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Fantasy » alt.fan.tolkien » Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion)
| Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #15886] |
Mo, 11 April 2005 03:14 |
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I've just typed out a chapter list for 'The Silmarillion' as part of
plans to do a Chapter-of-the-week series of discussions, and I thought a
few quiz-style questions on the chapter titles might be interesting...
<eg>
The classic question would be to name, in order, all of the 24 chapter
titles for /Quenta Silmarillion/, but as I only got 20 of them (with a
few mistakes in the order as well), we can't do that! Though you may
need to for the final question... <eg>
Here is the chapter list, with the /Quenta Silmarillion/ chapter titles
snipped. The questions follow the list:
<BEGIN QUOTE>
Foreword
Ainulindalë
Valaquenta
Quenta Silmarillion (24 chapters)
<snip>
Akallabêth
Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age
Tables
Genealogies
I - The House of Finwë
II - The Descendents of Olwë and Elwë
III - The House of Bëor
IV and V - The House of Hador and the People of Haleth
The Sundering of the Elves
Note on Pronunciation
Index of Names
Appendix: Elements in Quenya and Sindarin names
<END QUOTE>
Quiz questions on /Quenta Silmarillion/ chapter titles:
1) What word do all the chapter titles have in common?
2) Name at least 10 of the 13 people named in the chapter titles.
3) Who is named twice in the chapter titles?
4) Which two people have chapter titles all to themselves?
5) Name the first chapter.
6) Name the penultimate chapter.
7) Who dies in a chapter title?
8) Name three (or maybe four) pairs of people in the chapter titles.
9) Which chapter title contains a colon?
10) Name the 14th chapter.
Christopher
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #15892 ] |
Mo, 11 April 2005 09:28 |
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In message <Qbk6e.9352$G8.6630 [at] text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
Christopher Kreuzer <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> enriched us with:
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<snip>
> Quiz questions on /Quenta Silmarillion/ chapter titles:
Oh dear! I am nowhere near as well acquainted with the Silm as I am with
LotR, but still, I'll try.
> 1) What word do all the chapter titles have in common?
"Of"
> 2) Name at least 10 of the 13 people named in the chapter titles.
Melian
Thingol
Lúthien
Tuor
Hurin
Turin
Beren
Turgon
Eärendil
Melkor/Morgoth
Aulë
Yavanna
> 3) Who is named twice in the chapter titles?
Turin?
Melkor/Morgoth?
That's two guesses, I know . . .
> 4) Which two people have chapter titles all to themselves?
Turin
and pass
> 5) Name the first chapter.
I know that . . .
but . . .
Something about the 'earliest days' though not quite . . .
'Beginning of Days'?
> 6) Name the penultimate chapter.
Pass
> 7) Who dies in a chapter title?
Thingol?
> 8) Name three (or maybe four) pairs of people in the chapter titles.
I'm sure that Thingol and Melian has one in common.
Wait! Isn't the 'Aulë and Yavanna' chapter in the QS?
(going back up to add them to the list in 2)
Hmm
Lúthien and Beren?
> 9) Which chapter title contains a colon?
Pass
> 10) Name the 14th chapter.
Pass
And as soon as I've sent this, I'll be off to check ;-)
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Troels Forchhammer
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The truth may be out there, but lies are inside your head.
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #15893 ] |
Mo, 11 April 2005 09:53 |
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In message <GGp6e.42635$k4.834625 [at] news1.nokia.com>,
Troels Forchhammer <Troels [at] ThisIsFake.invalid> enriched us with:
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> In message <Qbk6e.9352$G8.6630 [at] text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
> Christopher Kreuzer <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> enriched us with:
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>> Quiz questions on /Quenta Silmarillion/ chapter titles:
>
> Oh dear! I am nowhere near as well acquainted with the Silm as I am
> with LotR, but still, I'll try.
I won't begin to correct myself already -- I didn't do quite as well as
I had hoped, but nowhere near as badly as I had feared, so I'm satisfied
;-)
I just have one comment:
<snip>
>> 8) Name three (or maybe four) pairs of people in the chapter titles.
There are definitely four pairs of equals in the chapter titles ;-)
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Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is t.forch(a)email.dk
And he that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of
wisdom.
- Gandalf, 'LotR' (J.R.R. Tolkien)
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #15894 ] |
Mo, 11 April 2005 10:19 |
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Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
> Quiz questions on /Quenta Silmarillion/ chapter titles:
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> 1) What word do all the chapter titles have in common?
"Of"
> 2) Name at least 10 of the 13 people named in the chapter titles.
Melkor
Aule
Yavanna
Feanor
Melian
Thingol
Fingolfin
Tuor
Idril
Turin
Beren
Luthien
> 3) Who is named twice in the chapter titles?
Erm.... Melkor?
