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Science Fiction » alt.startrek » Just an idea...
| Just an idea... [message #166042] |
Do, 17 November 2005 23:11 |
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Several people have proposed new ideas for a new show or movie.
It got me thinking about something I'd like to see.
Star Trek: Pioneer (or whatever title, this one's in honor of my new hdd
recorder ;) )
- The time: The 38th century.
- The United Federation of Planets spans the entire galaxy.
- Voyages to other galaxies are as common as voyages to other stars in the
24th century.
- The story centers around a ship that's been dubbed a 'flying starbase' (I
actually nicked that one from a Star Trek novel I once read). It's name
could be 'USS Pioneer' or it could be of the 'Pioneer class'. The actual
name could be: USS James T. Kirk, or USS Kirk for short. Registry: NCC
472110 D
It has some Hyper Warp drive (or whatever treknobable they want to use)
and it can cross millions of light years in just a few hours.
- The captain is a Founder from our Galaxies Gamma Quadrant. The Founders
have evolved and now their 'great link' also functions across great
distances
through some kind of telepathy. But the longer the distance the harder it is
to maintain the link. Breakpoint is somewhere around 100,000,000 light
years.
- The first officer is a human born on Earth and is considered a rarity.
Practically no humans are born on Earth anymore. Earth has become more of a
park world. A museum. Mars is now the most populous human world and the
capital of the UFP.
- The science officer is a Trill named Dax. Yup the one that once was
Curzon, Jadzia, Ezri and before those three several others. A breakthrough
in science made it possible to extend the life of the symbiont indefinitely.
Who the host is??? I don't know yet. Maybe it even switiches from crew
member to crew member. No longer tied to one single host at the time.
- The ships doctor is a Klingon and he is the paragon of a recent cultural
revolution within what is now the Klingon republic. The Klingons of this age
are the
Galaxies greatest doctors.
- The chief engineer / ops officer is a Romulan. A woman who prides herself
on being a direct descendant of the inventor of the Romulan cloaking device
that was tested during 'Balance of Terror'. Because she very much looks like
a Vulcan she was taunted when she was a child. She has conflicting feelings
towards the works of the Surak of Romulus, better known to us as Spock, who
made it
possible for the unification of Vulcan and Romulus under Vulcan conditions,
effectively making Romulus part of the UFP.
- There is also a communications officer. A very secretive person from Talos
IV. She loves to play games with that Earth human that she finds fascinating
for some reason. Rumor has it that among her ancestors are Chris Pike and
Vina.
- The pilot / navigator is a Medusan. The *only* one capable of handling
navigation with that drive. The rest of the crew are very protective of him.
- Security officer is a Kelvan from Andromeda. In his original form!
Practically always complains about the living conditions.
- The ship itself is self aware (yeah, I know, we saw this also in shows
like 'Farscape'), but it has no biological components. It's main computer
has more in common with the M5. Although slightly less insane.
--
Wouter Valentijn
www.wouter.cc
www.nksf.nl
www.zeppodunsel.nl
liam=mail
The glory of creation is in its infinite diversity and the ways our
differences combine to create meaning and beauty.
Vulcan IDIC "Is There In Truth No Beauty?"
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #166073 ] |
Fr, 18 November 2005 05:40 |
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Wouter Valentijn wrote:
> Several people have proposed new ideas for a new show or movie.
> It got me thinking about something I'd like to see.
>
> Star Trek: Pioneer (or whatever title, this one's in honor of my new hdd
> recorder ;) )
>
> - The time: The 38th century.
>
> - The United Federation of Planets spans the entire galaxy.
>
> - Voyages to other galaxies are as common as voyages to other stars in the
> 24th century.
>
> - The story centers around a ship that's been dubbed a 'flying starbase' (I
> actually nicked that one from a Star Trek novel I once read). It's name
> could be 'USS Pioneer' or it could be of the 'Pioneer class'. The actual
> name could be: USS James T. Kirk, or USS Kirk for short. Registry: NCC
> 472110 D
(etc.)
WOW! Sounds great! :)
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #166088 ] |
Fr, 18 November 2005 18:23 |
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Similar concept to one I came up with when Voyager
ended and people were speculating about what would
come next.
Mine was set several centuries in the future. The
galaxy was divided between three main powers; the
Dominion, the Borg, and the Federation. The Federation
encompassed pretty much everything we've seen in the
Alpha/Beta quadrants; Klingons, Cardassians, Bajorans,
Romulans, Tholians, Romulans, etc.
The three powers are not exactly friendly, but exist
in an uneasy truce since neither is capable of taking
on the others with certainty of success. They come to
the conclusion that they need to send a joint mission
to open up territory in other galaxies, hoping that
expansion there will relieve the tensions in the
Milky Way.
So is built the Enterprise-I. About the size of
Spacedock from ST III, crew in the tens of thousands.
