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Science Fiction » alt.startrek » Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized 'A' List
| Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized 'A' List [message #171916] |
Mi, 23 November 2005 22:24 |
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10) Charlie erases the facial features off of a female crewmember
("Charlie X")
9) Nona healing Kirk by having her hand slashed, and then merging her
blood with Kirk's ("A Private Little War")
8) Kirk coming awfully close to hitting on the teenage Miri ("Miri")
7) In "The Gamesters of Triskelion, Chekov is introduced to his drill
thrall -- a transsexual.
6) Spock's going off on McCoy when they're trapped in the Ice Age ("All
Our Yesterdays")
5) Scotty calls Spock a "freak". Spock then raises his fist as if to
bash Scotty's head in. Kirk stops Spock's fist and calls him a
"half-human"; Spock twists Kirk's grasp away as if he's going to murder
Kirk also..("Day Of The Dove")
4) Teenage Charlie apparently attempting to rape Yeoman Janice
("Charlie X")
3) The "Red Hour" ("Return Of The Archons")
2) Nona being gang-raped (and then killed) in "A Private Little War"
And the number one most disturbing scene in TOS:
1) Chekov telling Kang's wife, "You don't die - yet," and then
attempting to rape her.
THE 'A' LIST:
A+: "The City On the Edge Of Forever"
A: "Balance Of Terror" (upgraded from A-)
"Mirror, Mirror"
"The Doomsday Machine"
"Journey To Babel"
A-: "Where No Man Has Gone Before" (upgraded)
"The Enemy Within"
"The Corbomite Maneuver" (upgraded)
"The Menagerie, I and II"
"Space Seed"
"The Devil In The Dark"
"The Trouble With Tribbles"
"Return To Tomorrow" (upgraded)
"The Ultimate Computer"
"Assignment: Earth"
"The Immunity Syndrome" (upgraded two notches)
"The Enterprise Incident"
"Day Of The Dove"
"The Tholian Web"
"The Empath"
"All Our Yesterdays"
"Errand Of Mercy"
"A Private Little War"
Shnaggletooth
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized 'A' List [message #171918 ] |
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<shnaggletooth [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Melvin Belli in a dress was pretty disturbing.
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized 'A' List [message #171920 ] |
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<shnaggletooth [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1132781077.547690.27020 [at] g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> 10) Charlie erases the facial features off of a female crewmember
> ("Charlie X")
>
> 9) Nona healing Kirk by having her hand slashed, and then merging her
> blood with Kirk's ("A Private Little War")
>
> 8) Kirk coming awfully close to hitting on the teenage Miri ("Miri")
>
> 7) In "The Gamesters of Triskelion, Chekov is introduced to his drill
> thrall -- a transsexual.
>
> 6) Spock's going off on McCoy when they're trapped in the Ice Age ("All
> Our Yesterdays")
>
> 5) Scotty calls Spock a "freak". Spock then raises his fist as if to
> bash Scotty's head in. Kirk stops Spock's fist and calls him a
> "half-human"; Spock twists Kirk's grasp away as if he's going to murder
> Kirk also..("Day Of The Dove")
>
> 4) Teenage Charlie apparently attempting to rape Yeoman Janice
> ("Charlie X")
>
> 3) The "Red Hour" ("Return Of The Archons")
>
> 2) Nona being gang-raped (and then killed) in "A Private Little War"
>
> And the number one most disturbing scene in TOS:
>
> 1) Chekov telling Kang's wife, "You don't die - yet," and then
> attempting to rape her.
>
Kirk's sweaty seduction of Lenore Karidian always grosses me out.
Ian
--
www.jaxtrawstudios.com
science fiction with shagging in it
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized'A' List [message #171944 ] |
Do, 24 November 2005 06:02 |
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shnaggletooth [at] yahoo.com wrote:
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> 4) Teenage Charlie apparently attempting to rape Yeoman Janice
> ("Charlie X")
I never thought that was "rape"--Charlie was too young to understand the
feelings he was having. I thought he was making a pass at her.
There was a time in this country where a guy could "steal a kiss" from a
woman without being accused of rape.
> 3) The "Red Hour" ("Return Of The Archons")
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> 2) Nona being gang-raped (and then killed) in "A Private Little War"
>
> And the number one most disturbing scene in TOS:
>
> 1) Chekov telling Kang's wife, "You don't die - yet," and then
> attempting to rape her.
I'm surprised you omitted the evil Kirk's attempted rape and beating of
Yeoman Rand in "The Enemy Within."
--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email: sdlitvin [at] earthlinkNOSPAM.net
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized'A' List [message #171948 ] |
Do, 24 November 2005 06:23 |
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shnaggletooth [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> 10) Charlie erases the facial features off of a female crewmember
> ("Charlie X")
Agreed.
>
> 9) Nona healing Kirk by having her hand slashed, and then merging her
> blood with Kirk's ("A Private Little War")
Agreed.
>
> 8) Kirk coming awfully close to hitting on the teenage Miri ("Miri")
Huh? Maybe he took advantage of her crush a little, but he never really
came close to hitting on her.
> 7) In "The Gamesters of Triskelion, Chekov is introduced to his drill
> thrall -- a transsexual.
Hee hee! But NO. That was a female.
>
> 6) Spock's going off on McCoy when they're trapped in the Ice Age ("All
> Our Yesterdays")
Not one of my top picks for shocking. Spock and Kirk fighting to the
death for T'Pring was more shocking.