> 4) Which two people have chapter titles all to themselves?
Turin and Fingolfin
> 5) Name the first chapter.
Of the Beginning of Days
> 6) Name the penultimate chapter.
My mind is a blank....
> 7) Who dies in a chapter title?
Fingolfin
> 8) Name three (or maybe four) pairs of people in the chapter titles.
Beren & Luthien
Aule & Yavanna
Tuor & Idril
Thingol & Melian
> 9) Which chapter title contains a colon?
not a clue
> 10) Name the 14th chapter.
not sure, The Ruin of Doriath?
> Christopher
>
Nice quiz. I'm going to have to go and check them now...
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Kieran Sanders
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #15895 ] |
Mo, 11 April 2005 10:33 |
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1) What word do all the chapter titles have in common?
"Of"
2) Name at least 10 of the 13 people named in the chapter titles.
Hmmmm...Beren, Luthien, Turin, Earendil,Fingolfin...Thingol and
Melian...Maeglin...Fëanor? Surely he has a chapter title... Arrrgh!
Give up :-)
3) Who is named twice in the chapter titles?
Dunno
4) Which two people have chapter titles all to themselves?
Turin and Maeglin
5) Name the first chapter.
Of The Beginning Of Days?
6) Name the penultimate chapter
Let's see. Last chapter is "Voyage of Earendil and the War of Wrath"
so what happens before that? Either the Ruin Of Doriath or the Fall Of
Gondolin, which comes first?
7) Who dies in a chapter title?
Fingolfin (Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin)?
8) Name three (or maybe four) pairs of people in the chapter titles.
Beren and Luthien, Thingol and Melian...
9) Which chapter title contains a colon?
Dunno. Oh, hang on...*lightbulb* English then Elvish...Aha! Of the
Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnodiad (sp?)
10) Name the 14th chapter.
Ah come on! :-)
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #15902 ] |
Mo, 11 April 2005 16:02 |
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Wes ðu Christopher Kreuzer hal!
Wheee, a quiz.
> 1) What word do all the chapter titles have in common?
"Of"
> 2) Name at least 10 of the 13 people named in the chapter titles.
Aule
Yavanna
Melian
Thingol
Beren
Luthien
Maeglin
Túrin Turambar
Melkor
Eärendil
Fingolfin
Fëanor
Gaah, I can't seem to remember who I missed.
> 3) Who is named twice in the chapter titles?
Melkor
> 4) Which two people have chapter titles all to themselves?
Maeglin and Túrin Turambar.
> 5) Name the first chapter.
"Of the Beginning of Days".
> 6) Name the penultimate chapter.
"Of the Fall of Gondolin" (or some such thing)
> 7) Who dies in a chapter title?
Fingolfin
> 8) Name three (or maybe four) pairs of people in the chapter titles.
Aule / Yavanna; Thingol / Melian; Beren / Luthien. Are you suggesting
that Fëanor and Melkor were a pair??
> 9) Which chapter title contains a colon?
"Of the alimentary canal of the Noldor"
> 10) Name the 14th chapter.
<boggle> Would *you* have gotten this one?
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Arvind
If you buy a DVD you have a copy. If you want a backup copy you buy
another one. - Jack Valenti, MPAA
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #15904 ] |
Mo, 11 April 2005 20:31 |
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Christopher Kreuzer Qbk6e.9352$G8.6630 [at] text.news.blueyonder.co.uk
creatively typed:
> I've just typed out a chapter list for 'The Silmarillion' as part of
> plans to do a Chapter-of-the-week series of discussions, and I
> thought a few quiz-style questions on the chapter titles might be
> interesting... <eg>
<snip>
> Quiz questions on /Quenta Silmarillion/ chapter titles:
I'm going to bomb this quiz, I just know it...(forgive lack of accents,
etc., my Alt key stopped working and I'm too lazy to cut and paste from
the CharMap.)
> 1) What word do all the chapter titles have in common?
Well, that one's easy: 'Of'.
> 2) Name at least 10 of the 13 people named in the chapter titles.
Turin, Tuor, Hurin, Beren, Luthien, Thingol, Melian, Feanor, Fingolfin,
Finrod, Melkor, Maeglin, Maedhros, I'm just naming all the First Age
people I can think of...
> 3) Who is named twice in the chapter titles?
Hurin?
> 4) Which two people have chapter titles all to themselves?
Turin and Tuor.
> 5) Name the first chapter.
Of the Beginning of Days. Whew, an easy one.
> 6) Name the penultimate chapter.
Not a clue.
> 7) Who dies in a chapter title?
Everybody!! (okay, um, Beren. Maybe.)
> 8) Name three (or maybe four) pairs of people in the chapter titles.
Beren and Luthien. Thingol and Melian. Tuor and Idril?
> 9) Which chapter title contains a colon?
