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Science Fiction » alt.startrek » Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo
| Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145252] |
Fr, 07 Oktober 2005 09:12 |
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"Mark Plows" <mplows [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:HwZFe.5018$d02.659712 [at] news20.bellglobal.com...
> So my question to you "John Shocked" is do you actually believe what you are writing
> or are you doing this just to provoke a response?
Read my posts. And understand.
> Couldn't the prison break reference in Bastille Day be in reference to the French Napoleonic era prison, The Bastille and the
> prisoner's opinions that they were being held unjustly as was often the case in the Bastille in Paris, France? The fact that
> Apollo was pinned by prisoners doesn't necessarily have to be a homosexual act, perhaps it could just be that he was there, he had
> a gun and they wanted to stop him kicking the crap out of the jail breakers.
There is clear Oz HBO series prison homosexual rape symbolism in Bastille Day and Colonial Day episodes..
> The statement "The back door is open" in the episode "The Hand of God" could, and I know that this is highly theoretical and all,
> but perhaps it could just be a reference to the fact that the Vipers were attacking the base from the side of the asteroid facing
> AWAY from the refinery station.
It was a double entendre with the clear implication of Apollo making a homosexual rear entrance.
Similar to the order to him in the current Valley of Darkness episode in which Tigh
repeatedly orders Apollo to "proceed to Aft damage control".
Aft is another word for "rear" or "back" or "behind".
The script of this series is a total mockery of a science fiction show.
Over and over again the reference to Aft and Apollo is used in this episode.
And this is set up by an initial description of the invading boarding Cylons in the briefing between Tigh, Gaeta and the new XO:
"Where are the Cylons?"
"Looks like they split into two forces."
"One moving forward -- "
"and one moving aft."
Sgt. Hadrian is given the responsibility to halt the Cylons advance in the forward direction,
and Tigh explicitly, over and over, gives Apollo the order to deal with the Cylons moving in the Aft (rear) direction.
These directions around the ship permeate the script, including the conversations President Roslin
has with the guard who releases her.
Tigh orders Apollo: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control.
Maybe "aft damage control" is Tigh's way of telling Apollo to use a Condom when he takes
the rear/aft route in the future. Otherwise, "you can bet your ass/arse".
Not sure where the persistent Apollo references to "head shots" fits into this double entendre context.
> Anyone could go on seeing homosexual references in just about anything if you try hard enough. My next question to you, Mr Shock,
> is this... Do you look for homosexuality in every facet of your life? This might be the foreshadowing of something ever present in
> the forefront of your mind. I wouldn't suggest that perhaps you are furiously trying to deny an aspect of your life that you feel
> ashamed of but your comments to bring to mind the quote "...the lady doth protest too much..." (Hamlet, Act 3, scene 2) comes to
> mind.
I look for the truth. I am just skilled at finding the truth.
BSG is supposed to be a Science Fiction series, but it is clear that the Hollywood Homosexuals in control
of it are so determined to sell Sodomy in the script that there is little room for anything else.
It is a mockery.
Politics
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145775 ] |
Fr, 07 Oktober 2005 13:31 |
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You're nothing if not entertaining, John.
--
Jim Phillips, jay pee aitch eye el el eye pee at bee see pee ell dot net
"I would bring up Ann Coulter's comment about blowing up the New York
Times...there's a lot of hateful, violent rhetoric that spews from the
Right. The Left is snide and sarcastic, the Right is dangerous and
violent." -- Dan Savage
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145891 ] |
Fr, 07 Oktober 2005 15:21 |
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"Jim Phillips" <jphillip [at] bcpl.net> wrote in message news:Pine.SOL.3.96.1051007082210.14950L-100000 [at] mail...
> You're nothing if not entertaining, John.
The Scifi Channel likes this quote too: they are using the footage of Tigh making that statement
in all the advertisements leading up to the next rerun episode on Friday.
Sodomy is the big message they want to send and they are corrupting the script and the promos to achieve this.
Politics
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145896 ] |
Fr, 07 Oktober 2005 17:03 |
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"John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Mdp1f.26818$lq6.8059 [at] fed1read01...
>... it is clear that the Hollywood Homosexuals in control
> of it are so determined to sell Sodomy in the script that there is little
> room for anything else.
> It is a mockery.
Ok... I can buy all that to a certain extent. There are certainly a lot of
*Agenda* driven homosexuals, just as there are people of any "sexuality".
But explain this to me.
Why, after every episode of BSG, do I feel myself wanting to fuck the hell
out of Starbuck, Boomer, and Six? Let's not forget that juicy comm officer,
and President Roslyn too. The five of them and me... the possiblities are
endless.
So if BSG wants me to engage in sodomy... why am I still wanting the femmes
in the show? Hmm? The "Psychic Sodomizer" must not be working properly...
-Wraith-
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145900 ] |
Fr, 07 Oktober 2005 17:52 |
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"Teh Wraith" <ham_fisted [at] bun_vendor.net> wrote in message news:K6w1f.1021$D8.433 [at] okepread03...
> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Mdp1f.26818$lq6.8059 [at] fed1read01...
>>... it is clear that the Hollywood Homosexuals in control
>> of it are so determined to sell Sodomy in the script that there is little room for anything else. It is a mockery.
> Ok... I can buy all that to a certain extent. There are certainly a lot of *Agenda* driven homosexuals, just as there are people
> of any "sexuality".
> But explain this to me.
> Why, after every episode of BSG, do I feel myself wanting to fuck the hell out of Starbuck, Boomer, and Six? Let's not forget
> that juicy comm officer, and President Roslyn too. The five of them and me... the possiblities are endless.
> So if BSG wants me to engage in sodomy... why am I still wanting the femmes in the show? Hmm? The "Psychic Sodomizer" must not
> be working properly...
> -Wraith-
If you have read any of the accounts of prosecutions of homosexual pedophiles, perhaps
the most common common denominator is the introduction of heterosexual pornography to your Son.
That is how they generate interest in some sort of sexual behavior, before turning the tables
with this horrific act that your Son never saw coming, and probably never heard of before.
So subtle trickery is an extremely common component to the behavior of these people.
So when you see them utilize trickery here on these Newsgroups, the same alarm bells should sound.
Politics
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145909 ] |
Fr, 07 Oktober 2005 18:46 |
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145910 ] |
Fr, 07 Oktober 2005 19:03 |
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"John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Mdp1f.26818$lq6.8059 [at] fed1read01...
> "Mark Plows" <mplows [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:HwZFe.5018$d02.659712 [at] news20.bellglobal.com...
>> So my question to you "John Shocked" is do you actually believe what you
>> are writing
>> or are you doing this just to provoke a response?
>
> Read my posts. And understand.
>
>> Couldn't the prison break reference in Bastille Day be in reference to
>> the French Napoleonic era prison, The Bastille and the
>> prisoner's opinions that they were being held unjustly as was often the
>> case in the Bastille in Paris, France? The fact that
>> Apollo was pinned by prisoners doesn't necessarily have to be a
>> homosexual act, perhaps it could just be that he was there, he had
>> a gun and they wanted to stop him kicking the crap out of the jail
>> breakers.
>
> There is clear Oz HBO series prison homosexual rape symbolism in Bastille
> Day and Colonial Day episodes..
>
>> The statement "The back door is open" in the episode "The Hand of God"
>> could, and I know that this is highly theoretical and all,
>> but perhaps it could just be a reference to the fact that the Vipers were
>> attacking the base from the side of the asteroid facing
>> AWAY from the refinery station.
>
> It was a double entendre with the clear implication of Apollo making a
> homosexual rear entrance.
> Similar to the order to him in the current Valley of Darkness episode
> in which Tigh
> repeatedly orders Apollo to "proceed to Aft damage control".
> Aft is another word for "rear" or "back" or "behind".
> The script of this series is a total mockery of a science fiction show.
> Over and over again the reference to Aft and Apollo is used in this
> episode.
>
> And this is set up by an initial description of the invading boarding
> Cylons in the briefing between Tigh, Gaeta and the new XO:
> "Where are the Cylons?"
> "Looks like they split into two forces."
> "One moving forward -- "
> "and one moving aft."
>
> Sgt. Hadrian is given the responsibility to halt the Cylons advance in the
> forward direction,
> and Tigh explicitly, over and over, gives Apollo the order to deal with
> the Cylons moving in the Aft (rear) direction.
> These directions around the ship permeate the script, including the
> conversations President Roslin
> has with the guard who releases her.
>
> Tigh orders Apollo: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage
> control.
> Maybe "aft damage control" is Tigh's way of telling Apollo to use a Condom
> when he takes
> the rear/aft route in the future. Otherwise, "you can bet your ass/arse".
>
> Not sure where the persistent Apollo references to "head shots" fits into
> this double entendre context.
>
>> Anyone could go on seeing homosexual references in just about anything if
>> you try hard enough. My next question to you, Mr Shock,
>> is this... Do you look for homosexuality in every facet of your life?
>> This might be the foreshadowing of something ever present in
>> the forefront of your mind. I wouldn't suggest that perhaps you are
>> furiously trying to deny an aspect of your life that you feel
>> ashamed of but your comments to bring to mind the quote "...the lady doth
>> protest too much..." (Hamlet, Act 3, scene 2) comes to
>> mind.
>
> I look for the truth. I am just skilled at finding the truth.
> BSG is supposed to be a Science Fiction series, but it is clear that the
> Hollywood Homosexuals in control
> of it are so determined to sell Sodomy in the script that there is little
> room for anything else.