Fitted with transwarp drive courtesy of the Borg, with
a Borg engineering crew to run it.
Security and tactical was provided by a Jem'Hadar
battalion. A Jem'Hadar served as a permanent ship's
ambassador. The Federation ran the rest of the ship.
The idea was to have several of these ships in service,
but they would be very widely scattered - millions of
light years apart. Journeys to other galaxies would
take months, so a typical tour would involve the ship
spending months to get to another galaxy, exploring it
for a season or two, then coming back.
The idea was to combine the best aspects of TOS, TNG and
DS9. On the one hand you could do a lot of pure exploration,
TOS-style. On the other with different factions both on the
ship and at home, you could do complex DS9-type politics.
And you could also do TNG-style diplomacy/negotiation stuff
as needed.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #166089 ] |
Fr, 18 November 2005 19:32 |
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ToolPackinMama wrote:
> Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>> Several people have proposed new ideas for a new show or movie.
>> It got me thinking about something I'd like to see.
>>
>> Star Trek: Pioneer (or whatever title, this one's in honor of my new
>> hdd recorder ;) )
>>
>> - The time: The 38th century.
>>
>> - The United Federation of Planets spans the entire galaxy.
>>
>> - Voyages to other galaxies are as common as voyages to other stars
>> in the 24th century.
>>
>> - The story centers around a ship that's been dubbed a 'flying
>> starbase' (I actually nicked that one from a Star Trek novel I once
>> read). It's name could be 'USS Pioneer' or it could be of the
>> 'Pioneer class'. The actual name could be: USS James T. Kirk, or USS
>> Kirk for short. Registry: NCC 472110 D
>
> (etc.)
>
>
> WOW! Sounds great! :)
I figured it was about time.
Archer got planets named after him.
Pike got a shuttle craft.
Kirk should be connected with cool starships.
--
Wouter Valentijn
www.wouter.cc
www.nksf.nl
www.zeppodunsel.nl
liam=mail
The glory of creation is in its infinite diversity and the ways our
differences combine to create meaning and beauty.
Vulcan IDIC "Is There In Truth No Beauty?"
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #166090 ] |
Fr, 18 November 2005 19:36 |
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Graham Kennedy wrote:
> Similar concept to one I came up with when Voyager
> ended and people were speculating about what would
> come next.
>
> Mine was set several centuries in the future. The
> galaxy was divided between three main powers; the
> Dominion, the Borg, and the Federation. The Federation
> encompassed pretty much everything we've seen in the
> Alpha/Beta quadrants; Klingons, Cardassians, Bajorans,
> Romulans, Tholians, Romulans, etc.
>
Two sets of Romulans? ;)
<snip>
I like it!
Mine could be a sequel to that one.
;)
--
Wouter Valentijn
www.wouter.cc
www.nksf.nl
www.zeppodunsel.nl
liam=mail
The glory of creation is in its infinite diversity and the ways our
differences combine to create meaning and beauty.
Vulcan IDIC "Is There In Truth No Beauty?"
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #166098 ] |
Sa, 19 November 2005 02:55 |
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Wouter Valentijn wrote:
> Archer got planets named after him.
> Pike got a shuttle craft.
> Kirk should be connected with cool starships.
Absolutely!
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #166102 ] |
Sa, 19 November 2005 11:02 |
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Wouter Valentijn wrote:
> Graham Kennedy wrote:
>
>>Similar concept to one I came up with when Voyager
>>ended and people were speculating about what would
>>come next.
>>
>>Mine was set several centuries in the future. The
>>galaxy was divided between three main powers; the
>>Dominion, the Borg, and the Federation. The Federation
>>encompassed pretty much everything we've seen in the
>>Alpha/Beta quadrants; Klingons, Cardassians, Bajorans,
>>Romulans, Tholians, Romulans, etc.
>>
>
>
> Two sets of Romulans? ;)
Yes, the northern ones and the southern ones,
obviously!
> <snip>
>
> I like it!
> Mine could be a sequel to that one.
> ;)
Ha, good idea.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #166106 ] |
Sa, 19 November 2005 17:01 |
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Graham Kennedy wrote:
> Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>> Graham Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>> Similar concept to one I came up with when Voyager
>>> ended and people were speculating about what would
>>> come next.
>>>
>>> Mine was set several centuries in the future. The
>>> galaxy was divided between three main powers; the
>>> Dominion, the Borg, and the Federation. The Federation
>>> encompassed pretty much everything we've seen in the
>>> Alpha/Beta quadrants; Klingons, Cardassians, Bajorans,
>>> Romulans, Tholians, Romulans, etc.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Two sets of Romulans? ;)
>
> Yes, the northern ones and the southern ones,
> obviously!
Ah, thought so.
>
>> <snip>
>>
>> I like it!
>> Mine could be a sequel to that one.
