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Science Fiction » alt.startrek » Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again
| Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #147694] |
Do, 13 Oktober 2005 13:11 |
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<rja.carnegie [at] excite.com> wrote in message news:1128008684.914037.210930 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> Stephen M. Adams wrote:
>> rja.carnegie [at] excite.com writes:
>> >Stephen M. Adams wrote:
>> >> "Tom Conner" <tconner [at] olopha.net> writes:
>> >> >"Stephen M. Adams" <adamst [at] no.spam> wrote in message
>> >> >news:dhejm50g33 [at] news4.newsguy.com...
>> >> >> Kai Lanio <Lanio [at] arcor.de> writes:
>> >> >> >Neil Nadelman wrote:
>> >> >> >> My personal favorite part is how he seems to have melded gays,
>> >> >> >> libertarians, conservatives, mobsters, AND the ACLU into one cohesive
>> >> >> >> group. I mean, they all get along so well with each other.
>> >> >> >Paroon me What is the ACLU?
>> >> >> American Civil Liberties Union (http://aclu.org)
>> >> >> Generally loved by the left, generally hated by the right.
>> >> >And used by both when it suites their purpose. Bob Barr and the ACLU
>> >> >working together is a good example.
>> >> True enough. I just wish they would get involved in rights that
>> >> aren't at the top of the left's agenda. There are others...
>> >Isn't it that people whose cause is at the top of the right's agenda
>> >tend not to like the ACLU?
>> Maybe. I'm a Libertarian. I'd love to see them start pushing cases in
>> areas they don't usually tread.
>> >Plus, where ACLU action is by volunteer, maybe someone has to volunteer.
>> True. But there is also a culture which seems to have them aling their
>> agenda with the 'left' more than the 'right' (at least as I see it).
>> Seriously - I'm all for pushing free speech, but they only like certain
>> kinds of free speech. I'm all for religious freedom, but they don't
>> follow the intent of the 1st amendment (IMHO). Of course, this is going
>> WAY off topic, so I'll drop it at that.
> Spoilsport.
> Can't you join the ACLU and found a Libertarian wing? I mean, why not?
> You like what they already do but not who they do it for?
The ACLU is a right wing libertarian organization. Organized Crime and Hollywood Homosexuals
are their biggest customers, right wing libertarians, both.
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"Earl Grieda" <eASQWERTgrieda [at] VADFWEFyahoo.comical> wrote in message news:KF9Xe.11484$4P5.5288 [at] newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> These are a few points I haven't seen mentioned.
> During the poker game when the other player was quitting and saying what's
> the point, Starbuck defended the party line: "Don't give up. We'll find
> earth." I liked this because Starbuck is portrayed as the rebel. Yet here
> she is being the good officer. Also, she is defending Helo, and by
> extension Sharon, when she slams the pilot head first into the table.
In this scene the pilots are portrayed playing cards for money, yet again in this BSG series.
Gambling is a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized Crime.
In that same scene, the pejorative reference to prostitution by Racetrack is condemned by the BSG writers
and the Hollywood Homosexuals who maintain a stranglehold on the script and direction of the BSG series.
"(Racetrack) Good idea. Maybe that Cylon whore taught him a few tricks."
Prostitution is a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized Crime.
The greatest danger to this country today is that from the right wing libertarian nexus between:
US Supreme Court, Hollywood Homosexuals Neo-Conservatives,
ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union), Organized Crime.
Organized Crime are the ultimate libertarians, even more right wing libertarian than homosexuals.
> Later the Chief becomes violent over Sharon. Two scenes together
> (Starbuck/Chief) are showing the negative effect that Sharon is having on
> the crew. Helo managed to keep his cool while the Chief loses it.
"(Chief) I should probably be grateful to you. Probably be grateful. You know why?
Because that freak in her belly could have been mine."
Clearly these two guys know that they are fighting over something that is non-human, thus Bestiality.
