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Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158420] So, 30 Oktober 2005 20:37
George Peatty  
On 30 Oct 2005 10:49:18 -0800, "The Fool" <kands00 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

>Christian Celebrities don't have to be Christian, only appearing in a
>Christian film. The same is true of most of the cast of Star Trek.
>While they were Star Trek Celebrities, most dispised being called
>Trekkies or being identified with that series. It didn't lessen their
>status as Star Trek symbols, though.

I'd like to hear you name names. Which Star Trek celebrities despised being
identified with the series? I know Avery Brooks was no big fan, but I'd be
surprised to learn he hated his involvement. Who are we talking about here?
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158421 ] So, 30 Oktober 2005 21:22
Kris Baker  
> On 30 Oct 2005 10:49:18 -0800, "The Fool" <kands00 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Christian Celebrities don't have to be Christian, only appearing in a
>Christian film. The same is true of most of the cast of Star Trek.
>While they were Star Trek Celebrities, most dispised being called
>Trekkies or being identified with that series. It didn't lessen their
>status as Star Trek symbols, though.

This sounds suspiciously like Utah, where some of the more
Fundamentalist Mormons still call Jews "Gentiles".

Kris
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158422 ] So, 30 Oktober 2005 22:06
Kees Boer  
Most actors will never dish on their own shows or films. That would be like
shooting yourself in the foot. The only time I've seen anything like this is
when they become really huge celebrities outside of the franchise that made
them big and they don't feel they need it anymore.

The vast majority of actors/actresses that I've talked with, who played on
Startrek seemed to have liked it.

Kees



"George Peatty" <pttyg47-1230 [at] copper.net> wrote in message
news:u38am153n2tf0kshbodn53537k1oj4ng4g [at] 4ax.com...
> On 30 Oct 2005 10:49:18 -0800, "The Fool" <kands00 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Christian Celebrities don't have to be Christian, only appearing in a
>>Christian film. The same is true of most of the cast of Star Trek.
>>While they were Star Trek Celebrities, most dispised being called
>>Trekkies or being identified with that series. It didn't lessen their
>>status as Star Trek symbols, though.
>
> I'd like to hear you name names. Which Star Trek celebrities despised
> being
> identified with the series? I know Avery Brooks was no big fan, but I'd
> be
> surprised to learn he hated his involvement. Who are we talking about
> here?
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158423 ] So, 30 Oktober 2005 23:22
Derek Janssen  
George Peatty (oo, nice crosspost, George, really know your groups!) wrote:
>
> On 30 Oct 2005 10:49:18 -0800, "The Fool" <kands00 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Christian Celebrities don't have to be Christian, only appearing in a
>>Christian film. The same is true of most of the cast of Star Trek.
>>While they were Star Trek Celebrities, most dispised being called
>>Trekkies or being identified with that series. It didn't lessen their
>>status as Star Trek symbols, though.
>
>
> I'd like to hear you name names. Which Star Trek celebrities despised being
> identified with the series? I know Avery Brooks was no big fan, but I'd be
> surprised to learn he hated his involvement. Who are we talking about here?

Let's put it this way:
Could Denise Crosby get any *snottier*?

Derek Janssen (Gates McFadden wasn't known to be a ray of sunshine, either)
djanss [at] charter.net
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158425 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 00:27
ANIM8Rfsk  
in article u38am153n2tf0kshbodn53537k1oj4ng4g [at] 4ax.com, George Peatty at
pttyg47-1230 [at] copper.net wrote on 10/30/05 12:37 PM:

> On 30 Oct 2005 10:49:18 -0800, "The Fool" <kands00 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Christian Celebrities don't have to be Christian, only appearing in a
>> Christian film. The same is true of most of the cast of Star Trek.
>> While they were Star Trek Celebrities, most dispised being called
>> Trekkies or being identified with that series. It didn't lessen their
>> status as Star Trek symbols, though.
>
> I'd like to hear you name names. Which Star Trek celebrities despised being
> identified with the series? I know Avery Brooks was no big fan, but I'd be
> surprised to learn he hated his involvement. Who are we talking about here?

Actually I'd think any of the actors would object to being called a Trekkie,
as Trekkie is an insulting term for a fan, and clearly doesn't refer to the
actors at all unless they're also a dweebie fan as well, like maybe Will
Wheaton or something.

--

You Can't Stop the Signal
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158426 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 00:28
ANIM8Rfsk  
in article lCb9f.6781$7s1.902 [at] fe04.lga, Derek Janssen at
djanss [at] nospam.charter.net wrote on 10/30/05 3:22 PM:

> George Peatty (oo, nice crosspost, George, really know your groups!) wrote:
>>
>> On 30 Oct 2005 10:49:18 -0800, "The Fool" <kands00 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Christian Celebrities don't have to be Christian, only appearing in a
>>> Christian film. The same is true of most of the cast of Star Trek.
>>> While they were Star Trek Celebrities, most dispised being called
>>> Trekkies or being identified with that series. It didn't lessen their
>>> status as Star Trek symbols, though.
>>
>>
>> I'd like to hear you name names. Which Star Trek celebrities despised being
>> identified with the series? I know Avery Brooks was no big fan, but I'd be
>> surprised to learn he hated his involvement. Who are we talking about here?
>
> Let's put it this way:
> Could Denise Crosby get any *snottier*?
>
> Derek Janssen (Gates McFadden wasn't known to be a ray of sunshine, either)
> djanss [at] charter.net

But at least Gates couldn't act, and wasn't very attractive.

