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My idea for a new series [message #171867] Di, 22 November 2005 06:12
Barbi Satin  
Enough time has gone by that most fans would accept a recast TOS crew.

Stardate, well whenever V'ger happend.

Starfleet Command, Top Secret, Fleet Admiral and Federation President Eyes
only.

At the time Admiral James T. Kirk defeated the V'ger entity a temporal split
anomaly opened." OK, OK technobabble"! The Starship USS Enterprise NCC 1701
refit underwent a phenomena that produced two identical ships and crews. One
crew and ship remained in the current timeline. One ship and crew will
reemerge most probably in sector 001 within 200 standard years by best
estimate of the Vulcan academy of science. To all future Starfleet Command,
The Enterprise and her crew who emerge in your time must remain in your time
to prevent a temporal discontiuity.
Screenshot
V'ger transforms as the Enterprise 1701 splits into two identical ships.

Timeline
Early 25th Century

25% of the earths surface has been obliterated including Starfleet Command
in San Francisco.The newly reformed Borg collective was stopped within
moments of destroying all life on earth by the Federations last capital ship
USS Enterprise NCC 1701 G. All modern starships have been destroyed in the
battle of Alpha Centuri with 30 Borg Multi Cubes.
The crew of the Enterprise G go down in history as the latest ship named
Enterprise to save earth and the Federation from certain destruction.
Admiral K. Janeway as the last living high ranking admiral assumes command
of the Federation fleet. The only problem is that there is no fleet left to
command. The Romulan, Klingon, Ferengi, and Tholian fleets have all been
destroyed or assimilated by the new Borg.
For twenty five years Admiral Janeway has been behind a secret
Federation program called "Doomsday". A research program to upgrade the
weapons and defensive systems she had bought back from the future 30 years
earlier. A program that the Federation refused to implement as to
militaristic and a violation of the temporal prime directive but continued
to fund for a worse case scenario. The program develops reflective
regenerative shielding. Carbon Neutronium Ablative Armour. Multi Dimensional
Transphasic Torpedoes. The Anti Photon Phaser based on antilight. The
ultimate super weapon, a plutonium, anti plutonium torpedo combined with
hydrogen and anti hydrogen. The anti H torpedo with a yield of 10 billion,
billion, billion megatons of TNT. The ultimate torpedo would be named the
Super Nova Torpedo. In the last decade of the 24th century the security
council of the Federation would ban the use of this weapon as a weapon of
mass genocide.
At the time 25% of the Earth was destroyed Starfleet was ready to begin
tests of the first Interdimensional Drive. A new type of propulsion that
could push a Starship to the speed of 10,000 light-years per hour.
Admiral Janeway had all the technology she needed to defeat the new Borg
but lacked even one ship large enough to refit with the new technology. The
last of the Federation council had given her the authority to use the new
drive and all the forbidden technology of project Doomsday. Admiral Janeway
had at most six weeks before the next wave of Borg Multi Cubes attacked the
Federation. Janeway needed a miracle, she needed a hero and a ship at least
the size of an intrepid class to refit at Utopia Planetia.

Sector 001, three days later. A temporal vortex opens. "Mr. Spock,
Report". "Jim, we are in orbit of earth but the year is 2405. "Uhura, hail
starfleet command".

These are the new voyages of the United Starship Enterprise.

Season One
The battle against the entire Borg Collective in the Delta Quadrant as
the Federation scrambles to build new ships.

Season two
Galaxy NGC 345. Kirk and crew earn the right to be the first Federation
crew to explore a galaxy 30 million light years from the Milky Way. Along
the way Kirk bitch slaps Q and makes him cry for his mommy. Also in this
season an entire planet of blonde supermodels in black go go boots and retro
60's beehive hairdos become Kirks sex slaves. Spock goes through a Pon Farr
because he is jealous. Janice Rand has a hissy fit ,as Kirk boldly probes
10,000 miniskirted. go go booted clad beehive blonds with his probe. Spock
crys to his mommy that he always loved her. McCoy tells Jim he is just a
doctor and can't cure the beehive go go boot clap.

Season Three
Kirks "probe" rots off as Spock laughs like a maniac. The Enterprise
encounters a planet inhabited by 30,000,000 clones of an overweight post
pregancy Britney Spears. Britney times 30,000,000 chainsmokes Marlboros and
curses Kirk as a filthy paparazi. Thrity redshirts die as she vomits cheap
whisky and curses at them. Paris Hilton Stars as Paris Hilton. Ruler of
Britney world. Kirk barley escapes from this planet that is one huge trailer
park seconds before a tonnado hits. Spock mindmelds with him to make sure he
never forgets this nightmare.

