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| Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism, gallantry,and faithful fulfillment of d [message #1552] |
Mo, 18 April 2005 17:40 |
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FYI, FWIW...From Court Martial:
Defense Atty Cogley: I'd like to call Captain Kirk to the stand.
Computer: James T. Kirk, serial number SC-937-0176-CEC. Service rank--
captain. Position-- Starship command. Current assignment-- U.S.S.
Enterprise. Commendations-- Palm Leaf Of Axinar Peace Mission,
Grand Kite Order of Tactics - Class of Excellence, Frenterus Ribbon of
Commendation - Classes first and second--
Prosecutor Areel Shaw: May it please the court.
Judge: Court recognizes counsel for the prosecution.
Prosecutor Areel Shaw: The prosecution concedes the inestimable record
of Captain Kirk.
Judge: Mr. Cogley?
Defense Atty Cogley: I wouldn't want to slow the wheels of progress.
But then on the other hand,
I wouldn't want those wheels to run over my client in their unbridled haste.
Judge: Continue.
Computer: Awards of valor-- medal of honor, silverpalm with cluster,
Starfleet citation for conspicuous gallantry, - Carragite Order of Heroism--
Defense Atty Cogley: Stop! I think that's enough. I wouldn't want to
slow things up too much.
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In ST3: SFS, a top SF administrator calls Kirk his "best officer"
See link:
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/st3sfs.html
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In ST5, SF command would rather send Kirk with a barely functional
Enterprise, that to send a ship in perfect condition with a
less-experienced and trustworthy Captain.
SF Top Dog: "I need Jim Kirk."
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism,gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1553 ] |
Mo, 18 April 2005 17:57 |
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> In ST3: SFS, a top SF administrator calls Kirk his "best officer"
>
> See link:
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> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/st3sfs.html
Note: that happened AFTER the events depicted in Court Martial, and
Amok Time.
> In ST5, SF command would rather send Kirk with a barely functional
> Enterprise, that to send a ship in perfect condition with a
> less-experienced and trustworthy Captain.
>
> SF Top Dog: "I need Jim Kirk."
Note: That happened AFTER the events depicted in ST3, and ST4.
This shows that Kirk's reputation with Starfleet of being heroic,
capable, and dependable is persistent. They continued to depend on him
with confidence to complete the toughest missions, throughout his career.
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism,gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1555 ] |
Mo, 18 April 2005 18:08 |
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> Computer: Awards of valor-- medal of honor, silverpalm with cluster,
> Starfleet citation for conspicuous gallantry, - Carragite Order of
> Heroism--
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> Defense Atty Cogley: Stop! I think that's enough. I wouldn't want to
> slow things up too much.
Implying, I'm sure, that there was MORE. Cogley could have let the
computer drone on and on a lot longer, but opted to move along at that
point.
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism, gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1556 ] |
Mo, 18 April 2005 18:11 |
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 11:57:20 -0400, ToolPackinMama
<laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote:
>This shows that Kirk's reputation with Starfleet of being heroic,
>capable, and dependable is persistent. They continued to depend on him
>with confidence to complete the toughest missions, throughout his career.
All the TREK Captains were good, maybe even great, but only James T.
Kirk was legendary.
--
The Merry Piper
[http://tmpiper.livejournal.com]
If you want to dance, you'll have to pay ... me!
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism,gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1561 ] |
Mo, 18 April 2005 20:39 |
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The Merry Piper wrote:
> All the TREK Captains were good, maybe even great, but only James T.
> Kirk was legendary.
::nods:: Yep.
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism,gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1562 ] |
Mo, 18 April 2005 20:45 |
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The Merry Piper wrote:
> All the TREK Captains were good, maybe even great, but only James T.
> Kirk was legendary.
In DS9's wonderful Trials And Tribblations, it's mentioned that Kirk was
cited post-mortum for "temporal violations". Of course, while Kirk was
alive those "violations" were not illegal.
In the same episode it's made obvious that DS9's Captain Sisko idolizes
Captain kirk: That Kirk is in fact one of Sisko's personal heroes. It's
plainly the thrill of Captain Sisko's life when he actually gets to meet
and talk with the famous Captain Kirk.