> It is a mockery.
>
> Politics
>
>
John, what's your favorite color?
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145911 ] |
Fr, 07 Oktober 2005 19:26 |
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On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:52:19 -0700, "John Shocked"
<jshocked [at] hotmail.com>, wrote:
>"Teh Wraith" <ham_fisted [at] bun_vendor.net> wrote in message news:K6w1f.1021$D8.433 [at] okepread03...
>> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Mdp1f.26818$lq6.8059 [at] fed1read01...
>>>... it is clear that the Hollywood Homosexuals in control
>>> of it are so determined to sell Sodomy in the script that there is little room for anything else. It is a mockery.
>> Ok... I can buy all that to a certain extent. There are certainly a lot of *Agenda* driven homosexuals, just as there are people
>> of any "sexuality".
>> But explain this to me.
>> Why, after every episode of BSG, do I feel myself wanting to fuck the hell out of Starbuck, Boomer, and Six? Let's not forget
>> that juicy comm officer, and President Roslyn too. The five of them and me... the possiblities are endless.
>> So if BSG wants me to engage in sodomy... why am I still wanting the femmes in the show? Hmm? The "Psychic Sodomizer" must not
>> be working properly...
>> -Wraith-
>
>If you have read any of the accounts of prosecutions of homosexual pedophiles, perhaps
>the most common common denominator is the introduction of heterosexual pornography to your Son.
>That is how they generate interest in some sort of sexual behavior, before turning the tables
>with this horrific act that your Son never saw coming, and probably never heard of before.
>So subtle trickery is an extremely common component to the behavior of these people.
>So when you see them utilize trickery here on these Newsgroups, the same alarm bells should sound.
>
>Politics
LOL! You're so fucking dumb it's embarrassing. Lemme guess, another
dipshit that doesn't know the difference between homosexuality and
pedophilia.
Jade
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145912 ] |
Fr, 07 Oktober 2005 19:27 |
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On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:12:31 -0700, "John Shocked"
<jshocked [at] hotmail.com>, wrote:
>
>I look for the truth. I am just skilled at finding the truth.
>BSG is supposed to be a Science Fiction series, but it is clear that the Hollywood Homosexuals in control
>of it are so determined to sell Sodomy in the script that there is little room for anything else.
>It is a mockery.
>
>Politics
I'm glad I don't come to usenet to learn anything. ROTFL!
Jade
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145914 ] |
Fr, 07 Oktober 2005 19:58 |
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"Ubiquitous" <weberm [at] polaris.net> wrote in message news:T9-dnaaMKrX0O9veRVn-hw [at] giganews.com...
> In article <Mdp1f.26818$lq6.8059 [at] fed1read01>, jshocked [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>>"Mark Plows" <mplows [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> So my question to you "John Shocked" is do you actually believe what you are
>>> writing or are you doing this just to provoke a response?
>>Read my posts. And understand.
> You're STILL obsessing about homosexuality, John? You and "trotsky" need to
> see if you can get a group rate discount from a shrink.
BSG writers and producers are obsessing on Sodomy. However, this is not from some sort of mental deficiency,
but rather because they are being paid serious dirty cash money by Hollywood Homosexuals to take the BSG
production in this direction, in order to sell Sodomy to you and your kids.
Politics
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145915 ] |
Fr, 07 Oktober 2005 20:01 |
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"FDR" <_remove_spam_block_rzitka [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:lTx1f.28266$Xl2.14550 [at] twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Mdp1f.26818$lq6.8059 [at] fed1read01...
>> "Mark Plows" <mplows [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:HwZFe.5018$d02.659712 [at] news20.bellglobal.com...
>>> So my question to you "John Shocked" is do you actually believe what you are writing or are you doing this just to provoke a
>>> response?
>> Read my posts. And understand.
>>> Couldn't the prison break reference in Bastille Day be in reference to the French Napoleonic era prison, The Bastille and the
>>> prisoner's opinions that they were being held unjustly as was often the case in the Bastille in Paris, France? The fact that
>>> Apollo was pinned by prisoners doesn't necessarily have to be a homosexual act, perhaps it could just be that he was there, he
>>> had
>>> a gun and they wanted to stop him kicking the crap out of the jail breakers.
>> There is clear Oz HBO series prison homosexual rape symbolism in Bastille Day and Colonial Day episodes..
>>> The statement "The back door is open" in the episode "The Hand of God" could, and I know that this is highly theoretical and
>>> all,
>>> but perhaps it could just be a reference to the fact that the Vipers were attacking the base from the side of the asteroid
>>> facing
>>> AWAY from the refinery station.
>> It was a double entendre with the clear implication of Apollo making a homosexual rear entrance.
>> Similar to the order to him in the current Valley of Darkness episode in which Tigh
>> repeatedly orders Apollo to "proceed to Aft damage control".
>> Aft is another word for "rear" or "back" or "behind".
>> The script of this series is a total mockery of a science fiction show.
>> Over and over again the reference to Aft and Apollo is used in this episode.
>> And this is set up by an initial description of the invading boarding Cylons in the briefing between Tigh, Gaeta and the new XO:
>> "Where are the Cylons?"
>> "Looks like they split into two forces."
>> "One moving forward -- "
>> "and one moving aft."
>>
>> Sgt. Hadrian is given the responsibility to halt the Cylons advance in the forward direction,
>> and Tigh explicitly, over and over, gives Apollo the order to deal with the Cylons moving in the Aft (rear) direction.
>> These directions around the ship permeate the script, including the conversations President Roslin
>> has with the guard who releases her.
>>
>> Tigh orders Apollo: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control.
>> Maybe "aft damage control" is Tigh's way of telling Apollo to use a Condom when he takes
>> the rear/aft route in the future. Otherwise, "you can bet your ass/arse".
>>
>> Not sure where the persistent Apollo references to "head shots" fits into this double entendre context.
>>> Anyone could go on seeing homosexual references in just about anything if you try hard enough. My next question to you, Mr
>>> Shock,
>>> is this... Do you look for homosexuality in every facet of your life? This might be the foreshadowing of something ever present
>>> in
>>> the forefront of your mind. I wouldn't suggest that perhaps you are furiously trying to deny an aspect of your life that you
>>> feel
>>> ashamed of but your comments to bring to mind the quote "...the lady doth protest too much..." (Hamlet, Act 3, scene 2) comes to
>>> mind.
>> I look for the truth. I am just skilled at finding the truth.
>> BSG is supposed to be a Science Fiction series, but it is clear that the Hollywood Homosexuals in control
>> of it are so determined to sell Sodomy in the script that there is little room for anything else.
>> It is a mockery.
>> Politics
> John, what's your favorite color?
Not beige. Why ?
Politics
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145916 ] |
Fr, 07 Oktober 2005 20:10 |
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"Daedalus" <jade [at] my-deja.com> wrote in message news:3ubdk1deq9rvfumf0bmgd6v77hpkendv4k [at] 4ax.com...
> On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:12:31 -0700, "John Shocked"
> <jshocked [at] hotmail.com>, wrote:
>>I look for the truth. I am just skilled at finding the truth.
>>BSG is supposed to be a Science Fiction series, but it is clear that the Hollywood Homosexuals in control
>>of it are so determined to sell Sodomy in the script that there is little room for anything else.
>>It is a mockery.
>>Politics
> I'm glad I don't come to usenet to learn anything. ROTFL!
> Jade
You will likely not learn anything from BSG, if you already know a lot about Sodomy.
Come to this Newsgroup to learn the whole unadulterated truth about BSG.
==========================================================
Democracy depends on all citizens being aware of the facts which affect the issues and what is
clear is that there is a Hollywood Homosexual filter on the information which is available
for average citizens with which to make basic judgments about the biggest issues in the nation.
For instance, right now, we have the Jewish reporter Judith Miller being lionized as being a great fighter for the
right of the people to know the truth about the issues, who spent some time in jail recently because she would
not give the prosecutor investigating the criminal divulging of the name of an undercover CIA operative by
the White House the name of the source who committed that crime.
This undercover CIA operative, Valerie Plame, whose life was unnecessarily put in danger by this divulging,
was married to the former State dept worker and former Ambassador Joe Wilson, who performed an investigation
of the pre-war allegation that Iraq and Saddam Hussein were seeking nuclear weapon materials in Niger,
and declared that the allegations were false.
It is believed that the White House divulged his wife's name to spite Wilson and to shut him up,
while they continued to con the country into this disastrous Iraq Massacre mass murder.
This same reporter was responsible for many of the stories claiming weapons of mass destruction in Iraq which
turned out to be false. That is, she was a pro-war reporter, like Ted Koppel, and numerous others.
Thus, it is quite likely right now that there are people who consider what the US is doing in Iraq to be a serious
crime who are being conned by the Hollywood Homosexual news media machine into supporting this reporter,
because they simply are not being presented with the full set of crimes of which this reporter is guilty.
> There is nothing, not one single thing, in the Constitution of the
> United States, which guarantees that only things you agree with will
> be presented in the Press (including but not limited to TV, Radio, and the Internet.)
The US public must have access to all of the information available about all of the issues of public importance.
That is what the Fairness Doctrine guaranteed, since guys like me tend to speak up when a deception is going on
and would have petitioned the radio stations and tv stations involved in the deception on the issue of public importance
for the right to present the opposing viewpoint, with the facts which had been left out.
The US Congress and the US people control the airways over which the radio and TV stations broadcast and we have
the right to pass any laws to ensure the public has access to the core information necessary to run this democracy.