Christopher! Sheesh.
> 10) Name the 14th chapter.
Again with the 'Sheesh'.
Ciaran S.
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #15930 ] |
Di, 12 April 2005 00:09 |
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I'll try this before reading everyone else's...
1) What word do all the chapter titles have in common?
"Of".
2) Name at least 10 of the 13 people named in the chapter titles.
Aule
Beren
Earendil
Feanor
Luthien
Maeglin
Melian
Melkor (not Morgoth!)
Thingol
Turgon
Turin Turambar
Tuor
Yavanna
(There may be some wrong answers in there but I'm confident at least 10
of them are right.)
3) Who is named twice in the chapter titles?
Feanor?
4) Which two people have chapter titles all to themselves?
Maeglin, Turin Turambar
5) Name the first chapter.
D/K
6) Name the penultimate chapter.
Of Tuor and the Fall of Gondolin? I think Of the Voyage of Earendil &
the War of Wrath is the last...
7) Who dies in a chapter title?
Feanor?
8) Name three (or maybe four) pairs of people in the chapter titles.
Aule & Yavanna, Beren & Luthien, Thingol & Melian
9) Which chapter title contains a colon?
Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad
10) Name the 14th chapter.
D/K
- Bruce Tucker
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #18429 ] |
Di, 12 April 2005 18:27 |
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Quoth "Christopher Kreuzer" <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> in article
<Qbk6e.9352$G8.6630 [at] text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>:
> Quiz questions on /Quenta Silmarillion/ chapter titles:
> 1) What word do all the chapter titles have in common?
"Of", most certainly.
> 2) Name at least 10 of the 13 people named in the chapter titles.
Aule, Yavanna, Thingol, Melian, Feanor (I think), Fingolfin, Beren,
Luthien, Maglor, Tuor, Earendil
> 3) Who is named twice in the chapter titles?
I'm having trouble with this one (my chapter list is clearly
incomplete); might it be Feanor? (Now watch him not be in any of
them...)
> 4) Which two people have chapter titles all to themselves?
Hmm. What does "all to themselves" mean? Tuor appear in a chapter
title that contains no other character names, for instance. But I
think that you're probably looking for Maglor and Turin. (I'm
_pretty_ sure that the Silmarillion's "Narn" condensation is named "Of
Turin Turambar", anyway.)
> 5) Name the first chapter.
"Of the Beginning of Days". (Unless it lacks that initial "Of"...)
> 6) Name the penultimate chapter.
Boy, I really ought to be able to do this one... is it "Of the Ruin of
Doriath"? That seems right.
> 7) Who dies in a chapter title?
Fingolfin (and that's a pretty long chapter title!)
> 8) Name three (or maybe four) pairs of people in the chapter titles.
Aule and Yavanna, Thingol and Melian, Beren and Luthien. You're going
to have to help me with the fourth. :)
> 9) Which chapter title contains a colon?
Oh dear. I think it's the one about the Fifth Battle, but I can't for
the life of me remember how to spell the Elvish. I could be entirely
off, though.
> 10) Name the 14th chapter.
Hahahahahahaha. :) How close is "Of Men"?
Steuard Jensen
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #18430 ] |
Di, 12 April 2005 18:36 |
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Quoth sbjensen [at] midway.uchicago.edu (Steuard Jensen) in article
<SFS6e.12$45.2485 [at] news.uchicago.edu>:
> > 2) Name at least 10 of the 13 people named in the chapter titles.
> ..., Maglor, ...
> > 4) Which two people have chapter titles all to themselves?
> But I think that you're probably looking for Maglor and Turin.
I just want to be the first to tease me about repeatedly substituting
"Maglor" for "Maeglin". How embarrassing. (I must have let that
Etext chapter go to my head...)
Steuard Jensen
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #18431 ] |
Di, 12 April 2005 18:46 |
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>> 9) Which chapter title contains a colon?
>Oh dear. I think it's the one about the Fifth Battle, but I can't for
the life of me remember how to spell the Elvish. I could be entirely
off, though.
Pfft - Nirnaeth Arnoediad. It is spelled exactly as it is pronounced.
Neil Anderson (same initials, that's why I know it)
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #18445 ] |
Di, 12 April 2005 20:52 |
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 01:14:24 GMT, "Christopher Kreuzer"
<spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
It's a while since I've posted, but I might as well have a go.
>Quiz questions on /Quenta Silmarillion/ chapter titles:
>
>1) What word do all the chapter titles have in common?
Of. That was easy enough to start with.
>2) Name at least 10 of the 13 people named in the chapter titles.
Umm... Maeglin, Turin, Tuor, Beren, Luthien, Earendil, Aule,
Yavanna... Those are all I can remember offhand. But Feanor has to be
there somewhere, which leaves one more. Did Thingol get a chapter
title?