>> ;)
>
> Ha, good idea.
We'll keep 'em busy! <gr>
--
Wouter Valentijn
www.wouter.cc
www.nksf.nl
www.zeppodunsel.nl
liam=mail
The glory of creation is in its infinite diversity and the ways our
differences combine to create meaning and beauty.
Vulcan IDIC "Is There In Truth No Beauty?"
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #166130 ] |
So, 20 November 2005 03:35 |
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How about a series concerning the first voyages of the U.S.S. Enterprise
(NCC-1701) circa 2245. Captain Robert April commanding. Build retro sets
with the communication gear at each station that look like clamp on desk
lamps. Put the crew in turtle neck sweaters cause it is cold in space. It
would be recent enough to ST:TOS that one of the characters can be a young
Ensign Montgomery "Scotty" Scott, like Weasley "Pussy" Crusher, but always
ready with a bottle to drink or bust over someone's head (or heads,
depending on the species)....Well nothing like Weasley actually. I picture
a young Scotty as smart, but undirected young man who was offered a choice
of Star Fleet or jail, because of delinquency. Can you imagine a fight
between a real delinquent and Weasly. New meaning to "Bonk, Bonk on the
Head." Just a thought.
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #166131 ] |
So, 20 November 2005 04:11 |
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EricT wrote:
> How about a series concerning the first voyages of the U.S.S. Enterprise
> (NCC-1701) circa 2245. Captain Robert April commanding. Build retro sets
> with the communication gear at each station that look like clamp on desk
> lamps. Put the crew in turtle neck sweaters cause it is cold in space. It
> would be recent enough to ST:TOS that one of the characters can be a young
> Ensign Montgomery "Scotty" Scott, like Weasley "Pussy" Crusher, but always
> ready with a bottle to drink
FWIW, in TOS we saw McCoy drinking more than we saw Scotty doing it.
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #166132 ] |
So, 20 November 2005 04:34 |
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"EricT" <ericT2 [at] somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:UhRff.7932$%i.6023 [at] tornado.texas.rr.com...
> How about a series concerning the first voyages of the U.S.S. Enterprise
> (NCC-1701) circa 2245. Captain Robert April commanding. Build retro sets
> with the communication gear at each station that look like clamp on desk
> lamps.
Imagine the first half of the premier covering the crew selection and
simultaneous ship assembly in Earth orbit. For a change, shoot it in the
same drunk cameraman style as the new Battlestar Galactica. Since Star Trek
fans thrive on little details, have technicians mention changes to each
other about lessons learned from the construction of 1700 (Constitution)
applied to the construction of 1701. This might head off a character in
show from saying later "only one in the fleet". To add to the retro-tech
style, when the ship launches from its construction 'slip', show a little
thruster action as it slowly emerges from it's shelter. ST:TMP may have
been less then all it could have been, but the segment of the Enterprise
leaving dry-dock was excellent. Another scene that can be thrown in is
Capt. April visiting a museum a seeing the Enterprise NX-01 on display, a
little worse for ware, but still in one piece. I guess NX-01 is in one
piece. I quit watching that show a long time ago, when the writers attempted
to draw an analogy between 'mind-melting' and 'homosexuality' (the point of
the episode is "if it is OK for Spock to mind-melt in the 23 century, then
men humping each other the 21 century is OK"). Don't have anything against
Gay-Trekkie Americans, but I do believe it is abnormal, and do not like
having stories like that 'sprung' on me. The story was totally
inappropriate for this type of show that the writers knew would be watched
by children, many of who's parents would not approve.
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #166133 ] |
So, 20 November 2005 04:42 |
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:32:05 +0100, "Wouter Valentijn"
<liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote:
>ToolPackinMama wrote:
>> Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>>> Several people have proposed new ideas for a new show or movie.
>>> It got me thinking about something I'd like to see.
>>>
>>> Star Trek: Pioneer (or whatever title, this one's in honor of my new
>>> hdd recorder ;) )
>>>
>>> - The time: The 38th century.
>>>
>>> - The United Federation of Planets spans the entire galaxy.
>>>
>>> - Voyages to other galaxies are as common as voyages to other stars
>>> in the 24th century.
>>>
>>> - The story centers around a ship that's been dubbed a 'flying
>>> starbase' (I actually nicked that one from a Star Trek novel I once
>>> read). It's name could be 'USS Pioneer' or it could be of the
>>> 'Pioneer class'. The actual name could be: USS James T. Kirk, or USS
>>> Kirk for short. Registry: NCC 472110 D
>>
>> (etc.)
>>
>>
>> WOW! Sounds great! :)
>
>I figured it was about time.
>Archer got planets named after him.
>Pike got a shuttle craft.