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established reputation.... [message #1563 ] |
Mo, 18 April 2005 21:00 |
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ToolPackinMama wrote:
> In DS9's wonderful Trials And Tribblations, it's mentioned that Kirk was
> cited post-mortum for "temporal violations". Of course, while Kirk was
> alive those "violations" were not illegal.
>
> In the same episode it's made obvious that DS9's Captain Sisko idolizes
> Captain kirk: That Kirk is in fact one of Sisko's personal heroes. It's
> plainly the thrill of Captain Sisko's life when he actually gets to meet
> and talk with the famous Captain Kirk.
BTW, FWIW, FYI, that scene adds weight to the assertion that Kirk is
Gay, since he checks Sisko out a flirty, sidelong glance.
That appeared in a regular Trek series, in a properly aired regular
episode, so yes, it's canon.
Don't think Kirk would really openly, obviously cruise a handsome black
man? Well, he would. The first time we saw him do it was in Enemy
Within. To be specific:
Kirk2 (AKA beast Kirk) appears in the transporter room after Kirk one
has exited with Mr. Scott. He is accosted by Scotty's little helper, a
handsome young black fella, who shows concern and asks if Kirk needs
help. HELL NO! This guy needs no help! And he doesn't need to be shown
the way out! And he's in no mood for conversation! He refuses to speak
to the kid, and marches himself toward the exit.
At the door, he pauses, and looks back, and looks the kid alllll up and
down, and smiles a very weird smile.
[NOTE: Yes, he really does do that.]
So you see, the DS9 Kirk/Sisko flirt is not an oddity. It's definitely
a pattern of behavior with Jim Kirk.
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism,gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1577 ] |
Di, 19 April 2005 01:52 |
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ToolPackinMama wrote:
>> In ST3: SFS, a top SF administrator calls Kirk his "best officer"
>>
>> See link:
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>> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/st3sfs.html
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>
> Note: that happened AFTER the events depicted in Court Martial, and
> Amok Time.
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>> In ST5, SF command would rather send Kirk with a barely functional
>> Enterprise, that to send a ship in perfect condition with a
>> less-experienced and trustworthy Captain.
>>
>> SF Top Dog: "I need Jim Kirk."
>
>
> Note: That happened AFTER the events depicted in ST3, and ST4.
>
> This shows that Kirk's reputation with Starfleet of being heroic,
> capable, and dependable is persistent. They continued to depend on him
> with confidence to complete the toughest missions, throughout his career.
But wait, there's more, in the episode "Court Martial":
When StarFleet began to think that maybe Kirk had screwed up and caused
Finney's death, they offered to rotate him to a ground assignment and
sweep the whole incident under the rug.
Kirk refused the deal and insisted on a court martial even though he
might be convicted. He showed himself to have more integrity than some
of his superiors.
And that was the first time we saw an ugly side to Starfleet Command.
--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email: sdlitvin [at] earthlinkNOSPAM.net
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism,gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1578 ] |
Di, 19 April 2005 02:22 |
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Steven L. wrote:
> But wait, there's more, in the episode "Court Martial":
> When StarFleet began to think that maybe Kirk had screwed up and caused
> Finney's death, they offered to rotate him to a ground assignment and
> sweep the whole incident under the rug.
>
> Kirk refused the deal and insisted on a court martial even though he
> might be convicted. He showed himself to have more integrity than some
> of his superiors.
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> And that was the first time we saw an ugly side to Starfleet Command.
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>
Thank you for your contribution.
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established reputation.... [message #1579 ] |
Di, 19 April 2005 02:49 |
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, ToolPackinMama wrote:
> BTW, FWIW, FYI, that scene adds weight to the assertion that Kirk is Gay,
> since he checks Sisko out a flirty, sidelong glance.
>
> That appeared in a regular Trek series, in a properly aired regular episode,
> so yes, it's canon.
Sorry to say, but that scene was pulled out of "Mirror, Mirror".
Kirk was really checking out Lt. Marlena Morreau (sp?). With
digital/computer trickery, Sisko was inserted into the scene instead of
Marlena.
That scene did not ring true
when I saw (IOW, they tampered
with the original too much),
Robert Bernardo
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established reputation.... [message #1580 ] |
Di, 19 April 2005 02:56 |
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Robert Bernardo wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, ToolPackinMama wrote:
>
>> BTW, FWIW, FYI, that scene adds weight to the assertion that Kirk is
>> Gay, since he checks Sisko out a flirty, sidelong glance.