The clear message is, if these two guys can pervert heterosexual sex to Bestiality in this way,
what could possibly be so wrong with 2 men, like Apollo and Zerak, or Zerak and Meier, and Sodomy ?
Heck, at least they are both human.
After all, to BSG Hollywood Homosexuals libertarians, morality has to be relative.
> Apollo says to the Chief that nobody is expecting any miracles, and the
> Chief says that's the problem. I seem to remember another scene in an
> earlier episode of Apollo's easy going style in a pilots meeting when he
> said something similar. Not the best leadership style to inspire confidence.
> There was an older guy in the maintenance crew. That was nice. Not
> everyone is in their 20s-30s. He was also the first to offer to give the
> Chief a hand in making his plane.
> Lack of oxygen brings out honesty: Starbuck, while suffering lack of
> oxygen, says she will fly the plane. Lee says why, and Starbuck says that
> while everyone else is whining the Chief is trying to do something positive.
The giggling fit of Starbuck in this scene conjured up the effects of drugs, even laughing gas.
Drugs are a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized Crime.
> Baltar is still slimy: I liked the subtle back-handed way that Baltar laid
> the blame of the computer virus on Tigh when he tells Adama that the virus
> is the result of the network that Tigh had setup after Adama was shot. Why
> is he back-stabbing Tigh. and helping Gaeta?
>
> At first I thought that Sharon was getting "programmed" when she read the
> printout that Helo had. However, now I think that at that point she
> realized that the Cylons were going to kill her along with everyone else.
> That makes the "common ground" theme realistic.
>
> Why is anyone concerned if the space plane has a skin? It flies in space.
> It doesn't need a skin.
>
> Tigh takes a jar of moonshine after he provides the engines. The Chief said
> that he was making it to trade for engine parts. I like the overall theme
> of acceptance of alcohol use in the show. As shown during the christening
> of the plane when the Chief takes the first swig.
Organized Crime in the US became established in the 1920's during prohibition,
when alcohol was briefly banned in the US.by the 18th Amendment to the US Constitution in 1919, which was later
repealed by the 21st Amendment in 1933. Organized Crimes guys from that time were so proud of making
money defying the alcohol prohibition, doing exactly what the Chief is doing in the scene in this BSG episode:
manufacturing and selling "moonshine" from "stills".
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
The BSG writers present this right wing libertarian criminal behavior as having a altruistic and beneficial goal--
the development of the Stealth Fighter space vehicle, which we will surely see is critical to the defense
against the Cylons.
You see, BSG Hollywood Homosexuals are telling us, selling illegal drugs has a good side...
Alcohol was a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized Crime, until alcohol was
re-legalized in 1933, and some Organized Crime bosses went legit, selling this product.
============================================================ ============
Politics
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| Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #147700 ] |
Do, 13 Oktober 2005 17:33 |
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John Shocked wrote:
> <rja.carnegie [at] excite.com> wrote in message news:1128008684.914037.210930 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Stephen M. Adams wrote:
>>
>>>rja.carnegie [at] excite.com writes:
>>>
>>>>Stephen M. Adams wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Tom Conner" <tconner [at] olopha.net> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Stephen M. Adams" <adamst [at] no.spam> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:dhejm50g33 [at] news4.newsguy.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Kai Lanio <Lanio [at] arcor.de> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Neil Nadelman wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My personal favorite part is how he seems to have melded gays,
>>>>>>>>>libertarians, conservatives, mobsters, AND the ACLU into one cohesive
>>>>>>>>>group. I mean, they all get along so well with each other.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Paroon me What is the ACLU?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>American Civil Liberties Union (http://aclu.org)
>>>>>>>Generally loved by the left, generally hated by the right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And used by both when it suites their purpose. Bob Barr and the ACLU
>>>>>>working together is a good example.
>>>>>
>>>>>True enough. I just wish they would get involved in rights that
>>>>>aren't at the top of the left's agenda. There are others...