>Kirk should be connected with cool starships.
http://www.answers.com/topic/kirk
The noun kirk has one meaning:
Meaning #1: a Scottish church
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #166139 ] |
So, 20 November 2005 16:18 |
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JimmyRigg [at] dreamnet.net wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:32:05 +0100, "Wouter Valentijn"
> <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote:
>
>> ToolPackinMama wrote:
>>> Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>>>> Several people have proposed new ideas for a new show or movie.
>>>> It got me thinking about something I'd like to see.
>>>>
>>>> Star Trek: Pioneer (or whatever title, this one's in honor of my
>>>> new hdd recorder ;) )
>>>>
>>>> - The time: The 38th century.
>>>>
>>>> - The United Federation of Planets spans the entire galaxy.
>>>>
>>>> - Voyages to other galaxies are as common as voyages to other stars
>>>> in the 24th century.
>>>>
>>>> - The story centers around a ship that's been dubbed a 'flying
>>>> starbase' (I actually nicked that one from a Star Trek novel I once
>>>> read). It's name could be 'USS Pioneer' or it could be of the
>>>> 'Pioneer class'. The actual name could be: USS James T. Kirk, or
>>>> USS Kirk for short. Registry: NCC 472110 D
>>>
>>> (etc.)
>>>
>>>
>>> WOW! Sounds great! :)
>>
>> I figured it was about time.
>> Archer got planets named after him.
>> Pike got a shuttle craft.
>> Kirk should be connected with cool starships.
>
>
> http://www.answers.com/topic/kirk
>
> The noun kirk has one meaning:
>
> Meaning #1: a Scottish church
I am aware of the meaning of the word 'kirk'. Similar to the Dutch 'kerk'.
But this happens to be a Star Trek newsgroup.
Within that context it should be obvious what 'Kirk' means. ;-)
--
Wouter Valentijn
www.wouter.cc
www.nksf.nl
www.zeppodunsel.nl
liam=mail
The glory of creation is in its infinite diversity and the ways our
differences combine to create meaning and beauty.
Vulcan IDIC "Is There In Truth No Beauty?"
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #166140 ] |
So, 20 November 2005 16:24 |
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EricT wrote:
> How about a series concerning the first voyages of the U.S.S.
> Enterprise (NCC-1701) circa 2245. Captain Robert April commanding. Build
> retro sets with the communication gear at each station that
> look like clamp on desk lamps. Put the crew in turtle neck sweaters
> cause it is cold in space. It would be recent enough to ST:TOS that
> one of the characters can be a young Ensign Montgomery "Scotty"
> Scott, like Weasley "Pussy" Crusher, but always ready with a bottle
> to drink or bust over someone's head (or heads, depending on the
> species)....Well nothing like Weasley actually. I picture a young
> Scotty as smart, but undirected young man who was offered a choice of
> Star Fleet or jail, because of delinquency. Can you imagine a fight
> between a real delinquent and Weasly. New meaning to "Bonk, Bonk on
> the Head." Just a thought.
Err... Wild guess: You never liked the character of Wesley Crusher?
And Scotty a delinguent?
I see him more a man that might have chosen law enforcement if he hadn't had
a yen for engineering.
--
Wouter Valentijn
www.wouter.cc
www.nksf.nl
www.zeppodunsel.nl
liam=mail
The glory of creation is in its infinite diversity and the ways our
differences combine to create meaning and beauty.
Vulcan IDIC "Is There In Truth No Beauty?"
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #166141 ] |
So, 20 November 2005 16:33 |
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EricT wrote:
> "EricT" <ericT2 [at] somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:UhRff.7932$%i.6023 [at] tornado.texas.rr.com...
>> How about a series concerning the first voyages of the U.S.S.
>> Enterprise (NCC-1701) circa 2245. Captain Robert April commanding. Build
>> retro sets with the communication gear at each station that
>> look like clamp on desk lamps.
>
>
> Imagine the first half of the premier covering the crew selection and
> simultaneous ship assembly in Earth orbit. For a change, shoot it in
> the same drunk cameraman style as the new Battlestar Galactica. Since
> Star Trek fans thrive on little details, have technicians mention
> changes to each other about lessons learned from the construction of
> 1700 (Constitution) applied to the construction of 1701. This might
> head off a character in show from saying later "only one in the
> fleet". To add to the retro-tech style, when the ship launches from
> its construction 'slip', show a little thruster action as it slowly
> emerges from it's shelter. ST:TMP may have been less then all it
> could have been, but the segment of the Enterprise leaving dry-dock
> was excellent. Another scene that can be thrown in is Capt. April
> visiting a museum a seeing the Enterprise NX-01 on display, a little
> worse for ware, but still in one piece. I guess NX-01 is in one
> piece.
The last episode of Star Trek Enterprise has been broadcast over here
yesterday. I'll watch it somewhere in the next two weeks.