>>
>> That appeared in a regular Trek series, in a properly aired regular
>> episode, so yes, it's canon.
>
>
> Sorry to say, but that scene was pulled out of "Mirror, Mirror".
> Kirk was really checking out Lt. Marlena Morreau (sp?). With
> digital/computer trickery, Sisko was inserted into the scene instead of
> Marlena.
Doesn't matter. The way it's shown is canon, and BTW so is the scene
from EW that I mentioned.
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism,gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1581 ] |
Di, 19 April 2005 05:11 |
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ToolPackinMama wrote:
> Steven L. wrote:
>
>> But wait, there's more, in the episode "Court Martial":
>> When StarFleet began to think that maybe Kirk had screwed up and
>> caused Finney's death, they offered to rotate him to a ground
>> assignment and sweep the whole incident under the rug.
>>
>> Kirk refused the deal and insisted on a court martial even though he
>> might be convicted. He showed himself to have more integrity than
>> some of his superiors.
>>
>> And that was the first time we saw an ugly side to Starfleet Command.
>>
>>
>
> Thank you for your contribution.
If you need to refresh your memory, here's the dialogue. It's quite
revealing:
[Adm. Stone] Captain Kirk,
you say you jettisoned the pod after the red alert?
You have my sworn deposition.
Then, Captain, I must presume
you've committed willful perjury.
This extract from your computer log says you jettisoned the pod
before going to red alert....
Now, look,Jim.
Not one man in a million
could do what you and I have done-- command a starship.
A hundred decisions a day,
hundreds of lives staked on you making every one of them right.
You're played out,Jim.
[Kirk] - Exhausted. - Is that the way you see it?
[Stone] That's the way my report'll read if you cooperate.
[Kirk] Physical breakdown, possibly even mental collapse?
[Stone] - Possibly.
[Kirk] - I'd be admitting that a man died--
[Stone] Admit nothing. Say nothing.
Let me bury the matter here and now.
No starship captain has ever stood trial before,
and I don't want you to be the first.
[Kirk] But if what you suspect is true, then I should be punished.
[Stone] I'm thinking of the service. I won't have it smeared....
I'm telling you, Captain,
either you accept a permanent ground assignment,
or the whole disciplinary weight of Starfleet command
is gonna light right on your neck.
[Kirk] So that's the way we do it now? Sweep it under the rug, and me
along with it?
Not on your life. I intend to fight.
[Stone] Then you draw a general court.
[Kirk] Draw it? I demand it. And right now, Commodore Stone. Right now.
--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email: sdlitvin [at] earthlinkNOSPAM.net
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism,gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1582 ] |
Di, 19 April 2005 05:19 |
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Steven L. wrote:
> [Kirk] So that's the way we do it now? Sweep it under the rug, and me
> along with it?
> Not on your life. I intend to fight.
> [Stone] Then you draw a general court.
> [Kirk] Draw it? I demand it. And right now, Commodore Stone. Right now.
Doesn't that make you wanna stand up and cheer? :)
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established reputation.... [message #1583 ] |
Di, 19 April 2005 05:38 |
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, ToolPackinMama wrote:
> Doesn't matter. The way it's shown is canon...
There is canon according to Berman, and there is canon according
to Roddenberry and TOS. I side with the latter.
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established reputation.... [message #1584 ] |
Di, 19 April 2005 05:55 |
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Robert Bernardo wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, ToolPackinMama wrote:
>
>> Doesn't matter. The way it's shown is canon...
>
>
> There is canon according to Berman, and there is canon according to
> Roddenberry and TOS. I side with the latter.
So do I. How do you like this scene from ST2?
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/justlooking.jpg
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism,gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1588 ] |
Di, 19 April 2005 15:39 |
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For the record, Captain Kirk is not some slick criminal mastermind who
managed to break the Prime Directive and get away with it with the help
of his whole crew. His whole crew are not in cahoots in violating one
of the most serious laws in the Federation.
Captain Kirk was always presented as the good guy, a pure and simple
hero. Fans are not intended to admire him as a clever villain who got
away with flouting the law. The two times that he disobeyed orders and
broke laws, he did it for Spock, out of love. In neither of those cases
was it a violation of the Prime Directive. In both of those cases, Kirk
was trying to save Spock's life.