Kirk encounters another exact replica of earth 300 light years from
Britney World. This version is called BUSH WORLD! On this world as in the
Omega Glory everything Jim remembers from the twentieth century happened as
it was. In Bush world a megalomaniac bent on world domination assumes
command of the USA in a stolen election at the start of the 21st century. In
this world it is the year 2005 and a madman controls America. Kirk finds
proof that Bush launched terrorist attacks on his own nation as a pretext
for war. A war to control dwindling oil resources and line the pockets of
his super rich friends. Kirk beams to the Oval office with Spock. The Bush
creature screams at Kirk and Spock that it would be a heck of a lot easier
if he was a dicatator and that there outhta be limits to freedom. He foams
at the mouth and tells them he knows it is hard to put food on their
families. Before Kirk or Spock can say a word Bush says that he knows a
saying. There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably
in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me —
you can't get fooled again. "Listen, I want to thank leaders of the — in the
faith — faith-based and community-based community for being here." And the
second way to defeat the terrorists is to spread freedom. You see, the best
way to defeat a society that is — doesn't have hope, a society where people
become so angry they're willing to become suiciders, is to spread freedom,
is to spread democracy. Part of the facts is understanding we have a
problem, and part of the facts is what you're going to do about it. You work
three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that
you're doing that. We need to apply 21st-century information technology to
the health care field. We need to have our medical records put on the I.T.
See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and
over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda
Spock mind melds with Bush in desperation to understand him. Seconds
later Spock screams and Kirk orders a beam out. Spock dies after three days
of screaming Illogical, Illogical and Fuck Saddam, were taking him out.
Spock also keeps saying over and over again, One Nation, One People, One
Leader und eine news chanel! Zieg FOX. Before the end Spock grabs Janice
Rands forehead and says "remember". Soon after Janice and Jim marry. Jim can
never understnand why his wife calles him T'hyla and owns a latex strapon
dildo.

The series is cancelled before season four as fans from around the world
scream that it is all the fault of Berman and Braga. Spock turns in his
grave because Berman and Braga had nothing to do with it. The series was
created and writen by Spears and Federline. These are the trailer trash
voyages of the trailer trash Britney Spears. To smoke Marlboros and support
Bush. To gain 50 pounds and boldly pump out little porkers while her face
breaks out in acne. To boldly embrace Americn pop culture in the year 2005.
To boldly go where no super slut has gone before!

Foot notes
All words of the Bush creature are accurate words of the Bush creature. On
earth circa 2004 Britney Spears went from the worlds most beautiful woman to
hideous trailer trash in a matter of months.

"I speak plainly sometimes, but you've got to be mindful of the consequences
of the words. So put that down. I don't know if you'd call that a
confession, a regret, something." —George W. Bush, So illogical he killed
Spock!
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171869 ] Di, 22 November 2005 06:38
Anybody  
In article <m6ydnaBdP6hdOh_enZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d [at] comcast.com>, "Barbi
Satin" <jk2112 [at] comcast.net> wrote:

> Enough time has gone by that most fans would accept a recast TOS crew.

Hmmmm ... we're still in the century of 20xx, so the answer to that is
definitely "Good God, NO!".
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171870 ] Di, 22 November 2005 06:49
Barbi Satin  
"Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
news:221120051838228130%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> In article <m6ydnaBdP6hdOh_enZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d [at] comcast.com>, "Barbi
> Satin" <jk2112 [at] comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Enough time has gone by that most fans would accept a recast TOS crew.
>
> Hmmmm ... we're still in the century of 20xx, so the answer to that is
> definitely "Good God, NO!".

Please do not be to harsh about this loony toon post. I was drunk off my
butt when I wrote it and Kim Possible was on in the background. I apologize
to all idiot righttards who worship Bush. All fans of Britney Spears, All
Christians and all kooks from the Zeta Articuli Star System. If you have
been abducted by little grey men with bug eyes then ha, ha!
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171872 ] Di, 22 November 2005 07:20
Anybody  
In article <edidnaL9B6UXLR_enZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d [at] comcast.com>, "Barbi
Satin" <jk2112 [at] comcast.net> wrote:

> "Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
> news:221120051838228130%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> > In article <m6ydnaBdP6hdOh_enZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d [at] comcast.com>, "Barbi
> > Satin" <jk2112 [at] comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Enough time has gone by that most fans would accept a recast TOS crew.
> >
> > Hmmmm ... we're still in the century of 20xx, so the answer to that is
> > definitely "Good God, NO!".
>
> Please do not be to harsh about this loony toon post. I was drunk off my
> butt when I wrote it and Kim Possible was on in the background. I apologize
> to all idiot righttards who worship Bush. All fans of Britney Spears, All
> Christians and all kooks from the Zeta Articuli Star System. If you have
> been abducted by little grey men with bug eyes then ha, ha!

I didn't even read the rest of it. That complete insanity about
recasting TOS crew was bad enough. :-(
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171873 ] Di, 22 November 2005 07:25
Barbi Satin  
"Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
news:221120051920361072%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> In article <edidnaL9B6UXLR_enZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d [at] comcast.com>, "Barbi
> Satin" <jk2112 [at] comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> "Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
>> news:221120051838228130%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
>> > In article <m6ydnaBdP6hdOh_enZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d [at] comcast.com>, "Barbi
>> > Satin" <jk2112 [at] comcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Enough time has gone by that most fans would accept a recast TOS crew.
>> >
>> > Hmmmm ... we're still in the century of 20xx, so the answer to that is
>> > definitely "Good God, NO!".
>>
>> Please do not be to harsh about this loony toon post. I was drunk off
>> my
>> butt when I wrote it and Kim Possible was on in the background. I
>> apologize
>> to all idiot righttards who worship Bush. All fans of Britney Spears, All
>> Christians and all kooks from the Zeta Articuli Star System. If you have
>> been abducted by little grey men with bug eyes then ha, ha!
>
> I didn't even read the rest of it. That complete insanity about
> recasting TOS crew was bad enough. :-(

Then you missed the entire joke.
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171878 ] Di, 22 November 2005 10:32
Captain Kundalini  
So being drunk is an excuse for moron behavior?
Oh well....