> 5) Scotty calls Spock a "freak". Spock then raises his fist as if to
> bash Scotty's head in. Kirk stops Spock's fist and calls him a
> "half-human"; Spock twists Kirk's grasp away as if he's going to murder
> Kirk also..("Day Of The Dove")
Granted.
>
> 4) Teenage Charlie apparently attempting to rape Yeoman Janice
> ("Charlie X")
You already had a Charlie X one. No point.
> 3) The "Red Hour" ("Return Of The Archons")
Granted.
>
> 2) Nona being gang-raped (and then killed) in "A Private Little War"
::shrug::
>
> And the number one most disturbing scene in TOS:
>
> 1) Chekov telling Kang's wife, "You don't die - yet," and then
> attempting to rape her.
IMHO, no.
IMHO, the single most disturbing scene was when Kirk stopped McCoy from
saving Edith Keeler, in "City on the edge of forever".
I also think that the scene of Spock taking out innocent starfleet
personnel as he abducts the invalid Captain Pike (Menagerie) is pretty
sickening.
I really hated "Wolf in the fold" which has scene after scene that seems
to make dear Scotty look like a heartless serial killer. THAT SUCKED!
What about the sicko M5 computer killing innocent starfleet vessels in
what should have been a harmless war-games exercise? And then the
surviving vessels attacked the Enterprise!?
Look, TOS was full of shocking/exciting moments. We had at least one
every episode.
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized'A' List [message #171951 ] |
Do, 24 November 2005 06:26 |
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Jaxtraw wrote:
> Kirk's sweaty seduction of Lenore Karidian always grosses me out.
LOL she was seducing him, LOL. I agree that scene is cringeworthy. :)
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/lkaridian.htm
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized 'A' List [message #171954 ] |
Do, 24 November 2005 06:30 |
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<shnaggletooth [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1132781077.547690.27020 [at] g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> 8) Kirk coming awfully close to hitting on the teenage Miri ("Miri")
>
I didn't read it that way at all.
>
> 6) Spock's going off on McCoy when they're trapped in the Ice Age ("All
> Our Yesterdays")
I thought much more shocking was Spock throwing the soup and Chapel out of
his quarters ("Amok Time")
>
> 5) Scotty calls Spock a "freak". Spock then raises his fist as if to
> bash Scotty's head in. Kirk stops Spock's fist and calls him a
> "half-human"; Spock twists Kirk's grasp away as if he's going to murder
> Kirk also..("Day Of The Dove")
That scene wasn't so shocking, they were already in Bizarro world. I
thought much weirder in that vein was Kirjk hurling racial epithets at
Spock, and Spock almost bashing his head in, to shake off the effects of the
spores. BTW, where can I get one of those spore plants? ;]
>
> 4) Teenage Charlie apparently attempting to rape Yeoman Janice
> ("Charlie X")
>
Again, a much more disturbing version exists. The bad Kirk almost raping
Yeoman Rand, and then later when she's accusing Kirk and the injured guy
bursts in, "It was you, sir!"
That's my opinion, anyway.
Bo Raxo
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized'A' List [message #171956 ] |
Do, 24 November 2005 06:31 |
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Steven L. wrote:
> I'm surprised you omitted the evil Kirk's attempted rape and beating of
> Yeoman Rand in "The Enemy Within."
That scene is in my personal top ten. Not only because the very idea of
rape (on 1960's TV!) is shocking, but because the concept of good-guy
Kirk as the rapist is shocking. He's not (usually) that kind of a guy.
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized'A' List [message #171959 ] |
Do, 24 November 2005 06:52 |
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Bo Raxo wrote:
> <shnaggletooth [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1132781077.547690.27020 [at] g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>>8) Kirk coming awfully close to hitting on the teenage Miri ("Miri")
> I didn't read it that way at all.
No, me neither. Not _seriously_, anyway.
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/itsmiri.htm
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/miri.htm
> I thought much more shocking was Spock throwing the soup and Chapel out of
> his quarters ("Amok Time")
Good one. I agree.
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized 'A' List [message #171964 ] |
Do, 24 November 2005 08:50 |
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shnaggletooth [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> 10) Charlie erases the facial features off of a female crewmember
> ("Charlie X")
>
> 9) Nona healing Kirk by having her hand slashed, and then merging her
> blood with Kirk's ("A Private Little War")
>
IMO they went further over-the-top when she used that plant to seduce
Kirk.
> 8) Kirk coming awfully close to hitting on the teenage Miri ("Miri")
>
Except that Miri wasn't a "teenager." She was centuries old.
> 7) In "The Gamesters of Triskelion, Chekov is introduced to his drill
> thrall -- a transsexual.
>
"Walter Koenig was ill The Day the Earth Stood Still..."
> 6) Spock's going off on McCoy when they're trapped in the Ice Age ("All
> Our Yesterdays")
>
I was more "disturbed" by the accent of the crazy lady accusing Kirk of
being a witch. Every time I watch that ep now I keep expecting her to
start throwing cats at him.
> 5) Scotty calls Spock a "freak". Spock then raises his fist as if to
> bash Scotty's head in. Kirk stops Spock's fist and calls him a
> "half-human"; Spock twists Kirk's grasp away as if he's going to murder
> Kirk also..("Day Of The Dove")
>
> 4) Teenage Charlie apparently attempting to rape Yeoman Janice
> ("Charlie X")
>
Far more disturbing was Passionate Kirk trying to rape her in "Enemy
Within" (I know it's a seperate thread, but I always saw them as
Passionate Kirk and Introspective/Rational Kirk, not "good Kirk" and
"evil Kirk").