The Fairness Doctrine must be re-instated.
> You do have the right to start a newspaper, a website, or radio or
> television station to present your views. For that matter, you can
> have a cable access show. I'm not sure about fees and such, but based
> on the whack-jobs that I've seen on cable, they can't be much. (BTW,
> you can thank the ACLU for that, as they are one of the principal
> entities that have ensured over the years that cable access is pretty
> much not subject to prior restraint.)
> You left that part out of this weeks manifesto.
> And your attack on the ACLU is just silly.
What I say about the ACLU is the truth. You have to learn to think for yourself, analyze the issues they
are interested in generally and stop listening to Hollywood Homosexuals in Hollywood and the Press
talk about and praise themselves.
Politics
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145917 ] |
Fr, 07 Oktober 2005 20:16 |
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John Shocked wrote:
> "FDR" <_remove_spam_block_rzitka [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:lTx1f.28266$Xl2.14550 [at] twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Mdp1f.26818$lq6.8059 [at] fed1read01...
>>> "Mark Plows" <mplows [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:HwZFe.5018$d02.659712 [at] news20.bellglobal.com...
>>>> So my question to you "John Shocked" is do you actually believe what
>>>> you are writing or are you doing this just to provoke a response?
>>> Read my posts. And understand.
>
>>>> Couldn't the prison break reference in Bastille Day be in reference to
>>>> the French Napoleonic era prison, The Bastille and the prisoner's
>>>> opinions that they were being held unjustly as was often the case in
>>>> the Bastille in Paris, France? The fact that Apollo was pinned by
>>>> prisoners doesn't necessarily have to be a homosexual act, perhaps it
>>>> could just be that he was there, he had a gun and they wanted to stop
>>>> him kicking the crap out of the jail breakers.
>>> There is clear Oz HBO series prison homosexual rape symbolism in
>>> Bastille Day and Colonial Day episodes..
>
>>>> The statement "The back door is open" in the episode "The Hand of God"
>>>> could, and I know that this is highly theoretical and all,
>>>> but perhaps it could just be a reference to the fact that the Vipers
>>>> were attacking the base from the side of the asteroid facing
>>>> AWAY from the refinery station.
>>> It was a double entendre with the clear implication of Apollo making a
>>> homosexual rear entrance.
>>> Similar to the order to him in the current Valley of Darkness
>>> episode in which Tigh repeatedly orders Apollo to "proceed to Aft damage
>>> control". Aft is another word for "rear" or "back" or "behind".
>>> The script of this series is a total mockery of a science fiction show.
>>> Over and over again the reference to Aft and Apollo is used in this
>>> episode. And this is set up by an initial description of the invading
>>> boarding Cylons in the briefing between Tigh, Gaeta and the new XO:
>>> "Where are the Cylons?" "Looks like they split into two forces."
>>> "One moving forward -- "
>>> "and one moving aft."
>>>
>>> Sgt. Hadrian is given the responsibility to halt the Cylons advance in
>>> the forward direction, and Tigh explicitly, over and over, gives Apollo
>>> the order to deal with the Cylons moving in the Aft (rear) direction.
>>> These directions around the ship permeate the script, including the
>>> conversations President Roslin has with the guard who releases her.
>>>
>>> Tigh orders Apollo: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft
>>> damage control. Maybe "aft damage control" is Tigh's way of telling
>>> Apollo to use a Condom when he takes
>>> the rear/aft route in the future. Otherwise, "you can bet your
>>> ass/arse".
>>>
>>> Not sure where the persistent Apollo references to "head shots" fits
>>> into this double entendre context.
>
>>>> Anyone could go on seeing homosexual references in just about anything
>>>> if you try hard enough. My next question to you, Mr Shock,
>>>> is this... Do you look for homosexuality in every facet of your life?
>>>> This might be the foreshadowing of something ever present in
>>>> the forefront of your mind. I wouldn't suggest that perhaps you are
>>>> furiously trying to deny an aspect of your life that you feel
>>>> ashamed of but your comments to bring to mind the quote "...the lady
>>>> doth protest too much..." (Hamlet, Act 3, scene 2) comes to mind.
>>> I look for the truth. I am just skilled at finding the truth.
>>> BSG is supposed to be a Science Fiction series, but it is clear that the
>>> Hollywood Homosexuals in control of it are so determined to sell Sodomy
>>> in the script that there is little room for anything else. It is a
>>> mockery. Politics
>> John, what's your favorite color?
>
> Not beige. Why ?
>
Perhaps because of this...
http://www.cheerios.com/about/
Sodomy in a box?
--
Stephen Fairchild
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Fr, 07 Oktober 2005 21:06 |
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"John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BKy1f.35933$lq6.30435 [at] fed1read01...
> "FDR" <_remove_spam_block_rzitka [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:lTx1f.28266$Xl2.14550 [at] twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Mdp1f.26818$lq6.8059 [at] fed1read01...
>>> "Mark Plows" <mplows [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:HwZFe.5018$d02.659712 [at] news20.bellglobal.com...
>>>> So my question to you "John Shocked" is do you actually believe what
>>>> you are writing or are you doing this just to provoke a response?
>>> Read my posts. And understand.
>
>>>> Couldn't the prison break reference in Bastille Day be in reference to
>>>> the French Napoleonic era prison, The Bastille and the
>>>> prisoner's opinions that they were being held unjustly as was often the
>>>> case in the Bastille in Paris, France? The fact that
>>>> Apollo was pinned by prisoners doesn't necessarily have to be a
>>>> homosexual act, perhaps it could just be that he was there, he had
>>>> a gun and they wanted to stop him kicking the crap out of the jail
>>>> breakers.
>>> There is clear Oz HBO series prison homosexual rape symbolism in
>>> Bastille Day and Colonial Day episodes..
>
>>>> The statement "The back door is open" in the episode "The Hand of God"
>>>> could, and I know that this is highly theoretical and all,
>>>> but perhaps it could just be a reference to the fact that the Vipers
>>>> were attacking the base from the side of the asteroid facing
>>>> AWAY from the refinery station.
>>> It was a double entendre with the clear implication of Apollo making a
>>> homosexual rear entrance.
>>> Similar to the order to him in the current Valley of Darkness
>>> episode in which Tigh
>>> repeatedly orders Apollo to "proceed to Aft damage control".
>>> Aft is another word for "rear" or "back" or "behind".
>>> The script of this series is a total mockery of a science fiction show.
>>> Over and over again the reference to Aft and Apollo is used in this
>>> episode.
>>> And this is set up by an initial description of the invading boarding
>>> Cylons in the briefing between Tigh, Gaeta and the new XO:
>>> "Where are the Cylons?"
>>> "Looks like they split into two forces."
>>> "One moving forward -- "
>>> "and one moving aft."
>>>
>>> Sgt. Hadrian is given the responsibility to halt the Cylons advance in
>>> the forward direction,
>>> and Tigh explicitly, over and over, gives Apollo the order to deal with
>>> the Cylons moving in the Aft (rear) direction.
>>> These directions around the ship permeate the script, including the
>>> conversations President Roslin
>>> has with the guard who releases her.
>>>
>>> Tigh orders Apollo: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft
>>> damage control.
>>> Maybe "aft damage control" is Tigh's way of telling Apollo to use a
>>> Condom when he takes
>>> the rear/aft route in the future. Otherwise, "you can bet your
>>> ass/arse".
>>>
>>> Not sure where the persistent Apollo references to "head shots" fits
>>> into this double entendre context.
>
>>>> Anyone could go on seeing homosexual references in just about anything
>>>> if you try hard enough. My next question to you, Mr Shock,
>>>> is this... Do you look for homosexuality in every facet of your life?
>>>> This might be the foreshadowing of something ever present in
>>>> the forefront of your mind. I wouldn't suggest that perhaps you are
>>>> furiously trying to deny an aspect of your life that you feel
>>>> ashamed of but your comments to bring to mind the quote "...the lady
>>>> doth protest too much..." (Hamlet, Act 3, scene 2) comes to
>>>> mind.
>>> I look for the truth. I am just skilled at finding the truth.
>>> BSG is supposed to be a Science Fiction series, but it is clear that the
>>> Hollywood Homosexuals in control
>>> of it are so determined to sell Sodomy in the script that there is
>>> little room for anything else.
>>> It is a mockery.
>>> Politics
>> John, what's your favorite color?
>
> Not beige. Why ?
That's not an answer. What's your favorite color? It's simple.
>
> Politics
>
>
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145923 ] |
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On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Teh Wraith wrote:
>
> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Mdp1f.26818$lq6.8059 [at] fed1read01...
> >... it is clear that the Hollywood Homosexuals in control
> > of it are so determined to sell Sodomy in the script that there is little
> > room for anything else.
> > It is a mockery.
>
>
> Ok... I can buy all that to a certain extent. There are certainly a lot of
> *Agenda* driven homosexuals, just as there are people of any "sexuality".
>
> But explain this to me.
>
> Why, after every episode of BSG, do I feel myself wanting to fuck the hell
> out of Starbuck, Boomer, and Six? Let's not forget that juicy comm officer,
> and President Roslyn too. The five of them and me... the possiblities are
> endless.
>
> So if BSG wants me to engage in sodomy... why am I still wanting the femmes
> in the show? Hmm? The "Psychic Sodomizer" must not be working properly...
You're actually a girl pretending to be a guy.
