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"Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203911] Di, 17 Januar 2006 08:41
ToolPackinMama  
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/brothers.html

--
Jesus never said word one against Gays. (Laura Goodwin)
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203913 ] Di, 17 Januar 2006 08:59
ToolPackinMama  
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/thyla.htm
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203914 ] Di, 17 Januar 2006 09:02
ToolPackinMama  
AMOK TIME: Spock confided in Kirk about his sex needs, then he invited
Kirk to come with him to his wedding, then he gets in a big fight with
Kirk, then after his fight with Kirk he suddenly comes to his senses,
and his fiancée says _she had a feeling that neither Kirk nor Spock
would want her_ (which is why she's glad that Stonn is there). Then
Spock goes back to the ship, without mating with her, nor with anyone
else. As far as we know, at that point he's still in mortal danger: in
desperate need of a mate. When Spock discovers that Kirk is in fact
alive, he grabs Kirk and gives Kirk a big smile, acting wildly
emotional, which McCoy comments on. Then Kirk and Spock run off
together...and that's the HAPPY ENDING, literally.

After that, they live (more or less) happily ever after, without either
one of them ever marrying a woman. OK, they weren't always happy with
each other, but they did stick together until death did them part.
That's how the story ends. And death has to try to part them more than
once before it finally wins, too. Talk about a couple of die-hards!

Gee, if only it wasn't two men. If it was a man and woman we were
talking about, we could call it romantic. We could call it a Great Love
Story. But people aren't ready for a great love story about two men, so
I guess we have to settle for calling it a really great friendship.

"IN A PIG'S EYE!"

http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/chekovsaw.html
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203915 ] Di, 17 Januar 2006 09:04
ToolPackinMama  
ToolPackinMama wrote:
> AMOK TIME: Spock confided in Kirk about his sex needs, then he invited
> Kirk to come with him to his wedding, then he gets in a big fight with
> Kirk, then after his fight with Kirk he suddenly comes to his senses,
> and his fiancée says _she had a feeling that neither Kirk nor Spock
> would want her_ (which is why she's glad that Stonn is there). Then
> Spock goes back to the ship, without mating with her, nor with anyone
> else. As far as we know, at that point he's still in mortal danger: in
> desperate need of a mate. When Spock discovers that Kirk is in fact
> alive, he grabs Kirk and gives Kirk a big smile, acting wildly
> emotional, which McCoy comments on. Then Kirk and Spock run off
> together...and that's the HAPPY ENDING, literally.

http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/amok.htm

http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/mymadness.jpg
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203918 ] Di, 17 Januar 2006 15:26
Jonah Falcon  
Gene Roddenberry addressed this in the novelization of Star Trek: The Motion
Picture. Please read it.

"ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
news:43CCA512.2010200 [at] lauragoodwin.org...
> ToolPackinMama wrote:
>> AMOK TIME: Spock confided in Kirk about his sex needs, then he invited
>> Kirk to come with him to his wedding, then he gets in a big fight with
>> Kirk, then after his fight with Kirk he suddenly comes to his senses, and
>> his fiancée says _she had a feeling that neither Kirk nor Spock would
>> want her_ (which is why she's glad that Stonn is there). Then Spock goes
>> back to the ship, without mating with her, nor with anyone else. As far
>> as we know, at that point he's still in mortal danger: in desperate need
>> of a mate. When Spock discovers that Kirk is in fact alive, he grabs Kirk
>> and gives Kirk a big smile, acting wildly emotional, which McCoy comments
>> on. Then Kirk and Spock run off together...and that's the HAPPY ENDING,
>> literally.
>
> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/amok.htm
>
> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/mymadness.jpg
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203919 ] Di, 17 Januar 2006 17:01
Jaxtraw  
"ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
news:43CCA4A0.8090602 [at] lauragoodwin.org...
> AMOK TIME: Spock confided in Kirk about his sex needs, then he invited
> Kirk to come with him to his wedding, then he gets in a big fight with
> Kirk, then after his fight with Kirk he suddenly comes to his senses,
> and his fiancée says _she had a feeling that neither Kirk nor Spock
> would want her_ (which is why she's glad that Stonn is there).

Nonsense. It's obvious T'Pring and Stonn have been at it like rabbits. They
just couldn't say that overtly on 60s TV. She never wanted Spock, let alone
his boyfriend Jim.