--

You Can't Stop the Signal
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158428 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 01:06
Derek Janssen  
ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
>
>>>I'd like to hear you name names. Which Star Trek celebrities despised being
>>>identified with the series? I know Avery Brooks was no big fan, but I'd be
>>>surprised to learn he hated his involvement. Who are we talking about here?
>>
>>Let's put it this way:
>>Could Denise Crosby get any *snottier*?
>>
>>(Gates McFadden wasn't known to be a ray of sunshine, either)
>
> But at least Gates couldn't act, and wasn't very attractive.

And keeping in mind her directing job on the "Geneses" episode...it was
a triple-threat. -_-

Derek Janssen (sorry I had to mention that one, a.s <shudder!>)
djanss [at] charter.net
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158429 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 01:07
Graham Kennedy  
Kees Boer wrote:

> Most actors will never dish on their own shows or films. That would be like
> shooting yourself in the foot. The only time I've seen anything like this is
> when they become really huge celebrities outside of the franchise that made
> them big and they don't feel they need it anymore.
>
> The vast majority of actors/actresses that I've talked with, who played on
> Startrek seemed to have liked it.

Why would we expect any actor to be a fan of the
thing they act in? Do we expect Jamie Lee Curtis
to love horror movies, or Pamela Anderson to be
a big Baywatch fan?

If a Trek actor likes Trek that's fine, but it's not
a requirement. They're actors, it's their job to do
the best portrayal of a character they can. What
they are interested in on their own time is their
own business.

--
Graham Kennedy

Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158434 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 01:27
George Peatty  
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:22:52 -0500, Derek Janssen
<djanss [at] nospam.charter.net> wrote:

>Let's put it this way:
>Could Denise Crosby get any *snottier*?

You'll not convince me Crosby "hated" her involvement with Star Trek. She
made at least three guest appearances after she "left" the series. An actor
who hates what he's doing doesn't do that ..
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158435 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 02:32
ToolPackinMama  
George Peatty wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:22:52 -0500, Derek Janssen
> <djanss [at] nospam.charter.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Let's put it this way:
>>Could Denise Crosby get any *snottier*?
>
>
> You'll not convince me Crosby "hated" her involvement with Star Trek. She
> made at least three guest appearances after she "left" the series. An actor
> who hates what he's doing doesn't do that ..

I agree.
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158438 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 02:51
Lincoln Spector  
"Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
news:Mdd9f.178$2D3.472 [at] news-1.opaltelecom.net...
> Kees Boer wrote:
>
>> Most actors will never dish on their own shows or films. That would be
>> like shooting yourself in the foot. The only time I've seen anything like
>> this is when they become really huge celebrities outside of the franchise
>> that made them big and they don't feel they need it anymore.
>>
>> The vast majority of actors/actresses that I've talked with, who played
>> on Startrek seemed to have liked it.
>
> Why would we expect any actor to be a fan of the
> thing they act in? Do we expect Jamie Lee Curtis
> to love horror movies, or Pamela Anderson to be
> a big Baywatch fan?
>
> If a Trek actor likes Trek that's fine, but it's not
> a requirement. They're actors, it's their job to do
> the best portrayal of a character they can. What
> they are interested in on their own time is their
> own business.
But they very seldom publicly dis something they've been in. It's bad for
their career.

Lincoln
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158440 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 03:41
trotsky  
Derek Janssen wrote:
> George Peatty (oo, nice crosspost, George, really know your groups!) wrote:
>
>>
>> On 30 Oct 2005 10:49:18 -0800, "The Fool" <kands00 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Christian Celebrities don't have to be Christian, only appearing in a
>>> Christian film. The same is true of most of the cast of Star Trek.
>>> While they were Star Trek Celebrities, most dispised being called
>>> Trekkies or being identified with that series. It didn't lessen their
>>> status as Star Trek symbols, though.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'd like to hear you name names. Which Star Trek celebrities despised
>> being
>> identified with the series? I know Avery Brooks was no big fan, but
>> I'd be
>> surprised to learn he hated his involvement. Who are we talking about
>> here?
>
>
> Let's put it this way:
> Could Denise Crosby get any *snottier*?
>
> Derek Janssen (Gates McFadden wasn't known to be a ray of sunshine, either)


Gay guys tend not to have too many nice things to say about
women--unless they're Cher, of course.
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158441 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 04:18
Derek Janssen  
ToolPackinMama wrote:
> George Peatty wrote:
>
>>> Let's put it this way:
>>> Could Denise Crosby get any *snottier*?
>>
>> You'll not convince me Crosby "hated" her involvement with Star Trek.
>> She
>> made at least three guest appearances after she "left" the series. An
>> actor
>> who hates what he's doing doesn't do that ..
>
>
> I agree.