>>>>
>>>>Isn't it that people whose cause is at the top of the right's agenda
>>>>tend not to like the ACLU?
>>>
>>>Maybe. I'm a Libertarian. I'd love to see them start pushing cases in
>>>areas they don't usually tread.
>>>
>>>>Plus, where ACLU action is by volunteer, maybe someone has to volunteer.
>>>
>>>True. But there is also a culture which seems to have them aling their
>>>agenda with the 'left' more than the 'right' (at least as I see it).
>>>Seriously - I'm all for pushing free speech, but they only like certain
>>>kinds of free speech. I'm all for religious freedom, but they don't
>>>follow the intent of the 1st amendment (IMHO). Of course, this is going
>>>WAY off topic, so I'll drop it at that.
>>
>>Spoilsport.
>>Can't you join the ACLU and found a Libertarian wing? I mean, why not?
>>You like what they already do but not who they do it for?
>
>
> The ACLU is a right wing libertarian organization. Organized Crime and Hollywood Homosexuals
> are their biggest customers, right wing libertarians, both.
>
Hmm most people consider them left-winged, heading toward the
socialistic side of the world, and not the totalitarian aspect that the
far right tend to be.
> ============================================================ =====
> "Earl Grieda" <eASQWERTgrieda [at] VADFWEFyahoo.comical> wrote in message news:KF9Xe.11484$4P5.5288 [at] newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
>>These are a few points I haven't seen mentioned.
>>During the poker game when the other player was quitting and saying what's
>>the point, Starbuck defended the party line: "Don't give up. We'll find
>>earth." I liked this because Starbuck is portrayed as the rebel. Yet here
>>she is being the good officer. Also, she is defending Helo, and by
>>extension Sharon, when she slams the pilot head first into the table.
>
>
> In this scene the pilots are portrayed playing cards for money, yet again in this BSG series.
> Gambling is a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized Crime.
>
Strange, gambling has been around since the Babylonian times, some
3-4000 years ago. Neither the ACLU, libertarians, or right-wingers
existed then. You should read some history before you use "facts" in
your rants.
> In that same scene, the pejorative reference to prostitution by Racetrack is condemned by the BSG writers
> and the Hollywood Homosexuals who maintain a stranglehold on the script and direction of the BSG series.
> "(Racetrack) Good idea. Maybe that Cylon whore taught him a few tricks."
> Prostitution is a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized Crime.
>
Again, prostitution has been around longer then gambling. See above
comment, and get a history lesson.
> The greatest danger to this country today is that from the right wing libertarian nexus between:
> US Supreme Court, Hollywood Homosexuals Neo-Conservatives,
> ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union), Organized Crime.
> Organized Crime are the ultimate libertarians, even more right wing libertarian than homosexuals.
>
Are you confusing liberal with libertarians? There is a world of
difference between the two.
lib·er·tar·i·an Audio pronunciation of "libertarian" ( P )
Pronunciation Key (lbr-tār-n)
n.
1. One who advocates maximizing individual rights and minimizing the
role of the state.
2. One who believes in free will.
lib·er·al Audio pronunciation of "liberal" ( P ) Pronunciation Key
(lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.
1.
1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or
authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
2. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for
progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
>>Apollo says to the Chief that nobody is expecting any miracles, and the
>>Chief says that's the problem. I seem to remember another scene in an
>>earlier episode of Apollo's easy going style in a pilots meeting when he
>>said something similar. Not the best leadership style to inspire confidence.
>>There was an older guy in the maintenance crew. That was nice. Not
>>everyone is in their 20s-30s. He was also the first to offer to give the
>>Chief a hand in making his plane.
>>Lack of oxygen brings out honesty: Starbuck, while suffering lack of
>>oxygen, says she will fly the plane. Lee says why, and Starbuck says that
>>while everyone else is whining the Chief is trying to do something positive.
>
>
> The giggling fit of Starbuck in this scene conjured up the effects of drugs, even laughing gas.
