can't See The Forest For The Trees" when it comes to sci-fi writing!

Signed,

Rick Vendl II
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228492 ] Mi, 08 März 2006 02:27
OSI  
Goo wrote:

> "Fuck the Oscars"

What are these "Oscars" of which you speak? I haven't wasted my time on
any self-congratulatory Hollywood ass-kissing fests in years.

--
OSI
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228496 ] Mi, 08 März 2006 09:15
jayembee  
"TrekkiELO" <RFVendlII [at] aol.com> wrote:

> More than just that is the fact science fiction has yet to win in one
> of Oscar's big 5 categories (ie: best picture, director, actor/actress
> or supporting actor/actress) despite being nominated many times,

Actually, the "Big Five" are generally considered to be Best Picture,
Best Director, Best Screenplay (either original or adapted), Best Actor,
and Best Actress. But adding the Supporting acting categories to that
list...


1931/1932:

Fredric March won Best Actor (actually, tied) for DR. JEKYLL & MR, HYDE

1941:

Sidney Buchman, Seton Miller, & Harry Segall won Best Adapted Screenplay
for HERE COMES MR. JORDAN

1950:

Josephine Hull won Best Supporting Actress for HARVEY

1973:

William Peter Blatty won Best Adapted Screenplay for THE EXORCIST

1985:

Don Ameche won Best Supporting Actor for COCOON

1990:

Whoopi Goldberg won Best Supporting Actress for GHOST
Bruce Joel Rubin won Best Original Screenplay for GHOST

2003:

THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RETURN OF THE KING won Best Picture
Peter Jackson won Best Director for same.
Fran Walsh, Philippa Boyen, & Peter Jackson won Best Adapted Screenplay
for same

-- jayembee
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228497 ] Mi, 08 März 2006 10:23
al019  
allemannster [at] gmail.com (allemannster [at] gmail.com) wrote:
: I noticed that Doohan was not acknowledged as well.

: I was really sad years ago when they didn't show De Kelley. I expected
: that they would show Jimmy this time.

Kelley was included in the Emmy's memorial, as was Doohan.

Brad
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228499 ] Mi, 08 März 2006 13:32
TrekkiELO  
jayembee wrote:
> "TrekkiELO" <RFVend... [at] aol.com> wrote:

> > More than just that is the fact science fiction has yet to win in one
> > of Oscar's big 5 categories (ie: best picture, director, actor/actress
> > or supporting actor/actress) despite being nominated many times,


> Actually, the "Big Five" are generally considered to be Best Picture,
> Best Director, Best Screenplay (either original or adapted), Best Actor,
> and Best Actress. But adding the Supporting acting categories to that
> list...

I stand corrected.

> 1931/1932:

> Fredric March won Best Actor (actually, tied) for DR. JEKYLL & MR, HYDE

Horror, not sci-fi.

> 1941:

> Sidney Buchman, Seton Miller, & Harry Segall won Best Adapted Screenplay
> for HERE COMES MR. JORDAN

I wouldn't count a movie about dying and coming back as sci-fi.

> 1950:

> Josephine Hull won Best Supporting Actress for HARVEY

A story about an imaginary friend hardly counts as sci-fi.

> 1973:

> William Peter Blatty won Best Adapted Screenplay for THE EXORCIST

Horror, not sci-fi.

> 1985:

> Don Ameche won Best Supporting Actor for COCOON

I stand corrected, sci-fi won once.

> 1990:

> Whoopi Goldberg won Best Supporting Actress for GHOST
> Bruce Joel Rubin won Best Original Screenplay for GHOST

See my above comment on Here Comes Mr. Jordan!

> 2003:

> THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RETURN OF THE KING won Best Picture
> Peter Jackson won Best Director for same.
> Fran Walsh, Philippa Boyen, & Peter Jackson won Best Adapted Screenplay
> for same

Fantasy, not sci-fi.

Signed,

Rick Vendl II
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228502 ] Mi, 08 März 2006 17:27
jayembee  
"TrekkiELO" <RFVendlII [at] aol.com> wrote:

> jayembee wrote:
>> "TrekkiELO" <RFVend... [at] aol.com> wrote:
>
>>> More than just that is the fact science fiction has yet to win
>>> in one of Oscar's big 5 categories (ie: best picture, director,
>>> actor/actress or supporting actor/actress) despite being nominated
>>> many times,
>
>> Actually, the "Big Five" are generally considered to be Best Picture,
>> Best Director, Best Screenplay (either original or adapted), Best
>> Actor, and Best Actress. But adding the Supporting acting categories
>> to that list...
>
> I stand corrected.
>
>> 1931/1932:
>
>> Fredric March won Best Actor (actually, tied) for DR. JEKYLL & MR,
>> HYDE
>
> Horror, not sci-fi.