I think that Ent has improved over the last few years. The first two seasons
I considered to be on the dull side with teasers that almost put you to
sleep. But season three had some very interesting ideas and action. And
season four became a tribute to TOS. Did this make the whole of Enterprise a
very good show? Not for me (with several major canon and character
problems), but it was better than the average of Voyager in my opinion. At
least the last half of it.
--
Wouter Valentijn
www.wouter.cc
www.nksf.nl
www.zeppodunsel.nl
liam=mail
The glory of creation is in its infinite diversity and the ways our
differences combine to create meaning and beauty.
Vulcan IDIC "Is There In Truth No Beauty?"
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #166171 ] |
Mo, 21 November 2005 15:08 |
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"Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote in message
news:43809527$0$11063$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl...
>>
> Err... Wild guess: You never liked the character of Wesley Crusher?
> And Scotty a delinguent?
> I see him more a man that might have chosen law enforcement if he hadn't
> had a yen for engineering.
>
He gives that impression in middleage, because of the discipline
instilled in him in his late teens by Star Fleet. In his 40's he can still
choose violence over dialogue (Trouble with Tribbles).
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #166180 ] |
Mo, 21 November 2005 20:16 |
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EricT wrote:
> "Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote in message
> news:43809527$0$11063$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl...
>>>
>> Err... Wild guess: You never liked the character of Wesley Crusher?
>> And Scotty a delinguent?
>> I see him more a man that might have chosen law enforcement if he
>> hadn't had a yen for engineering.
>>
> He gives that impression in middleage, because of the discipline
> instilled in him in his late teens by Star Fleet. In his 40's he can
> still choose violence over dialogue (Trouble with Tribbles).
Well, the Klingons really hurt his pride.
BTW, he was send by Kirk to keep things peaceful. As a matter of fact Kirk
first suspected Chekov to have thrown the first punch.
--
Wouter Valentijn
www.wouter.cc
www.nksf.nl
www.zeppodunsel.nl
liam=mail
The glory of creation is in its infinite diversity and the ways our
differences combine to create meaning and beauty.
Vulcan IDIC "Is There In Truth No Beauty?"
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #171861 ] |
Di, 22 November 2005 00:00 |
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"EricT" <ericT2 [at] somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:a9Sff.7940$%i.3068 [at] tornado.texas.rr.com...
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> "EricT" <ericT2 [at] somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:UhRff.7932$%i.6023 [at] tornado.texas.rr.com...
> > How about a series concerning the first voyages of the U.S.S. Enterprise
> > (NCC-1701) circa 2245. Captain Robert April commanding. Build retro
sets
> > with the communication gear at each station that look like clamp on desk
> > lamps.
>
>
> Imagine the first half of the premier covering the crew selection and
> simultaneous ship assembly in Earth orbit. For a change, shoot it in the
> same drunk cameraman style as the new Battlestar Galactica. Since Star
Trek
> fans thrive on little details, have technicians mention changes to each
> other about lessons learned from the construction of 1700 (Constitution)
> applied to the construction of 1701. This might head off a character in
> show from saying later "only one in the fleet". To add to the retro-tech
> style, when the ship launches from its construction 'slip', show a little
> thruster action as it slowly emerges from it's shelter. ST:TMP may have
> been less then all it could have been, but the segment of the Enterprise
> leaving dry-dock was excellent. Another scene that can be thrown in is
> Capt. April visiting a museum a seeing the Enterprise NX-01 on display, a
> little worse for ware, but still in one piece. I guess NX-01 is in one
> piece. I quit watching that show a long time ago, when the writers
attempted
> to draw an analogy between 'mind-melting' and 'homosexuality' (the point
of
> the episode is "if it is OK for Spock to mind-melt in the 23 century, then
> men humping each other the 21 century is OK"). Don't have anything against
> Gay-Trekkie Americans, but I do believe it is abnormal, and do not like
> having stories like that 'sprung' on me. The story was totally
> inappropriate for this type of show that the writers knew would be watched
> by children, many of who's parents would not approve.
>
>
It's not the job of TV to coddle the bigotry of the audience. No doubt there
were many parents out there who didn't approve of a white man kissing a
black woman in Plato's Stepchildren. No doubt there are parents out there
who tell their children over and over again that gays should be executed.
When the media is scared to upset people like them, society suffers.
If you've got an irrational problem with other peoples' sexuality well,
that's your problem. Tough titties and all that.
And it's mind "melding". Mind melting is what happens if you read too much
scripture, like the idiot who stood on my doorstep this evening regaling me
with the "fact" that evolution didn't happen and I'm going to be burned in
hell by his loving God unless I go to his church and give him money, or
something. I can't help thinking that being loved by God is rather like
being loved by the guy who has you tied up in his cellar.
Yes, I know. Off topic. Just pissed me off, that's all.
Ian
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Di, 22 November 2005 00:29 |
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"Jaxtraw" <jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote in message
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> "EricT" <ericT2 [at] somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:a9Sff.7940$%i.3068 [at] tornado.texas.rr.com...