> Drugs are a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized Crime.
>
Again, drugs have been around for 1000's of years. Stop blaming issues
on the ACLU, or whomever until you KNOW the issues.
>
>>Baltar is still slimy: I liked the subtle back-handed way that Baltar laid
>>the blame of the computer virus on Tigh when he tells Adama that the virus
>>is the result of the network that Tigh had setup after Adama was shot. Why
>>is he back-stabbing Tigh. and helping Gaeta?
>>
>>At first I thought that Sharon was getting "programmed" when she read the
>>printout that Helo had. However, now I think that at that point she
>>realized that the Cylons were going to kill her along with everyone else.
>>That makes the "common ground" theme realistic.
>>
>>Why is anyone concerned if the space plane has a skin? It flies in space.
>>It doesn't need a skin.
>>
>>Tigh takes a jar of moonshine after he provides the engines. The Chief said
>>that he was making it to trade for engine parts. I like the overall theme
>>of acceptance of alcohol use in the show. As shown during the christening
>>of the plane when the Chief takes the first swig.
>
>
> Organized Crime in the US became established in the 1920's during prohibition,
> when alcohol was briefly banned in the US.by the 18th Amendment to the US Constitution in 1919, which was later
> repealed by the 21st Amendment in 1933. Organized Crimes guys from that time were so proud of making
> money defying the alcohol prohibition, doing exactly what the Chief is doing in the scene in this BSG episode:
> manufacturing and selling "moonshine" from "stills".
> http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
> The BSG writers present this right wing libertarian criminal behavior as having a altruistic and beneficial goal--
> the development of the Stealth Fighter space vehicle, which we will surely see is critical to the defense
> against the Cylons.
> You see, BSG Hollywood Homosexuals are telling us, selling illegal drugs has a good side...
> Alcohol was a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized Crime, until alcohol was
> re-legalized in 1933, and some Organized Crime bosses went legit, selling this product.
> ============================================================ ============
>
> Politics
>
Organized crime in the U.S. started in the 1920's? Really? Tell that to
New Orleans that hosted the LARGEST US Mafia city in the U.S. in the
1800's. Or the New York City Five Points Gang that existed well before
1906. And that is just the Italian mafia. Again, look things up before
you look like an idiot ranting about "facts" that you made up.
http://users.aol.com/whizkid01/hist.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Mafia
>
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| Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #147717 ] |
Fr, 14 Oktober 2005 04:41 |
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You have many logical errors in your arguments.
It is incumbent on the person propositioning a theory
to provide testable evidence to support the theory.
It is not incumbent on the person receiving a theory
to provide evidence in refute, only to address that the
facts of the argument do not follow.
===================================
Reason
> Gambling is a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized
Crime.
This statement is false, gambling is not necessarily a product of organized
crime.
I can gamble anytime I want without connections to organized crime.
This is a logical fallacy of hasty generalization.
> Prostitution is a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported
Organized Crime.
Again, this statement is false, prostitution existed before ACLU or
Organized Crime.
Also, there are prostitutes who operate 'freelance' with no connection to
anyone else.
This again is a logical fallacy of hasty generalization.
> Clearly these two guys know that they are fighting over something that is
non-human, thus Bestiality.
Anything non-human is not automatically animal. I cannot have bestiality
with a sex toy.
This is a false analogy at best, a syllogistic fallacy at worst.
> The clear message is, if these two guys can pervert heterosexual sex to
Bestiality in this way,
> what could possibly be so wrong with 2 men, like Apollo and Zerak, or
Zerak and Meier, and Sodomy ?
Ignoring the fact that the statement preceding this one was false, this is a
classic example
of the slippery slope.
> The giggling fit of Starbuck in this scene conjured up the effects of
drugs, even laughing gas.
In context, Starbuck's giggling is due to anoxia, a known symptom - slothful
induction.
> Drugs are a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized
Crime.