--
Jim Phillips, jay pee aitch eye el el eye pee at bee see pee ell dot net
"I would bring up Ann Coulter's comment about blowing up the New York
Times...there's a lot of hateful, violent rhetoric that spews from the
Right. The Left is snide and sarcastic, the Right is dangerous and
violent." -- Dan Savage
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"Jim Phillips" <jphillip [at] bcpl.net> wrote in message
news:Pine.SOL.3.96.1051007082210.14950L-100000 [at] mail...
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> You're nothing if not entertaining, John.
'John Shocked' lost its entertainment value a good thousand posts ago.
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145933 ] |
Sa, 08 Oktober 2005 01:53 |
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On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:12:31 -0700, "John Shocked"
<jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
>Aft is another word for "rear" or "back" or "behind".
And a naval term for rear, back, or following end - stemming from the
word 'after'.
Learn the language if you want to argue the usage of it.
>The script of this series is a total mockery of a science fiction show.
>Over and over again the reference to Aft and Apollo is used in this episode.
Or he could have meant go to aft damage control. Lemme ask you this,
what instruction would you give to accomplish the same goal? There is
no word for aft, back, or rear that can't be intrepeted as a double
entendre for one's posterior.
>And this is set up by an initial description of the invading boarding Cylons in the briefing between Tigh, Gaeta and the new XO:
>"Where are the Cylons?"
>"Looks like they split into two forces."
>"One moving forward -- "
>"and one moving aft."
Meaning one group headed to the forward end of the ship, another group
headed to the back (aft) of the ship.
>Sgt. Hadrian is given the responsibility to halt the Cylons advance in the forward direction,
>and Tigh explicitly, over and over, gives Apollo the order to deal with the Cylons moving in the Aft (rear) direction.
>These directions around the ship permeate the script, including the conversations President Roslin
>has with the guard who releases her.
Maybe Apollo was closer to that attack force than the one in the fore
of the vessel?
You're reaching.
>Tigh orders Apollo: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control.
>Maybe "aft damage control" is Tigh's way of telling Apollo to use a Condom when he takes
>the rear/aft route in the future. Otherwise, "you can bet your ass/arse".
Or maybe it means 'go to the compartment in the aft end of the ship
where damage control functions are accomplished.' Were you to be
given the same order on a Naval vessel during a crisis, whould you
tell the officer who gave you said order to spout his homosexual
agenda at someone else?
>Not sure where the persistent Apollo references to "head shots" fits into this double entendre context.
Or maybe he means 'shoot them in the head.'?
>I look for the truth. I am just skilled at finding the truth.
>BSG is supposed to be a Science Fiction series, but it is clear that the Hollywood Homosexuals in control
>of it are so determined to sell Sodomy in the script that there is little room for anything else.
>It is a mockery.
Simply unmitigated bullshit. If these are the best sort of examples
you can provide as proof, you need to go back to the drawing board.
You can't prove a thing with them.
There are no clear double meanings here. Look at the context, every
mention of the word 'aft' is in the context of the vessel. Tighe is
speaking like a naval office directing a counter assault on his
vessel.
>
>Politics
>
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145936 ] |
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"Dennis Kemmerer" <dk [at] suespammers.org> wrote in message news:O%B1f.4687$Zs3.1923 [at] newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
> "Jim Phillips" <jphillip [at] bcpl.net> wrote in message news:Pine.SOL.3.96.1051007082210.14950L-100000 [at] mail...
>> You're nothing if not entertaining, John.
> 'John Shocked' lost its entertainment value a good thousand posts ago.
Who is trying to be entertaining.
I just tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may.
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<pbowles [at] aol.com> wrote in message news:1121913576.881981.91930 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>Wrong. Conservative indicates "less intrusive government in people's lives"
> http://www.answers.com/topic/conservatism?method=6
> "1. The inclination, especially in politics, to maintain the existing
> or traditional order.
> 2. A political philosophy or attitude emphasizing respect for
> traditional institutions, distrust of government activism, and
> opposition to sudden change in the established order."
> Philip Bowles
Again, quoting a standard dictionary is not scholarship.
If you want to find a simple answer, at least seek a Glossary associated with the
subject matter you are concerned about:
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http://www.nelson.com/nelson/polisci/glossary.html
conservatism A political ideology generally characterized by a belief in individualism
and minimal government intervention in the economy and society; also a belief in the
virtue of the status quo and general acceptance of traditional morality.
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http://www.ee.bilkent.edu.tr/~ge301/polideologies.txt
RIGHT VS. LEFT
The traditional political spectrum places people on a line somewhere
between "left" and "right." These terms originated with the seating
arrangements of the French Assembly in the 1790s, where the monarchists
sat on the right, and the republicans on the left. In current usage,
especially in the US, left is generally associated with liberalism and
right with conservatism.
This page on teaching the political spectrum includes a diagram of the
traditional political spectrum, and includes summaries of liberal and
conservative viewpoints.
http://www.lahapkido.com/teach.html
Left-wing or leftist are:
"General descriptive terms for any of several otherwise quite varied
political ideologies (socialism, communism, social democracy, welfare
statism, contemporary American liberalism, some versions of anarchism,,
etc.) that join in denouncing the extent of economic and social
inequality in the present order of society and advocate the adoption of
vigorous public policies to reduce or eliminate these inequalities"
http://www.auburn.edu/~johnspm/gloss/left-wing.html
Right-wing or rightist is:
"A general descriptive term for any of several otherwise rather
different, conservative, reactionary or fascist political ideologies, the
common denominator of which is their qualified or enthusiastic support
for the main features of the current social and economic order, accepting
all (or nearly all) of its inequalities of wealth, status and privilege
(or even in some cases support for a return to an earlier, even more
inegalitarian and hierarchical political-economic order.)"
http://www.auburn.edu/~johnspm/gloss/right-wing.html
This page lists some of the differences between the left and right in the
US, as taken from the Left Guide and the Right Guide, which drew
conclusions about the general characteristics after performing a survey
of organizations.
http://nj.npri.org/nj98/03/left_right.htm
If you aren't sure what your political ideology is, you can take the
World's Smallest Political Quiz, which places you on a diamond-shaped
political spectrum (rather than the standard left/right straight line).
Bear in mind that it is a libertarian quiz. Still, it's a good tool for
helping you to determine roughly where you fit.
http://www.self-gov.org/wspq.html
LIBERALISM VS. CONSERVATISM
Liberalism
The term liberalism has a different meaning in Europe than in the US. In
Europe, liberalism refers to a 19th century political ideology which is
partially concerned with removing inhibitions on the capitalist economy,
while in the US it has come to mean an ideology that advocates a stronger
regulatory role for government, while still advocating civil liberties
and progressive values.
http://www.auburn.edu/~johnspm/gloss/liberalism.html
According to this European definition of liberalism:
"The word liberal is derived from the Latin liber, free, and up to the
end of the eighteenth century signified only 'worthy of a free man', so
that people spoke of 'liberal arts', 'liberal occupations'. Later the
term was applied also to those qualities of intellect and of character,
which were considered an ornament becoming those who occupied a higher
social position on account of their wealth and education. Thus liberal
got the meaning of intellectually independent, broad-minded, magnanimous,
frank, open, and genial. Again Liberalism may also mean a political
system or tendency opposed to centralization and absolutism."
The definition of liberalism is followed by short descriptions of several
different kinds of liberalism.
http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/dissent/defnlibr.htm
This liberalism FAQ provides a clearer and more concise definition of
liberalism as it is generally meant today (and in the US), and answers
questions about the differences between liberalism and socialism and what
liberals believe. The liberal view of war, according to this FAQ, is as
follows:
"Some liberals model their beliefs after Mahatma Gandhi, in that they are
absolute pacifists, renouncing violence for any reason. However, most
liberals see a legitimate need for self-defense, even on a national level
with armed forces. The fight against Hitler is a commonly cited example.
But liberals are united in their view that offensive military operations
are wrong."
http://www.9-11peace.org/r2.php3?r=122
This is a list of some US-based liberal organizations.
http://www.9-11peace.org/r2.php3?r=123
Conservatism
Conservatism is generally used to mean:
"A general preference for the existing order of society and an opposition
to all efforts to bring about rapid or fundamental change in that order.
Conservative ideologies characteristically strive to show that existing
economic and political inequalities are well justified and that the
existing order is about as close as is practically attainable to an ideal
order. Conservative ideologies most often base their claims on the
teachings of religion and traditional morality and tend to downplay the
reliability of purely rational or deductive social theories propounded by
secular philosophers, economists, and other social thinkers."
http://www.auburn.edu/~johnspm/gloss/conservatism.html
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Politics
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"Stephen Fairchild" <somebody [at] somewhere.com> wrote in message news:cIGdnQwbdMTuJtveRVnytQ [at] pipex.net...
> John Shocked wrote:
>> "FDR" <_remove_spam_block_rzitka [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:lTx1f.28266$Xl2.14550 [at] twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>>> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Mdp1f.26818$lq6.8059 [at] fed1read01...
>>>> "Mark Plows" <mplows [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:HwZFe.5018$d02.659712 [at] news20.bellglobal.com...
>>>>> So my question to you "John Shocked" is do you actually believe what
>>>>> you are writing or are you doing this just to provoke a response?
>>>> Read my posts. And understand.
>>>>> Couldn't the prison break reference in Bastille Day be in reference to
>>>>> the French Napoleonic era prison, The Bastille and the prisoner's
>>>>> opinions that they were being held unjustly as was often the case in
>>>>> the Bastille in Paris, France? The fact that Apollo was pinned by
>>>>> prisoners doesn't necessarily have to be a homosexual act, perhaps it
>>>>> could just be that he was there, he had a gun and they wanted to stop
>>>>> him kicking the crap out of the jail breakers.