I still contend that as originally envisaged in that script, Pon Farr isn't
"Vulcans only feel the urge to have sex every 7 years". It's an urge to
initiate pair bonding. You really think Amanda would have married a guy that
she can only have sex with every 7 years? Of course not.

T'Pring doesn't need Spock because she's already got hot stuff Stonn. Her
only problem is getting out of the societally imposed marriage- which as
Spock says, she does in a most logical fashion.

:)

Ian

--
www.jaxtrawstudios.com
science fiction comics with shagging in
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny killfile laura perversion [message #203923 ] Di, 17 Januar 2006 20:00
ANIM8Rfsk  
in article Q87zf.1028$rH5.742 [at] newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net, Jonah Falcon
at jonahnynla [at] mindspring.com wrote on 1/17/06 7:26 AM:

> Gene Roddenberry addressed this in the novelization of Star Trek: The Motion
> Picture. Please read it.

RE the FAQ, recently posted: Please add the killfile words when TPM
perverts a thread.

Thanks!

>
> "ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> news:43CCA512.2010200 [at] lauragoodwin.org...
>> ToolPackinMama wrote:
>>> AMOK TIME: Spock confided in Kirk about his sex needs, then he invited
>>> Kirk to come with him to his wedding, then he gets in a big fight with
>>> Kirk, then after his fight with Kirk he suddenly comes to his senses, and
>>> his fiancée says _she had a feeling that neither Kirk nor Spock would
>>> want her_ (which is why she's glad that Stonn is there). Then Spock goes
>>> back to the ship, without mating with her, nor with anyone else. As far
>>> as we know, at that point he's still in mortal danger: in desperate need
>>> of a mate. When Spock discovers that Kirk is in fact alive, he grabs Kirk
>>> and gives Kirk a big smile, acting wildly emotional, which McCoy comments
>>> on. Then Kirk and Spock run off together...and that's the HAPPY ENDING,
>>> literally.
>>
>> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/amok.htm
>>
>> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/mymadness.jpg
>
>
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203924 ] Di, 17 Januar 2006 20:25
Wouter Valentijn  
Jonah Falcon wrote:
> "ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> news:43CCA512.2010200 [at] lauragoodwin.org...
>> ToolPackinMama wrote:
>>> AMOK TIME: Spock confided in Kirk about his sex needs, then he

I think the word 'need' is an understatement. ;)


>>> invited Kirk to come with him to his wedding, then he gets in a big
>>> fight with Kirk, then after his fight with Kirk he suddenly comes
>>> to his senses, and his fiancée says _she had a feeling that neither
>>> Kirk nor Spock would want her_ (which is why she's glad that Stonn
>>> is there). Then Spock goes back to the ship, without mating with
>>> her, nor with anyone else. As far as we know, at that point he's
>>> still in mortal danger: in desperate need of a mate. When Spock
>>> discovers that Kirk is in fact alive, he grabs Kirk and gives Kirk
>>> a big smile, acting wildly emotional, which McCoy comments on. Then
>>> Kirk and Spock run off together...and that's the HAPPY ENDING,
>>> literally.
>>
>> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/amok.htm
>>
>> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/mymadness.jpg

> Gene Roddenberry addressed this in the novelization of Star Trek: The
> Motion Picture. Please read it.
>

Actually TPM posted a link in this thread to her site quoting text from
that novel.
I don't agree with her interpretation of it as it is, but she does know and
acknowledge it exists.

--
Wouter Valentijn

www.wouter.cc
www.nksf.nl
www.zeppodunsel.nl
liam=mail

The glory of creation is in its infinite diversity and the ways our
differences combine to create meaning and beauty.
Vulcan IDIC "Is There In Truth No Beauty?"
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203926 ] Di, 17 Januar 2006 21:00
Kweeg  
"Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote in message
news:43cd44a6$0$11066$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl...
> Jonah Falcon wrote:
> > "ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> > news:43CCA512.2010200 [at] lauragoodwin.org...
> >> ToolPackinMama wrote:
> >>> AMOK TIME: Spock confided in Kirk about his sex needs, then he
>
> I think the word 'need' is an understatement. ;)
>
>
> >>> invited Kirk to come with him to his wedding, then he gets in a big
> >>> fight with Kirk, then after his fight with Kirk he suddenly comes
> >>> to his senses, and his fiancée says _she had a feeling that neither
> >>> Kirk nor Spock would want her_ (which is why she's glad that Stonn
> >>> is there). Then Spock goes back to the ship, without mating with
> >>> her, nor with anyone else. As far as we know, at that point he's
> >>> still in mortal danger: in desperate need of a mate. When Spock
> >>> discovers that Kirk is in fact alive, he grabs Kirk and gives Kirk
> >>> a big smile, acting wildly emotional, which McCoy comments on. Then
> >>> Kirk and Spock run off together...and that's the HAPPY ENDING,
> >>> literally.
> >>
> >> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/amok.htm
> >>
> >> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/mymadness.jpg
>
> > Gene Roddenberry addressed this in the novelization of Star Trek: The
> > Motion Picture. Please read it.
> >
>
> Actually TPM posted a link in this thread to her site quoting text from
> that novel.
> I don't agree with her interpretation of it as it is, but she does know
and
> acknowledge it exists.