This again is a logical fallacy of hasty generalization. Drugs are a
product of good-ole
mother nature and have been present way before ACLU supported Organized
Crime.
Drugs can be grown, made, purchased or used without the support of the same.
> The BSG writers present this right wing libertarian criminal behavior as
having a altruistic and beneficial goal--
> the development of the Stealth Fighter space vehicle, which we will surely
see is critical to the defense
> against the Cylons.
> You see, BSG Hollywood Homosexuals are telling us, selling illegal drugs
has a good side...
Writing about vigilantism does not necessarily mean the writer approves of
vigilantism.
Nor does the thought of doing something illegal imply that it is ok to do
something illegal.
I have not seen reference in BSG to say that posessing alcohol is illegal.
Although one might assume that a still on a military vessel is not allowed.
Who are the "Hollywood Homosexuals"? This is an anonymous authority error.
"John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:zir3f.73263$lq6.55200 [at] fed1read01...
> <rja.carnegie [at] excite.com> wrote in message
news:1128008684.914037.210930 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> > Stephen M. Adams wrote:
> >> rja.carnegie [at] excite.com writes:
> >> >Stephen M. Adams wrote:
> >> >> "Tom Conner" <tconner [at] olopha.net> writes:
> >> >> >"Stephen M. Adams" <adamst [at] no.spam> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:dhejm50g33 [at] news4.newsguy.com...
> >> >> >> Kai Lanio <Lanio [at] arcor.de> writes:
> >> >> >> >Neil Nadelman wrote:
> >> >> >> >> My personal favorite part is how he seems to have melded
gays,
> >> >> >> >> libertarians, conservatives, mobsters, AND the ACLU into one
cohesive
> >> >> >> >> group. I mean, they all get along so well with each other.
> >> >> >> >Paroon me What is the ACLU?
> >> >> >> American Civil Liberties Union (http://aclu.org)
> >> >> >> Generally loved by the left, generally hated by the right.
> >> >> >And used by both when it suites their purpose. Bob Barr and the
ACLU
> >> >> >working together is a good example.
> >> >> True enough. I just wish they would get involved in rights that
> >> >> aren't at the top of the left's agenda. There are others...
> >> >Isn't it that people whose cause is at the top of the right's agenda
> >> >tend not to like the ACLU?
> >> Maybe. I'm a Libertarian. I'd love to see them start pushing cases in
> >> areas they don't usually tread.
> >> >Plus, where ACLU action is by volunteer, maybe someone has to
volunteer.
> >> True. But there is also a culture which seems to have them aling their
> >> agenda with the 'left' more than the 'right' (at least as I see it).
> >> Seriously - I'm all for pushing free speech, but they only like certain
> >> kinds of free speech. I'm all for religious freedom, but they don't
> >> follow the intent of the 1st amendment (IMHO). Of course, this is
going
> >> WAY off topic, so I'll drop it at that.
> > Spoilsport.
> > Can't you join the ACLU and found a Libertarian wing? I mean, why not?
> > You like what they already do but not who they do it for?
>
> The ACLU is a right wing libertarian organization. Organized Crime and
Hollywood Homosexuals
> are their biggest customers, right wing libertarians, both.
>
> ============================================================ =====
> "Earl Grieda" <eASQWERTgrieda [at] VADFWEFyahoo.comical> wrote in message
news:KF9Xe.11484$4P5.5288 [at] newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > These are a few points I haven't seen mentioned.
> > During the poker game when the other player was quitting and saying
what's
> > the point, Starbuck defended the party line: "Don't give up. We'll
find
> > earth." I liked this because Starbuck is portrayed as the rebel. Yet
here
> > she is being the good officer. Also, she is defending Helo, and by
> > extension Sharon, when she slams the pilot head first into the table.
>
> In this scene the pilots are portrayed playing cards for money, yet again
in this BSG series.
>
> In that same scene, the pejorative reference to prostitution by Racetrack
is condemned by the BSG writers
> and the Hollywood Homosexuals who maintain a stranglehold on the script
and direction of the BSG series.