> 3) The "Red Hour" ("Return Of The Archons")
>
Apparently, hockey players are of the Body...
> 2) Nona being gang-raped (and then killed) in "A Private Little War"
>
> And the number one most disturbing scene in TOS:
>
> 1) Chekov telling Kang's wife, "You don't die - yet," and then
> attempting to rape her.
>
They really troweled on her make-up, didn't they? Who knew taking
make-up tips from Tammy Faye Bakker was honorable?
*****
The Joker in the Eeeeeeeeeevil Cabal deck of cards.
"Voyager to alien fleet- Hold your fire! Hold your fire!! I promise
that WASN'T a kamikaze attack; that's the way Chakotay ALWAYS lands his
shuttles!!"
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized'A' List [message #171968 ] |
Do, 24 November 2005 10:19 |
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In article <5amdnRs2wenN0xjenZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d [at] comcast.com>,
ToolPackinMama <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote:
>> 6) Spock's going off on McCoy when they're trapped in the Ice Age ("All
>> Our Yesterdays")
>
>Not one of my top picks for shocking. Spock and Kirk fighting
>to the death for T'Pring was more shocking.
Yes ... when McCoy says "He's dead" ... well, you know he
can't be dead, he's the star, but it was a shock.
I still wish they'd used the marvelous lines that James
Blish had in his adaptation for when Kirk comes to in
Sick Bay:
Kirk: You, sir, are a quack.
McCoy: Well, I admit I made a little mistake. Injected
you with <?> instead of TriOx. Nobody lied;
you were dead -- by all normal standards. Of
course, I had to get you up here really quickly,
or you'd have been dead by *any* standards...
--
Tagon: "Where's your sense of adventure?" | Mike Van Pelt
Kevyn: "It died under mysterious circumstances. | mvp at calweb.com
My sense of self-preservation found the body, | KE6BVH
but assures me it has an airtight alibi." (schlockmercenary.com)
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized [message #171970 ] |
Do, 24 November 2005 15:39 |
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ToolPackinMama (laura [at] lauragoodwin.org) wrote:
: shnaggletooth [at] yahoo.com wrote:
: > 10) Charlie erases the facial features off of a female crewmember
: > ("Charlie X")
: Agreed.
: >
: > 9) Nona healing Kirk by having her hand slashed, and then merging her
: > blood with Kirk's ("A Private Little War")
: Agreed.
: >
: > 8) Kirk coming awfully close to hitting on the teenage Miri ("Miri")
: Huh? Maybe he took advantage of her crush a little, but he never really
: came close to hitting on her.
: > 7) In "The Gamesters of Triskelion, Chekov is introduced to his drill
: > thrall -- a transsexual.
: Hee hee! But NO. That was a female.
: >
: > 6) Spock's going off on McCoy when they're trapped in the Ice Age ("All
: > Our Yesterdays")
: Not one of my top picks for shocking. Spock and Kirk fighting to the
: death for T'Pring was more shocking.
: > 5) Scotty calls Spock a "freak". Spock then raises his fist as if to
: > bash Scotty's head in. Kirk stops Spock's fist and calls him a
: > "half-human"; Spock twists Kirk's grasp away as if he's going to murder
: > Kirk also..("Day Of The Dove")
: Granted.
: >
: > 4) Teenage Charlie apparently attempting to rape Yeoman Janice
: > ("Charlie X")
: You already had a Charlie X one. No point.
: > 3) The "Red Hour" ("Return Of The Archons")
: Granted.
: >
: > 2) Nona being gang-raped (and then killed) in "A Private Little War"
: ::shrug::
: >
: > And the number one most disturbing scene in TOS:
: >
: > 1) Chekov telling Kang's wife, "You don't die - yet," and then
: > attempting to rape her.
: IMHO, no.
: IMHO, the single most disturbing scene was when Kirk stopped McCoy from
: saving Edith Keeler, in "City on the edge of forever".
: I also think that the scene of Spock taking out innocent starfleet
: personnel as he abducts the invalid Captain Pike (Menagerie) is pretty
: sickening.
: I really hated "Wolf in the fold" which has scene after scene that seems
: to make dear Scotty look like a heartless serial killer. THAT SUCKED!
: What about the sicko M5 computer killing innocent starfleet vessels in
: what should have been a harmless war-games exercise? And then the
: surviving vessels attacked the Enterprise!?
Even after all these years, I have to close my eyes rather than watch
Ensign Harper die in the engine room. Why that one more than other
similar deaths I don't know, like the lightning zapped guy in "The Apple"
or the first guy that dies in "Arena" ("Captain, I see something!")
Perheps it's because the poor guy in "The Ultimate Computer" was doing a
routine job that shouldn't have been dangerous. I feel like applauding
the Teer in "Friday's Child." After being a villain for most of the
episode, he makes a noble sacrifice by stepping into the line of fire to
draw the Klingon out.
Brad
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized 'A' List [message #171986 ] |
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"ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
news:rqudnZXHGrCSzRjeRVn-gw [at] comcast.com...
> Steven L. wrote:
>
>> I'm surprised you omitted the evil Kirk's attempted rape and beating of
>> Yeoman Rand in "The Enemy Within."
>
> That scene is in my personal top ten. Not only because the very idea of
> rape (on 1960's TV!) is shocking, but because the concept of good-guy Kirk
> as the rapist is shocking. He's not (usually) that kind of a guy.
Not if it was EVIL Kirk doing that.
-- Ken from Chicago
P.S. For 60's tv, I would think the Kirk / Uhura kiss--gasp ...
interracially--would be the shocker.