Not unless it's to:
A) kill herself off with a snotty in-joke about her off-screen complaints,
B) return in request to fan-geek demand, for the sole purpose of getting
herself killed off *again*,
and
C) return for a third time as an evil Romulan commander with the intent
of destroying the Enterprise.

(...Might we suspect that someone has *issues*?) :)

Derek Janssen (o-KAY, Denise, so we're sorry "Pet Sematary" wasn't a
hit, sheesh!)
djanss [at] charter.net
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158442 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 04:39
ToolPackinMama  
Derek Janssen wrote:
> ToolPackinMama wrote:
>
>> George Peatty wrote:
>>
>>>> Let's put it this way:
>>>> Could Denise Crosby get any *snottier*?
>>>
>>>
>>> You'll not convince me Crosby "hated" her involvement with Star
>>> Trek. She
>>> made at least three guest appearances after she "left" the series.
>>> An actor
>>> who hates what he's doing doesn't do that ..
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree.
>
>
> Not unless it's to: (etc.)

I still agree with George.
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158446 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 05:41
Lincoln Spector  
"trotsky" <gmsingh [at] email.com> wrote in message
news:mvf9f.288312$084.119649 [at] attbi_s22...
> Derek Janssen wrote:
>> George Peatty (oo, nice crosspost, George, really know your groups!)
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 30 Oct 2005 10:49:18 -0800, "The Fool" <kands00 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Christian Celebrities don't have to be Christian, only appearing in a
>>>> Christian film. The same is true of most of the cast of Star Trek.
>>>> While they were Star Trek Celebrities, most dispised being called
>>>> Trekkies or being identified with that series. It didn't lessen their
>>>> status as Star Trek symbols, though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd like to hear you name names. Which Star Trek celebrities despised
>>> being
>>> identified with the series? I know Avery Brooks was no big fan, but I'd
>>> be
>>> surprised to learn he hated his involvement. Who are we talking about
>>> here?
>>
>>
>> Let's put it this way:
>> Could Denise Crosby get any *snottier*?
>>
>> Derek Janssen (Gates McFadden wasn't known to be a ray of sunshine,
>> either)
>
>
> Gay guys tend not to have too many nice things to say about women--unless
> they're Cher, of course.
That is a stereotype. Just because they don't want to have sex with them
doesn't mean they don't like them as friends, as artists, or in all the
other ways that people like other people. I've known a lot of gay men who
have an easier time befriending women then I do. I have to get passed my
lust to befriend an attractive woman.

Lincoln
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158460 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 06:03
Karl Johanson  
"Lincoln Spector" <Notreally [at] myemailaddress.com> wrote in message

>> Gay guys tend not to have too many nice things to say about
>> women--unless they're Cher, of course.

> That is a stereotype. Just because they don't want to have sex with
> them doesn't mean they don't like them as friends, as artists, or in
> all the other ways that people like other people. I've known a lot of
> gay men who have an easier time befriending women then I do. I have to
> get passed my lust to befriend an attractive woman.

I don't.

Karl Johanson
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158462 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 06:09
ToolPackinMama  
Lincoln Spector wrote:
> "trotsky" <gmsingh [at] email.com> wrote in message
> news:mvf9f.288312$084.119649 [at] attbi_s22...

>>Gay guys tend not to have too many nice things to say about women--unless
>>they're Cher, of course.
>
> That is a stereotype.

It sure is. Most of the Gay guys that I have ever known have at least a
few women that they admire and even worship. Most Gay guys I know of
have at least one or two trusted female friends. They have plenty of
nice things to say, about women, and to them.

Hundreds of Gay men have complimented me for one thing, or another. If
they had nothing nice to say, they wouldn't have spoken to me at all!

There are Gay men who fall in love, marry a woman, have kids with her,
and etc. There are lots of Gay fathers. That wouldn't be possible if
Gay men invariably hated women.

The Gay guys who hate women do exist, but they are a distinct minority.
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158471 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 06:31
Kees Boer  
"Lincoln Spector" <Notreally [at] myemailaddress.com> wrote in message
news:FMe9f.22731$6e1.7971 [at] newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>
> "Graham Kennedy" <graham [at] ditl.org> wrote in message
> news:Mdd9f.178$2D3.472 [at] news-1.opaltelecom.net...
>> Kees Boer wrote:
>>
>>> Most actors will never dish on their own shows or films. That would be
>>> like shooting yourself in the foot. The only time I've seen anything
>>> like this is when they become really huge celebrities outside of the
>>> franchise that made them big and they don't feel they need it anymore.
>>>
>>> The vast majority of actors/actresses that I've talked with, who played
>>> on Startrek seemed to have liked it.
>>
>> Why would we expect any actor to be a fan of the
>> thing they act in? Do we expect Jamie Lee Curtis
>> to love horror movies, or Pamela Anderson to be
>> a big Baywatch fan?
>>
>> If a Trek actor likes Trek that's fine, but it's not
>> a requirement. They're actors, it's their job to do
>> the best portrayal of a character they can. What
>> they are interested in on their own time is their
>> own business.
> But they very seldom publicly dis something they've been in. It's bad for
> their career.

That's exactly what I'm trying to say. It'd be like a salesperson telling
you that their product is bad.