> "(Racetrack) Good idea. Maybe that Cylon whore taught him a few tricks."
> Prostitution is a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported
Organized Crime.
>
> The greatest danger to this country today is that from the right wing
libertarian nexus between:
> US Supreme Court, Hollywood Homosexuals Neo-Conservatives,
> ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union), Organized Crime.
> Organized Crime are the ultimate libertarians, even more right wing
libertarian than homosexuals.
>
> > Later the Chief becomes violent over Sharon. Two scenes together
> > (Starbuck/Chief) are showing the negative effect that Sharon is having
on
> > the crew. Helo managed to keep his cool while the Chief loses it.
>
> "(Chief) I should probably be grateful to you. Probably be grateful. You
know why?
> Because that freak in her belly could have been mine."
> Clearly these two guys know that they are fighting over something that is
non-human, thus Bestiality.
> The clear message is, if these two guys can pervert heterosexual sex to
Bestiality in this way,
> what could possibly be so wrong with 2 men, like Apollo and Zerak, or
Zerak and Meier, and Sodomy ?
> Heck, at least they are both human.
> After all, to BSG Hollywood Homosexuals libertarians, morality has to
be relative.
>
> > Apollo says to the Chief that nobody is expecting any miracles, and the
> > Chief says that's the problem. I seem to remember another scene in an
> > earlier episode of Apollo's easy going style in a pilots meeting when he
> > said something similar. Not the best leadership style to inspire
confidence.
> > There was an older guy in the maintenance crew. That was nice. Not
> > everyone is in their 20s-30s. He was also the first to offer to give
the
> > Chief a hand in making his plane.
> > Lack of oxygen brings out honesty: Starbuck, while suffering lack of
> > oxygen, says she will fly the plane. Lee says why, and Starbuck says
that
> > while everyone else is whining the Chief is trying to do something
positive.
>
> The giggling fit of Starbuck in this scene conjured up the effects of
drugs, even laughing gas.
> Drugs are a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized
Crime.
>
> > Baltar is still slimy: I liked the subtle back-handed way that Baltar
laid
> > the blame of the computer virus on Tigh when he tells Adama that the
virus
> > is the result of the network that Tigh had setup after Adama was shot.
Why
> > is he back-stabbing Tigh. and helping Gaeta?
> >
> > At first I thought that Sharon was getting "programmed" when she read
the
> > printout that Helo had. However, now I think that at that point she
> > realized that the Cylons were going to kill her along with everyone
else.
> > That makes the "common ground" theme realistic.
> >
> > Why is anyone concerned if the space plane has a skin? It flies in
space.
> > It doesn't need a skin.
> >
> > Tigh takes a jar of moonshine after he provides the engines. The Chief
said
> > that he was making it to trade for engine parts. I like the overall
theme
> > of acceptance of alcohol use in the show. As shown during the
christening
> > of the plane when the Chief takes the first swig.
>
> Organized Crime in the US became established in the 1920's during
prohibition,
> when alcohol was briefly banned in the US.by the 18th Amendment to the US
Constitution in 1919, which was later
> repealed by the 21st Amendment in 1933. Organized Crimes guys from that
time were so proud of making
> money defying the alcohol prohibition, doing exactly what the Chief is
doing in the scene in this BSG episode:
> manufacturing and selling "moonshine" from "stills".
> http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
> The BSG writers present this right wing libertarian criminal behavior as
having a altruistic and beneficial goal--
> the development of the Stealth Fighter space vehicle, which we will surely
see is critical to the defense
> against the Cylons.
> You see, BSG Hollywood Homosexuals are telling us, selling illegal drugs
has a good side...
> Alcohol was a product of right wing, libertarian ACLU supported Organized
Crime, until alcohol was
> re-legalized in 1933, and some Organized Crime bosses went legit, selling
this product.
> ============================================================ ============
>
> Politics
>
>
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