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized 'A' List [message #171988 ] |
Do, 24 November 2005 21:52 |
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:23:41 -0500, ToolPackinMama
<laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote:
<snip>
>What about the sicko M5 computer killing innocent starfleet vessels in
>what should have been a harmless war-games exercise? And then the
>surviving vessels attacked the Enterprise!?
You should read the TNG book "Immortal coil. " It tells how M5
finally dies... (but it's in a worthy way, and it's really well tied
in with TOS)
>
>Look, TOS was full of shocking/exciting moments. We had at least one
>every episode.
>
-LMB
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized'A' List [message #171991 ] |
Do, 24 November 2005 22:18 |
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>>>I'm surprised you omitted the evil Kirk's attempted rape and beating of
>>>>> Yeoman Rand in "The Enemy Within."
>>
>>>
>>> That scene is in my personal top ten. Not only because the very idea of
>>> rape (on 1960's TV!) is shocking, but because the concept of good-guy Kirk
>>> as the rapist is shocking. He's not (usually) that kind of a guy.
>
>
> Not if it was EVIL Kirk doing that.
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
>
> P.S. For 60's tv, I would think the Kirk / Uhura kiss--gasp ...
> interracially--would be the shocker.
The most shocking scene has got to be where Kirk stops McCoy from
saving Edith Keeler in the Ellison episode.
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized'A' List [message #171999 ] |
Fr, 25 November 2005 02:25 |
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ToolPackinMama wrote:
>> 6) Spock's going off on McCoy when they're trapped in the Ice Age ("All
>> Our Yesterdays")
>
>
> Not one of my top picks for shocking. Spock and Kirk fighting to the
> death for T'Pring was more shocking.
I didn't consider T'Pau's statement that "This fight is to the death" to
be a real shock. It was definitely a plot twist though.
>> 5) Scotty calls Spock a "freak". Spock then raises his fist as if to
>> bash Scotty's head in. Kirk stops Spock's fist and calls him a
>> "half-human"; Spock twists Kirk's grasp away as if he's going to murder
>> Kirk also..("Day Of The Dove")
>
>
> Granted.
No, this wasn't a real shock either. Because we already knew that the
alien was instigating violent behavior.
> IMHO, the single most disturbing scene was when Kirk stopped McCoy from
> saving Edith Keeler, in "City on the edge of forever".
Not a real shock. We knew in advance from Spock's statement "Edith
Keeler must die" that Kirk would have to do this. It was only a
question of how and when. Tragic, definitely. Shocking, no. If
anything, the shock was Spock discovering that Edith would have to die.
>
> I also think that the scene of Spock taking out innocent starfleet
> personnel as he abducts the invalid Captain Pike (Menagerie) is pretty
> sickening.
Nah, he used his Vulcan neck pinch. Just like he did to that crewman in
ST:TMP.
>
> I really hated "Wolf in the fold" which has scene after scene that seems
> to make dear Scotty look like a heartless serial killer. THAT SUCKED!
>
> What about the sicko M5 computer killing innocent starfleet vessels in
> what should have been a harmless war-games exercise? And then the
> surviving vessels attacked the Enterprise!?
>
> Look, TOS was full of shocking/exciting moments. We had at least one
> every episode.
You keep confusing "shocking" with "exciting," "tragic," or (to use a
Spockism) "fascinating."
You need a dictionary.
--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email: sdlitvin [at] earthlinkNOSPAM.net
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized 'A' List [message #172000 ] |
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"Steven L." <sdlitvin [at] earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
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> ToolPackinMama wrote:
> You keep confusing "shocking" with "exciting," "tragic," or (to use a
> Spockism) "fascinating."
>
> You need a dictionary.
TPM uses her own dictionary, as she believes she is always right. Ask her if
ya don't believe me.
--
Qapla'
Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
"Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty (Spectre of the Gun)
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Ken from Chicago wrote:
> "ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> news:rqudnZXHGrCSzRjeRVn-gw [at] comcast.com...
>
>>Steven L. wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'm surprised you omitted the evil Kirk's attempted rape and beating of
>>>Yeoman Rand in "The Enemy Within."
>>
>>That scene is in my personal top ten. Not only because the very idea of
>>rape (on 1960's TV!) is shocking, but because the concept of good-guy Kirk
>>as the rapist is shocking. He's not (usually) that kind of a guy.
>
>
> Not if it was EVIL Kirk doing that.
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
>
> P.S. For 60's tv, I would think the Kirk / Uhura kiss--gasp ...
> interracially--would be the shocker.
They didn't kiss on camera--the camera pans away at the last moment.
--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email: sdlitvin [at] earthlinkNOSPAM.net
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"Steven L." <sdlitvin [at] earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
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> Ken from Chicago wrote:
>
> > "ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> > news:rqudnZXHGrCSzRjeRVn-gw [at] comcast.com...
> >
> >>Steven L. wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I'm surprised you omitted the evil Kirk's attempted rape and beating of
> >>>Yeoman Rand in "The Enemy Within."
> >>
> >>That scene is in my personal top ten. Not only because the very idea of
> >>rape (on 1960's TV!) is shocking, but because the concept of good-guy
Kirk
> >>as the rapist is shocking. He's not (usually) that kind of a guy.
> >
> >
> > Not if it was EVIL Kirk doing that.
> >
> > -- Ken from Chicago
> >
> > P.S. For 60's tv, I would think the Kirk / Uhura kiss--gasp ...
> > interracially--would be the shocker.
>
> They didn't kiss on camera--the camera pans away at the last moment.