And most likely according to her you are wrong as her interpretation is the
*only* correct one. She is defiantly not a believer of IDIC.

--

Qapla'
Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
"Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty (Spectre of the Gun)
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203928 ] Di, 17 Januar 2006 21:43
Jaxtraw  
"ANIM8Rfsk" <ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net> wrote in message
news:BFF28CE1.66A28%ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net...
> in article Q87zf.1028$rH5.742 [at] newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net, Jonah
Falcon
> at jonahnynla [at] mindspring.com wrote on 1/17/06 7:26 AM:
>
> > Gene Roddenberry addressed this in the novelization of Star Trek: The
Motion
> > Picture. Please read it.
>
> RE the FAQ, recently posted: Please add the killfile words when TPM
> perverts a thread.
>
> Thanks!
>

Stop being silly.
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203929 ] Di, 17 Januar 2006 22:37
VernonT  
"ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
news:43CCA4A0.8090602 [at] lauragoodwin.org...
>................... desperate need of a mate. When Spock discovers that
>Kirk is in fact alive, he grabs Kirk and gives Kirk a big smile, acting
>wildly emotional, which McCoy comments on. Then Kirk and Spock run off
>together...and that's the HAPPY ENDING, literally.
>
> After that, they live (more or less) happily ever after, without either
> one of them ever marrying a woman. OK, they weren't always happy with each
> other, but they did stick together until death did them part. That's how
> the story ends.

Forget about Spock's Kohlinahr (sp), did ya??
Spock left the Enterprise to study on Vulcan, prepared never to return.
How romantic is that? Yea, I'd say brothers.

You are persistant, even though misguided ;-)
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203938 ] Mi, 18 Januar 2006 07:02
ToolPackinMama  
Jaxtraw wrote:
> "ANIM8Rfsk" <ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net> wrote in message
> news:BFF28CE1.66A28%ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net...
>
>>in article Q87zf.1028$rH5.742 [at] newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net, Jonah
>
> Falcon
>
>>at jonahnynla [at] mindspring.com wrote on 1/17/06 7:26 AM:
>>
>>
>>>Gene Roddenberry addressed this in the novelization of Star Trek: The
>
> Motion
>
>>>Picture. Please read it.
>>
>>RE the FAQ, recently posted: Please add the killfile words when TPM
>>perverts a thread.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>
>
> Stop being silly.

Thank you. :)
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203939 ] Mi, 18 Januar 2006 07:05
ToolPackinMama  
VernonT wrote:

> Forget about Spock's Kohlinahr (sp), did ya??

No...

http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/thyla.htm

I assume you mean Spock's FAILED Kohlinar, yes? The voice that called
to him from outer space... couldn't it have been JIM?

http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/lostyears.htm
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203943 ] Mi, 18 Januar 2006 11:43
Ragnar  
ToolPackinMama wrote:
> VernonT wrote:
>
>> Forget about Spock's Kohlinahr (sp), did ya??
>
>
> No...
>
> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/thyla.htm
>
> I assume you mean Spock's FAILED Kohlinar, yes? The voice that called
> to him from outer space... couldn't it have been JIM?