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> > "EricT" <ericT2 [at] somewhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:UhRff.7932$%i.6023 [at] tornado.texas.rr.com...
> > > How about a series concerning the first voyages of the U.S.S.
Enterprise
> > > (NCC-1701) circa 2245. Captain Robert April commanding. Build retro
> sets
> > > with the communication gear at each station that look like clamp on
desk
> > > lamps.
> >
> >
> > Imagine the first half of the premier covering the crew selection and
> > simultaneous ship assembly in Earth orbit. For a change, shoot it in the
> > same drunk cameraman style as the new Battlestar Galactica. Since Star
> Trek
> > fans thrive on little details, have technicians mention changes to each
> > other about lessons learned from the construction of 1700 (Constitution)
> > applied to the construction of 1701. This might head off a character in
> > show from saying later "only one in the fleet". To add to the
retro-tech
> > style, when the ship launches from its construction 'slip', show a
little
> > thruster action as it slowly emerges from it's shelter. ST:TMP may have
> > been less then all it could have been, but the segment of the Enterprise
> > leaving dry-dock was excellent. Another scene that can be thrown in is
> > Capt. April visiting a museum a seeing the Enterprise NX-01 on display,
a
> > little worse for ware, but still in one piece. I guess NX-01 is in one
> > piece. I quit watching that show a long time ago, when the writers
> attempted
> > to draw an analogy between 'mind-melting' and 'homosexuality' (the point
> of
> > the episode is "if it is OK for Spock to mind-melt in the 23 century,
then
> > men humping each other the 21 century is OK"). Don't have anything
against
> > Gay-Trekkie Americans, but I do believe it is abnormal, and do not like
> > having stories like that 'sprung' on me. The story was totally
> > inappropriate for this type of show that the writers knew would be
watched
> > by children, many of who's parents would not approve.
> >
> >
>
> It's not the job of TV to coddle the bigotry of the audience. No doubt
there
> were many parents out there who didn't approve of a white man kissing a
> black woman in Plato's Stepchildren. No doubt there are parents out there
> who tell their children over and over again that gays should be executed.
> When the media is scared to upset people like them, society suffers.
>
> If you've got an irrational problem with other peoples' sexuality well,
> that's your problem. Tough titties and all that.
>
> And it's mind "melding". Mind melting is what happens if you read too much
> scripture, like the idiot who stood on my doorstep this evening regaling
me
> with the "fact" that evolution didn't happen and I'm going to be burned in
> hell by his loving God unless I go to his church and give him money, or
> something. I can't help thinking that being loved by God is rather like
> being loved by the guy who has you tied up in his cellar.
>
> Yes, I know. Off topic. Just pissed me off, that's all.
Atta boy...well said.
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Qapla'
Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
"Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty (Spectre of the Gun)
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #171874 ] |
Di, 22 November 2005 07:54 |
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"Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote in message
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> Several people have proposed new ideas for a new show or movie.
> It got me thinking about something I'd like to see.
>
> Star Trek: Pioneer (or whatever title, this one's in honor of my new hdd
> recorder ;) )
>
> - The time: The 38th century.
>
> - The United Federation of Planets spans the entire galaxy.
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> - Voyages to other galaxies are as common as voyages to other stars in the
> 24th century.
>
Who's the enemy? What's left to see?
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"I'm not pompous and agrogant, I'm SNARKY"
JK Sinrod
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
www.sinrodstudios.com
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #171884 ] |
Di, 22 November 2005 16:52 |
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:00:42 -0000, "Jaxtraw"
<jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote:
>When the media is scared to upset people like them, society suffers.
What the hell gives you the right to decide who should be "upset" and who
should not? You present here as arrogant, narrow-minded, and provincial as
the people you decry ..
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #171886 ] |
Di, 22 November 2005 17:46 |
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"George Peatty" <peattyg47-1230 [at] copper.net> wrote in message
news:fsp4o1h0c70dd3ebsovnfsjq7sa7a1rgqb [at] 4ax.com...
> On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:00:42 -0000, "Jaxtraw"
> <jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote:
>
> >When the media is scared to upset people like them, society suffers.
>
> What the hell gives you the right to decide who should be "upset" and who
> should not? You present here as arrogant, narrow-minded, and provincial
as
> the people you decry ..
As I'm sure you're aware, I'm not trying to decide who should be upset. I'm
saying that being upset is the inevitable consequence of a pluralist
society. It's the inevitable consequence of any society where people have
the freedom to declare their beliefs and opinions. It's not the job of the
media to avoid upsetting people.