>
FWIW, I think there are few genuinely shocking moments. In terms of daring,
I'd say Chekov's attempted rape of Kang's wife- it's shot in such a way that
there's no doubt what he intends even though it's not explicitly stated (60s
TV and all that). It's a lot more daring than other attempted rapes e.g.
Evil Kirk/Rand because they tended to portray rape back then as a kind of
forced kissing which, although unpleasant, doesn't really carry the same
weight. The very closeup camerawork in the scene in Day Of The Dove, though,
makes it definitely disconscerting to watch.
Also shocking is Chapel's line in What Are Little Girls Made Of. "DID you?"
following Korby's plea that he "couldn't love an android". There's no doubt
she's implying something physical, not romantic- the phrase "to love" being
turned unavoidably by the context and delivery of the line into meaning "to
have sex with", in a time when "love" was often used as a euphemism for sex.
The line's beautifully delivered by Majel Barrett and, in terms of the
times, genuinely shocking, I think.
Ian
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www.jaxtrawstudios.com
science fiction with naughty bits
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Jaxtraw wrote:
> "Steven L." <sdlitvin [at] earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
> news:CMHhf.718$YT3.417 [at] newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
>>Ken from Chicago wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
>>>news:rqudnZXHGrCSzRjeRVn-gw [at] comcast.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Steven L. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'm surprised you omitted the evil Kirk's attempted rape and beating of
>>>>>Yeoman Rand in "The Enemy Within."
>>>>
>>>>That scene is in my personal top ten. Not only because the very idea of
>>>>rape (on 1960's TV!) is shocking, but because the concept of good-guy
>
> Kirk
>
>>>>as the rapist is shocking. He's not (usually) that kind of a guy.
>>>
>>>
>>>Not if it was EVIL Kirk doing that.
>>>
>>>-- Ken from Chicago
>>>
>>>P.S. For 60's tv, I would think the Kirk / Uhura kiss--gasp ...
>>>interracially--would be the shocker.
>>
>>They didn't kiss on camera--the camera pans away at the last moment.
>>
>
>
> FWIW, I think there are few genuinely shocking moments. In terms of daring,
> I'd say Chekov's attempted rape of Kang's wife- it's shot in such a way that
> there's no doubt what he intends even though it's not explicitly stated (60s
> TV and all that). It's a lot more daring than other attempted rapes e.g.
> Evil Kirk/Rand because they tended to portray rape back then as a kind of
> forced kissing which, although unpleasant, doesn't really carry the same
> weight.
I disagree.
In the aftermath in Sick Bay, Janice's face has been badly bruised as if
she received a beating (though we didn't see her get beaten on camera).
It was seeing her roughed up that made the attempted rape so shocking.
In terms of daring, the scene in "A Private Little War" in which Nona
does her ritual to heal Kirk's Mogatu wound was the most daring. The
only way Roddenberry could have gotten away with that scene, was if the
NBC censors were too stupid to understand the blatant sexual symbolism.
--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email: sdlitvin [at] earthlinkNOSPAM.net
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized 'A' List [message #174243 ] |
Mo, 28 November 2005 01:35 |
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When Kirk dies from the Vulcan "death" pinch in the "Enterprise
Incident".
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
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Mo, 28 November 2005 07:07 |
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"Jaxtraw" <jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote in message
news:4387511d$0$23296$db0fefd9 [at] news.zen.co.uk...
>
> Also shocking is Chapel's line in What Are Little Girls Made Of. "DID
you?"
> following Korby's plea that he "couldn't love an android". There's no
doubt
> she's implying something physical, not romantic- the phrase "to love"
being
> turned unavoidably by the context and delivery of the line into meaning
"to
> have sex with", in a time when "love" was often used as a euphemism for
sex.
> The line's beautifully delivered by Majel Barrett and, in terms of the
> times, genuinely shocking, I think.
>
Oh, good call! Its one of those things that, if you originally watched TOS
as a little kid, you don't get. And when you re-watch the show as a
teenager, you go, "whoa! She's saying...whoa!"
Makes you think Majel Barret is a really good dramatic actress. There were
moments in her TNG appearances that suggested this too, which made it a
shame they wasted her on a character who was a comic farce, and not even a
very good one.
Bo Raxo
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Mo, 28 November 2005 14:15 |
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Among the things Bo Raxo wrote:
>"Jaxtraw" <jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote in message
>news:4387511d$0$23296$db0fefd9 [at] news.zen.co.uk...
>>
>> Also shocking is Chapel's line in What Are Little Girls Made Of. "DID you?"
>> following Korby's plea that he "couldn't love an android".
>
>
>Makes you think Majel Barret is a really good dramatic actress. There were
>moments in her TNG appearances that suggested this too, which made it a
>shame they wasted her on a character who was a comic farce, and not even a
>very good one.
I think they realized they were wasting her as a comic farce by
the third season (her fourth appearance?) "Menage a Troi". They
certainly gave her some scenes with meat on them in "The Cost of
Living", "Half a Life", and "The Dark Page". And let us not
forget DS9:"The Forsaken" (looking that up, I see there is a
sequel to that, "The Muse", but I don't remember anything from
her performance there, only Rene's as Odo).
And, of course, as Number One in the pilot, and one of the
Emperor's widows on Babylon 5 (episode?)
--
-Jack
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Mo, 28 November 2005 14:19 |
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I like her toes.