It was V'Ger. This is quite clear in both the movie and the book.
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203945 ] Mi, 18 Januar 2006 16:14
Jaxtraw  
"ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
news:Ju-dnX3Urc9DRFDenZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
> Jaxtraw wrote:
> > "ANIM8Rfsk" <ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:BFF28CE1.66A28%ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net...
> >
> >>in article Q87zf.1028$rH5.742 [at] newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net, Jonah
> >
> > Falcon
> >
> >>at jonahnynla [at] mindspring.com wrote on 1/17/06 7:26 AM:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Gene Roddenberry addressed this in the novelization of Star Trek: The
> >
> > Motion
> >
> >>>Picture. Please read it.
> >>
> >>RE the FAQ, recently posted: Please add the killfile words when TPM
> >>perverts a thread.
> >>
> >>Thanks!
> >>
> >
> >
> > Stop being silly.
>
> Thank you. :)

Usenet is not the place to demand protection from different points of view
:)

Ian
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203947 ] Mi, 18 Januar 2006 19:21
ToolPackinMama  
Jaxtraw wrote:

> Usenet is not the place to demand protection from different points of view
> :)

:)
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203948 ] Mi, 18 Januar 2006 19:55
Wouter Valentijn  
Kweeg wrote:
> "Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote in message
> news:43cd44a6$0$11066$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl...
>> Jonah Falcon wrote:
>>> "ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
>>> news:43CCA512.2010200 [at] lauragoodwin.org...
>>>> ToolPackinMama wrote:
>>>>> AMOK TIME: Spock confided in Kirk about his sex needs, then he
>>
>> I think the word 'need' is an understatement. ;)
>>
>>
>>>>> invited Kirk to come with him to his wedding, then he gets in a
>>>>> big fight with Kirk, then after his fight with Kirk he suddenly
>>>>> comes to his senses, and his fiancée says _she had a feeling that
>>>>> neither Kirk nor Spock would want her_ (which is why she's glad
>>>>> that Stonn is there). Then Spock goes back to the ship, without
>>>>> mating with her, nor with anyone else. As far as we know, at that
>>>>> point he's still in mortal danger: in desperate need of a mate.
>>>>> When Spock discovers that Kirk is in fact alive, he grabs Kirk
>>>>> and gives Kirk a big smile, acting wildly emotional, which McCoy
>>>>> comments on. Then Kirk and Spock run off together...and that's
>>>>> the HAPPY ENDING, literally.
>>>>
>>>> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/amok.htm
>>>>
>>>> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/mymadness.jpg
>>
>>> Gene Roddenberry addressed this in the novelization of Star Trek:
>>> The Motion Picture. Please read it.
>>>
>>
>> Actually TPM posted a link in this thread to her site quoting text
>> from that novel.
>> I don't agree with her interpretation of it as it is, but she does
>> know and acknowledge it exists.
>
>
> And most likely according to her you are wrong as her interpretation
> is the *only* correct one. She is defiantly not a believer of IDIC.

Oh, well...


--
Wouter Valentijn

www.wouter.cc
www.nksf.nl
www.zeppodunsel.nl
liam=mail

The glory of creation is in its infinite diversity and the ways our
differences combine to create meaning and beauty.
Vulcan IDIC "Is There In Truth No Beauty?"
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203955 ] Do, 19 Januar 2006 02:16
ToolPackinMama  
Kweeg wrote:
> She is defiantly not a believer of IDIC.

LOL
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203957 ] Do, 19 Januar 2006 05:46
ToolPackinMama  
ToolPackinMama wrote:
> VernonT wrote:
>
>> Forget about Spock's Kohlinahr (sp), did ya??
>
>
> No...
>
> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/thyla.htm
>
> I assume you mean Spock's FAILED Kohlinar, yes? The voice that called
> to him from outer space... couldn't it have been JIM?
>
> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/lostyears.htm

I repeat: The voice that called to Spock from outer space in ST: TMP...
couldn't it have been JIM?
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203958 ] Do, 19 Januar 2006 05:53
ToolPackinMama  
"Every act of creation is first an act of destruction." ~ Pablo Picasso

Just cos I advocate in favor of a particular point of view doesn't mean
I'm intolerant of alternative views.

:)

But what's alternative about the same old shit?

:)
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203959 ] Do, 19 Januar 2006 11:43
Ragnar  
ToolPackinMama wrote:
> ToolPackinMama wrote:
>
>> VernonT wrote:
>>
>>> Forget about Spock's Kohlinahr (sp), did ya??
>>
>>
>>
>> No...
>>
>> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/thyla.htm
>>
>> I assume you mean Spock's FAILED Kohlinar, yes? The voice that called
>> to him from outer space... couldn't it have been JIM?
>>
>> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/lostyears.htm
>
>
> I repeat: The voice that called to Spock from outer space in ST: TMP...
> couldn't it have been JIM?