Ian
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #171892 ] |
Di, 22 November 2005 19:52 |
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Jaxtraw wrote:
> "George Peatty" <peattyg47-1230 [at] copper.net> wrote in message
> news:fsp4o1h0c70dd3ebsovnfsjq7sa7a1rgqb [at] 4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:00:42 -0000, "Jaxtraw"
>> <jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote:
>>
>>> When the media is scared to upset people like them, society suffers.
>>
>> What the hell gives you the right to decide who should be "upset"
>> and who should not? You present here as arrogant, narrow-minded,
>> and provincial as the people you decry ..
>
> As I'm sure you're aware, I'm not trying to decide who should be
> upset. I'm saying that being upset is the inevitable consequence of a
> pluralist society. It's the inevitable consequence of any society
> where people have the freedom to declare their beliefs and opinions.
> It's not the job of the media to avoid upsetting people.
>
Sometimes the media even *needs* to upset people.
--
Wouter Valentijn
www.wouter.cc
www.nksf.nl
www.zeppodunsel.nl
liam=mail
The glory of creation is in its infinite diversity and the ways our
differences combine to create meaning and beauty.
Vulcan IDIC "Is There In Truth No Beauty?"
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #171893 ] |
Di, 22 November 2005 20:15 |
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Glassman wrote:
> "Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote in message
> news:437d002b$0$11064$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl...
>> Several people have proposed new ideas for a new show or movie.
>> It got me thinking about something I'd like to see.
>>
>> Star Trek: Pioneer (or whatever title, this one's in honor of my new
>> hdd recorder ;) )
>>
>> - The time: The 38th century.
>>
>> - The United Federation of Planets spans the entire galaxy.
>>
>> - Voyages to other galaxies are as common as voyages to other stars
>> in the 24th century.
>>
>
> Who's the enemy? What's left to see?
Not even in the 24th century in the Star Trek universe every star has been
visited. Not even half the galaxy has been really totally explored in that
age. In this scenario it has taken the Federation more than 1500 years to
spread across the milky way galaxy, and that's a very optimistic scenario,
even if it is 'our backyard'.
When you take this to the cosmic scale you see hundreds of billions of
galaxies. Plenty of stories out there I'd say. A lot to discover.
And as for 'enemies'... A number of enemies during TOS came from outside
our galaxy (or at least they speculated about it): The Kelvins from
Andromeda, the androids from 'I , Mud' who were also from that galaxy, the
Doomsday Machine, The giant Amoeba, The critters from 'Operation:
Annihilate', Korob and Sylvia from 'Cats Paw'. In several other series we
saw invaders from other dimensions and there were even dangers from the
inside like the Essentialist movement and the Maquis. Again there are
several opportunities for some decent mayhem.
--
Wouter Valentijn
www.wouter.cc
www.nksf.nl
www.zeppodunsel.nl
liam=mail
The glory of creation is in its infinite diversity and the ways our
differences combine to create meaning and beauty.
Vulcan IDIC "Is There In Truth No Beauty?"
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #171899 ] |
Mi, 23 November 2005 00:27 |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:46:13 -0000, "Jaxtraw"
<jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote:
>As I'm sure you're aware, I'm not trying to decide who should be upset. I'm
>saying that being upset is the inevitable consequence of a pluralist
>society. It's the inevitable consequence of any society where people have
>the freedom to declare their beliefs and opinions. It's not the job of the
>media to avoid upsetting people.
Given those comments, I retract mine, and apologize. The way you said what
you did just hit me wrong .. to say the obvious, I hope .. and I reacted on
impulse ..
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #171901 ] |
Mi, 23 November 2005 00:32 |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:15:26 +0100, "Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu>
wrote:
>Not even in the 24th century in the Star Trek universe every star has been
>visited. Not even half the galaxy has been really totally explored in that
>age. In this scenario it has taken the Federation more than 1500 years to
>spread across the milky way galaxy, and that's a very optimistic scenario,
>even if it is 'our backyard'.
Half the galaxy? Probably not 1%, including *all* the Star Empires. The
galaxy is a *very* big place. 7 of 9 claimed to have charted some 2 billion
stars, but that's only a fraction of the total, and her charts likely
included little more than galactic coordinates, absolute magnitude, and
spectral type. Even with the advanced sensors of Starfleet, it would not be
possible to scan for planets at interstellar distances of more than a few
parsecs, and certainly not for sentient life ..
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #171902 ] |
Mi, 23 November 2005 01:04 |
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"George Peatty" <peattyg47-1230 [at] copper.net> wrote in message
news:n8a7o1hhpcnn40o3sq1mdo54h5dfjov0r0 [at] 4ax.com...
> On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:46:13 -0000, "Jaxtraw"
> <jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote:
>
> >As I'm sure you're aware, I'm not trying to decide who should be upset.
I'm
> >saying that being upset is the inevitable consequence of a pluralist
> >society. It's the inevitable consequence of any society where people have
> >the freedom to declare their beliefs and opinions. It's not the job of
the
> >media to avoid upsetting people.