>>>> There is clear Oz HBO series prison homosexual rape symbolism in
>>>> Bastille Day and Colonial Day episodes..
>>>>> The statement "The back door is open" in the episode "The Hand of God"
>>>>> could, and I know that this is highly theoretical and all,
>>>>> but perhaps it could just be a reference to the fact that the Vipers
>>>>> were attacking the base from the side of the asteroid facing
>>>>> AWAY from the refinery station.
>>>> It was a double entendre with the clear implication of Apollo making a
>>>> homosexual rear entrance.
>>>> Similar to the order to him in the current Valley of Darkness
>>>> episode in which Tigh repeatedly orders Apollo to "proceed to Aft damage
>>>> control". Aft is another word for "rear" or "back" or "behind".
>>>> The script of this series is a total mockery of a science fiction show.
>>>> Over and over again the reference to Aft and Apollo is used in this
>>>> episode. And this is set up by an initial description of the invading
>>>> boarding Cylons in the briefing between Tigh, Gaeta and the new XO:
>>>> "Where are the Cylons?" "Looks like they split into two forces."
>>>> "One moving forward -- "
>>>> "and one moving aft."
>>>> Sgt. Hadrian is given the responsibility to halt the Cylons advance in
>>>> the forward direction, and Tigh explicitly, over and over, gives Apollo
>>>> the order to deal with the Cylons moving in the Aft (rear) direction.
>>>> These directions around the ship permeate the script, including the
>>>> conversations President Roslin has with the guard who releases her.
>>>> Tigh orders Apollo: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft
>>>> damage control. Maybe "aft damage control" is Tigh's way of telling
>>>> Apollo to use a Condom when he takes
>>>> the rear/aft route in the future. Otherwise, "you can bet your
>>>> ass/arse".
>>>> Not sure where the persistent Apollo references to "head shots" fits
>>>> into this double entendre context.
>>>>> Anyone could go on seeing homosexual references in just about anything
>>>>> if you try hard enough. My next question to you, Mr Shock,
>>>>> is this... Do you look for homosexuality in every facet of your life?
>>>>> This might be the foreshadowing of something ever present in
>>>>> the forefront of your mind. I wouldn't suggest that perhaps you are
>>>>> furiously trying to deny an aspect of your life that you feel
>>>>> ashamed of but your comments to bring to mind the quote "...the lady
>>>>> doth protest too much..." (Hamlet, Act 3, scene 2) comes to mind.
>>>> I look for the truth. I am just skilled at finding the truth.
>>>> BSG is supposed to be a Science Fiction series, but it is clear that the
>>>> Hollywood Homosexuals in control of it are so determined to sell Sodomy
>>>> in the script that there is little room for anything else. It is a
>>>> mockery. Politics
>>> John, what's your favorite color?
>> Not beige. Why ?
> Perhaps because of this...
> http://www.cheerios.com/about/
> Sodomy in a box?
> Stephen Fairchild
No idea to what you refer.
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"David Johnston" <rgorman [at] telusplanet.net> wrote in message
news:4294f4f0.6799754 [at] news.telusplanet.net...
> On Wed, 25 May 2005 20:08:33 -0700, "John Shocked"
> <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Everyone here but the sheep knows that there is Organized
> >opposition to my statements here. People are not just
> >'popping up' by chance to oppose my statements.
> >They have a job here and they collaborate obviously.
> >In addition, when it is clear they are losing the debate as
> >they are overwhelmed by superior arguments and facts,
> >their response is to self-censor and not respond to my
> >messages.
> >This is not normal behavior for average and
> >random people who just 'happened to show up' at this
> >Newsgroup to talk about the BSG series.
> Sure it is. You're an annoying asshole babbling nonsense.
> That leads to everyone either opposing you or ignoring you.
Really. More truth:
Third in a series of pieces telling the truth about corruption in the entertainment business.
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Subtle symbolisms and imagery in movies to elicit a particular subliminal effect is nothing new. Usually, the
source of these symbolisms is cash money paid to the producers to advertise a specific product such as Reese's
Pieces in E.T. or a car, or a generic product like cigarettes and cell phones. The term used to describe the
insertion of these images into a movie is "Product Placement". Product placements by wealthy fatcat Hollywood
Homosexual Neo-Conservatives of images that support the prime two pronged Hollywood Homosexual Neo-Conservative
agenda are common: Sodomy and Anti-Arab Hate.
Hollywood Homosexual Neo-Conservatives are generally like regular Conservatives in that they oppose the Left
groups like the Poor, Blacks, Unions (heck, they do not even film their movies in the US anymore, cheating
their unions and blacks out of work). However they differ from regular Conservatives in that Hollywood
Homosexuals Neo-Conservatives Hate and want to murder all Arabs and they Love Sodomy.
Numerous movies have been released out of Hollywood which characterize the Arabs as the terrorists in the
Middle East when the fact is that Israel is the country in 1948 who began the terrorism with State-sponsored
massacres of 100's of men, women and children in townships like Yassin, which were led by Menachem Begin, who
was later elected Prime Minister by the people of Israel.
Indiana Jones movies even blur the difference between Arabs and Nazis. Arabs are constantly characterized as
dishonest, dishonorable and the instigators of violence and terrorism. Movies about the Holocaust from
Hollywood have come to represent a coy and deceitful method for Hollywood to exhort the US to support Israel in
its bid to exterminate and subjugate all Arabs in the Middle East. What is new especially over the past 15
years has been a huge increase in the frequency and overtness of Homosexual agenda propaganda in the movies
coming out of Hollywood, with the obvious intent of selling Sodomy to you and your kids.
The Battlestar Galactica (BSG) series has numerous symbolisms of Homosexuality promotion in its script and
visuals.
And it is working. The Neo-Conservatives have been successful twice in demonizing Iraq, a country which never
was an enemy of the US, in US and generating support for the 1991 Gulf War and the current Iraq War and
occupation, which so far has cost innocent 100,000 Iraqi lives. And while the US public is still voting
overwhelmingly against the homosexual agenda, there has been slight increase in support within the country for
their agenda. More people, perhaps your Son, now consider Sodomy to be just another life choice.
Statistics show that if your child has an early exposure to a homosexual experience he likely will never return
to heterosexuality.
Product Placements of all types should be illegal and it is time that Washington, D.C. addressed this issue.
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Product Placement
Lance Kinney University of Alabama and Barry Sapolsky Florida State University
Product or brand placement is a form of advertising in which brand name products, packages, signs and corporate
names are intentionally positioned in motion pictures and television programs. Placement can be in the form of
verbal mentions in dialogue, actual use by a character, visual displays such as a corporate logo on a vehicle
or billboard, brands used as set decoration, or even snatches of actual radio or television commercials.
Commercials may even be specially developed for use in a specific film, as in the case of Ramses Condoms in
Lethal Weapon 2. Product placement has been referred to as stealth advertising, yet not all placements are
subtle and unobtrusive; advertisers pay to have their brands noticed.
During the early decades of the film industry, Hollywood largely avoided the appearance of known product names
in movies. Thus, instances of product placement in motion pictures were rare until the 1970's. But by then
propmasters and set decorators achieved cost savings and realism by obtaining name-brand props from
manufacturers. What began as a matter of convenience soon blossomed into a formal industry. Studios created
product placement departments and product placement specialists scanned scripts looking for placement
opportunities. Companies such as Associated Film Promotions established warehouses of products at the ready for
showcasing in films.
During television's infancy advertisers sponsored entire programs such as Camel Caravan and the Kraft
Television Theater. Agencies also had a hand in the production of many shows. Product appearance and use was
often blatant. Prompted by the strong hand advertisers had in programming, as well as "under- the-table"
payments made in exchange for on-air displays, the Federal Communications Commission enacted so- called "payola
laws" in the late 1950s. Today, product placement on television is regulated by FCC rules. Paid placements are
not permitted unless the featured brand is listed as a sponsor. However, brands may appear if they are donated
or if they are used for realistic effect. Theatrical films aired on TV are excluded from FCC rules on product
placement, as are cable and first-run syndication programs.
Product placement in motion pictures received a boost from the unanticipated success of Reese's Pieces
following its appearance in E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial. The film, released in 1982, prominently featured
Reese's Pieces candy. While the brand was available prior to the film's release, appearance in the film is
credited with stimulating a 65% sales increase. M&M/Mars had been approached first about a scene in which E.T.
is coaxed out of hiding by a trail of candy. In a major blunder M&M/Mars declined the opportunity. Ray-Ban
sunglasses experienced a 55% gain in sales following prominent use by Tom Cruise in 1983's Risky Business.
Similar success stories for other brands firmly established the importance of product placement.
The use of feature films as a strategy for introducing new products has grown increasingly sophisticated. Savvy
marketers now build elaborate marketing communication plans cross-promoting films and brands. For example, BMW
used 1995's GoldenEye, a film in the successful James Bond series, as an integrated element for introducing a
new model, the BMW 328i. It was judged the most successful promotion of 1995. Apple Computers used a similar
strategy with its laptop line in 1996's Mission: Impossible. As successful marketing efforts incorporating
motion pictures continue to mount, the casual use of brands as props will diminish. While current practice does
not require filmmakers to identify brands placed in films, viewers can reasonably assume that prominently
featured brands have offered some compensation or other consideration in exchange for the appearance.