No, it was V'Ger. This is quite clear from both the movie and the book.
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203960 ] Do, 19 Januar 2006 11:44
Ragnar  
ToolPackinMama wrote:

>
> But what's alternative about the same old shit?

Yes, your twisted view is the same old shit you have tried to force on
us for years. Whats alternative about that?
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203962 ] Do, 19 Januar 2006 14:18
m5comp  
>>>>> "ToolPackinMama" == ToolPackinMama <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> writes:

ToolPackinMama> Just cos I advocate in favor of a particular point
ToolPackinMama> of view doesn't mean I'm intolerant of alternative
ToolPackinMama> views.

IIRC, you called me a "troll" once just because I disagreed with you. If
you enjoy pretending that Kirk and Spock are lovers, that's fine, but
you need to realize that a *lot* of people disagree with you. I enjoy
reading your analyses of Kirk when they're not too tangled up in your
K/S theories.

JL

--
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Trek Bits <http://homepage.mac.com/m5comp/trekbits/>
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203969 ] Do, 19 Januar 2006 18:52
Kweeg  
"J. Lester" <m5comp [at] mac.com.munged> wrote in message
news:m21wz4s6dq.fsf [at] dialup-4.153.8.230.dial1.atlanta1.level3.net...
> >>>>> "ToolPackinMama" == ToolPackinMama <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> writes:
>
> ToolPackinMama> Just cos I advocate in favor of a particular point
> ToolPackinMama> of view doesn't mean I'm intolerant of alternative
> ToolPackinMama> views.
>
> IIRC, you called me a "troll" once just because I disagreed with you. If
> you enjoy pretending that Kirk and Spock are lovers, that's fine, but
> you need to realize that a *lot* of people disagree with you. I enjoy
> reading your analyses of Kirk when they're not too tangled up in your
> K/S theories.

Indeed. Her above statement is rich. She has to be the most narrow-minded,
intolerant control freak I've seen around here.

--

Qapla'
Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
"Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty (Spectre of the Gun)
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203972 ] Do, 19 Januar 2006 20:06
nunca  
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:52:31 GMT, "Kweeg" <kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca>
wrote:

>"J. Lester" <m5comp [at] mac.com.munged> wrote in message
>news:m21wz4s6dq.fsf [at] dialup-4.153.8.230.dial1.atlanta1.level3.net...
>> >>>>> "ToolPackinMama" == ToolPackinMama <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> writes:
>>
>> ToolPackinMama> Just cos I advocate in favor of a particular point
>> ToolPackinMama> of view doesn't mean I'm intolerant of alternative
>> ToolPackinMama> views.
>>
>> IIRC, you called me a "troll" once just because I disagreed with you. If
>> you enjoy pretending that Kirk and Spock are lovers, that's fine, but
>> you need to realize that a *lot* of people disagree with you. I enjoy
>> reading your analyses of Kirk when they're not too tangled up in your
>> K/S theories.
>
>Indeed. Her above statement is rich. She has to be the most narrow-minded,
>intolerant control freak I've seen around here.


Maybe you should invest in a mirror.
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203973 ] Do, 19 Januar 2006 21:32
Kweeg  
"SrEspectro" <nunca [at] hogar.mundo> wrote in message
news:7oovs1trurq73tc1l4tc1v562qi5luk7iu [at] 4ax.com...
> On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:52:31 GMT, "Kweeg" <kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >"J. Lester" <m5comp [at] mac.com.munged> wrote in message
> >news:m21wz4s6dq.fsf [at] dialup-4.153.8.230.dial1.atlanta1.level3.net...
> >> >>>>> "ToolPackinMama" == ToolPackinMama <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org>
writes:
> >>
> >> ToolPackinMama> Just cos I advocate in favor of a particular point
> >> ToolPackinMama> of view doesn't mean I'm intolerant of alternative
> >> ToolPackinMama> views.
> >>
> >> IIRC, you called me a "troll" once just because I disagreed with you.
If
> >> you enjoy pretending that Kirk and Spock are lovers, that's fine, but
> >> you need to realize that a *lot* of people disagree with you. I enjoy
> >> reading your analyses of Kirk when they're not too tangled up in your
> >> K/S theories.
> >
> >Indeed. Her above statement is rich. She has to be the most
narrow-minded,
> >intolerant control freak I've seen around here.
>
>
> Maybe you should invest in a mirror.

baa ha haa good one.