>3) Who is named twice in the chapter titles?
This is tough. Feanor?
>4) Which two people have chapter titles all to themselves?
Maeglin,definitely... Turin Turambar would be my guess for the other
one.
>5) Name the first chapter.
You cunning devil, you know that no-one reads the first few chapters.
'Of The Coming of the Valar'? Pure guess.
>6) Name the penultimate chapter.
'Of Tuor and the Fall of Gondolin' - I think that came after the Ruin
of Doriath, but I could be wrong.
>7) Who dies in a chapter title?
Either Feanor or Fingolfin.
>8) Name three (or maybe four) pairs of people in the chapter titles.
Aule and Yavanna, Beren and Luthien... here my memory fails me.
>9) Which chapter title contains a colon?
Pass.
>10) Name the 14th chapter.
Pure guess: 'Of the Nirnaeth Arnoeidad'
>Christopher
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #18461 ] |
Di, 12 April 2005 21:26 |
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>>1) What word do all the chapter titles have in common?
Of
>>2) Name at least 10 of the 13 people named in the chapter titles.
Maeglin, Thingol, Melian, Fingolfin, Beren, Luthien, Turin, Feanor,
um.... Yavanna and Aule (do they count as "people"?). Earendil.
>>3) Who is named twice in the chapter titles?
Feanor?
>>4) Which two people have chapter titles all to themselves?
Maeglin and Turin
>>5) Name the first chapter.
Of the Beginning of Days?
>>6) Name the penultimate chapter.
Of the Ruin of Doriath?
>>7) Who dies in a chapter title?
Fingolfin
>>8) Name three (or maybe four) pairs of people in the chapter titles.
Beren and Luthien; Thingol and Melian; Yavanna and Aule; ???Sun and
Moon (if the Maiar spirits are included?)
>> Which chapter title contains a colon?
Of the Fith Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad
>>10) Name the 14th chapter.
Chapter XIV??
Neil Anderson
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #18471 ] |
Di, 12 April 2005 21:34 |
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In article <SFS6e.12$45.2485 [at] news.uchicago.edu>,
Steuard Jensen <sbjensen [at] midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
> > 10) Name the 14th chapter.
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> Hahahahahahaha. :) How close is "Of Men"?
"Of Men" is such a short title that I've always remembered its number, as
it feels so small and lonely without something to boost it. It's 12.
Which means that 14 is, um, "Of Beleriand and its Realms". I think.
Gareth
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #18475 ] |
Di, 12 April 2005 23:18 |
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"Gareth Taylor" <gtaylor [at] chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote
> Steuard Jensen <sbjensen [at] midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
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> > > 10) Name the 14th chapter.
> >
> > Hahahahahahaha. :) How close is "Of Men"?
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> "Of Men" is such a short title that I've always remembered its number,
as
> it feels so small and lonely without something to boost it. It's 12.
> Which means that 14 is, um, "Of Beleriand and its Realms". I think.
Incredible! Absolutely correct!!
Well, as all the questions have been answered, I can now go and mark
them!
Christopher
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #18510 ] |
Mi, 13 April 2005 10:12 |
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In message <BWW6e.10728$G8.6592 [at] text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
Christopher Kreuzer <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> enriched us with:
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> "Gareth Taylor" <gtaylor [at] chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote
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>> Which means that 14 is, um, "Of Beleriand and its Realms".
>> I think.
>
> Incredible! Absolutely correct!!
I'll second that 'Incredible' ;-)
> Well, as all the questions have been answered, I can now go and mark
> them!
You don't have to -- I mean; if you have something more important to do
with your time . . . like cutting you nails . . .
;-)
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Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is t.forch(a)email.dk
Ash nazg durbatuluk,
ash nazg gimbatul,
ash nazgthrakatuluk
agh burzum ishi krimpatul.
- Tolkien in The Fellowship of the Ring
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #18538 ] |
Mi, 13 April 2005 21:47 |
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"TT Arvind" <ttarvind [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cc493c99fca9d01989ed2 [at] news.individual.net...
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> > 9) Which chapter title contains a colon?
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> "Of the alimentary canal of the Noldor"
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ROLFMAO!!
Fall off the chair and die laughing!!
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #18544 ] |
Mi, 13 April 2005 21:44 |
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nanderson [at] transact.bm creatively typed:
> Quoth sbjensen [at] midway.uchicago.edu (Steuard Jensen)
>> Quoth "Christopher Kreuzer" <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk>
>>> 9) Which chapter title contains a colon?
>
>> Oh dear. I think it's the one about the Fifth Battle, but I can't
>> for the life of me remember how to spell the Elvish. I could be
>> entirely off, though.
>
> Pfft - Nirnaeth Arnoediad. It is spelled exactly as it is
> pronounced.