Kees


>
> Lincoln
>
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158472 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 06:35
Kees Boer  
"ANIM8Rfsk" <ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net> wrote in message
news:BF8AA4DF.59FD5%ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net...
> in article u38am153n2tf0kshbodn53537k1oj4ng4g [at] 4ax.com, George Peatty at
> pttyg47-1230 [at] copper.net wrote on 10/30/05 12:37 PM:
>
>> On 30 Oct 2005 10:49:18 -0800, "The Fool" <kands00 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Christian Celebrities don't have to be Christian, only appearing in a
>>> Christian film. The same is true of most of the cast of Star Trek.
>>> While they were Star Trek Celebrities, most dispised being called
>>> Trekkies or being identified with that series. It didn't lessen their
>>> status as Star Trek symbols, though.
>>
>> I'd like to hear you name names. Which Star Trek celebrities despised
>> being
>> identified with the series? I know Avery Brooks was no big fan, but I'd
>> be
>> surprised to learn he hated his involvement. Who are we talking about
>> here?
>
> Actually I'd think any of the actors would object to being called a
> Trekkie,
> as Trekkie is an insulting term for a fan, and clearly doesn't refer to
> the
> actors at all unless they're also a dweebie fan as well, like maybe Will
> Wheaton or something....

Well, there is difference between being a Trekkie and liking the Startrek
show, or am I wrong here?

In general, they'll say that they love being part of the Startrek franchise
or whatever they work on.

Sometimes much later on, they'll tell you how they really feel. Or if you
get to know them real well. It's the same with most things in real life.

Kees


>
> --
>
> You Can't Stop the Signal
>
>
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158474 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 06:52
Marcovaldo  
"Kees Boer" <keesboer [at] integrity-computing.net> wrote in message
news:FBa9f.35077$OM4.2131 [at] dukeread06...
> Most actors will never dish on their own shows or films. That would be
> like shooting yourself in the foot. The only time I've seen anything like
> this is when they become really huge celebrities outside of the franchise
> that made them big and they don't feel they need it anymore.
>
> The vast majority of actors/actresses that I've talked with, who played on
> Startrek seemed to have liked it.
>
> Kees

You know, I was just talking to Tom Cruise the other day, and he was just
dissing all his movies, except for "Cocktail". He has a soft spot for that
one.

And Nicole Kidman, boy howdy, don't get her started on "Eyes Wide Shut".
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158477 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 06:55
Kees Boer  
that must have been a personal conversation.

Kees

"Marcovaldo" <Marcovaldo [at] worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:Lii9f.4917$qk4.1992 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> "Kees Boer" <keesboer [at] integrity-computing.net> wrote in message
> news:FBa9f.35077$OM4.2131 [at] dukeread06...
>> Most actors will never dish on their own shows or films. That would be
>> like shooting yourself in the foot. The only time I've seen anything like
>> this is when they become really huge celebrities outside of the franchise
>> that made them big and they don't feel they need it anymore.
>>
>> The vast majority of actors/actresses that I've talked with, who played
>> on Startrek seemed to have liked it.
>>
>> Kees
>
> You know, I was just talking to Tom Cruise the other day, and he was just
> dissing all his movies, except for "Cocktail". He has a soft spot for that
> one.
>
> And Nicole Kidman, boy howdy, don't get her started on "Eyes Wide Shut".
>
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158479 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 07:04
Derek Janssen  
ToolPackinMama wrote:
> Lincoln Spector wrote:
>
>> "trotsky" <gmsingh [at] email.com> wrote in message
>> news:mvf9f.288312$084.119649 [at] attbi_s22...
>
>
>>> Gay guys tend not to have too many nice things to say about
>>> women--unless they're Cher, of course.
>>
>> That is a stereotype.
>
> It sure is. Most of the Gay guys that I have ever known have at least a
> few women that they admire and even worship. Most Gay guys I know of
> have at least one or two trusted female friends. They have plenty of
> nice things to say, about women, and to them.
>
> There are Gay men who fall in love, and--

--Yo <football-ref wave>:
Whoa, hold it a sec, guys:

Time out on the pointless thread drift, it was just Trots trying to
throw Generic Content-Free Auto-Insult #327 out of the Old Book, 'kay?

Maybe that's new to the a.s and a.t.s.t people (and hey, whatever
happened to the "Prime Directive" ignore-all-crossposts thing, huh?),
but around here, he's been laughed off for years, and at least WE know
the difference.

We now return you to the previously ST-related thread about just what
*makes* ex-TNG actors so darn disgruntled in the first place.