"Barbi Satin" <jk2112 [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
news:edidnaL9B6UXLR_enZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
>
> "Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
> news:221120051838228130%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
>> In article <m6ydnaBdP6hdOh_enZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d [at] comcast.com>, "Barbi
>> Satin" <jk2112 [at] comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Enough time has gone by that most fans would accept a recast TOS crew.
>>
>> Hmmmm ... we're still in the century of 20xx, so the answer to that is
>> definitely "Good God, NO!".
>
> Please do not be to harsh about this loony toon post. I was drunk off
> my
> butt when I wrote it and Kim Possible was on in the background. I
> apologize
> to all idiot righttards who worship Bush. All fans of Britney Spears, All
> Christians and all kooks from the Zeta Articuli Star System. If you have
> been abducted by little grey men with bug eyes then ha, ha!
>
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171879 ] Di, 22 November 2005 13:54
allemannster  
Ok, too much there.

The idea of recasting the TOS crew would not fly with anyone.

And come on, why post such an insane amount of text that ends with
Brtiney Spears and Bush?
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171880 ] Di, 22 November 2005 14:07
The Merry Piper  
On 22 Nov 2005 04:54:35 -0800, "allemannster [at] gmail.com"
<allemannster [at] gmail.com> wrote:

>The idea of recasting the TOS crew would not fly with anyone.

That's a pretty broad statement, my friend.

I would watch such a show. Whether I continued to watch it would
depend on the quality of the show but I would at least give it a
chance.

I know others, long time fans such as myself, who have also expressed
interest in a recasting of TOS or at least a return to the TOS era
Trek.

--
The Merry Piper
[http://tmpiper.livejournal.com]
If you want to dance, you'll have to pay ... me!
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171881 ] Di, 22 November 2005 14:18
OSI  
Barbi Satin wrote:

> Then you missed the entire joke.

No, we got the fact that *you* are the joke. :-/


--
OSI
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171891 ] Di, 22 November 2005 19:37
Jaxtraw  
"The Merry Piper" <merry_piper_YOUR [at] COATyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:kq56o111fq7f9l2skv11ebch95nmo907oc [at] 4ax.com...
> On 22 Nov 2005 04:54:35 -0800, "allemannster [at] gmail.com"
> <allemannster [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >The idea of recasting the TOS crew would not fly with anyone.
>
> That's a pretty broad statement, my friend.
>
> I would watch such a show. Whether I continued to watch it would
> depend on the quality of the show but I would at least give it a
> chance.
>
> I know others, long time fans such as myself, who have also expressed
> interest in a recasting of TOS or at least a return to the TOS era
> Trek.

I'd certainly give a recasting of TOS a chance.

The only problem would be with the enormous amount of TNG+ stuff that's been
made since, it would effectively be another "prequel", and would limit what
the show could do. Enterprise illustrated that problem perfectly.

Ian
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171895 ] Di, 22 November 2005 21:07
Anybody  
In article <43836459$0$346$da0feed9 [at] news.zen.co.uk>, "Jaxtraw"
<jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote:

> "The Merry Piper" <merry_piper_YOUR [at] COATyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:kq56o111fq7f9l2skv11ebch95nmo907oc [at] 4ax.com...
> > On 22 Nov 2005 04:54:35 -0800, "allemannster [at] gmail.com"
> > <allemannster [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >The idea of recasting the TOS crew would not fly with anyone.
> >
> > That's a pretty broad statement, my friend.
> >
> > I would watch such a show. Whether I continued to watch it would
> > depend on the quality of the show but I would at least give it a
> > chance.
> >
> > I know others, long time fans such as myself, who have also expressed
> > interest in a recasting of TOS or at least a return to the TOS era
> > Trek.
>
> I'd certainly give a recasting of TOS a chance.
>
> The only problem would be with the enormous amount of TNG+ stuff that's been
> made since, it would effectively be another "prequel", and would limit what
> the show could do. Enterprise illustrated that problem perfectly.

The only thing Enterprise illustrated was the complete uselessness of
Beavis & Butthead - they have NO idea what they're doing.
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171896 ] Di, 22 November 2005 21:18
Kweeg  
"Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
news:231120050907576764%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
> In article <43836459$0$346$da0feed9 [at] news.zen.co.uk>, "Jaxtraw"
> <jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote:
>
> > "The Merry Piper" <merry_piper_YOUR [at] COATyahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:kq56o111fq7f9l2skv11ebch95nmo907oc [at] 4ax.com...
> > > On 22 Nov 2005 04:54:35 -0800, "allemannster [at] gmail.com"
> > > <allemannster [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >The idea of recasting the TOS crew would not fly with anyone.
> > >
> > > That's a pretty broad statement, my friend.
> > >
> > > I would watch such a show. Whether I continued to watch it would
> > > depend on the quality of the show but I would at least give it a
> > > chance.
> > >
> > > I know others, long time fans such as myself, who have also expressed
> > > interest in a recasting of TOS or at least a return to the TOS era
> > > Trek.
> >
> > I'd certainly give a recasting of TOS a chance.
> >
> > The only problem would be with the enormous amount of TNG+ stuff that's
been
> > made since, it would effectively be another "prequel", and would limit
what
> > the show could do. Enterprise illustrated that problem perfectly.
>
> The only thing Enterprise illustrated was the complete uselessness of
> Beavis & Butthead - they have NO idea what they're doing.

So says "Anybody" so it must be true

--

Qapla'
Kweeg
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Re: My idea for a new series [message #171898 ] Di, 22 November 2005 22:54
GeneK  
"Barbi Satin" <jk2112 [at] comcast.net> wrote...

> These are the new voyages of the United Starship Enterprise.