>
> Given those comments, I retract mine, and apologize. The way you said
what
> you did just hit me wrong .. to say the obvious, I hope .. and I reacted
on
> impulse ..
Fair enough- I'll try to stay more on-topic in future :) I just rather
cherish living in a part of the world where people have the right to
diversity of opinion, and I guess I get rather too confrontational in
stating that. I apologise for the confrontational tone of my post.
Anyway... back to the Star Trek :)
Ian
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #171903 ] |
Mi, 23 November 2005 01:06 |
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"George Peatty" <peattyg47-1230 [at] copper.net> wrote in message
news:bca7o15n2nlldk1s287qkckalv7rf8kshe [at] 4ax.com...
> On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:15:26 +0100, "Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu>
> wrote:
>
> >Not even in the 24th century in the Star Trek universe every star has
been
> >visited. Not even half the galaxy has been really totally explored in
that
> >age. In this scenario it has taken the Federation more than 1500 years to
> >spread across the milky way galaxy, and that's a very optimistic
scenario,
> >even if it is 'our backyard'.
>
> Half the galaxy? Probably not 1%, including *all* the Star Empires. The
> galaxy is a *very* big place. 7 of 9 claimed to have charted some 2
billion
> stars, but that's only a fraction of the total, and her charts likely
> included little more than galactic coordinates, absolute magnitude, and
> spectral type. Even with the advanced sensors of Starfleet, it would not
be
> possible to scan for planets at interstellar distances of more than a few
> parsecs, and certainly not for sentient life ..
We'd better quickly ignore the admiral in the Alternative Factor who said
that the spatial distortions or whatever they called them had been detected
in all quadrants of the Galaxy, "and beyond".
I prefer to believe that he was under a lot of stress and didn't know what
he was saying :)
Ian
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #171908 ] |
Mi, 23 November 2005 13:48 |
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George Peatty wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:15:26 +0100, "Wouter Valentijn"
> <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote:
>
>> Not even in the 24th century in the Star Trek universe every star
>> has been visited. Not even half the galaxy has been really totally
>> explored in that age. In this scenario it has taken the Federation
>> more than 1500 years to spread across the milky way galaxy, and
>> that's a very optimistic scenario, even if it is 'our backyard'.
>
> Half the galaxy? Probably not 1%, including *all* the Star Empires.
> The galaxy is a *very* big place. 7 of 9 claimed to have charted
> some 2 billion stars, but that's only a fraction of the total, and
> her charts likely included little more than galactic coordinates,
> absolute magnitude, and spectral type. Even with the advanced
> sensors of Starfleet, it would not be possible to scan for planets at
> interstellar distances of more than a few parsecs, and certainly not
> for sentient life ..
True. The galaxy's a big place.
--
Wouter Valentijn
www.wouter.cc
www.nksf.nl
www.zeppodunsel.nl
liam=mail
The glory of creation is in its infinite diversity and the ways our
differences combine to create meaning and beauty.
Vulcan IDIC "Is There In Truth No Beauty?"
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| Re: Just an idea... [message #171909 ] |
Mi, 23 November 2005 13:53 |
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Jaxtraw wrote:
> "George Peatty" <peattyg47-1230 [at] copper.net> wrote in message
> news:bca7o15n2nlldk1s287qkckalv7rf8kshe [at] 4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:15:26 +0100, "Wouter Valentijn"
>> <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>
>>> Not even in the 24th century in the Star Trek universe every star
>>> has been visited. Not even half the galaxy has been really totally
>>> explored in that age. In this scenario it has taken the Federation
>>> more than 1500 years to spread across the milky way galaxy, and
>>> that's a very optimistic scenario, even if it is 'our backyard'.
>>
>> Half the galaxy? Probably not 1%, including *all* the Star Empires.
>> The galaxy is a *very* big place. 7 of 9 claimed to have charted
>> some 2 billion stars, but that's only a fraction of the total, and
>> her charts likely included little more than galactic coordinates,
>> absolute magnitude, and spectral type. Even with the advanced
>> sensors of Starfleet, it would not be possible to scan for planets
>> at interstellar distances of more than a few parsecs, and certainly
>> not for sentient life ..
>
> We'd better quickly ignore the admiral in the Alternative Factor who
> said that the spatial distortions or whatever they called them had
> been detected in all quadrants of the Galaxy, "and beyond".
>
> I prefer to believe that he was under a lot of stress and didn't know
> what he was saying :)
>
Detected by long range scans I presume.
Our telescopes today can observe billions of light years into space.
Those distortions were far from subtle.
--
Wouter Valentijn
www.wouter.cc
www.nksf.nl
www.zeppodunsel.nl
liam=mail
The glory of creation is in its infinite diversity and the ways our
differences combine to create meaning and beauty.
Vulcan IDIC "Is There In Truth No Beauty?"
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