Derek Janssen (or, at least, why you don't hear the male actors whining
all the time)
djanss [at] charter.net
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158503 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 09:03
glenzabr  
In article <vY99f.4112$Lv.2604 [at] newssvr24.news.prodigy.net>, "Kris Baker" <kris.baker [at] prodigyy.net> wrote:
>
>> On 30 Oct 2005 10:49:18 -0800, "The Fool" <kands00 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Christian Celebrities don't have to be Christian, only appearing in a
>>Christian film. The same is true of most of the cast of Star Trek.
>>While they were Star Trek Celebrities, most dispised being called
>>Trekkies or being identified with that series. It didn't lessen their
>>status as Star Trek symbols, though.
>
>This sounds suspiciously like Utah, where some of the more
>Fundamentalist Mormons still call Jews "Gentiles".
>
>Kris
Where the hell did you pull that little gem out of yer ass from?
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158507 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 09:26
Bo Raxo  
"GMAN" <glenzabr [at] xmission.com> wrote in message
news:dk4j9s$17q$1 [at] news.xmission.com...
> In article <vY99f.4112$Lv.2604 [at] newssvr24.news.prodigy.net>, "Kris Baker"
<kris.baker [at] prodigyy.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 30 Oct 2005 10:49:18 -0800, "The Fool" <kands00 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>Christian Celebrities don't have to be Christian, only appearing in a
> >>Christian film. The same is true of most of the cast of Star Trek.
> >>While they were Star Trek Celebrities, most dispised being called
> >>Trekkies or being identified with that series. It didn't lessen their
> >>status as Star Trek symbols, though.
> >
> >This sounds suspiciously like Utah, where some of the more
> >Fundamentalist Mormons still call Jews "Gentiles".
> >
> >Kris
> Where the hell did you pull that little gem out of yer ass from?

Well, apart from the fact that Kris lives in Utah, it's common for Mormons
to refer to *all* non-Mormons as gentiles. Which would include Jews.

So that gem was pulled from the well known practices of LDS members.
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158508 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 09:28
Bo Raxo  
"George Peatty" <pttyg47-1230 [at] copper.net> wrote in message
news:j5pam19jl70fsoklvb5m2evsmj5ked7ejc [at] 4ax.com...
> On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:22:52 -0500, Derek Janssen
> <djanss [at] nospam.charter.net> wrote:
>
> >Let's put it this way:
> >Could Denise Crosby get any *snottier*?
>
> You'll not convince me Crosby "hated" her involvement with Star Trek. She
> made at least three guest appearances after she "left" the series. An
actor
> who hates what he's doing doesn't do that ..

And she hosted Trekkies II

( if you haven't seen it, take my word for it, don't: pretty sucky )
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158509 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 09:41
glenzabr  
In article <kzk9f.3964$yX2.159 [at] newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "Bo Raxo" <invasions_r_us [at] thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote:
>
>"GMAN" <glenzabr [at] xmission.com> wrote in message
>news:dk4j9s$17q$1 [at] news.xmission.com...
>> In article <vY99f.4112$Lv.2604 [at] newssvr24.news.prodigy.net>, "Kris Baker"
><kris.baker [at] prodigyy.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 30 Oct 2005 10:49:18 -0800, "The Fool" <kands00 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>Christian Celebrities don't have to be Christian, only appearing in a
>> >>Christian film. The same is true of most of the cast of Star Trek.
>> >>While they were Star Trek Celebrities, most dispised being called
>> >>Trekkies or being identified with that series. It didn't lessen their
>> >>status as Star Trek symbols, though.
>> >
>> >This sounds suspiciously like Utah, where some of the more
>> >Fundamentalist Mormons still call Jews "Gentiles".
>> >
>> >Kris
>> Where the hell did you pull that little gem out of yer ass from?
>
>Well, apart from the fact that Kris lives in Utah, it's common for Mormons
>to refer to *all* non-Mormons as gentiles. Which would include Jews.
>
>So that gem was pulled from the well known practices of LDS members.
>
>


You have a bug up yer rear end about LDS members? What did they ever do to
you?
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158511 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 10:25
sdlitvin  
Kees Boer wrote:

> Most actors will never dish on their own shows or films. That would be like
> shooting yourself in the foot. The only time I've seen anything like this is
> when they become really huge celebrities outside of the franchise that made
> them big and they don't feel they need it anymore.
>
> The vast majority of actors/actresses that I've talked with, who played on
> Startrek seemed to have liked it.

I remember reading somewhere that Wil Wheaton didn't want to be
associated with Star Trek anymore, and that's why he left the show.


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Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158512 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 10:40
Bo Raxo  
"GMAN" <glenzabr [at] xmission.com> wrote in message
news:dk4lg5$25b$4 [at] news.xmission.com...
> In article <kzk9f.3964$yX2.159 [at] newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "Bo
Raxo" <invasions_r_us [at] thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote:
> >
> >"GMAN" <glenzabr [at] xmission.com> wrote in message
> >news:dk4j9s$17q$1 [at] news.xmission.com...
> >> In article <vY99f.4112$Lv.2604 [at] newssvr24.news.prodigy.net>, "Kris
Baker"
> ><kris.baker [at] prodigyy.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 30 Oct 2005 10:49:18 -0800, "The Fool" <kands00 [at] hotmail.com>
wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>Christian Celebrities don't have to be Christian, only appearing in a
> >> >>Christian film. The same is true of most of the cast of Star Trek.
> >> >>While they were Star Trek Celebrities, most dispised being called
> >> >>Trekkies or being identified with that series. It didn't lessen
their
> >> >>status as Star Trek symbols, though.
> >> >
> >> >This sounds suspiciously like Utah, where some of the more
> >> >Fundamentalist Mormons still call Jews "Gentiles".
> >> >
> >> >Kris
> >> Where the hell did you pull that little gem out of yer ass from?
> >
> >Well, apart from the fact that Kris lives in Utah, it's common for
Mormons
> >to refer to *all* non-Mormons as gentiles. Which would include Jews.
> >
> >So that gem was pulled from the well known practices of LDS members.
> >
> >
>
>
> You have a bug up yer rear end about LDS members? What did they ever do to
> you?
>

No, I was just pointing out a fact you didn't know. And using your own
"gem" phrase because it was a way to point out that you're being an asshole
about something you don't know about.