Sadly, I think I might actually have enjoyed this better than the
last couple of Trek series...

GeneK
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171900 ] Mi, 23 November 2005 00:49
The Merry Piper  
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:37:10 -0000, "Jaxtraw"
<jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote:

>"The Merry Piper" <merry_piper_YOUR [at] COATyahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:kq56o111fq7f9l2skv11ebch95nmo907oc [at] 4ax.com...
>> On 22 Nov 2005 04:54:35 -0800, "allemannster [at] gmail.com"
>> <allemannster [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >The idea of recasting the TOS crew would not fly with anyone.
>>
>> That's a pretty broad statement, my friend.
>>
>> I would watch such a show. Whether I continued to watch it would
>> depend on the quality of the show but I would at least give it a
>> chance.
>>
>> I know others, long time fans such as myself, who have also expressed
>> interest in a recasting of TOS or at least a return to the TOS era
>> Trek.
>
>I'd certainly give a recasting of TOS a chance.
>
>The only problem would be with the enormous amount of TNG+ stuff that's been
>made since, it would effectively be another "prequel", and would limit what
>the show could do. Enterprise illustrated that problem perfectly.

It would have to be handled well. As long as TPTB stuck with the type
of stories that made TOS great, that is, stories about characters
rather than technology it should play well.

--
The Merry Piper
[http://tmpiper.livejournal.com]
If you want to dance, you'll have to pay ... me!
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171904 ] Mi, 23 November 2005 02:01
Jaxtraw  
"The Merry Piper" <merry_piper_YOUR [at] COATyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:lhb7o1147p598b7lnq3tc87tu3n49v18br [at] 4ax.com...
> On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:37:10 -0000, "Jaxtraw"
> <jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote:
>
> >"The Merry Piper" <merry_piper_YOUR [at] COATyahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:kq56o111fq7f9l2skv11ebch95nmo907oc [at] 4ax.com...
> >> On 22 Nov 2005 04:54:35 -0800, "allemannster [at] gmail.com"
> >> <allemannster [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >The idea of recasting the TOS crew would not fly with anyone.
> >>
> >> That's a pretty broad statement, my friend.
> >>
> >> I would watch such a show. Whether I continued to watch it would
> >> depend on the quality of the show but I would at least give it a
> >> chance.
> >>
> >> I know others, long time fans such as myself, who have also expressed
> >> interest in a recasting of TOS or at least a return to the TOS era
> >> Trek.
> >
> >I'd certainly give a recasting of TOS a chance.
> >
> >The only problem would be with the enormous amount of TNG+ stuff that's
been
> >made since, it would effectively be another "prequel", and would limit
what
> >the show could do. Enterprise illustrated that problem perfectly.
>
> It would have to be handled well. As long as TPTB stuck with the type
> of stories that made TOS great, that is, stories about characters
> rather than technology it should play well.

I still think prequels are fundamentally constrained- and because we have
TNG, TOS became effectively a prequel. The problem is you can't make any
lasting changes because the timeline is "fixed".

E.g. suppose you're doing a new TOS series and you fancy a big war between
the Federation and the Romulans. Can't do that, because in TNG it "hadn't
happened". Suppose you want to introduce a major new alien species. Can't do
that, because they aren't there or mentioned in TNG. Want to introduce some
new technology? Can't do that, because the technology always has to be less
than what we saw in TNG.

That was the inherent problem with Enterprise. The ridiculous business of
having Romulans in it but nobody seeing them, so it fitted (almost) with the
letter, if not the spirit of, canon. I watched Balance of Terror the other
night (love that episode) and it couldn't be more clear. The Federation (and
by implication Romulan) ships of the war that's described were primitive,
crude ships without even ship-to-ship visuals. It's clear the writer is
implying they were little better than rocket ships.

Then in Enterprise we have ships every bit as advanced as TOS that
notionally go slower but don't really and Romulan warp ships covered in
holoprojectors fer cryin' out loud. Calling the phasers phase cannons didn't
fool anyone.

Once you've done the future, the past becomes largely a closed book.

Since it's the duty of every Trekkie to have an idea about what they'd do as
a series, I had this idea a while ago for an alternative future series.
After TOS. The timeline deviates during Balance Of Terror (because I like it
:) Kirk didn't beat the Romulan ship. It made it home, the Romulans invaded
the Federation, and some ways down the line we have an evolved TOS (e.g.
turtlenecks instead of TNG jumpsuits), a shaky Federation/Klingon alliance
in a state of permananent war against the Romulans (with maybe some allies
e.g. the Tholians). The Federation is much reduced against a Romulan foe who
is gradually winning.

The pilot opens with an Enterprise, the like of which we've never seen
before, a heavily armed, fearsome battle cruiser, along with a bunch of
other similar Federation/Klingon starships, escorting a convoy through
Romulan controlled space to a strategic planet. In a probably misguided
attempt to integrate the allies, they've made the Enterprise crew half
Federation and half Klingon. There are two captains, who don't trust each
other, with the Federation one (a Kirkish/Rikerish hybrid but with a heavy
dose of battle-weary cyncism) as commanding officer. There's distrust that
boils over into abject hatred and aggression between the "two crews". Our
Fed Captain is married, but having an open affair with his first officer, a
descendant of Janice Rand who, at some point says "being the captain's woman
runs in the family" and all us Trekkies cheer. Or not.

Michael Dorn gets to play the Klingon commander if he wants to, because he'd
be great and it'd give him a chance to play a Klingon who isn't just a
comedy foil again.