In the first case, Amok Time, there were no complaints raised against
him. In the second case, ST3/4, he and his small band of comrades
submitted themselves for judgment and were disciplined.
Kirk was never found guilty of violating the PD. He was never on trial
for violating the PD. He was never accused of violating the PD. He was
never someone who would either intentionally or carelessly violate the
PD. Kirk disapproves of people who violate the PD. He's against the
very idea. Kirk's gone to some rather extreme trouble to avoid
violating the PD, and this caused him difficulties on more than one
occasion.
Except for the rather extreme events depicted in ST3, Kirk's record with
Starfleet is in fact unstained and exemplary. He is highly regarded by
his superiors, who continue to trust him with the most difficult and
sensitive missions until the end of his career.
If a fan likes thinking of Kirk as some kind of devil, then they must
set their fanfic in the mirror universe, where he actually is some kind
of a devil - again, much to his superior's delight. In the mirror
universe, Kirk is a ruthless criminal, but his higher-ups love him that
way... the same way his regular universe superiors love the regular
universe Kirk.
Laura
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism, gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1589 ] |
Di, 19 April 2005 16:01 |
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism,gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1592 ] |
Di, 19 April 2005 16:14 |
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Here's three snapshots from Journey to Babel, showing our guys in formal
attire.
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/fulldress.jpg
Hey, look at allllll those medals. :)
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism,gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1593 ] |
Di, 19 April 2005 16:16 |
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jesus [at] x.com wrote:
> Kirk would share a Tribble with Spock because Gerbils were extinct.
Hmm. Kirk did sit on a tribble at one point. And there were plenty of
them to go around...
We have no canon reason to think that gerbils were extinct, though.
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism, gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1597 ] |
Di, 19 April 2005 17:44 |
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ToolPackinMama wrote:
<Snip>
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> In ST5, SF command would rather send Kirk with a barely functional
> Enterprise, that to send a ship in perfect condition with a
> less-experienced and trustworthy Captain.
Yeah. Too bad they didn't start out from Spacedock, where they would
be *surrounded* by fully-functional ships Kirk could take for the
mission... oh, wait. They did.
http://www.eskimo.com/~rkj/MST.html
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> SF Top Dog: "I need Jim Kirk."
IIRC the Admiral who sent them out was a cameo by Harve Bennett.
*****
The Joker in the Eeeeeeevil Cabal Deck of Cards.
Once we lose magnetic containment, Mr. Antimatter is no longer our
friend.
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism, gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1608 ] |
Di, 19 April 2005 18:46 |
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In article <1167vn0le6a0sa9 [at] news.supernews.com>, ToolPackinMama
<laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> writes
>The Merry Piper wrote:
>
>> All the TREK Captains were good, maybe even great, but only James T.
>> Kirk was legendary.
>
>::nods:: Yep.
I must stick my nose in here and say sorry only Picard was great.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/1701-tenforward
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John Hopkins
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism,gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1609 ] |
Di, 19 April 2005 19:33 |
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Bozo the Evil Klown wrote:
>>SF Top Dog: "I need Jim Kirk."
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> IIRC the Admiral who sent them out was a cameo by Harve Bennett.
Cool. I didn't know that. :)
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism,gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1610 ] |
Di, 19 April 2005 19:35 |
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http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/kirk10.htm
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism, gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1611 ] |
Di, 19 April 2005 19:44 |
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"ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
news:116ag6tgelt4pa7 [at] news.supernews.com...
> Bozo the Evil Klown wrote:
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> >>SF Top Dog: "I need Jim Kirk."
> >
> >
> >
> > IIRC the Admiral who sent them out was a cameo by Harve Bennett.
>
> Cool. I didn't know that. :)
Time to watch the special features on the DVD maybe... {{;-/>
--
Qa'pla
Kweeg
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism, gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1621 ] |
Mi, 20 April 2005 02:09 |
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On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:46:37 +0100, John Hopkins
<glasshousejohn [at] britanniabear.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <1167vn0le6a0sa9 [at] news.supernews.com>, ToolPackinMama
><laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> writes
>>The Merry Piper wrote:
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>>> All the TREK Captains were good, maybe even great, but only James T.
>>> Kirk was legendary.
>>
>>::nods:: Yep.
>I must stick my nose in here and say sorry only Picard was great.
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/1701-tenforward
Exactly. As I said: Picard was great, Kirk was legendary.