Brand placement may begin with one of several parties. Studio representatives, aware of script development, may
approach brand marketers or their advertising agencies pitching the film and its placement opportunities. Films
produced outside of the Hollywood studio system might also pursue this route. Alternatively, marketers
interested in brand placement might contract with an agent to represent their brands to studios and producers.
What is common among these groups is that scripts are developed, selected for production and then reviewed for
placement potential. Scripts may then be forwarded to placement agents or advertising agencies where brand
marketers assess the placement in terms of their marketing strategies. Should the marketer wish to proceed,
negotiations are undertaken regarding payment, availability, merchandising opportunities, and promotion of the
placement and film. Different rates are charged for placement, depending on whether a brand is mentioned in
dialogue, is used by a "star," or is used by other characters. An industry trade group, Entertainment
Resources & Marketing Association, operates as an information clearinghouse and works to advance the
professionalism and growth of the brand placement industry.
Brand placement offers marketers several advantages over other advertising media, especially cost efficient
communication. Over the life of a film, including its theatrical run, premium cable appearances, other
televised broadcasts and home video rental, cost-per-thousand exposures continues to decrease, eventually
declining to mere pennies on the dollar. Brands are also featured in a clutter-free environment devoid of
competitive messages. Films can be selected that target consumers who may be difficult to reach with more
conventional advertising methods. Nearly three-fourths of the audience for theatrical films is 16-39 years old,
a group highly prized by advertisers. Associating brands with particular actors, films or contexts allows the
marketer to associate a brand with congruent lifestyle or usage situations. Tobacco is banned and alcohol
brands have voluntarily refrained from advertising in the broadcast media. Films offer these brands the full
sight, sound, and motion capabilities they do not have access to in radio and television. Finally, product
placements are one means for overcoming the all-to-common problem of advertising avoidance via zipping, zapping
and muting.
Perhaps most important to the marketer is the captive nature of the audience. In terms of communication
potential, the theatrical situation is ideal. Viewers are seated in a dark theater facing the screen with few
other distracting stimuli. Brands are featured to fullest effect in naturalistic contexts readily understood by
viewers.
Marketers do give up some control in a placement situation. For example, scenes featuring a brand may not
appear in the final theatrical version of a film, or scenes may be edited to accommodate television broadcasts.
Also, each placement entails some risk. With conventional advertising methods, marketers can demand guarantees
regarding audience size (of course, in the case of theatrical films, there are no ratings or other estimates of
audience size). Should the vehicle underperform, advertisers can demand makegoods. If a film fails, there may
be no similar opportunity. This last pitfall is potentially disastrous if the marketer has built a
comprehensive campaign strategy around the film. Similarly, other placement support strategies in the retail
and distribution channels are jeopardized if a film does not open as scheduled.
One matter of concern to commercial television is the potential conflict between a program's advertisers and
the brands that appear within a program. Coca-Cola would not, for instance, want to sponsor a movie or show in
which a character is found using Pepsi. Moreover, commercial television networks may be adverse to selling
brand placements for fear that marketers might shy away from more conventional broadcast advertising.
Brand placement success is often assessed with case studies and anecdotal evidence. There are few academic
studies detailing the specific communication effects associated with brand placement strategies. Published
research has shown only a marginal increase in brand recall from product placement and little change in
attitude toward the brand. While some new brands have been successfully launched with placement strategies,
many brands featured in films are already familiar to viewers. In this case, placement may best serve as a
means of maintaining visibility and top-of-mind awareness among target markets. Placement may be successful in
terms of developing or strengthening brand preference, or viewers might perceive the brand to be endorsed by
the star.
Two other important media concepts, reach and frequency, are more difficult to quantify. If many people view a
theatrical film through any outlet, reach may be high, especially among specific target groups. Generating
frequency may be more difficult, unless a film is viewed several times. If a brand is featured more than once
in a single film vehicle, frequency can be generated. Other media strategies may offer better frequency
opportunities than brand placement. In the case of a television, a product featured in multiple episodes of a
series will offer an opportunity to generate frequency.
The variety of films and their content can impact brand placement possibilities. For example, films depicting
earlier historical periods will offer less placement potential than films depicting contemporary times. One
area of product placement research has focused on the frequency with which branded products are featured in
films. Frequently observed product categories include automobiles, fast foods and other snack items, alcoholic
beverages and soft drinks. Tobacco brands are also found to appear regularly in feature films.
Studies of television programming have shown that branded products appear most often in news programming and
situation comedies. The most commonly appearing products include automobiles, foods and corporations.
From the perspective of the placement agent, successful placements provide client brands with national exposure
opportunities that minimize price while maximizing screen time. Another important concern is film theme or
content. Many brands may be reluctant to associate with violent or overly dramatic material. A particularly
important consideration is merchandising tie-ins. Many marketers seek to use the film to drive sales and
distribution strategies. This is riskier, given the fickle nature of the film audience and the potential for
release date delays.
Brand placement in feature films and other entertainment contexts has been criticized on aesthetic and public
policy grounds. Film critics suggest that brand placement compromises the artistic integrity of films. Many
contend that films have become little more than elaborate advertising vehicles used by marketers to showcase
brands. And, since marketers are more likely to prefer upbeat, positive contexts to promote brands, film
exploration of dramatic or controversial material could decline if studios rely more heavily on placement to
underwrite film production costs. Product placement professionals readily admit that the most important
placement execution characteristic is the product being portrayed in a favorable light. Product placement
agencies carefully distribute their products to studios and production companies with stipulations such as the
product not being shown in a negative way or not being used by a "bad guy."
Public policy critics maintain that brand placement is nothing more than subtle advertising, interjecting a
commercial message where no message is expected. These critics suggest that the selling message is more
powerful, given the relaxed state of the viewer. If a consumer does not expect to be sold, mechanisms for
evaluating sales messages might not be activated. Some policy groups have suggested that brand placements be
banned or identified in opening or closing credits. The Center for the Study of Commercialism proposed
petitioning the FTC (charged with regulating advertising) to force movie producers to run disclaimers
acknowledging paid product placements. As of this writing, no identification is required, although filmmakers
are free to note placements, if they wish to do so.
Another concern of placement critics is the prevalence of alcohol and tobacco brands in films. Current
broadcast regulations deny access to tobacco products; alcohol is absent from broadcast TV due to self-
regulation (beer and wine do appear in commercial broadcast channels.) Films offer these marketers their only
opportunity to portray these brands in a full usage situation. Criticism focuses on imagery portraying smoking
and drinking activities as common, powerful or seductive. Also, when films are broadcast on commercial
television outlets, brand placements allow tobacco marketers to circumvent broadcasting regulations, thereby
exposing the brand and its use to millions of viewers.
Brand placements are beginning to appear in contexts other than film, including music videos and video games.
As new technologies allow producers to develop fully-interactive environments, brand placement may be added.
For example, virtual reality technologies allowing participants to enter scenarios entirely controlled by
designers - an auto racing simulation, for example - could feature brands in realistic settings, such as
signage surrounding race tracks or on the simulated dash board of the vehicle. Designers of video games might
begin seeking support for their production efforts, as have filmmakers.
Brand placement in mediated contexts as a marketing communication strategy appears to be firmly entrenched.
Unless regulations are implemented to curtail such placements, the practice will likely continue. Brand agents
and studio marketing departments in search of revenue will need to avoid creating a new type of advertising
"clutter." Predicting hits and placing brands will always be risky propositions, but more and more advertisers
may find benefits in imbuing their brands with the aura of Hollywood.
Further Reading
Babin, L.A. and Carder, S.T. "Advertising via the box office: Is product placement effective?" Journal of
Promotion Management 3 (1/2), 31-51, 1996.
Kalinichenko, I. A. "Brand props in prime-time television programs: A content analysis." Unpublished Master's
Thesis. The University of Georgia. Athens, Georgia, 1998.
McCarthy, M. "Studios place, show and win: Product placement grows up." Brandweek, 30-32, 28 March, 1994.
Miller, M.C. Hollywood: The ad. Atlantic Monthly, 41-68, April, 1990.
Sapolsky, B.S. & Kinney, L. "You oughta be in pictures: Product placements in the top- grossing films of 1991."
Proceedings of the 1994 American Academy of Advertising Conference, K.W. King (ed.). Athens, GA: American
Academy of Advertising, 1994.
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145941 ] |
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"FDR" <_remove_spam_block_rzitka [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:zGz1f.28273$Xl2.10692 [at] twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:BKy1f.35933$lq6.30435 [at] fed1read01...
>> "FDR" <_remove_spam_block_rzitka [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:lTx1f.28266$Xl2.14550 [at] twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>>> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Mdp1f.26818$lq6.8059 [at] fed1read01...
>>>> "Mark Plows" <mplows [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:HwZFe.5018$d02.659712 [at] news20.bellglobal.com...
>>>>> So my question to you "John Shocked" is do you actually believe what you are writing or are you doing this just to provoke a
>>>>> response?
>>>> Read my posts. And understand.
>>>>> Couldn't the prison break reference in Bastille Day be in reference to the French Napoleonic era prison, The Bastille and the
>>>>> prisoner's opinions that they were being held unjustly as was often the case in the Bastille in Paris, France? The fact that
>>>>> Apollo was pinned by prisoners doesn't necessarily have to be a homosexual act, perhaps it could just be that he was there, he
>>>>> had
>>>>> a gun and they wanted to stop him kicking the crap out of the jail breakers.
>>>> There is clear Oz HBO series prison homosexual rape symbolism in Bastille Day and Colonial Day episodes..