It's a desperate, gritty, future Trek where the flame of the Federation's
old idealism flickers weakly in the light of a harsh reality. The
Federation/Klingon moral philosophies are illustrated by the constant
disagreements of the two commanding officers e.g. an episode where torturing
a Romulan captive for information seems necessary to do some greater good
(save a planet, or something).

And that convoy? It's attacked and annihilated by a fleet of cloaked ships
with a devastating new weapon (a narrow beamed transporter that punches
holes through the hulls of and dismantles ships, shields or no) who don't
appear to be Romulan, but are clearly a new Romulan ally. Who are they? We
don't know, for many episodes.

Actually we do, it's the Gorn. Because I like the Gorn.

Rikirk makes the hard decision to flee the battlefield, recognising that all
is lost, thus saving the ship and bringing valuable data to the alliance
about the new enemy. The Klingons hate him for it. And so on.

Probably everyone else will think this is daft, but I like the idea.

Either that, or Star Trek: Titan. I could dig that, too.

Ian

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Re: My idea for a new series [message #171905 ] Mi, 23 November 2005 06:09
The Merry Piper  
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:01:17 -0000, "Jaxtraw"
<jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote:


>I still think prequels are fundamentally constrained- and because we have
>TNG, TOS became effectively a prequel. The problem is you can't make any
>lasting changes because the timeline is "fixed".

I understand your point and though what you say is true I still
disagree. With creative writing the fixed future history is
irrelevant. Look at the host of great US Old West movies, or the
entertaining WWII flicks (such as "Saving Private Ryan). Knowing the
broad historical outcome of certain events doesn't mean some rich
dramatic pieces cannot be set within those same events.

>E.g. suppose you're doing a new TOS series and you fancy a big war between
>the Federation and the Romulans. Can't do that, because in TNG it "hadn't
>happened". Suppose you want to introduce a major new alien species. Can't do
>that, because they aren't there or mentioned in TNG. Want to introduce some
>new technology? Can't do that, because the technology always has to be less
>than what we saw in TNG.

"Master & Commander, The Far Side of the World"
"The Last Samurai"
"Shogun"
"Tora Tora Tora"
"Midway"
etc ... ad infinitum, ad nauseam

All examples of films set within a conflict which most film-goers are
aware of the outcome. Were they not still enjoyable?

I will concede, however, it is much easer to be consistent within a
two hour film than it is a weekly series.

Of course, it also presupposes a level and quality of writing which
has been conspicuously absent in the past few years.

>Once you've done the future, the past becomes largely a closed book.

Well, to sum up what I said above -- there is still a lot of potential
in that general milieu. While it does mean one is much more limited
in telling "Save the Universe!" type stories there is still a lot
potential for very good drama.

With a little rewriting, many of the TOS and TNG stories would have
served either show. The fact TNG was TOS' future was largely
irrelevant.

>Since it's the duty of every Trekkie to have an idea about what they'd do as
>a series, I had this idea a while ago for an alternative future series.
>After TOS. The timeline deviates during Balance Of Terror (because I like it
>:) Kirk didn't beat the Romulan ship. It made it home, the Romulans invaded
>the Federation, and some ways down the line we have an evolved TOS (e.g.
>turtlenecks instead of TNG jumpsuits), a shaky Federation/Klingon alliance
>in a state of permananent war against the Romulans (with maybe some allies
>e.g. the Tholians). The Federation is much reduced against a Romulan foe who
>is gradually winning.

<snippage of some cool stuff>

Hey, I'd watch it!

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Re: My idea for a new series [message #171906 ] Mi, 23 November 2005 06:10
The Merry Piper  
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:01:17 -0000, "Jaxtraw"
<jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote:

>Either that, or Star Trek: Titan. I could dig that, too.


(one last thing!)

Not my first choice but I would watch it!

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Re: My idea for a new series [message #171907 ] Mi, 23 November 2005 06:35
Bo Raxo  
"Jaxtraw" <jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote in message
news:43836459$0$346$da0feed9 [at] news.zen.co.uk...
> "The Merry Piper" <merry_piper_YOUR [at] COATyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:kq56o111fq7f9l2skv11ebch95nmo907oc [at] 4ax.com...
> > On 22 Nov 2005 04:54:35 -0800, "allemannster [at] gmail.com"
> > <allemannster [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >The idea of recasting the TOS crew would not fly with anyone.
> >
> > That's a pretty broad statement, my friend.
> >
> > I would watch such a show. Whether I continued to watch it would
> > depend on the quality of the show but I would at least give it a
> > chance.
> >
> > I know others, long time fans such as myself, who have also expressed
> > interest in a recasting of TOS or at least a return to the TOS era
> > Trek.
>
> I'd certainly give a recasting of TOS a chance.
>

No need. What you do is just have a different ship than the Enterprise, but
still a Constitution class ship from TOS' era.


> The only problem would be with the enormous amount of TNG+ stuff that's
been
> made since, it would effectively be another "prequel", and would limit
what
> the show could do. Enterprise illustrated that problem perfectly.
>

That wouldn't be a problem at all, you can respect the backstory, just takes
a little work. After seeing the mirror universe episode of Enterprise, it
was a great glimpse in to how exciting a new show set in TOS' era could be.
Star Trek:Exeter or whatever.
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171911 ] Mi, 23 November 2005 17:53
Numan  
"The Merry Piper" <merry_piper_YOUR [at] COATyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:lhb7o1147p598b7lnq3tc87tu3n49v18br [at] 4ax.com...