--
The Merry Piper
[http://tmpiper.livejournal.com]
If you want to dance, you'll have to pay ... me!
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| Re: Captain Kirk's establ [message #1622 ] |
Di, 19 April 2005 19:24 |
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To: ToolPackinMama
-=> ToolPackinMama wrote to alt.startrek,alt.tv.star- <=-
To> BTW, FWIW, FYI, that scene adds weight to the assertion that Kirk is
To> Gay, since he checks Sisko out a flirty, sidelong glance.
To> Kirk2 (AKA beast Kirk) appears in the transporter room after Kirk one
To> has exited with Mr. Scott.
Well, of course, that was Evil Kirk. A wholly-integrated Kirk
wouldn't drink or womanize like Evil Kirk did. On second thought,
nevermind... :)
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| Re: Captain Kirk's establ [message #1624 ] |
Mi, 20 April 2005 02:35 |
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Poindexter Fortran wrote:
> Well, of course, that was Evil Kirk. A wholly-integrated Kirk
> wouldn't drink or womanize like Evil Kirk did.
Actually, that's true. :)
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism,gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1625 ] |
Mi, 20 April 2005 02:36 |
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Kweeg wrote:
> "ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> news:116ag6tgelt4pa7 [at] news.supernews.com...
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>>Bozo the Evil Klown wrote:
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>>>>SF Top Dog: "I need Jim Kirk."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>IIRC the Admiral who sent them out was a cameo by Harve Bennett.
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>>Cool. I didn't know that. :)
>
>
> Time to watch the special features on the DVD maybe... {{;-/>
I have been meaning to get to that...
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism,gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1626 ] |
Mi, 20 April 2005 02:36 |
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The Merry Piper wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:46:37 +0100, John Hopkins
>>I must stick my nose in here and say sorry only Picard was great.
> Exactly. As I said: Picard was great, Kirk was legendary.
LOL ::high five!::
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism, gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1627 ] |
Mi, 20 April 2005 02:44 |
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On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:36:43 -0400, ToolPackinMama
<laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote:
>The Merry Piper wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:46:37 +0100, John Hopkins
>
>>>I must stick my nose in here and say sorry only Picard was great.
>
>> Exactly. As I said: Picard was great, Kirk was legendary.
>
>LOL ::high five!::
::high five::
--
The Merry Piper
[http://tmpiper.livejournal.com]
If you want to dance, you'll have to pay ... me!
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism, gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1628 ] |
Mi, 20 April 2005 02:49 |
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"ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
news:116b8vhkf74q76d [at] news.supernews.com...
> Kweeg wrote:
> > "ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> > news:116ag6tgelt4pa7 [at] news.supernews.com...
> >
> >>Bozo the Evil Klown wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>>SF Top Dog: "I need Jim Kirk."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>IIRC the Admiral who sent them out was a cameo by Harve Bennett.
> >>
> >>Cool. I didn't know that. :)
> >
> >
> > Time to watch the special features on the DVD maybe... {{;-/>
>
> I have been meaning to get to that...
Well....<taps foot>.....and you call yourself a Trekkie..... get on it
woman.....
{{:-p>
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Qa'pla
Kweeg
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism,gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1629 ] |
Mi, 20 April 2005 02:56 |
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Kirk is nothing like Picard, and IMHO that is entirely to his credit.
One thing I most love about Kirk is how efficient he is about making his
mind up and getting things done. Plus he always does it with ~flair~! :)
Kirk is a rough-cut diamond. No "Lord Chesterfield", Captain Kirk! He
is a complex personality, but he comes across as a guy with simple,
unsophisticated tastes. He doesn't need pheasant under glass or Peking
duck - a chicken-salad sandwich will be just fine. He'd prefer a
sandwich. He likes eating with his hands and drinking from the bottle.
That's why it was so comic when he started giving etiquette lessons to
the only slightly more feral Elasian Dolman.
Kirk judges books by their covers and snap-judges people on first
acquaintance. Mentally, he's amazingly nimble and able. He can make a
decision in a flash, change his mind in a flash, and implement an even
better idea all before breakfast. He's brilliantly intelligent and
tries to be refined, but if he's forced to choose he'd rather be
effective, than elegant.