>>>>> The statement "The back door is open" in the episode "The Hand of God" could, and I know that this is highly theoretical and
>>>>> all,
>>>>> but perhaps it could just be a reference to the fact that the Vipers were attacking the base from the side of the asteroid
>>>>> facing
>>>>> AWAY from the refinery station.
>>>> It was a double entendre with the clear implication of Apollo making a homosexual rear entrance.
>>>> Similar to the order to him in the current Valley of Darkness episode in which Tigh
>>>> repeatedly orders Apollo to "proceed to Aft damage control".
>>>> Aft is another word for "rear" or "back" or "behind".
>>>> The script of this series is a total mockery of a science fiction show.
>>>> Over and over again the reference to Aft and Apollo is used in this episode.
>>>> And this is set up by an initial description of the invading boarding Cylons in the briefing between Tigh, Gaeta and the new
>>>> XO:
>>>> "Where are the Cylons?"
>>>> "Looks like they split into two forces."
>>>> "One moving forward -- "
>>>> "and one moving aft."
>>>>
>>>> Sgt. Hadrian is given the responsibility to halt the Cylons advance in the forward direction,
>>>> and Tigh explicitly, over and over, gives Apollo the order to deal with the Cylons moving in the Aft (rear) direction.
>>>> These directions around the ship permeate the script, including the conversations President Roslin
>>>> has with the guard who releases her.
>>>>
>>>> Tigh orders Apollo: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control.
>>>> Maybe "aft damage control" is Tigh's way of telling Apollo to use a Condom when he takes
>>>> the rear/aft route in the future. Otherwise, "you can bet your ass/arse".
>>>>
>>>> Not sure where the persistent Apollo references to "head shots" fits into this double entendre context.
>>
>>>>> Anyone could go on seeing homosexual references in just about anything if you try hard enough. My next question to you, Mr
>>>>> Shock,
>>>>> is this... Do you look for homosexuality in every facet of your life? This might be the foreshadowing of something ever
>>>>> present in
>>>>> the forefront of your mind. I wouldn't suggest that perhaps you are furiously trying to deny an aspect of your life that you
>>>>> feel
>>>>> ashamed of but your comments to bring to mind the quote "...the lady doth protest too much..." (Hamlet, Act 3, scene 2) comes
>>>>> to
>>>>> mind.
>>>> I look for the truth. I am just skilled at finding the truth.
>>>> BSG is supposed to be a Science Fiction series, but it is clear that the Hollywood Homosexuals in control
>>>> of it are so determined to sell Sodomy in the script that there is little room for anything else.
>>>> It is a mockery.
>>>> Politics
>>> John, what's your favorite color?
>> Not beige. Why ?
>> Politics
> That's not an answer. What's your favorite color? It's simple.
You forget. I do not answer personal questions.
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145942 ] |
Sa, 08 Oktober 2005 07:45 |
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"John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4Rw1f.34316$lq6.16081 [at] fed1read01...
> "Teh Wraith" <ham_fisted [at] bun_vendor.net> wrote in message
> news:K6w1f.1021$D8.433 [at] okepread03...
>> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Mdp1f.26818$lq6.8059 [at] fed1read01...
>>>... it is clear that the Hollywood Homosexuals in control
>>> of it are so determined to sell Sodomy in the script that there is
>>> little room for anything else. It is a mockery.
>> Ok... I can buy all that to a certain extent. There are certainly a lot
>> of *Agenda* driven homosexuals, just as there are people of any
>> "sexuality".
>> But explain this to me.
>> Why, after every episode of BSG, do I feel myself wanting to fuck the
>> hell out of Starbuck, Boomer, and Six? Let's not forget that juicy comm
>> officer, and President Roslyn too. The five of them and me... the
>> possiblities are endless.
>> So if BSG wants me to engage in sodomy... why am I still wanting the
>> femmes in the show? Hmm? The "Psychic Sodomizer" must not be working
>> properly...
>> -Wraith-
>
> If you have read any of the accounts of prosecutions of homosexual
> pedophiles, perhaps
> the most common common denominator is the introduction of heterosexual
> pornography to your Son.
> That is how they generate interest in some sort of sexual behavior, before
> turning the tables
> with this horrific act that your Son never saw coming, and probably never
> heard of before.
> So subtle trickery is an extremely common component to the behavior of
> these people.
> So when you see them utilize trickery here on these Newsgroups, the same
> alarm bells should sound.
>
> Politics
>
Wow, man .... you're ....
REALLY F*CKING PARANOID, aren't you?
This is one of those "is that Joe McCarthy as himself, or is that a really
Godawful over-actor playing Joe McCarthy" situations.
Hide, John, hide. The Psychic Sodomizer (tm) is coming for YOUR UNSPOILED
A** NEXT! Run. Run! RUNNNNNN!!!!
But first, change into something less provocative.
-- Chazbot.
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145943 ] |
Sa, 08 Oktober 2005 07:51 |
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"John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cHy1f.35919$lq6.27835 [at] fed1read01...
> "Ubiquitous" <weberm [at] polaris.net> wrote in message
> news:T9-dnaaMKrX0O9veRVn-hw [at] giganews.com...
>> In article <Mdp1f.26818$lq6.8059 [at] fed1read01>, jshocked [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>>>"Mark Plows" <mplows [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> So my question to you "John Shocked" is do you actually believe what
>>>> you are
>>>> writing or are you doing this just to provoke a response?
>>>Read my posts. And understand.
>> You're STILL obsessing about homosexuality, John? You and "trotsky" need
>> to
>> see if you can get a group rate discount from a shrink.
>
> BSG writers and producers are obsessing on Sodomy. However, this is not
> from some sort of mental deficiency,
> but rather because they are being paid serious dirty cash money by
> Hollywood Homosexuals to take the BSG
> production in this direction, in order to sell Sodomy to you and your
> kids.
>
> Politics
>
>
Hey, John, here's a tip I discovered when I was running Black Ops in
Micronesia: the tinfoil hat picks up the signals much more clearly if you
make it a tinfoil MASK, and dip it in chloroform first.
Look out, John! There's a big, mean, horny sodomizer standing behind you
RIGHT NOW! Looking through my telescope, it's hard to be sure, but ... I
think he brought a tarp. Good luck to you, sir.
-- Chazbot.
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Sa, 08 Oktober 2005 08:16 |
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On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:12:31 -0700, "John Shocked"
<jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote ... mindless drivel
We know where you live and we are coming to sodomize you.
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145945 ] |
Sa, 08 Oktober 2005 08:33 |
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"Chazbot" <still [at] large.net> wrote in message news:H7J1f.1899$we3.1655 [at] newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:cHy1f.35919$lq6.27835 [at] fed1read01...
>> "Ubiquitous" <weberm [at] polaris.net> wrote in message news:T9-dnaaMKrX0O9veRVn-hw [at] giganews.com...
>>> In article <Mdp1f.26818$lq6.8059 [at] fed1read01>, jshocked [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>"Mark Plows" <mplows [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> So my question to you "John Shocked" is do you actually believe what you are
>>>>> writing or are you doing this just to provoke a response?
>>>>Read my posts. And understand.
>>> You're STILL obsessing about homosexuality, John? You and "trotsky" need to see if you can get a group rate discount from a
>>> shrink.
>> BSG writers and producers are obsessing on Sodomy. However, this is not from some sort of mental deficiency,
>> but rather because they are being paid serious dirty cash money by Hollywood Homosexuals to take the BSG
>> production in this direction, in order to sell Sodomy to you and your kids.
>> Politics
> Hey, John, here's a tip I discovered when I was running Black Ops in Micronesia: the tinfoil hat picks up the signals much more
> clearly if you make it a tinfoil MASK, and dip it in chloroform first.
> Look out, John! There's a big, mean, horny sodomizer standing behind you RIGHT NOW! Looking through my telescope, it's hard to be
> sure, but ... I think he brought a tarp. Good luck to you, sir.
> -- Chazbot.
Hope you enjoyed running your Black Ops game on your PC.
Did you mass murder a lot of Arabs/Moslems ?
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145946 ] |
Sa, 08 Oktober 2005 08:54 |
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"Kevin Kitching" <kitching1 [at] cox.net> wrote in message news:sn1ek1lqh1u8b04u8c5faphjmrp1oj88eg [at] 4ax.com...
> On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:12:31 -0700, "John Shocked"
> <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> [snip]
>>Aft is another word for "rear" or "back" or "behind".
> And a naval term for rear, back, or following end - stemming from the word 'after'.
> Learn the language if you want to argue the usage of it.
Sounds like you echoed what I already stated. Progress.
>>The script of this series is a total mockery of a science fiction show.
>>Over and over again the reference to Aft and Apollo is used in this episode.
> Or he could have meant go to aft damage control. Lemme ask you this,
> what instruction would you give to accomplish the same goal? There is
> no word for aft, back, or rear that can't be intrepeted as a double
> entendre for one's posterior.
Note that I talk both about a storyline and the script. This storyline was structured carefully
to present opportunities to the writer for just these very double entendres.
>>And this is set up by an initial description of the invading boarding Cylons in the briefing between Tigh, Gaeta and the new XO:
>>"Where are the Cylons?"
>>"Looks like they split into two forces."
>>"One moving forward -- "
>>"and one moving aft."
> Meaning one group headed to the forward end of the ship, another group
> headed to the back (aft) of the ship.
Exactly. All perfectly structured to present the opportunity to present Apollo as taking the Aft
Sodomy route. And again it is Tigh accusing Apollo of Sodomy.