>>The only problem would be with the enormous amount of TNG+ stuff that's
>>been
>>made since, it would effectively be another "prequel", and would limit
>>what
>>the show could do. Enterprise illustrated that problem perfectly.
>
> It would have to be handled well. As long as TPTB stuck with the type
> of stories that made TOS great, that is, stories about characters
> rather than technology it should play well.

A re-done TOS would suck in my opinion. I have only seen about
1/2 of the original series episodes so I am not an expert and DO NOT
claim to be. But, the costumes, the stories, and the acting were all so
overblown that it seemed to take me out of the story. And, IF they
actually did try and redo it we would hear nonstop bitching and whining
about it and how these people aren't like OR as good as the originals.

I really hope they don't try and do it. Now, if they want to go back
into the past and tell stories I don't have a problem with it. I would
love to see the A, B, C, and even the E with different captains after
the famous ones retire.

There is just so much positive out in Trek-land I would hate to
see them dump it and try and start over.

Oh, and I do not like the prequel movie idea at all even with a
different ship and crew.
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171912 ] Mi, 23 November 2005 17:59
Numan  
"Jaxtraw" <jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote in message
news:4383be61$0$349$da0feed9 [at] news.zen.co.uk...

> Probably everyone else will think this is daft, but I like the idea.
>
> Either that, or Star Trek: Titan. I could dig that, too.
>
> Ian

Ian, I enjoyed reading that. Especially how you put the bit about Star
Trek:Titan at
the end.
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171914 ] Mi, 23 November 2005 21:09
Anybody  
Star Trek: The Jar Jar & Ewok Encounters

Star Trek: The Adventures of Wesley Crusher


:-P
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171926 ] Do, 24 November 2005 05:22
ToolPackinMama  
Barbi Satin wrote:
> Enough time has gone by that most fans would accept a recast TOS crew.
>
> Stardate, well whenever V'ger happend.
>
> Starfleet Command, Top Secret, Fleet Admiral and Federation President Eyes
> only.
>
> At the time Admiral James T. Kirk defeated the V'ger entity a temporal split
> anomaly opened." OK, OK technobabble"! The Starship USS Enterprise NCC 1701
> refit underwent a phenomena that produced two identical ships and crews. One
> crew and ship remained in the current timeline. One ship and crew will
> reemerge most probably in sector 001 within 200 standard years by best
> estimate of the Vulcan academy of science. To all future Starfleet Command,
> The Enterprise and her crew who emerge in your time must remain in your time
> to prevent a temporal discontiuity.
> Screenshot
> V'ger transforms as the Enterprise 1701 splits into two identical ships.

ETC....

Awesome! :) I hope you don't mind... I forwarded your post to my Trek
fanfic group.

BTW, why don't you ~join~ my Trek fanfic group? :)

http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/links.html

Just fill in the yahoo group field and hit enter.



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Re: My idea for a new series [message #171927 ] Do, 24 November 2005 05:23
ToolPackinMama  
Barbi Satin wrote:
> "Anybody" <anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
> news:221120051838228130%anybody [at] anywhere-anytime.com...
>
>>In article <m6ydnaBdP6hdOh_enZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d [at] comcast.com>, "Barbi
>>Satin" <jk2112 [at] comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Enough time has gone by that most fans would accept a recast TOS crew.
>>
>>Hmmmm ... we're still in the century of 20xx, so the answer to that is
>>definitely "Good God, NO!".
>
>
> Please do not be to harsh about this loony toon post. I was drunk off my
> butt when I wrote it and Kim Possible was on in the background. I apologize
> to all idiot righttards who worship Bush. All fans of Britney Spears, All
> Christians and all kooks from the Zeta Articuli Star System. If you have
> been abducted by little grey men with bug eyes then ha, ha!

ROFL! :)
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171928 ] Do, 24 November 2005 05:23
ToolPackinMama  
Anybody wrote:
> In article <m6ydnaBdP6hdOh_enZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d [at] comcast.com>, "Barbi
> Satin" <jk2112 [at] comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Enough time has gone by that most fans would accept a recast TOS crew.
>
>
> Hmmmm ... we're still in the century of 20xx, so the answer to that is
> definitely "Good God, NO!".

Speak for yourself. Not all TOS fans would agree with you.
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171929 ] Do, 24 November 2005 05:27
ToolPackinMama  
Anybody wrote:

> I didn't even read the rest of it. That complete insanity about
> recasting TOS crew was bad enough. :-(

Oh, Lord COME ON. You can't see Brad Pitt as Captain Kirk?

And Ioan Gruffudd (::pant, pant::) as Mr. Spock!?

No offence, but... get an imagination! NOW! :)
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171930 ] Do, 24 November 2005 05:28
ToolPackinMama  
Captain Kundalini wrote:

> So being drunk is an excuse for moron behavior?

Actually, yes, it is. :)

{{huggles}}
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171931 ] Do, 24 November 2005 05:30
ToolPackinMama  
allemannster [at] gmail.com wrote:

> The idea of recasting the TOS crew would not fly with anyone.

Nonsense. Look at the phenomenal success of the fan-produced NEW VOYAGES.
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171933 ] Do, 24 November 2005 05:36
ToolPackinMama  
The Merry Piper wrote:
> On 22 Nov 2005 04:54:35 -0800, "allemannster [at] gmail.com"
> <allemannster [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>The idea of recasting the TOS crew would not fly with anyone.
>
>
> That's a pretty broad statement, my friend.

You know!?