OMG, it really is. ROFL!
Ciaran S.
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #18548 ] |
Mi, 13 April 2005 22:56 |
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Steuard Jensen <sbjensen [at] midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
> Quoth sbjensen [at] midway.uchicago.edu (Steuard Jensen) in article
> <SFS6e.12$45.2485 [at] news.uchicago.edu>:
>>> 2) Name at least 10 of the 13 people named in the chapter titles.
>>> ..., Maglor, ...
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>>> 4) Which two people have chapter titles all to themselves?
>> But I think that you're probably looking for Maglor and Turin.
>
> I just want to be the first to tease me about repeatedly substituting
> "Maglor" for "Maeglin". How embarrassing. (I must have let that
> Etext chapter go to my head...)
Don't worry. We'll just tease you for this instead: mentioning Turin in
your answer to question 4, but omitting him from your list of answers to
question 2... :-)
We expect better from you in the LotR Chapter Titles Quiz - coming to a
newsgroup near you soon! No swotting!
Christopher
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Mi, 13 April 2005 23:49 |
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TT Arvind <ttarvind [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> Wes ðu Christopher Kreuzer hal!
>> 10) Name the 14th chapter.
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> <boggle> Would *you* have gotten this one?
Hmm. Maybe! :-)
Do a quiz and see how I do!
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Mi, 13 April 2005 23:50 |
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Steuard Jensen <sbjensen [at] midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
> Quoth "Christopher Kreuzer" <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk>
>> 3) Who is named twice in the chapter titles?
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> I'm having trouble with this one (my chapter list is clearly
> incomplete); might it be Feanor? (Now watch him not be in any of
> them...)
So how incomplete was your list?
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #18552 ] |
Mi, 13 April 2005 23:53 |
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Christopher Kreuzer <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
<snip>
> Quiz questions on /Quenta Silmarillion/ chapter titles:
And here are the answers, together with some comments on the answers
people provided. So far, nine people have responded. It did confuse me
though that 3 different Kieran/Ciarans responded!
> 1) What word do all the chapter titles have in common?
Of (9/9 people got this)
> 2) Name at least 10 of the 13 people named in the chapter titles.
Aulë (7/9 people got this)
Yavanna (7/9 people got this)
Melkor (5/9 people got this)
Thingol (9/9 people got this)
Melian (8/9 people got this)
Fëanor (8/9 people got this)
Maeglin (6/9 people got this)
Fingolfin (6/9 people got this)
Beren (9/9 people got this)
Lúthien (9/9 people got this)
Túrin Turambar (8/9 people got this)
Tuor (6/9 people got this)
Eärendil (7/9 people got this)
I can understand Melkor, Maeglin and Fingolfin being difficult to
remember, but I'm suprised not many people got Tuor.
Arvind and Bruce Tucker were most successful at this, getting 12/13
each. Only one person failed to get the required 10/13.
Other answers included: Húrin (twice), Finrod, Idril, Turgon (twice),
Maglor, and Maedhros. Maybe a bit of guessing going on there?
> 3) Who is named twice in the chapter titles?
Melkor (3/9 people got this)
Four people went for Feanor, for some reason. One went for Húrin, though
it is a bit difficult to appear twice when you don't even appear once.
> 4) Which two people have chapter titles all to themselves?
Maeglin (5/9 people got this)
Túrin Turambar (9/9 people got this)
Note that the person who failed to name Túrin in question 2, managed to
name him for this question...
> 5) Name the first chapter.
Of the Beginning of Days (7/9 people got this)
> 6) Name the penultimate chapter.
Of Tuor and the Fall of Gondolin (3/9 people got this)
A bit of confusion here. As many as three people went for "Of the Ruin
of Doriath". They had obviously forgotten Ulmo's words to Turgon:
"Longest of all the realms of the Eldalië shall Gondolin stand against
Melkor." (Of the Noldor in Beleriand)
> 7) Who dies in a chapter title?
Fingolfin (5/9 people got this)
> 8) Name three (or maybe four) pairs of people in the chapter titles.
Aulë and Yavanna (7/9 people got this)
Thingol and Melian (8/9 people got this)
The Sun and the Moon (1/9 people got this)
Beren and Lúthien (9/9 people got this)
Obviously everyone got Beren and Luthien. Congratulations to Neil
Anderson for getting "The Sun and the Moon"!
Three people failed to get the 3/4 required. Bit of a high bar there for
that question, sorry about that.
> 9) Which chapter title contains a colon?
Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad (4/9 people got this)
I was impressed so many people got this. The Pun Master also couldn't
resist the obvious pun!
> 10) Name the 14th chapter.