--

Qapla'
Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
"Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty (Spectre of the Gun)
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203977 ] Fr, 20 Januar 2006 01:54
ToolPackinMama  
:)

<<Captain Kirk, despite his reputation, is in fact *not* a man who has
sex with every woman he encounters. It's been firmly established that he
had sex for sure with only two women during TOS, and in the TOS-crew
movies. TWO, total. He wanted to in a few other cases, but didn't
manage. Some of the women he is paired with were after him, but he did
not encourage them. In many cases where he has his hands on a woman, he
is in fact touching her only to push her away, or shake some sense into her.

What's really noteworthy about Kirk's affairs with women is that we
NEVER ONCE saw him meet a woman, choose her, court her, win her, and end
up in bed with her ~while he was in control of the situation and master
of his own fate~.>>

http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/gayks.htm

:)
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203979 ] Fr, 20 Januar 2006 02:03
ToolPackinMama  
ToolPackinMama wrote:

> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/gayks.htm

<<People who think that Gay men never embrace and make love to women are
wrong. The truth is, most homosexuals at least experiment with
heterosexual relationships, especially when they are young. This is true
about Lesbians, too.

Many Gay men even marry, and have families, before finally deciding
after all that they are Gay. Kirk strikes me as that sort of a fellow.
He certainly is capable of being interested in women on rare occasions,
and he is apparently at least somewhat functional with them... but most
Gay men could say the same.>>


--
Jesus never said word one against Gays. (Laura Goodwin)
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203980 ] Fr, 20 Januar 2006 02:21
ToolPackinMama  
ToolPackinMama wrote:

> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/gayks.htm

<<Gene Roddenberry admitted in an interview that they do love each other
well enough that a sexual relationship is possible. In fact, it's
because of Roddenberry and his direct influence that the guys seem Gay
at all.

*<< We [the interviewers] tell Gene [Roddenberry] something of our
recent interview with Bill [Shatner] and Leonard [Nimoy] - touching on
the Kirk-Spock relationship, and Nimoy's feeling that Kirk was essential
to Spock's life:

"I know you've told us you designed that relationship as 'Two halves
which come together to make a whole'. Is that how you still see it?"

[Roddenberry]: "Oh yes. As I've said, I definitely designed it as a love
relationship. I think that's what we're all about - love, the effort to
reach out to each other. I think that's a lovely thing. Also,
dramatically, I designed Kirk and Spock to complete each other - and in
fact, the Kirk, Spock McCoy triad to be the dramatic embodiment of the
parts of one person: logic, emotion, and the balance between them. You
cannot have an internal monolog on the screen, so that is a way of
personifying it, getting it out where it can be seen - that internal
debate which we all have within. AND I designed Kirk and Spock, as I
told you, as dream images of myself, the two halves. But in terms of the
characters, yes. That closeness... absolutely." >>*

There is also this:

*<< "There's a great deal of writing in the Star Trek movement which
compares the relationship between Alexander and Hephaistion* to the
relationship between Kirk and Spock - focusing on the closeness of the
friendship, the feeling that they would die for one another..."

[Roddenberry]: "Yes, there's certainly some of that - certainly with
love overtones. Deep love. The only difference being, the Greek ideal -
we never suggested in the series - physical love between the two. But
it's the - we certainly had the feeling that the affection was
sufficient for that, if that were the particular style of the 23rd
century." >>*

[From: Shatner: Where No Man...: The Authorized Biography of William
Shatner (Chapter 7 - Page 145, 147-8)]

GR by his own admission envisioned the Kirk/Spock relationship as a love
relationship from the start, and he explicitly asked the writers to
portray it that way. And they agreed, and gave him what he asked for.
Bear in mind that none of that would be in the show at all if it hadn't
deliberately been put there.

We're not talking bloopers and bad takes. We are talking about what was
crafted into the show with great care.

GR did *many* things that encouraged the K/S interpretation. For
example, in The Motion Picture novel, he coined a Vulcan word, T'hy'la,
to label their relationship with, apparently because the word "friend"
wasn't all-encompassing enough. T'hy'la translates to
"friend/brother/lover".