--
You Can't Stop the Signal
SERENITY on DVD December 20th
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BW7QWW
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized 'A' List [message #175510 ] |
Mo, 28 November 2005 15:15 |
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Bo Raxo (invasions_r_us [at] thepentagon.removethis.com) wrote:
: "Jaxtraw" <jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote in message
: news:4387511d$0$23296$db0fefd9 [at] news.zen.co.uk...
: >
: > Also shocking is Chapel's line in What Are Little Girls Made Of. "DID
: you?"
: > following Korby's plea that he "couldn't love an android". There's no
: doubt
: > she's implying something physical, not romantic- the phrase "to love"
: being
: > turned unavoidably by the context and delivery of the line into meaning
: "to
: > have sex with", in a time when "love" was often used as a euphemism for
: sex.
: > The line's beautifully delivered by Majel Barrett and, in terms of the
: > times, genuinely shocking, I think.
: >
: Oh, good call! Its one of those things that, if you originally watched TOS
: as a little kid, you don't get. And when you re-watch the show as a
: teenager, you go, "whoa! She's saying...whoa!"
: Makes you think Majel Barret is a really good dramatic actress. There were
: moments in her TNG appearances that suggested this too, which made it a
: shame they wasted her on a character who was a comic farce, and not even a
: very good one.
Having met Ms. Barret a few years back, I can assure you that as Lwaxanna,
she wasn't acting. That's more or less her real life personality! (well,
except the man-crazy part).
Brad
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Mo, 28 November 2005 15:17 |
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Ken from Chicago (kwicker1b_nospam [at] comcast.net) wrote:
: "ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
: news:rqudnZXHGrCSzRjeRVn-gw [at] comcast.com...
: > Steven L. wrote:
: >
: >> I'm surprised you omitted the evil Kirk's attempted rape and beating of
: >> Yeoman Rand in "The Enemy Within."
: >
: > That scene is in my personal top ten. Not only because the very idea of
: > rape (on 1960's TV!) is shocking, but because the concept of good-guy Kirk
: > as the rapist is shocking. He's not (usually) that kind of a guy.
: Not if it was EVIL Kirk doing that.
I'm not sure that the terminology "Good" and "Evil" Kirk is entirely
appropriate, since they are merely two aspects of the same person.
However, I admit, that it's probably the quickest way to differentiate the
two, however inaccurate the terms.
Brad
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized 'A' List [message #175512 ] |
Mo, 28 November 2005 15:18 |
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Kweeg (kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca) wrote:
: "Steven L." <sdlitvin [at] earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
: news:QJthf.876$Hk1.38 [at] newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
: > ToolPackinMama wrote:
: > You keep confusing "shocking" with "exciting," "tragic," or (to use a
: > Spockism) "fascinating."
: >
: > You need a dictionary.
: TPM uses her own dictionary, as she believes she is always right. Ask her if
: ya don't believe me.
Cartainly she believes she's always right. Of coruse, the same can be
said of pretty much everyone who posts here!
Brad
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Mo, 28 November 2005 15:58 |
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"ANIM8Rfsk" <ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net> wrote in message
news:BFB051E6.5EEEF%ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net...
>I like her toes.
Ray? Is that you?
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized 'A' List [message #175514 ] |
Mo, 28 November 2005 16:21 |
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"Brad Filippone" <al019 [at] chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
news:dmf3jk$2ov$3 [at] News.Dal.Ca...
> Kweeg (kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca) wrote:
> : "Steven L." <sdlitvin [at] earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
> : news:QJthf.876$Hk1.38 [at] newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> : > ToolPackinMama wrote:
> : > You keep confusing "shocking" with "exciting," "tragic," or (to use a
> : > Spockism) "fascinating."
> : >
> : > You need a dictionary.
>
>
> : TPM uses her own dictionary, as she believes she is always right. Ask
her if
> : ya don't believe me.
>
> Cartainly she believes she's always right. Of coruse, the same can be
> said of pretty much everyone who posts here!
>
Isn't it the whole point of usenet in the first place? :)
Ian
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized 'A' List [message #175515 ] |
Mo, 28 November 2005 16:21 |
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"Brad Filippone" <al019 [at] chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
news:dmf3hm$2ov$2 [at] News.Dal.Ca...
> Ken from Chicago (kwicker1b_nospam [at] comcast.net) wrote:
>
> : "ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> : news:rqudnZXHGrCSzRjeRVn-gw [at] comcast.com...
> : > Steven L. wrote:
> : >
> : >> I'm surprised you omitted the evil Kirk's attempted rape and beating
of
> : >> Yeoman Rand in "The Enemy Within."
> : >
> : > That scene is in my personal top ten. Not only because the very idea
of
> : > rape (on 1960's TV!) is shocking, but because the concept of good-guy
Kirk
> : > as the rapist is shocking. He's not (usually) that kind of a guy.
>
> : Not if it was EVIL Kirk doing that.
>
> I'm not sure that the terminology "Good" and "Evil" Kirk is entirely
> appropriate, since they are merely two aspects of the same person.
> However, I admit, that it's probably the quickest way to differentiate the
> two, however inaccurate the terms.
>
> Brad
Isn't that the whole point of the story- that he's split into his good and
evil sides? The message seems to be that as humans the character traits
which are considered bad are necessary in moderation e.g. without a limited
degree of avarice we'd be unmotivated to achieve anything, without lust we'd
have no desire, and without a certain degree of self-serving disinterest in
the effects of our actions on others, we'd be too indecisive to make the
kinds of decisions that an effective leader must make.
The premise of the story may be a trifle hokey, but that's okay. It's a
parable, and quite a good one I think. Without our capacity for negative
behaviour, we'd be much less than we are.