Of Beleriand and its Realms (0/9 people got this)
I was disappointed that only two people tried to guess. Steuard Jenson's
"Of Men" was fairly close, but "Of the Nirnaeth Arnoediad" was way out.
So, the results! Two marks: one out of a possible 27 marks (one for each
answer), and one out of 10 (needing 10/13 for Q2, half marks for the
answers to Q4, and 3/4 for Q8).
Out of 27:
TT Arvind - 22
Neil Anderson - 21
Bruce Tucker - 20
Kieran Sanders - 19
Steuard Jensen - 18
Troels Forchhammer - 17
Ciaran Irvine - 17
Matthew T Curtis - 16
Shanahan - 15
Out of 10:
TT Arvind - 8
Neil Anderson - 7
Kieran Sanders - 6.5
Steuard Jensen - 6.5
Bruce Tucker - 6
Troels Forchhammer - 5.5
Ciaran Irvine - 5
Matthew T Curtis - 4
Shanahan - 3.5
So congratulations to the Pun Master!
For the sake of completeness, the chapter list:
1) Of the Beginning of Days
2) Of Aulë and Yavanna
3) Of the Coming of the Elves and the Captivity of Melkor
4) Of Thingol and Melian
5) Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië
6) Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor
7) Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor
8) Of the Darkening of Valinor
9) Of the Flight of the Noldor
10) Of the Sindar
11) Of the Sun and Moon and the Hiding of Valinor
12) Of Men
13) Of the Return of the Noldor
14) Of Beleriand and its Realms
15) Of the Noldor in Beleriand
16) Of Maeglin
17) Of the Coming of Men into the West
18) Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin
19) Of Beren and Lúthien
20) Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad
21) Of Túrin Turambar
22) Of the Ruin of Doriath
23) Of Tuor and the Fall of Gondolin
24) Of the Voyage of Eärendil and the War of Wrath
I hereby donate this list to whoever does the parasha page for the
discussions on 'The Silmarillion'. Plus the rest of the contents list in
the first post in this thread.
Christopher
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #18611 ] |
Do, 14 April 2005 05:14 |
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Christopher Kreuzer Dxg7e.11501$G8.11072 [at] text.news.blueyonder.co.uk
creatively typed:
> And here are the answers, together with some comments on the answers
> people provided. So far, nine people have responded. It did confuse
> me though that 3 different Kieran/Ciarans responded!
Confused us, too. (Fellow namesakes: if you don't mind my asking,
who's male and who's female? Me, female.)
>> 3) Who is named twice in the chapter titles?
>> Melkor (3/9 people got this)
>> Four people went for Feanor, for some reason. One went for Húrin,
though
>> it is a bit difficult to appear twice when you don't even appear
once.
Darn. Mixed it up with the 'Narn i hin Húrin' in UT.
>> 4) Which two people have chapter titles all to themselves?
> Maeglin (5/9 people got this)
> Túrin Turambar (9/9 people got this)
Wouldn't "Of Tuor and the Fall of Gondolin" count?
> Shanahan - 15
> Shanahan - 3.5
Told you I'd bomb. Ah well. When shall come the day of my revenge...
Thanks, Christopher! Fun quiz. Makes me wonder about my definition of
'fun' -- what a bunch o' geeks we are!
Ciaran S.
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #18617 ] |
Do, 14 April 2005 09:17 |
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Shanahan <poguesDEL [at] ITbluefrog.com> wrote:
> Christopher Kreuzer Dxg7e.11501$G8.11072 [at] text.news.blueyonder.co.uk
> creatively typed:
<snip>
>>> 4) Which two people have chapter titles all to themselves?
>> Maeglin (5/9 people got this)
>> Túrin Turambar (9/9 people got this)
>
> Wouldn't "Of Tuor and the Fall of Gondolin" count?
No. Compare to "Of Maeglin" and "Of Túrin Turambar". Admittedly, I could
have phrased the question a bit better, along the lines of: "Which
chapter titles only describe a person?"
>> Shanahan - 15
>> Shanahan - 3.5
>
> Told you I'd bomb. Ah well. When shall come the day of my revenge...
When you write a quiz? I'm setting myself up for a big fall here. It is
much easier to write a quiz than to successfully answer one...
> Thanks, Christopher! Fun quiz. Makes me wonder about my definition
> of 'fun' -- what a bunch o' geeks we are!
Absolutely! :-)
Christopher
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #18623 ] |
Do, 14 April 2005 10:33 |
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In message <oOo7e.11694$G8.6858 [at] text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
Christopher Kreuzer <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> enriched us with:
>
> Shanahan <poguesDEL [at] ITbluefrog.com> wrote:
>>
<snip>
>> Told you I'd bomb. Ah well.
Let's not worry -- we're in good company ;-)
>> When shall come the day of my revenge...
>
> When you write a quiz? I'm setting myself up for a big fall here.