Morally, he's clear as crystal. He has a short, succinct list of things
that are right and wrong, and that's his blueprint for living. He
believes in love. He believes in friendship. He believes in
civilization. He believes in decency. He believes in truth. He
believes in the UFP. He believe in Starfleet. He believes in himself.
He's amazingly devoted to the people he loves, and is generally
mindbogglingly loyal and good to them. Never gives up on trying to
reclaim a lost soul until the person is dead, and in Spock's case, not
even then.
He's an incredibly stylish fellow. Kirkian style in three words:
*flying scissors kick*. He's charming, charismatic, persuasive,
impressive, and sexy. Plus, he's stubborn. He refuses to believe it
when he can't make someone like him. If he can't dazzle a person at
once, he'll keep working on them until he figures out way to bowl them over.
Whatever Kirk does, he does with tremendous passion, and conviction,
with his whole undivided heart leading the way.
Guys like Kirk - and there aren't many of them - can't be judged the way
you judge ordinary mortals. He's clearly a superstar, practically a
warrior-saint - extraordinary in every way. He lives large, and cuts a
wide swath.
Kirk is an idealist, a dreamer, a romantic. He's, bluntly, a fanatic.
Of course he steps on a few toes. ~Of course~ there will be people who
don't understand and appreciate him. People like that are often
misunderstood. People like that often make enemies, because with a guy
like Kirk, you have to get on one side or the other. He stirs up strong
feelings in everybody around him, simply by being so definite himself.
He's a force to be reckoned with. He's practically a force of nature.
Even his enemies respect him - he's that good.
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism, gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1630 ] |
Mi, 20 April 2005 03:02 |
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On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 00:49:53 GMT, "Kweeg" <kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca>
wrote:
>"ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
>news:116b8vhkf74q76d [at] news.supernews.com...
>> Kweeg wrote:
>> > "ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
>> > news:116ag6tgelt4pa7 [at] news.supernews.com...
>> >
>> >>Bozo the Evil Klown wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>>SF Top Dog: "I need Jim Kirk."
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>IIRC the Admiral who sent them out was a cameo by Harve Bennett.
>> >>
>> >>Cool. I didn't know that. :)
>> >
>> >
>> > Time to watch the special features on the DVD maybe... {{;-/>
>>
>> I have been meaning to get to that...
>
>Well....<taps foot>.....and you call yourself a Trekkie..... get on it
>woman.....
>{{:-p>
Fat faggot Kweef is such a human butt plug that he wants to style the
dyke T'Fat Brenda's dishrag hair and go shoppies with her. Why don't
you kill yourself and save Brenda the effort sitting on you again?
You fat fuck.
{roaring with derisive laughter at the two twinks}
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism,gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1631 ] |
Mi, 20 April 2005 03:05 |
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On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, ToolPackinMama wrote:
> Kirk is nothing like Picard, and IMHO that is entirely to his credit. One
> thing I most love about Kirk is how efficient he is about making his mind up
> and getting things done. Plus he always does it with ~flair~! :)
>
> Kirk is a rough-cut diamond.
[snip]
Great analysis! I think I will print this out and save it for my
records.
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism, gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1632 ] |
Mi, 20 April 2005 03:06 |
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On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:56:41 -0400, ToolPackinMama
<laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote:
>Kirk is nothing like Picard, and IMHO that is entirely to his credit.
>One thing I most love about Kirk is how efficient he is about making his
>mind up and getting things done. Plus he always does it with ~flair~! :)
>
>Kirk is a rough-cut diamond. No "Lord Chesterfield", Captain Kirk! He
>is a complex personality, but he comes across as a guy with simple,
>unsophisticated tastes. He doesn't need pheasant under glass or Peking
>duck - a chicken-salad sandwich will be just fine. He'd prefer a
>sandwich. He likes eating with his hands and drinking from the bottle.
>That's why it was so comic when he started giving etiquette lessons to
>the only slightly more feral Elasian Dolman.
>
>Kirk judges books by their covers and snap-judges people on first
>acquaintance. Mentally, he's amazingly nimble and able. He can make a
>decision in a flash, change his mind in a flash, and implement an even
>better idea all before breakfast. He's brilliantly intelligent and
>tries to be refined, but if he's forced to choose he'd rather be
>effective, than elegant.