> I would watch such a show. Whether I continued to watch it would
> depend on the quality of the show but I would at least give it a
> chance.

Me too.

> I know others, long time fans such as myself, who have also expressed
> interest in a recasting of TOS or at least a return to the TOS era
> Trek.

Yes, and I am one of them.

Kirk is a fictional character. He could be played by anyone (within
reason). I (of course) prefer someone who captures/replicates Shatner's
unusually charming and appealing hyperactive verve. Plus, I strongly
believe that Kirk should be played by a sexy and handsome ~white human
male~. Beyond that, go nuts.
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171934 ] Do, 24 November 2005 05:37
ToolPackinMama  
OSI wrote:
> Barbi Satin wrote:
>
>> Then you missed the entire joke.
>
>
> No, we got the fact that *you* are the joke. :-/

STFU, killjoy. You don't speak for "US", you dustcrotched little whiner.
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171935 ] Do, 24 November 2005 05:38
ToolPackinMama  
Jaxtraw wrote:

> I'd certainly give a recasting of TOS a chance.

So would I.
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171937 ] Do, 24 November 2005 05:38
ToolPackinMama  
Anybody wrote:

> The only thing Enterprise illustrated was the complete uselessness of
> Beavis & Butthead - they have NO idea what they're doing.

There we agree.
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171938 ] Do, 24 November 2005 05:41
ToolPackinMama  
GeneK wrote:
> "Barbi Satin" <jk2112 [at] comcast.net> wrote...
>
>
>> These are the new voyages of the United Starship Enterprise.

> Sadly, I think I might actually have enjoyed this better than the
> last couple of Trek series...

I agree, except the only thing _sad_ is that the last couple of Trek
series were so hopelessly lame. TOS was full of joy and juice. Since
then... ::shrug:: ~Eh~.
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171940 ] Do, 24 November 2005 05:55
ToolPackinMama  
The Merry Piper wrote:

> It would have to be handled well. As long as TPTB stuck with the type
> of stories that made TOS great, that is, stories about characters
> rather than technology it should play well.

I agree. TOS faced technology issues, but always was on the side of
nature, and _natural humanity_. In TOS, sophisicated computers and
computerized things (example, androids) were never as good or as
important as humans.

Real life was (almost) always better than a virtual reality, no matter
how pleasent. The one exception was seen in Menagerie.

In TOS, there was very little technobabble. For example, in "For the
world is hollow, and I have touched the sky", Spock wanders off-camera
(off-stage) at the end, and works the techno-miracle-du-jour discretely,
without explanation or fanfare.

In those days, it was enough for us to know that they had the
technology, that they knew how to use it, and that they simply did it,
and got it done. If you have a good story and interesting characters
(as in TOS), then the (fictional) technology can be a minor point.
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171941 ] Do, 24 November 2005 05:59
ToolPackinMama  
Jaxtraw wrote:

> That was the inherent problem with Enterprise. The ridiculous business of
> having Romulans in it but nobody seeing them, so it fitted (almost) with the
> letter, if not the spirit of, canon. I watched Balance of Terror the other
> night (love that episode) and it couldn't be more clear. The Federation (and
> by implication Romulan) ships of the war that's described were primitive,
> crude ships without even ship-to-ship visuals. It's clear the writer is
> implying they were little better than rocket ships.

That's right.
>
> Then in Enterprise we have ships every bit as advanced as TOS that
> notionally go slower but don't really and Romulan warp ships covered in
> holoprojectors fer cryin' out loud. Calling the phasers phase cannons didn't
> fool anyone.

Agreed.

> Since it's the duty of every Trekkie to have an idea about what they'd do as
> a series

::chuckle::

> I had this idea a while ago for an alternative future series.
> After TOS. The timeline deviates during Balance Of Terror (because I like it
> :) Kirk didn't beat the Romulan ship. It made it home, the Romulans invaded
> the Federation, and some ways down the line we have an evolved TOS (e.g.
> turtlenecks instead of TNG jumpsuits), a shaky Federation/Klingon alliance
> in a state of permananent war against the Romulans (with maybe some allies
> e.g. the Tholians). The Federation is much reduced against a Romulan foe who
> is gradually winning.
>
> The pilot opens with an Enterprise, the like of which we've never seen
> before, a heavily armed, fearsome battle cruiser, along with a bunch of
> other similar Federation/Klingon starships, escorting a convoy through
> Romulan controlled space to a strategic planet. In a probably misguided
> attempt to integrate the allies, they've made the Enterprise crew half
> Federation and half Klingon. There are two captains, who don't trust each
> other, with the Federation one (a Kirkish/Rikerish hybrid but with a heavy
> dose of battle-weary cyncism) as commanding officer. There's distrust that
> boils over into abject hatred and aggression between the "two crews". Our
> Fed Captain is married, but having an open affair with his first officer, a
> descendant of Janice Rand who, at some point says "being the captain's woman
> runs in the family" and all us Trekkies cheer. Or not.

OMG LOL!

> It's a desperate, gritty, future Trek where the flame of the Federation's
> old idealism flickers weakly in the light of a harsh reality.

Interesting alt universe idea. :)
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171942 ] Do, 24 November 2005 06:01
ToolPackinMama  
The Merry Piper wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:01:17 -0000, "Jaxtraw"
> <jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>I still think prequels are fundamentally constrained- and because we have
>>TNG, TOS became effectively a prequel. The problem is you can't make any
>>lasting changes because the timeline is "fixed".
>
>
> I understand your point and though what you say is true I still
> disagree. With creative writing the fixed future history is
> irrelevant. Look at the host of great US Old West movies, or the
> entertaining WWII flicks (such as "Saving Private Ryan). Knowing the
> broad historical outcome of certain events doesn't mean some rich
> dramatic pieces cannot be set within those same events.