We learned about Pon Farr in TOS, and at that time Spock compared
himself to a salmon returning home to spawn. He offered an unequivocally
*biological* explanation. BTW, the manifestations of Pon Farr were also
clearly biological, not merely psychological. Spock suffered from fever,
wild mood swings, loss of appetite, memory lapses, and tremendous
physical and emotional tension. Dr. McCoy told Captain Kirk that Spock's
condition was as if huge amounts of adrenaline were being pumped into
his bloodstream. McCoy's medical opinion was that Spock wasn't going
crazy, he was in mortal danger. Because Kirk was convinced that his
friend Spock would die otherwise, Jim risked his career by disobeying
orders to take Spock home.

Being half-human, Spock was atypical. He amazed T'Pau when he struggled
up from the depths of Plak Tow to plead for Jim to be excused from
fighting. Despite Spock's mentally and emotionally disordered state,
Spock was able to offer some perfectly reasonable excuses for Jim. T'Pau
refused to consider it, because apparently it was very weird for one
combatant to plead for the life of another. I wouldn't be surprised if
there were no precedent.

After the fight, instead of claiming his bride, Spock oddly became calm
and decided to forget about T'Pring and return to the ship without
assuaging his mating drive. He joyfully embraced Jim at the end (which
Jim apparently liked). Then the two ran off together. This was the happy
ending! This, among other things, led some people to conclude that Spock
and Kirk might be Gay lovers.

There are hundreds of other hints, some quite heavy-handed and obvious,
liberally sprinkled throughout TOS and in the TOS crew movies which only
encourage this interpretation. But the hints are non-overt, or
ambiguous, and that makes them subtle enough that many people can still
shout that they don't see any. Some folks don't see them even when the
bits in question are pointed out to them. I'm sure that _that_ is
because they resist the idea, not because the idea has no merit.
>>
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203981 ] Fr, 20 Januar 2006 02:30
ToolPackinMama  
<<One thing people say to K/Sers is that there are no overt, obvious
signs that Kirk or Spock are definitely Gay. Well, of course there are
not. It was a 1960's TV show that was intended for a general audience.
But if you believe the movie "The Celluloid Closet", it wouldn't be the
first time Gay characters were carefully concealed, and artfully
packaged for general consumption.

Remember the Monty Python bit about the advantages of not being seen?
The advantage of not being seen is that you make a poor target when you
are not seen by your enemies. TOS wouldn't have lasted three seasons if
it had been overt. You can't infiltrate subversive ideas with your TV
show if nobody sees the TV show, right? If you want to be seen without
being recognized by your enemies as a target, then you can't simply
hide, because then you wouldn't be seen at all. No, in a case like that
you have to do a little thing that is called "Hiding in plain sight".

When you hide in plain sight, you are seen, but you are not seen for
what you are, except by the right people.

Gays have been hiding in plain sight for centuries. If you don't see any
around you, it's not because they are not there, it's because you don't
see them. When someone is hiding in plain sight anyone can see them, but
only someone who knows how to see them can see them for what they are.
Only someone who wants to see, and knows what to look for, can see.

Kirk and Spock are hiding their relationship in plain sight. The reason
why they are hiding in a 1960's TV show is because you can't be obvious
in a 1960's TV show, but why might they be hiding in the 2200s?

For the same reason that Spock didn't broadcast the fact that he was
Ambassador Sarek's son: because Spock and Kirk are highly visible
military men, meaning they are highly visible military targets. The less
people in general know about their relationships, then the less likely
it is that that info could be used against them or their loved ones by
enemies. Get it?

Kirk and Spock don't act like they are hiding their relationship from
their comrades. They are discreet, that is all. Still, the very deep
intimacy they share and great fond regard they have for each other
couldn't be plainer, and it certainly is beyond what ordinary good
friends enjoy. It's also fairly plain that their closest friends and
comrades know what's going on, and accept it.

The indisputable truth is this: Kirk and Spock's relationship with each
other is their primary relationship. It goes on for decades and
withstands all manner of crushing trials. Even death doesn't keep them
apart. That's verifiable canon. Nobody can convincingly deny that. That
Kirk and Spock love each other more than they love anybody else is
utterly obvious. That is not imaginary, nor accidental. That was
intentionally placed in the show by the show's creators, and it was in
fact spotlighted in nearly every TOS story, and in the movies, too.