But enough about me, let's talk about you. You keep going back to talking
about the butt, over and over. Why are you so butt obsessed? Are there some
issues you're having trouble with? Or is it just that you're a case of
arrested development, with the emotional makeup of someone in, oh, about
their early teens?

Really, why the obsession? Do you ever read a Usenet post without thinking
about the poster's butt?


Bo Raxo
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158513 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 10:47
The Merry Piper  
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:25:02 GMT, "Steven L."
<sdlitvin [at] earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:

>I remember reading somewhere that Wil Wheaton didn't want to be
>associated with Star Trek anymore, and that's why he left the show.

According to his website, which I acknowledge is only one side of the
story, he left the series because he felt ST was hindering his film
career.

Here is a quote from his very own FAQ: "Here's the absolute truth why
I left Star Trek. I left Star Trek because it was seriously
interfering with my career in feature films. I was in a situation
where I was constantly having to pass on really good movie roles
because I was on the series."

Here is the link if you wish to verify:
http://wilwheaton.net/faq.php

--
The Merry Piper
[http://tmpiper.livejournal.com]
If you want to dance, you'll have to pay ... me!
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158515 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 12:21
trotsky  
Derek Janssen wrote:

> ToolPackinMama wrote:
>
>> Lincoln Spector wrote:
>>
>>> "trotsky" <gmsingh [at] email.com> wrote in message
>>> news:mvf9f.288312$084.119649 [at] attbi_s22...
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Gay guys tend not to have too many nice things to say about
>>>> women--unless they're Cher, of course.
>>>
>>>
>>> That is a stereotype.
>>
>>
>> It sure is. Most of the Gay guys that I have ever known have at least
>> a few women that they admire and even worship. Most Gay guys I know
>> of have at least one or two trusted female friends. They have plenty
>> of nice things to say, about women, and to them.
>>
>> There are Gay men who fall in love, and--
>
>
> --Yo <football-ref wave>:
> Whoa, hold it a sec, guys:
>
> Time out on the pointless thread drift, it was just Trots trying to
> throw Generic Content-Free Auto-Insult #327 out of the Old Book, 'kay?


Oh, right--the fact that you're gay or at least highly metrosexual
doesn't enter into it at all.

"I am Derek, Usenet automaton, I have no human biases or emotions at
all, but for some reason I have a hard-on for imaginary movie studio
press releases."

That about sums it up, don't you think?
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158516 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 12:27
trotsky  
Lincoln Spector wrote:

> "trotsky" <gmsingh [at] email.com> wrote in message
> news:mvf9f.288312$084.119649 [at] attbi_s22...
>
>>Derek Janssen wrote:
>>
>>>George Peatty (oo, nice crosspost, George, really know your groups!)
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On 30 Oct 2005 10:49:18 -0800, "The Fool" <kands00 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Christian Celebrities don't have to be Christian, only appearing in a
>>>>>Christian film. The same is true of most of the cast of Star Trek.
>>>>>While they were Star Trek Celebrities, most dispised being called
>>>>>Trekkies or being identified with that series. It didn't lessen their
>>>>>status as Star Trek symbols, though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'd like to hear you name names. Which Star Trek celebrities despised
>>>>being
>>>>identified with the series? I know Avery Brooks was no big fan, but I'd
>>>>be
>>>>surprised to learn he hated his involvement. Who are we talking about
>>>>here?
>>>
>>>
>>>Let's put it this way:
>>>Could Denise Crosby get any *snottier*?
>>>
>>>Derek Janssen (Gates McFadden wasn't known to be a ray of sunshine,
>>>either)
>>
>>
>>Gay guys tend not to have too many nice things to say about women--unless
>>they're Cher, of course.
>
> That is a stereotype. Just because they don't want to have sex with them
> doesn't mean they don't like them as friends, as artists, or in all the
> other ways that people like other people. I've known a lot of gay men who
> have an easier time befriending women then I do. I have to get passed my
> lust to befriend an attractive woman.


I'm sure Derek has lots of female friends. That doesn't mean he doesn't
harbor some deep inner resentment of them from his days as a kid when
his mom used to make him wear her clothes as part of their dress up
games, or some shit like that. If you think about it logically, which
shouldn't be much of a stretch on a thread talking about Star Trek, why
the fuck would he single out Denise Crosby or Gate McFadden when you
have LeVar Burton or the much maligned Wil Wheaton to choose from? This
isn't some shit that just comes out of left field, this is a case where
a show that has more male characters than female characters on it has to
have the female characters singled out by the guy because of
"snottiness" or "not being a ray of sunshine". If you have a better
explanation I'm all ears, but I'm pretty sure you don't.
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158517 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 12:30
trotsky  
ToolPackinMama wrote:

> Lincoln Spector wrote:
>
>> "trotsky" <gmsingh [at] email.com> wrote in message
>> news:mvf9f.288312$084.119649 [at] attbi_s22...
>
>
>>> Gay guys tend not to have too many nice things to say about
>>> women--unless they're Cher, of course.
>>
>>
>> That is a stereotype.
>
>
> It sure is. Most of the Gay guys that I have ever known have at least a
> few women that they admire and even worship. Most Gay guys I know of
> have at least one or two trusted female friends. They have plenty of
> nice things to say, about women, and to them.
>
> Hundreds of Gay men have complimented me for one thing, or another. If
> they had nothing nice to say, they wouldn't have spoken to me at all!
>
> There are Gay men who fall in love, marry a woman, have kids with her,
> and etc. There are lots of Gay fathers. That wouldn't be possible if
> Gay men invariably hated women.
>
> The Gay guys who hate women do exist, but they are a distinct minority.


Fag haggery duly noted.
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #158519 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 12:55
Loretty  
"trotsky" <gmsingh [at] email.com> wrote in message
news:mvf9f.288312$084.119649 [at] attbi_s22...
> Derek Janssen wrote:
>> George Peatty (oo, nice crosspost, George, really know your groups!)
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 30 Oct 2005 10:49:18 -0800, "The Fool" <kands00 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Christian Celebrities don't have to be Christian, only appearing in a
>>>> Christian film. The same is true of most of the cast of Star Trek.
>>>> While they were Star Trek Celebrities, most dispised being called
>>>> Trekkies or being identified with that series. It didn't lessen their
>>>> status as Star Trek symbols, though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd like to hear you name names. Which Star Trek celebrities despised
>>> being
>>> identified with the series? I know Avery Brooks was no big fan, but I'd
>>> be
>>> surprised to learn he hated his involvement. Who are we talking about
>>> here?
>>
>>
>> Let's put it this way:
>> Could Denise Crosby get any *snottier*?
>>
>> Derek Janssen (Gates McFadden wasn't known to be a ray of sunshine,
>> either)
>
>
> Gay guys tend not to have too many nice things to say about women--unless
> they're Cher, of course.

BULLSHIT!
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #159961 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 15:00
Marcovaldo  
"The Merry Piper" <merry_piper_YOUR [at] COATyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:krpbm193atrrj3mjc1j9apj8ud5jot7s8n [at] 4ax.com...
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:25:02 GMT, "Steven L."
> <sdlitvin [at] earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
>
>>I remember reading somewhere that Wil Wheaton didn't want to be
>>associated with Star Trek anymore, and that's why he left the show.
>
> According to his website, which I acknowledge is only one side of the
> story, he left the series because he felt ST was hindering his film
> career.
>
> Here is a quote from his very own FAQ: "Here's the absolute truth why
> I left Star Trek. I left Star Trek because it was seriously
> interfering with my career in feature films. I was in a situation
> where I was constantly having to pass on really good movie roles
> because I was on the series."

Ah yes, all those roles that went to Tom Cruise because Wheaton wasn't
available.
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #159968 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 17:27
ANIM8Rfsk  
in article s7d9f.38954$RG4.10575 [at] fe05.lga, Derek Janssen at
djanss [at] nospam.charter.net wrote on 10/30/05 5:06 PM:

> ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
>>
>>>> I'd like to hear you name names. Which Star Trek celebrities despised
>>>> being
>>>> identified with the series? I know Avery Brooks was no big fan, but I'd be
>>>> surprised to learn he hated his involvement. Who are we talking about
>>>> here?
>>>
>>> Let's put it this way:
>>> Could Denise Crosby get any *snottier*?
>>>
>>> (Gates McFadden wasn't known to be a ray of sunshine, either)
>>
>> But at least Gates couldn't act, and wasn't very attractive.
>
> And keeping in mind her directing job on the "Geneses" episode...it was
> a triple-threat. -_-
>
> Derek Janssen (sorry I had to mention that one, a.s <shudder!>)
> djanss [at] charter.net

Yeah, that's an excellent point. I'd blocked that out. It might not be the
single worst episode of TNG, but boy, it's a contender.

--

You Can't Stop the Signal
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #159970 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 17:28
ANIM8Rfsk  
in article j5pam19jl70fsoklvb5m2evsmj5ked7ejc [at] 4ax.com, George Peatty at
pttyg47-1230 [at] copper.net wrote on 10/30/05 5:27 PM:

> On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:22:52 -0500, Derek Janssen
> <djanss [at] nospam.charter.net> wrote:
>
>> Let's put it this way:
>> Could Denise Crosby get any *snottier*?
>
> You'll not convince me Crosby "hated" her involvement with Star Trek. She
> made at least three guest appearances after she "left" the series. An actor
> who hates what he's doing doesn't do that ..

Unless they need to pay the rent.