> It is much easier to write a quiz than to successfully answer one...
Don't think we won't . . .
Just out of innocent curiosity: what are your weakest points in Tolkien
lore? >:->
>> Thanks, Christopher! Fun quiz. Makes me wonder about my definition
>> of 'fun' -- what a bunch o' geeks we are!
>
> Absolutely! :-)
And completely unrepentant about it!
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Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is t.forch(a)email.dk
Five exclamation marks, the sure sign of an insane mind.
- (Terry Pratchett, Reaper Man)
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #18634 ] |
Do, 14 April 2005 13:20 |
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> Confused us, too. (Fellow namesakes: if you don't mind my asking,
> who's male and who's female? Me, female.)
Yer a girl called Ciaran? That's a bit odd if ye don't mind me saying
:-)
The female form is Ciara, usually.
For the trivia junkies:
Ciarán is the original Gaelic (the accent is called a "fada" and
lengthens the vowel in Irish. C is always a "K" sound just like
Sindarin, so phonetically it's properly pronounced something like
"Keer-awn". Various alternative spellings, mainly Anglicized versions,
include Ciaran, Ciaron, Kieran, Kieron and a few other random
combinations of vowels with a C at the start and an N at the end that
banks, phone companies and junk mailers keep putting on the address of
my snailmail...
Hey, if the Scands can ramble on about their linguistic curiosities,
so can the Irish :-)
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #18714 ] |
Fr, 15 April 2005 17:33 |
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Quoth "Christopher Kreuzer" <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> in article
<Mug7e.11499$G8.9526 [at] text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>:
> Steuard Jensen <sbjensen [at] midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
....
> > I'm having trouble with this one (my chapter list is clearly
> > incomplete)
> So how incomplete was your list?
Well, I deleted what I had, so I'm working from memory here, but
here's what I recall about what I had wrong:
3. I had "Of the Coming of the Elves", but I forgot the "and the
Captivity of Melkor" bit, which contributed to my failure to
identify him as being named twice (or once, for that matter).
5. I didn't have "Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalie", but I'd
left a gap around here because I felt like I was missing an "Elves
in Valinor" title. (At one point, I tentatively wrote in "Of the
Noldor in Valinor", but that seemed at once too specific and too
similar to #15.)
6. I'd mistakenly identified this one as "Of Feanor and the Making of
the Silmarils" instead of "and the Unchaining of Melkor", hence
completing my "missing Melkor" error.
7. As you might expect from my mistake with #6, I forgot that "Of the
Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor" was a separate chapter
entirely.
10. I forgot "Of the Sindar" completely, too.
11. I actually split "Of the Sun and Moon and the Hiding of Valinor"
into two chapters for some reason.
16. I've already acknowledged my embarrassment on "Of Maeglin". I
wasn't sure where to put it, either.
17. I'd completely forgotten that "Of the Coming of Men into the West"
was a separate chapter from "Of Men", so I think I may have put my
"Of Men" somewhere in between here and its actual spot as #12.
(Hence my guess that it was #14.)
22-23. I reversed the order of the falls of Doriath and Gondolin
(obviously).
24. I don't recall if I remembered to include "and the War of Wrath"
after "Of the Voyage of Earendil".
No, I don't suppose anyone _actually_ wanted all that detail, but
hey. What this _does_ tell me is that I need to get back in practice
with these details! It's been a while since I've read Silm. cover to
cover. (But I should probably publish this research paper first...)
Steuard Jensen
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #18728 ] |
Fr, 15 April 2005 20:43 |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:53:39 GMT, "Christopher Kreuzer"
<spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>So, the results! Two marks: one out of a possible 27 marks (one for each
>answer), and one out of 10 (needing 10/13 for Q2, half marks for the
>answers to Q4, and 3/4 for Q8).
>
>Out of 27:
>
>TT Arvind - 22
>Neil Anderson - 21
>Bruce Tucker - 20
>Kieran Sanders - 19
>Steuard Jensen - 18
>Troels Forchhammer - 17
>Ciaran Irvine - 17
>Matthew T Curtis - 16
>Shanahan - 15
>
>Out of 10:
>
>TT Arvind - 8
>Neil Anderson - 7
>Kieran Sanders - 6.5
>Steuard Jensen - 6.5
>Bruce Tucker - 6
>Troels Forchhammer - 5.5
>Ciaran Irvine - 5
>Matthew T Curtis - 4
>Shanahan - 3.5
>
I think my score is what's known to our Americancousins as a
'Gentleman's C'.
>
>Christopher
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Matthew T Curtis mtcurtis[at]dsl.pipex.com
HIV+ for 24 glorious years!