Well said!

> With a little rewriting, many of the TOS and TNG stories would have
> served either show. The fact TNG was TOS' future was largely
> irrelevant.

I agree.
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171943 ] Do, 24 November 2005 06:02
ToolPackinMama  
The Merry Piper wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:01:17 -0000, "Jaxtraw"
> <jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Either that, or Star Trek: Titan. I could dig that, too.
>
>
>
> (one last thing!)
>
> Not my first choice but I would watch it!

::sigh:: So would I.
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171945 ] Do, 24 November 2005 06:05
ToolPackinMama  
Numan wrote:
> "The Merry Piper" <merry_piper_YOUR [at] COATyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:lhb7o1147p598b7lnq3tc87tu3n49v18br [at] 4ax.com...
>
>
>>>The only problem would be with the enormous amount of TNG+ stuff that's
>>>been
>>>made since, it would effectively be another "prequel", and would limit
>>>what
>>>the show could do. Enterprise illustrated that problem perfectly.
>>
>>It would have to be handled well. As long as TPTB stuck with the type
>>of stories that made TOS great, that is, stories about characters
>>rather than technology it should play well.
>
>
> A re-done TOS would suck in my opinion.

I disagree.

I have only seen about
> 1/2 of the original series episodes so I am not an expert and DO NOT
> claim to be. But, the costumes, the stories, and the acting were all so
> overblown that it seemed to take me out of the story.

So? All the more reason to redo it.

> I really hope they don't try and do it. Now, if they want to go back
> into the past and tell stories I don't have a problem with it. I would
> love to see the A, B, C, and even the E with different captains after
> the famous ones retire.

So, in other words, you CAN envision a remake. Just cos it's TOS-era
doesn't mean we have to have Captain Kirk.
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171947 ] Do, 24 November 2005 06:18
sdlitvin  
The Merry Piper wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:01:17 -0000, "Jaxtraw"
> <jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>I still think prequels are fundamentally constrained- and because we have
>>TNG, TOS became effectively a prequel. The problem is you can't make any
>>lasting changes because the timeline is "fixed".
>
>
> I understand your point and though what you say is true I still
> disagree. With creative writing the fixed future history is
> irrelevant. Look at the host of great US Old West movies, or the
> entertaining WWII flicks (such as "Saving Private Ryan). Knowing the
> broad historical outcome of certain events doesn't mean some rich
> dramatic pieces cannot be set within those same events.
>
>
>>E.g. suppose you're doing a new TOS series and you fancy a big war between
>>the Federation and the Romulans. Can't do that, because in TNG it "hadn't
>>happened". Suppose you want to introduce a major new alien species. Can't do
>>that, because they aren't there or mentioned in TNG. Want to introduce some
>>new technology? Can't do that, because the technology always has to be less
>>than what we saw in TNG.
>
>
> "Master & Commander, The Far Side of the World"
> "The Last Samurai"
> "Shogun"
> "Tora Tora Tora"
> "Midway"
> etc ... ad infinitum, ad nauseam
>
> All examples of films set within a conflict which most film-goers are
> aware of the outcome. Were they not still enjoyable?
>
> I will concede, however, it is much easer to be consistent within a
> two hour film than it is a weekly series.

There were successful weekly TV series based on World War II (and its
associated technologies): "Twelve O'Clock High," "Combat," etc. And
"M*A*S*H," of course, was a successful TV series based on the Korean
War. You had it right the first time: Even a TV series based on
historical events can be successful.

But what Braga tried to do with "Enterprise" was the equivalent of
saying "World War One and World War Two are too constraining. And
nobody is going to care about how the League of Nations and the United
Nations came to be or how they turned out. So, let's invent World War
One-and-a-half, which was started by these new foreigners called
Indonesians...."


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Re: My idea for a new series [message #171952 ] Do, 24 November 2005 06:26
ToolPackinMama  
The Merry Piper wrote:

> It would have to be handled well. As long as TPTB stuck with the type
> of stories that made TOS great, that is, stories about characters
> rather than technology it should play well.

I agree. TOS faced technology issues, but always was on the side of
nature, and _natural humanity_. In TOS, sophisticated computers and
computerized things (example, androids) were never as good or as
important as humans.

Real life was (almost) always better than a virtual reality, no matter
how pleasant. The one exception was seen in Menagerie.

In TOS, there was very little technobabble. For example, in "For the
world is hollow, and I have touched the sky", Spock wanders off-camera
(off-stage) at the end, and works the techno-miracle-du-jour discretely,
without explanation or fanfare.

In those days, it was enough for us to know that they had the
technology, that they knew how to use it, and that they simply did it,
and got it done. If you have a good story and interesting characters
(as in TOS), then the (fictional) technology can be a minor point.
Re: My idea for a new series [message #171957 ] Do, 24 November 2005 06:32
ToolPackinMama  
Steven L. wrote:

> But what Braga tried to do with "Enterprise" was the equivalent of
> saying "World War One and World War Two are too constraining. And
> nobody is going to care about how the League of Nations and the United
> Nations came to be or how they turned out. So, let's invent World War
> One-and-a-half, which was started by these new foreigners called
> Indonesians...."

::high five!:: That's why I say ENT took place in an alternate universe.
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