--

You Can't Stop the Signal
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #159971 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 17:30
ANIM8Rfsk  
in article Q2i9f.35858$OM4.23779 [at] dukeread06, Kees Boer at
keesboer [at] integrity-computing.net wrote on 10/30/05 10:35 PM:

>
> "ANIM8Rfsk" <ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net> wrote in message
> news:BF8AA4DF.59FD5%ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net...
>> in article u38am153n2tf0kshbodn53537k1oj4ng4g [at] 4ax.com, George Peatty at
>> pttyg47-1230 [at] copper.net wrote on 10/30/05 12:37 PM:
>>
>>> On 30 Oct 2005 10:49:18 -0800, "The Fool" <kands00 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Christian Celebrities don't have to be Christian, only appearing in a
>>>> Christian film. The same is true of most of the cast of Star Trek.
>>>> While they were Star Trek Celebrities, most dispised being called
>>>> Trekkies or being identified with that series. It didn't lessen their
>>>> status as Star Trek symbols, though.
>>>
>>> I'd like to hear you name names. Which Star Trek celebrities despised
>>> being
>>> identified with the series? I know Avery Brooks was no big fan, but I'd
>>> be
>>> surprised to learn he hated his involvement. Who are we talking about
>>> here?
>>
>> Actually I'd think any of the actors would object to being called a
>> Trekkie,
>> as Trekkie is an insulting term for a fan, and clearly doesn't refer to
>> the
>> actors at all unless they're also a dweebie fan as well, like maybe Will
>> Wheaton or something....
>
> Well, there is difference between being a Trekkie and liking the Startrek
> show, or am I wrong here?

You are correct sir.
>
> In general, they'll say that they love being part of the Startrek franchise
> or whatever they work on.
>
> Sometimes much later on, they'll tell you how they really feel. Or if you
> get to know them real well. It's the same with most things in real life.
>

Sure

> Kees
>
>
>>
>> --
>>
>> You Can't Stop the Signal
>>
>>
>
>

--

You Can't Stop the Signal
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #159972 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 17:30
ANIM8Rfsk  
in article Lii9f.4917$qk4.1992 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net,
Marcovaldo at Marcovaldo [at] worldnet.att.net wrote on 10/30/05 10:52 PM:

> "Kees Boer" <keesboer [at] integrity-computing.net> wrote in message
> news:FBa9f.35077$OM4.2131 [at] dukeread06...
>> Most actors will never dish on their own shows or films. That would be
>> like shooting yourself in the foot. The only time I've seen anything like
>> this is when they become really huge celebrities outside of the franchise
>> that made them big and they don't feel they need it anymore.
>>
>> The vast majority of actors/actresses that I've talked with, who played on
>> Startrek seemed to have liked it.
>>
>> Kees
>
> You know, I was just talking to Tom Cruise the other day, and he was just
> dissing all his movies, except for "Cocktail". He has a soft spot for that
> one.

And for most women.

>
> And Nicole Kidman, boy howdy, don't get her started on "Eyes Wide Shut".
>
>

--

You Can't Stop the Signal
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #159974 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 17:37
ANIM8Rfsk  
in article _rp9f.6500$qk4.2720 [at] bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net,
Marcovaldo at Marcovaldo [at] worldnet.att.net wrote on 10/31/05 7:00 AM:

> "The Merry Piper" <merry_piper_YOUR [at] COATyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:krpbm193atrrj3mjc1j9apj8ud5jot7s8n [at] 4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:25:02 GMT, "Steven L."
>> <sdlitvin [at] earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I remember reading somewhere that Wil Wheaton didn't want to be
>>> associated with Star Trek anymore, and that's why he left the show.
>>
>> According to his website, which I acknowledge is only one side of the
>> story, he left the series because he felt ST was hindering his film
>> career.
>>
>> Here is a quote from his very own FAQ: "Here's the absolute truth why
>> I left Star Trek. I left Star Trek because it was seriously
>> interfering with my career in feature films. I was in a situation
>> where I was constantly having to pass on really good movie roles
>> because I was on the series."
>
> Ah yes, all those roles that went to Tom Cruise because Wheaton wasn't
> available.
>
>
At least as soon as Will left TNG, he did all those really great movies that
were still waiting for him.

--

You Can't Stop the Signal
Re: News of Christian Celebrities [message #159980 ] Mo, 31 Oktober 2005 19:26
Bozo the Evil Klown  
George Peatty wrote:
> On 30 Oct 2005 10:49:18 -0800, "The Fool" <kands00 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Christian Celebrities don't have to be Christian, only appearing in a
> >Christian film. The same is true of most of the cast of Star Trek.
> >While they were Star Trek Celebrities, most dispised being called
> >Trekkies or being identified with that series. It didn't lessen their
> >status as Star Trek symbols, though.
>
> I'd like to hear you name names. Which Star Trek celebrities despised being
> identified with the series? I know Avery Brooks was no big fan, but I'd be
> surprised to learn he hated his involvement. Who are we talking about here?
>


Early on when DS9 was in production I think Brooks said once that he
didn't become an actor to go to conventions and such, but I'm pretty
sure he's been to some since then. Wil Wheaton reportedly despised how
he was treated by the current Powers That Be and decided to opt out,
but AFAIK hasn't dissed the franchise itself. Denise Crosby opted out
because she felt the ensemble cast was too big for Tasha Yar to get
much development, but her involvement since would tend to argue against
her "hating" Trek.

Given the fan passion for Trek, it might be the typecasting that upsets
many actors, since that's a genuine career impediment.

*****

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