And no, reason and logic are not masculine instruments of
oppression. To suggest that they are is an insult to women
- Richard Dawkins
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #18768 ] |
So, 17 April 2005 04:30 |
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Ciar?n Irvine a575142e.0504140320.44257448 [at] posting.google.com typed:
> Shanahan wrote:
>> Confused us, too. (Fellow namesakes: if you don't mind my asking,
>> who's male and who's female? Me, female.)
>
> Yer a girl called Ciaran? That's a bit odd if ye don't mind me saying
> :-)
> The female form is Ciara, usually.
I don't mind, I'm a bit odd myself. My parents named me Kieran,
figuring no one on this side of the pond would know better; but I
changed it to Ciaran because I liked the look of it. Ciara was never an
option -- altogether too precious.
> For the trivia junkies:
> Ciarán is the original Gaelic (the accent is called a "fada" and
> lengthens the vowel in Irish. C is always a "K" sound just like
> Sindarin, so phonetically it's properly pronounced something like
> "Keer-awn". Various alternative spellings, mainly Anglicized
Just another example of England's agelong attempt to exterminate Irish
culture! <g>
> Hey, if the Scands can ramble on about their linguistic curiosities,
> so can the Irish :-)
And they do ramble on, don't they? <ducks and runs>
Ciaran S.
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-oscar wilde, on his deathbed
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #18773 ] |
So, 17 April 2005 11:14 |
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Troels Forchhammer <Troels [at] ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote:
> Christopher Kreuzer <spamgard [at] blueyonder.co.uk> enriched us with:
>> Shanahan <poguesDEL [at] ITbluefrog.com> wrote:
>>> When shall come the day of my revenge...
>>
>> When you write a quiz? I'm setting myself up for a big fall here.
>> It is much easier to write a quiz than to successfully answer one...
>
> Don't think we won't . . .
>
> Just out of innocent curiosity: what are your weakest points in
> Tolkien lore? >:->
Well, I'm hurriedly re-reading 'The Hobbit'!
>>> Thanks, Christopher! Fun quiz. Makes me wonder about my definition
>>> of 'fun' -- what a bunch o' geeks we are!
>>
>> Absolutely! :-)
>
> And completely unrepentant about it!
Absolutely!! :-)
Christopher
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #25103 ] |
So, 01 Mai 2005 21:20 |
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Ciarán Irvine wrote:
> Ciarán is the original Gaelic (the accent is called a "fada" and
> lengthens the vowel in Irish. C is always a "K" sound just like
> Sindarin, so phonetically it's properly pronounced something like
> "Keer-awn". Various alternative spellings, mainly Anglicized versions,
> include Ciaran, Ciaron, Kieran, Kieron and a few other random
> combinations of vowels with a C at the start and an N at the end that
> banks, phone companies and junk mailers keep putting on the address of
> my snailmail...
> Hey, if the Scands can ramble on about their linguistic curiosities,
> so can the Irish :-)
well, we scands can't disappoint, can we?
Ciarán has entered at least the norwegian namesphere. a boy i know was
named Tjerand. there are currently 50 namesakes for him in Norway. there
are also 18 people called Kjerand.
the "tj" and "kj" letter combinations are pronounced like sh, but
without the s sound. i guess that's what you get when you import the
"kia" bit from gaelic.
the d at the end of the name is not pronounced.
hah! even irish linguistics can spur a thread on scandinavian linguistics!
tamf
follow-up set to alt.fan.tolkien
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #27076 ] |
Mo, 02 Mai 2005 16:31 |
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>> 8) Name three (or maybe four) pairs of people in the chapter titles.
>Aul=EB and Yavanna (7/9 people got this)
>Thingol and Melian (8/9 people got this)
>The Sun and the Moon (1/9 people got this)
>Beren and L=FAthien (9/9 people got this)
>Obviously everyone got Beren and Luthien. Congratulations to Neil
Anderson for getting "The Sun and the Moon"!
Yay! Go me!
And I am amazed at my overall standing as well. Guess it just goes to
prove, the Silmarillion is my favourite JRRT book.
Neil Anderson
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| Re: Chapter Titles Quiz (Silmarillion) [message #27101 ] |
Mo, 02 Mai 2005 20:03 |
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"Tamf Moo" <liddlelellow [at] yahoo.co.uk> skrev i en meddelelse
news:3dl3eaF6p5bglU1 [at] individual.net...
> Ciarán has entered at least the norwegian namesphere. a boy i know was
> named Tjerand. there are currently 50 namesakes for him in Norway. there
> are also 18 people called Kjerand.
> the "tj" and "kj" letter combinations are pronounced like sh, but
> without the s sound. i guess that's what you get when you import the
> "kia" bit from gaelic.
> the d at the end of the name is not pronounced.
I didn't know this, but am not surprised. Ciarán won't be the first
Gaelic import of names to Scand. Kjartan and Njal come to mind.
Crú.
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