>
>Morally, he's clear as crystal. He has a short, succinct list of things
>that are right and wrong, and that's his blueprint for living. He
>believes in love. He believes in friendship. He believes in
>civilization. He believes in decency. He believes in truth. He
>believes in the UFP. He believe in Starfleet. He believes in himself.
>He's amazingly devoted to the people he loves, and is generally
>mindbogglingly loyal and good to them. Never gives up on trying to
>reclaim a lost soul until the person is dead, and in Spock's case, not
>even then.
>
>He's an incredibly stylish fellow. Kirkian style in three words:
>*flying scissors kick*. He's charming, charismatic, persuasive,
>impressive, and sexy. Plus, he's stubborn. He refuses to believe it
>when he can't make someone like him. If he can't dazzle a person at
>once, he'll keep working on them until he figures out way to bowl them over.
>
>Whatever Kirk does, he does with tremendous passion, and conviction,
>with his whole undivided heart leading the way.
>
>Guys like Kirk - and there aren't many of them - can't be judged the way
>you judge ordinary mortals. He's clearly a superstar, practically a
>warrior-saint - extraordinary in every way. He lives large, and cuts a
>wide swath.
>
>Kirk is an idealist, a dreamer, a romantic. He's, bluntly, a fanatic.
>Of course he steps on a few toes. ~Of course~ there will be people who
>don't understand and appreciate him. People like that are often
>misunderstood. People like that often make enemies, because with a guy
>like Kirk, you have to get on one side or the other. He stirs up strong
>feelings in everybody around him, simply by being so definite himself.
>
>He's a force to be reckoned with. He's practically a force of nature.
>Even his enemies respect him - he's that good.
YOU - - - LOVE - - - HIM
YOU'RE IN LOVE WITH THE KIRK
(So what do you think of Shatner the Man?)
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism,gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1633 ] |
Mi, 20 April 2005 03:08 |
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Kweeg wrote:
> "ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> news:116b8vhkf74q76d [at] news.supernews.com...
>
>>Kweeg wrote:
>>>Time to watch the special features on the DVD maybe... {{;-/>
>>
>>I have been meaning to get to that...
>
>
> Well....<taps foot>.....and you call yourself a Trekkie..... get on it
> woman.....
LOL fair enough. :)
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism,gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1634 ] |
Mi, 20 April 2005 03:11 |
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Robert Bernardo wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, ToolPackinMama wrote:
>
>> Kirk is nothing like Picard, and IMHO that is entirely to his credit.
>> One thing I most love about Kirk is how efficient he is about making
>> his mind up and getting things done. Plus he always does it with
>> ~flair~! :)
>>
>> Kirk is a rough-cut diamond.
>
>
> [snip]
>
> Great analysis! I think I will print this out and save it for my
> records.
That's terrific. Your approval means a lot to me. Glad you liked it. :)
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism, gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1635 ] |
Mi, 20 April 2005 03:20 |
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<Diamond [at] coal.org> wrote in message
news:abab61h3asbrh78121d8kjpjtc1sh5jjhs [at] 4ax.com...
Go on dork, prove me right again and post with another nic, loser!
Ten in six days.
Whatta sad pathetic life you must have to constantly troll newsgroups having
to constantly change you nic because so many people have killfiled you. I
and everyone else are laughing at you. No real life friends and no friends
on Usenet. Seriously kill yourself, no one will notice or care and we all
could do with the laugh.
--
Kweeg
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism,gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1636 ] |
Mi, 20 April 2005 03:28 |
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Diamond [at] coal.org wrote:
> YOU - - - LOVE - - - HIM
> YOU'RE IN LOVE WITH THE KIRK
NO - - - DUH!
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| Re: Captain Kirk's established record and reputation of heroism,gallantry, and faithful fulfillment [message #1637 ] |
Mi, 20 April 2005 03:30 |
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Kweeg wrote:
> <Diamond [at] coal.org> wrote in message
> news:abab61h3asbrh78121d8kjpjtc1sh5jjhs [at] 4ax.com...
> Go on dork, prove me right again and post with another nic, loser!
> Ten in six days.
> Whatta sad pathetic life you must have to constantly troll newsgroups having
> to constantly change you nic because so many people have killfiled you. I
> and everyone else are laughing at you. No real life friends and no friends
> on Usenet. Seriously kill yourself, no one will notice or care and we all
> could do with the laugh.
>
For the record, I can make my own mind up about you, Kweeg. :)
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