Ian
--
www.jaxtrawstudios.com
science fiction comics with rude bits in
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized 'A' List [message #175516 ] |
Mo, 28 November 2005 16:29 |
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Jaxtraw (jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com) wrote:
: "Brad Filippone" <al019 [at] chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
: news:dmf3jk$2ov$3 [at] News.Dal.Ca...
: > Kweeg (kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca) wrote:
: > : "Steven L." <sdlitvin [at] earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
: > : news:QJthf.876$Hk1.38 [at] newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
: > : > ToolPackinMama wrote:
: > : > You keep confusing "shocking" with "exciting," "tragic," or (to use a
: > : > Spockism) "fascinating."
: > : >
: > : > You need a dictionary.
: >
: >
: > : TPM uses her own dictionary, as she believes she is always right. Ask
: her if
: > : ya don't believe me.
: >
: > Cartainly she believes she's always right. Of coruse, the same can be
: > said of pretty much everyone who posts here!
: >
: Isn't it the whole point of usenet in the first place? :)
Well...yes! So isn't it rather silly when people make unneeded slurs
against others just because their opinions are different? :)
Brad
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized 'A' List [message #175518 ] |
Mo, 28 November 2005 19:46 |
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"Brad Filippone" <al019 [at] chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
news:dmf7pl$4c1$1 [at] News.Dal.Ca...
> Jaxtraw (jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com) wrote:
> : "Brad Filippone" <al019 [at] chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
> : news:dmf3jk$2ov$3 [at] News.Dal.Ca...
> : > Kweeg (kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca) wrote:
> : > : "Steven L." <sdlitvin [at] earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
> : > : news:QJthf.876$Hk1.38 [at] newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> : > : > ToolPackinMama wrote:
> : > : > You keep confusing "shocking" with "exciting," "tragic," or (to
use a
> : > : > Spockism) "fascinating."
> : > : >
> : > : > You need a dictionary.
> : >
> : >
> : > : TPM uses her own dictionary, as she believes she is always right.
Ask
> : her if
> : > : ya don't believe me.
> : >
> : > Cartainly she believes she's always right. Of coruse, the same can be
> : > said of pretty much everyone who posts here!
> : >
>
> : Isn't it the whole point of usenet in the first place? :)
>
> Well...yes! So isn't it rather silly when people make unneeded slurs
> against others just because their opinions are different? :)
Indeed it's true, TPM did start with the insults, that's why she got
plonked.
--
Qapla'
Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
"Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty (Spectre of the Gun)
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| Re: Good Majel Barret parts [message #175519 ] |
Mo, 28 November 2005 20:00 |
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in article mWEif.185170$zb5.26025 [at] bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net,
Marcovaldo at Marcovaldo [at] worldnet.att.net wrote on 11/28/05 7:58 AM:
> "ANIM8Rfsk" <ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net> wrote in message
> news:BFB051E6.5EEEF%ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net...
>> I like her toes.
>
> Ray? Is that you?
>
>
Now that was just mean!
--
You Can't Stop the Signal
SERENITY on DVD December 20th
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BW7QWW
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized'A' List [message #175522 ] |
Di, 29 November 2005 03:02 |
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Brad Filippone wrote:
> Jaxtraw (jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com) wrote:
> : "Brad Filippone" <al019 [at] chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
> : news:dmf3jk$2ov$3 [at] News.Dal.Ca...
> : > Kweeg (kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca) wrote:
> : > : "Steven L." <sdlitvin [at] earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
> : > : news:QJthf.876$Hk1.38 [at] newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> : > : > ToolPackinMama wrote:
> : > : > You keep confusing "shocking" with "exciting," "tragic," or (to use a
> : > : > Spockism) "fascinating."
> : > : >
> : > : > You need a dictionary.
> : >
> : >
> : > : TPM uses her own dictionary, as she believes she is always right. Ask
> : her if
> : > : ya don't believe me.
> : >
> : > Cartainly she believes she's always right. Of coruse, the same can be
> : > said of pretty much everyone who posts here!
> : >
>
> : Isn't it the whole point of usenet in the first place? :)
>
> Well...yes! So isn't it rather silly when people make unneeded slurs
> against others just because their opinions are different? :)
Hey, the internets is a serious bizness. ;) People's MANHOOD depends on
it. That's why I am glad that I am a girl. :)
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized 'A' List [message #175530 ] |
Di, 29 November 2005 15:39 |
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"ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
news:4PidnaBjEKwVKxbenZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
> Brad Filippone wrote:
> > Jaxtraw (jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com) wrote:
> > : "Brad Filippone" <al019 [at] chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
> > : news:dmf3jk$2ov$3 [at] News.Dal.Ca...
> > : > Kweeg (kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca) wrote:
> > : > : "Steven L." <sdlitvin [at] earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
> > : > : news:QJthf.876$Hk1.38 [at] newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > : > : > ToolPackinMama wrote:
> > : > : > You keep confusing "shocking" with "exciting," "tragic," or (to
use a
> > : > : > Spockism) "fascinating."
> > : > : >
> > : > : > You need a dictionary.
> > : >
> > : >
> > : > : TPM uses her own dictionary, as she believes she is always right.
Ask
> > : her if
> > : > : ya don't believe me.
> > : >
> > : > Cartainly she believes she's always right. Of coruse, the same can
be
> > : > said of pretty much everyone who posts here!
