| This movie made Darth Vader look like a pussy [message #156249] |
Fr, 28 Oktober 2005 04:19 |
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Oooh, big bad Anakin killed a bunch of "younglings" and unaramed diplomats,
then gets his ass handed to him the first time he faces a real Jedi (I can
only imagine how quickly Yoda would have finished him off).
Lucas wrote this all wrong. He should have had Anakin beating Obi Wan on
Mustafar, THEN have Amidala show up (as opposed to her just appearing right
away). Anakin gets distracted, and Obi Wan gives him his lava bath.
Unfortunately this section (heck, the whole trilogy) suffers from this poor
writing.
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| Re: This movie made Darth Vader look like a pussy [message #156254 ] |
Fr, 28 Oktober 2005 06:30 |
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That works for me.
One definately would assume that Anakin had power beyond Obi-wan's.
After all Obi-wan couldn't beat Dooku out of the two times they fought.
The first time even with help from Anakin. Shame Dooku ran like Forrest
before Yoda could take him out.
Anakin finished him off on his own on the occasion of their second
fight.
So it seems Dooku was stronger than Obi-wan, and Anakin was stronger
than Dooku.
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| Re: This movie made Darth Vader look like a pussy [message #158524 ] |
Fr, 28 Oktober 2005 17:49 |
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_Admiral Captain_ spoke thusly:
> Oooh, big bad Anakin killed a bunch of "younglings" and unaramed diplomats,
> then gets his ass handed to him the first time he faces a real Jedi (I can
> only imagine how quickly Yoda would have finished him off).
I'm sure the temple had more than just younglings. As a matter of fact
here's a pic:
http://ilias.ca/SW/01276.jpg
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usenetsolon [at] gmail.com
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| Re: This movie made Darth Vader look like a pussy [message #158537 ] |
Fr, 28 Oktober 2005 23:31 |
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On 27 Oct 2005 21:30:43 -0700, "atomic" <stereobahbah [at] optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
>That works for me.
>
>One definately would assume that Anakin had power beyond Obi-wan's.
>
>After all Obi-wan couldn't beat Dooku out of the two times they fought.
>The first time even with help from Anakin. Shame Dooku ran like Forrest
>before Yoda could take him out.
>
>Anakin finished him off on his own on the occasion of their second
>fight.
>
>So it seems Dooku was stronger than Obi-wan, and Anakin was stronger
>than Dooku.
Dooku intimidated Obi-wan, Dooku made Obi-Wan his bitch real easy
because of the verbal conditioning during their first confrontation.
"Master Kenobi you disappoint me".
"surely you can do better".
Then he defeated Kenobi which made the second time around even easier
for Dooku, both times Kenobi was saved by Anakin.
Had kenobi not been so easily intimidated the fight(s) probably would
not have gone so well for Dooku, remembering back to the Maul fight
Kenobi fought much better even though technically he was defeated for
the most part he put up a much better fight and won in the end.
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"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."--Edmund Burke
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| Re: This movie made Darth Vader look like a pussy [message #158541 ] |
Sa, 29 Oktober 2005 02:35 |
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"James Riske" <james_riske [at] h0tmail.com> wrote in message
news:ei55m1tsahqu3kdsi0qjt2lljggg3vsoda [at] 4ax.com...
> On 27 Oct 2005 21:30:43 -0700, "atomic" <stereobahbah [at] optusnet.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> >That works for me.
> >
> >One definately would assume that Anakin had power beyond Obi-wan's.
> >
> >After all Obi-wan couldn't beat Dooku out of the two times they fought.
> >The first time even with help from Anakin. Shame Dooku ran like Forrest
> >before Yoda could take him out.
> >
> >Anakin finished him off on his own on the occasion of their second
> >fight.
> >
> >So it seems Dooku was stronger than Obi-wan, and Anakin was stronger
> >than Dooku.
>
> Dooku intimidated Obi-wan, Dooku made Obi-Wan his bitch real easy
> because of the verbal conditioning during their first confrontation.
> "Master Kenobi you disappoint me".
> "surely you can do better".
> Then he defeated Kenobi which made the second time around even easier
> for Dooku, both times Kenobi was saved by Anakin.
> Had kenobi not been so easily intimidated the fight(s) probably would
> not have gone so well for Dooku, remembering back to the Maul fight
> Kenobi fought much better even though technically he was defeated for
> the most part he put up a much better fight and won in the end.
>
I also believe that Ben was aware that Anakin had begun his fall. Qui-Gon
probably drilled into Ben the numerous ways one might fall. To top it off,
he may have realized how much anger he felt against Maul during that whole
drama. I would think Ben was well aware that he could fall very easily. And
he was right. With the Sith presence all around, he could have turned if he
wasn't mindful. Unfortunately, it was almost his undoing. This is all MY
OPINION. Just want to make that clear.