Both. A doctor doing research into the psyche creates a formula
that can separate the Id from the Ego. He's a doctor. He makes
observations, he comes up with a theory, he performs experiments
in his laboratory to prove his theory. Classic Scientific Method.

So what's not science fiction?

I suppose you also don't consider FRANKENSTEIN to be SF either.

>> HERE COMES MR. JORDAN
>
> I wouldn't count a movie about dying and coming back as sci-fi.
>
>> HARVEY
>
> A story about an imaginary friend hardly counts as sci-fi.
>
>> THE EXORCIST
>
> Horror, not sci-fi.
>
>> COCOON
>
> I stand corrected, sci-fi won once.
>
>> GHOST
>
> See my above comment on Here Comes Mr. Jordan!
>
>> THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RETURN OF THE KING
>
> Fantasy, not sci-fi.

So you're seriously advancing a thesis that the Academy, which
apparently has no problem with films about angels, devils,
ghosts, invisible rabbits, sorcerers, and elves are biased
against science fiction?

Especially given, as you youself pointed out, that SF films
have been nominated in these categories. But tell me, in
exactly how many of those instances should the SF film in
question have actually won for qualitative reasons?
(And keep in mind that not only would you need to argue that
the SF film in question is better than the film that won
against it, but that it's hands-down better than the other
nominees as well.)

-- jayembee
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228520 ] Fr, 10 März 2006 22:39
Notifier Deamon  
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Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228521 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 03:00
Captain Infinity  
Once Upon A Time Straker wrote:

>Some of these SF junkies are so hyped up on the genre that they really
>can't see that 99% of SF is just not that good and the rest is good,
>but not the very best. Not to say that the awards always go to the
>absolute best. But just look at how often they bring up 2001. While I
>grant you that it was visually a great achievement, the story just left
>me completely cold. What does it really say about the human condition
>in the end? Not much that I could see. The human characters weren't any
>warmer than Hal himself.

That was the whole point. You got the message, you just didn't like it.


**
Captain Infinity
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228522 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 04:21
CaptainPike  
"Brad Filippone" <al019 [at] chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
news:duh4li$djr$4 [at] News.Dal.Ca...
> jimmy [at] the.raunch wrote:
> : He didn't die in 2005.
>
> Neither did Shelly Winters, and she was included.
>
> Brad

Thank the queers in Hollywood for that one. They seem to love Shelly
Winters.
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #228523 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 04:39
jayembee  
Straker <sky.diver [at] moonbase.alpha> wrote:

> Some of these SF junkies are so hyped up on the genre that they really
> can't see that 99% of SF is just not that good and the rest is good,
> but not the very best. Not to say that the awards always go to the
> absolute best. But just look at how often they bring up 2001. While I
> grant you that it was visually a great achievement, the story just left
> me completely cold. What does it really say about the human condition
> in the end? Not much that I could see. The human characters weren't any
> warmer than Hal himself. People like to say 2010 didn't hold a candle
> to 2001, but to me the characters there were 10x better fleshed out
> than the cold fishes in 2001. Well, except for Dave Bowman, who
> remained as stone-faced as in the first movie.

There's a perfectly good reason why that's the case. For much the
same reason why Deckard is much more robotic than the replicants
in BLADE RUNNER. Your post reveals that you completely failed to
understand the point of 2001.

-- jayembee
Re: Oscars and Star Trek [message #236240 ] Di, 14 März 2006 15:12
Benjamin Pavsner  
IMO, you take B movie scripts, give it A movie special effects and slightly
better than B movie cast and voila, you've got Star Trek. Oh, you get the
occasional A grade actor (Frank Langella, Louis Fletcher and Whoopie
Goldberg. Two of whom have won Oscars), but I 've found that more the
exception than the rule. A lot of the better Sci Fi and Fantasy I've seen
are less about gadgets, technobabble and morality plays and more about
people and their struggles.
"Stan Jensen" <spam [at] wonderful.spam> wrote in message
news:u7ko02t02075p9pd533lbtumglq73jbq3h [at] 4ax.com...
> On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 00:10:51 -0500, "Evelyn C. Leeper"
> <eleeper [at] optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >Brad Filippone wrote:
> >
> >> Mr. Wise directed one heck of a lot of movies. They could not possibly
> >> show them all.
> >
> >And the films they listed (THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL, THE SOUND OF
> >MUSIC, and WEST SIDE STORY) are way more important in film history than
> >STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE.
>
> And Robert Wise EDITED "Citizen Kane."
>
> Sorry, but as a Trek fan from almost day one, there's no Trek film
> that can compare to any of the films here.
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