> > : >
> >
> > : Isn't it the whole point of usenet in the first place? :)
> >
> > Well...yes! So isn't it rather silly when people make unneeded slurs
> > against others just because their opinions are different? :)
>
> Hey, the internets is a serious bizness. ;) People's MANHOOD depends on
> it. That's why I am glad that I am a girl. :)
What on earth did you say to set off this latest level of invective? I
didn't look into the newsgroup for a few months, but things seem a whole
order of magnitude more anti-Laura than last time. You didn't say Scotty's
gay as well did you? Uhura?
*Sulu*?
Ian
--
www.jaxtrawstudios.com
science fiction with shagging in it
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The [message #175532 ] |
Di, 29 November 2005 16:45 |
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in article 438c6738$0$344$da0feed9 [at] news.zen.co.uk, Jaxtraw at
jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com wrote on 11/29/05 7:39 AM:
> What on earth did you say to set off this latest level of invective? I
> didn't look into the newsgroup for a few months, but things seem a whole
> order of magnitude more anti-Laura than last time.
Re the FAQ: please add killfile words to the subject line when Laura
perverts a thread. Thanks!
--
You Can't Stop the Signal
SERENITY on DVD December 20th
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BW7QWW
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Di, 29 November 2005 16:54 |
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"ANIM8Rfsk" <ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net> wrote in message
news:BFB1C5C1.5F12C%ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net...
> in article 438c6738$0$344$da0feed9 [at] news.zen.co.uk, Jaxtraw at
> jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com wrote on 11/29/05 7:39 AM:
>
> > What on earth did you say to set off this latest level of invective? I
> > didn't look into the newsgroup for a few months, but things seem a whole
> > order of magnitude more anti-Laura than last time.
>
> Re the FAQ: please add killfile words to the subject line when Laura
> perverts a thread. Thanks!
>
Of course not. This is getting awfully childish. Avoiding headers went out
with 9k6 modems.
Ian
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized 'A' List [message #175536 ] |
Di, 29 November 2005 19:52 |
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Brad Filippone wrote:
> Kweeg (kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca) wrote:
> : "Steven L." <sdlitvin [at] earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
> : news:QJthf.876$Hk1.38 [at] newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> : > ToolPackinMama wrote:
> : > You keep confusing "shocking" with "exciting," "tragic," or (to use a
> : > Spockism) "fascinating."
> : >
> : > You need a dictionary.
>
Maybe... but in fact I've seen a number of things that could be
accurately described by all four of those words.
>
> : TPM uses her own dictionary, as she believes she is always right. Ask her if
> : ya don't believe me.
>
> Cartainly she believes she's always right. Of coruse, the same can be
> said of pretty much everyone who posts here!
>
Saying things and having it be so are two seperate things.
One can believe one is right *at the time one posts something*, (e.g.
my prediction that "Threshold" would invoke time travel by their fourth
ep); but the second part of sanity is the capacity for self-analysis,
and the capability of realizing when one is in error.
*****
The Joker in the Eeeeeeeeeevil Cabal deck of cards.
"Voyager to alien fleet- Hold your fire! Hold your fire!! I promise
that WASN'T a kamikaze attack; that's the way Chakotay ALWAYS lands his
shuttles!!"
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| Re: Ten most shocking/disturbing scenes in TOS....PLUS...The finalized 'A' List [message #175556 ] |
Mi, 30 November 2005 20:51 |
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My most shocking thing I've seen? Does every time I see Rick Berman as
"Executive Producer" in the credits count?
<shnaggletooth [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1132781077.547690.27020 [at] g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> 10) Charlie erases the facial features off of a female crewmember
> ("Charlie X")
>
> 9) Nona healing Kirk by having her hand slashed, and then merging her
> blood with Kirk's ("A Private Little War")
>
> 8) Kirk coming awfully close to hitting on the teenage Miri ("Miri")
>
> 7) In "The Gamesters of Triskelion, Chekov is introduced to his drill
> thrall -- a transsexual.
>
> 6) Spock's going off on McCoy when they're trapped in the Ice Age ("All
> Our Yesterdays")
>
> 5) Scotty calls Spock a "freak". Spock then raises his fist as if to
> bash Scotty's head in. Kirk stops Spock's fist and calls him a
> "half-human"; Spock twists Kirk's grasp away as if he's going to murder
> Kirk also..("Day Of The Dove")
>
> 4) Teenage Charlie apparently attempting to rape Yeoman Janice
> ("Charlie X")
>
> 3) The "Red Hour" ("Return Of The Archons")
>
> 2) Nona being gang-raped (and then killed) in "A Private Little War"
>
> And the number one most disturbing scene in TOS:
>
> 1) Chekov telling Kang's wife, "You don't die - yet," and then
> attempting to rape her.
>
>
> THE 'A' LIST:
>
> A+: "The City On the Edge Of Forever"
>
> A: "Balance Of Terror" (upgraded from A-)
> "Mirror, Mirror"
> "The Doomsday Machine"
> "Journey To Babel"
>
> A-: "Where No Man Has Gone Before" (upgraded)
> "The Enemy Within"
> "The Corbomite Maneuver" (upgraded)
> "The Menagerie, I and II"
> "Space Seed"
> "The Devil In The Dark"
> "The Trouble With Tribbles"
> "Return To Tomorrow" (upgraded)
> "The Ultimate Computer"
> "Assignment: Earth"
> "The Immunity Syndrome" (upgraded two notches)
> "The Enterprise Incident"
> "Day Of The Dove"
> "The Tholian Web"
> "The Empath"
> "All Our Yesterdays"
> "Errand Of Mercy"
> "A Private Little War"
>
> Shnaggletooth
>
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