Kirk and Spock love each other, and that is no minor point: their
unusual love for each other is a large part of what makes Star Trek
unique. In fact, their relationship - and the way their relationship is
respected by others - symbolizes what Star Trek is all about. >>

http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/prooflove.htm


--
Jesus never said word one against Gays. (Laura Goodwin)
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203982 ] Fr, 20 Januar 2006 02:43
ToolPackinMama  
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/backrub.html
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203983 ] Fr, 20 Januar 2006 02:44
ToolPackinMama  
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/within.html
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203984 ] Fr, 20 Januar 2006 02:44
ToolPackinMama  
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/turnabout.html
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203985 ] Fr, 20 Januar 2006 02:47
ToolPackinMama  
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/yours.jpg

http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/neither.jpg

http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/defend.jpg
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203986 ] Fr, 20 Januar 2006 02:56
ToolPackinMama  
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/metaphors.jpg
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203987 ] Fr, 20 Januar 2006 03:04
ToolPackinMama  
ToolPackinMama wrote:
> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/metaphors.jpg

Kirk's wearing LAVENDER, Spock's in a dress, they are in San Francisco,
and are just strolling in the sunshine together... exactly like the
*other* couple in the scene.

JEEZ! What do you guys need, flash cards?
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203988 ] Fr, 20 Januar 2006 03:20
ToolPackinMama  
J. Lester wrote:
>>>>>>"ToolPackinMama" == ToolPackinMama <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> writes:
>
>
> ToolPackinMama> Just cos I advocate in favor of a particular point
> ToolPackinMama> of view doesn't mean I'm intolerant of alternative
> ToolPackinMama> views.
>
> IIRC, you called me a "troll" once just because I disagreed with you.

::shrug:: I have been called troll and worse, many times, by you and
others. I'M STILL STANDIN'. :)

> If
> you enjoy pretending that Kirk and Spock are lovers, that's fine

Damn right it's fine. :)

> but
> you need to realize that a *lot* of people disagree with you.

:)

Lyrics... They All Laughed
Writer(s): gershwin/gershwin


The odds were a hundred to one against me
The world thought the heights were too high to climb
But people from missouri never incensed me
Oh, I wasn't a bit concerned
For from history I had learned...
How many, many times the worm had turned

:)

They all laughed at Christopher Columbus
When he said the world was round
They all laughed when Edison recorded sound
They all laughed at Wilbur and his brother
When they said that man could fly
They told Marconi
Wireless was a phony
It's the same old cry

They laughed at me wanting you
Said I was reaching for the moon
But oh, you came through
Now they'll have to change their tune

They all said we never could be happy
They laughed at us, and how!
But ho, ho, ho!
Who's got the last laugh now?

They all laughed at Rockefeller center
Now they're fighting to get in
They all laughed at Whitney and his cotton gin
They all laughed Fulton and his steamboat
Hershey and his chocolate bar
Ford and his lizzie
Kept the laughers busy
That's how people are

They laughed at me wanting you
Said it would be, "hello, goodbye."
But oh, you came through
Now they're eating humble pie

They all said we'd never get together
Darling, let's take a bow
For ho, ho, ho!
Who's got the last laugh now?

> I enjoy
> reading your analyses of Kirk when they're not too tangled up in your
> K/S theories.

I aim to please. :)
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203989 ] Fr, 20 Januar 2006 03:21
ToolPackinMama  
Kweeg wrote:
> She has to be the most narrow-minded,
> intolerant control freak I've seen around here.

LOL

I'm a Democrat and a Liberal too. I guess in your book that makes me a
traitor that hates America.

:)
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203990 ] Fr, 20 Januar 2006 03:33
ToolPackinMama  
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/cptnplease.jpg
Re: "Brothers" my aunt Fanny [message #203991 ] Fr, 20 Januar 2006 03:54
nunca  
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:03:44 -0500, ToolPackinMama
<laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote:

>
>ToolPackinMama wrote:
>
>> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/gayks.htm
>
><<People who think that Gay men never embrace and make love to women are
>wrong. The truth is, most homosexuals at least experiment with
>heterosexual relationships, especially when they are young. This is true
>about Lesbians, too.
>
>Many Gay men even marry, and have families, before finally deciding
>after all that they are Gay. Kirk strikes me as that sort of a fellow.
>He certainly is capable of being interested in women on rare occasions,
>and he is apparently at least somewhat functional with them... but most
>Gay men could say the same.>>
>
>
>--
>Jesus never said word one against Gays. (Laura Goodwin)


I've actually grown weary of pretending to be gay, lol.
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