Tom
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| Re: This movie made Darth Vader look like a pussy [message #158542 ] |
Sa, 29 Oktober 2005 02:46 |
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"Admiral Captain" <l [at] home.com> wrote in message
news:fVf8f.12681$3A4.10509 [at] news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
> Oooh, big bad Anakin killed a bunch of "younglings" and unaramed
> diplomats, then gets his ass handed to him the first time he faces a real
> Jedi (I can only imagine how quickly Yoda would have finished him off).
>
> Lucas wrote this all wrong. He should have had Anakin beating Obi Wan on
> Mustafar, THEN have Amidala show up (as opposed to her just appearing
> right away). Anakin gets distracted, and Obi Wan gives him his lava bath.
>
I think the point was Anakin lost because of arrogance.
DKM
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| Re: This movie made Darth Vader look like a pussy [message #158543 ] |
Sa, 29 Oktober 2005 02:51 |
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"atomic" <stereobahbah [at] optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:1130473843.685400.123500 [at] g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> That works for me.
>
> One definately would assume that Anakin had power beyond Obi-wan's.
>
> After all Obi-wan couldn't beat Dooku out of the two times they fought.
> The first time even with help from Anakin. Shame Dooku ran like Forrest
> before Yoda could take him out.
>
> Anakin finished him off on his own on the occasion of their second
> fight.
>
> So it seems Dooku was stronger than Obi-wan, and Anakin was stronger
> than Dooku.
I have seen that several times IRL in various martial arts tournaments. "A"
gets beat by "B", "B" loses to "C", "A" beats "C".
Obi-Wan and Anakin knew each other very well which is why they were
stalemated for much of their battle. It wasn't until one made a critical
error that there was a victor.
DKM
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| Re: This movie made Darth Vader look like a pussy [message #158559 ] |
Sa, 29 Oktober 2005 20:51 |
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"Tom" <moondok [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Gsz8f.11761$Ix3.9538 [at] dukeread05...
> "James Riske" <james_riske [at] h0tmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ei55m1tsahqu3kdsi0qjt2lljggg3vsoda [at] 4ax.com...
> > On 27 Oct 2005 21:30:43 -0700, "atomic" <stereobahbah [at] optusnet.com.au>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >That works for me.
> > >
> > >One definately would assume that Anakin had power beyond Obi-wan's.
> > >
> > >After all Obi-wan couldn't beat Dooku out of the two times they fought.
> > >The first time even with help from Anakin. Shame Dooku ran like Forrest
> > >before Yoda could take him out.
> > >
> > >Anakin finished him off on his own on the occasion of their second
> > >fight.
> > >
> > >So it seems Dooku was stronger than Obi-wan, and Anakin was stronger
> > >than Dooku.
> >
> > Dooku intimidated Obi-wan, Dooku made Obi-Wan his bitch real easy
> > because of the verbal conditioning during their first confrontation.
> > "Master Kenobi you disappoint me".
> > "surely you can do better".
> > Then he defeated Kenobi which made the second time around even easier
> > for Dooku, both times Kenobi was saved by Anakin.
> > Had kenobi not been so easily intimidated the fight(s) probably would
> > not have gone so well for Dooku, remembering back to the Maul fight
> > Kenobi fought much better even though technically he was defeated for
> > the most part he put up a much better fight and won in the end.
> >
> I also believe that Ben was aware that Anakin had begun his fall. Qui-Gon
> probably drilled into Ben the numerous ways one might fall. To top it off,
> he may have realized how much anger he felt against Maul during that whole
> drama. I would think Ben was well aware that he could fall very easily.
And
> he was right. With the Sith presence all around, he could have turned if
he
> wasn't mindful. Unfortunately, it was almost his undoing. This is all MY
> OPINION. Just want to make that clear.
>
> Tom
I pulled this from the databank under Darth Maul, expanded universe.
"When the Jedi became separated, Maul killed Qui-Gon with a well-placed
saber strike. Kenobi, enraged, attacked Maul. This barrage was deflected by
Maul who used Obi-Wan's touching of the dark side as a conduit for a Force
attack; using the Force, Maul pushed Obi-Wan into a deep mining pit. Kenobi
held onto an outcropping for dear life. Calming himself by calling upon the
light side of the Force, Kenobi was able to surprise Maul, and cleave him in
half with his saber."
http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/darthmaul/index.h tml
Apparently my ramblings were right. Ben touched the Dark Side.
Tom
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