And when Tigh says "You don't deserve to wear a uniform", you think he is talking about Sodomy or Sedition ?
When Tigh says in not so many words to Apollo: "you put a gun to my head",
and then Apollo starts talking throughout this episode of "head shots",
what do you think the writer is seeking to achieve ?
>>Sgt. Hadrian is given the responsibility to halt the Cylons advance in the forward direction,
>>and Tigh explicitly, over and over, gives Apollo the order to deal with the Cylons moving in the Aft (rear) direction.
>>These directions around the ship permeate the script, including the conversations President Roslin
>>has with the guard who releases her.
> Maybe Apollo was closer to that attack force than the one in the fore of the vessel?
> You're reaching.
>>Tigh orders Apollo: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control.
>>Maybe "aft damage control" is Tigh's way of telling Apollo to use a Condom when he takes
>>the rear/aft route in the future. Otherwise, "you can bet your ass/arse".
> Or maybe it means 'go to the compartment in the aft end of the ship
> where damage control functions are accomplished.' Were you to be
> given the same order on a Naval vessel during a crisis, whould you
> tell the officer who gave you said order to spout his homosexual
> agenda at someone else?
>>Not sure where the persistent Apollo references to "head shots" fits into this double entendre context.
> Or maybe he means 'shoot them in the head.'?
We need one of our resident homosexuals here fresh from trysts at the YMCA, bathhouse and the bushes off the highway,
to confirm the clear implication here that "head shots" and "put a gun to someone's head" are in fact terms used
by their brethren to describe specific homosex behavior.
It is pretty obvious what the implication is though, either way.
>>I look for the truth. I am just skilled at finding the truth.
>>BSG is supposed to be a Science Fiction series, but it is clear that the Hollywood Homosexuals in control
>>of it are so determined to sell Sodomy in the script that there is little room for anything else.
>>It is a mockery.
>>Politics
> Simply unmitigated bullshit. If these are the best sort of examples
> you can provide as proof, you need to go back to the drawing board.
> You can't prove a thing with them.
> There are no clear double meanings here. Look at the context, every
> mention of the word 'aft' is in the context of the vessel. Tigh is
> speaking like a naval officer directing a counter assault on his vessel.
Wrong, the whole storyline is structured to present these double entendres to promote Sodomy and
the science fiction content and intent of the script be darned, as far as BSG Hollywood Homosexuals are concerned.
BSG is a complete mockery of a Science Fiction TV series.
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145947 ] |
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"Kevin Kitching" <kitching1 [at] cox.net> wrote in message news:sn1ek1lqh1u8b04u8c5faphjmrp1oj88eg [at] 4ax.com...
> On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:12:31 -0700, "John Shocked"
> <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> [snip]
>>Aft is another word for "rear" or "back" or "behind".
> And a naval term for rear, back, or following end - stemming from the word 'after'.
> Learn the language if you want to argue the usage of it.
Sounds like you echoed what I already stated. Progress.
>>The script of this series is a total mockery of a science fiction show.
>>Over and over again the reference to Aft and Apollo is used in this episode.
> Or he could have meant go to aft damage control. Lemme ask you this,
> what instruction would you give to accomplish the same goal? There is
> no word for aft, back, or rear that can't be intrepeted as a double
> entendre for one's posterior.
Note that I talk both about a storyline and the script. This storyline was structured carefully
to present opportunities to the writer for just these very double entendres.
>>And this is set up by an initial description of the invading boarding Cylons in the briefing between Tigh, Gaeta and the new XO:
>>"Where are the Cylons?"
>>"Looks like they split into two forces."
>>"One moving forward -- "
>>"and one moving aft."
> Meaning one group headed to the forward end of the ship, another group
> headed to the back (aft) of the ship.
Exactly. All perfectly structured to present the opportunity to present Apollo as taking the Aft
Sodomy route. And again it is Tigh accusing Apollo of Sodomy.
And when Tigh says "You don't deserve to wear a uniform", you think he is talking about Sodomy or Sedition ?
When Tigh says in not so many words to Apollo: "you put a gun to my head",
and then Apollo starts talking throughout this episode of "head shots",
what do you think the writer is seeking to achieve ?
>>Sgt. Hadrian is given the responsibility to halt the Cylons advance in the forward direction,
>>and Tigh explicitly, over and over, gives Apollo the order to deal with the Cylons moving in the Aft (rear) direction.
>>These directions around the ship permeate the script, including the conversations President Roslin
>>has with the guard who releases her.
> Maybe Apollo was closer to that attack force than the one in the fore of the vessel?
> You're reaching.
Wrong. The false assumption of the writer and by many in Hollywood is that the Ancient Greeks were
heavily involved in homosexuality and that the Ancient Romans were not. Thus, this contrast between
Apollo (a Greek god) and Hadrian, a Roman Emperor who was emperor during the last years of Plutarch.
>>Tigh orders Apollo: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control.
>>Maybe "aft damage control" is Tigh's way of telling Apollo to use a Condom when he takes
>>the rear/aft route in the future. Otherwise, "you can bet your ass/arse".
> Or maybe it means 'go to the compartment in the aft end of the ship
> where damage control functions are accomplished.' Were you to be
> given the same order on a Naval vessel during a crisis, whould you
> tell the officer who gave you said order to spout his homosexual agenda at someone else?
I would tell the writer and producers of BSG to spout their Hollywood Homosexual agenda
amongst themselves.
>>Not sure where the persistent Apollo references to "head shots" fits into this double entendre context.
> Or maybe he means 'shoot them in the head.'?
We need one of our resident homosexuals here fresh from trysts at the YMCA, bathhouse and the bushes off the highway,
to confirm the clear implication here that "head shots" and "put a gun to someone's head" are in fact terms used
by their brethren to describe specific homosex behavior.
It is pretty obvious what the implication is though, either way.
>>I look for the truth. I am just skilled at finding the truth.
>>BSG is supposed to be a Science Fiction series, but it is clear that the Hollywood Homosexuals in control
>>of it are so determined to sell Sodomy in the script that there is little room for anything else.
>>It is a mockery.
>>Politics
> Simply unmitigated bullshit. If these are the best sort of examples
> you can provide as proof, you need to go back to the drawing board.
> You can't prove a thing with them.
> There are no clear double meanings here. Look at the context, every
> mention of the word 'aft' is in the context of the vessel. Tigh is
> speaking like a naval officer directing a counter assault on his vessel.
Wrong, the whole storyline is structured to present these double entendres to promote Sodomy and
the science fiction content and intent of the script be darned, as far as BSG Hollywood Homosexuals are concerned.
BSG is a complete mockery of a Science Fiction TV series.
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145950 ] |
Sa, 08 Oktober 2005 14:31 |
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"John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:L6H1f.40621$lq6.24944 [at] fed1read01...
> "FDR" <_remove_spam_block_rzitka [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:zGz1f.28273$Xl2.10692 [at] twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:BKy1f.35933$lq6.30435 [at] fed1read01...
>>> "FDR" <_remove_spam_block_rzitka [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:lTx1f.28266$Xl2.14550 [at] twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>>>> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:Mdp1f.26818$lq6.8059 [at] fed1read01...
>>>>> "Mark Plows" <mplows [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:HwZFe.5018$d02.659712 [at] news20.bellglobal.com...
>>>>>> So my question to you "John Shocked" is do you actually believe what
>>>>>> you are writing or are you doing this just to provoke a response?
>>>>> Read my posts. And understand.
>>>>>> Couldn't the prison break reference in Bastille Day be in reference
>>>>>> to the French Napoleonic era prison, The Bastille and the
>>>>>> prisoner's opinions that they were being held unjustly as was often
>>>>>> the case in the Bastille in Paris, France? The fact that
>>>>>> Apollo was pinned by prisoners doesn't necessarily have to be a
>>>>>> homosexual act, perhaps it could just be that he was there, he had
>>>>>> a gun and they wanted to stop him kicking the crap out of the jail
>>>>>> breakers.
>>>>> There is clear Oz HBO series prison homosexual rape symbolism in
>>>>> Bastille Day and Colonial Day episodes..
>>>>>> The statement "The back door is open" in the episode "The Hand of
>>>>>> God" could, and I know that this is highly theoretical and all,
>>>>>> but perhaps it could just be a reference to the fact that the Vipers
>>>>>> were attacking the base from the side of the asteroid facing
>>>>>> AWAY from the refinery station.
>>>>> It was a double entendre with the clear implication of Apollo making
>>>>> a homosexual rear entrance.
>>>>> Similar to the order to him in the current Valley of Darkness
>>>>> episode in which Tigh
>>>>> repeatedly orders Apollo to "proceed to Aft damage control".
>>>>> Aft is another word for "rear" or "back" or "behind".
>>>>> The script of this series is a total mockery of a science fiction
>>>>> show.
>>>>> Over and over again the reference to Aft and Apollo is used in this
>>>>> episode.
>>>>> And this is set up by an initial description of the invading boarding
>>>>> Cylons in the briefing between Tigh, Gaeta and the new XO:
>>>>> "Where are the Cylons?"
>>>>> "Looks like they split into two forces."
>>>>> "One moving forward -- "
>>>>> "and one moving aft."
>>>>>
>>>>> Sgt. Hadrian is given the responsibility to halt the Cylons advance in
>>>>> the forward direction,
>>>>> and Tigh explicitly, over and over, gives Apollo the order to deal
>>>>> with the Cylons moving in the Aft (rear) direction.
>>>>> These directions around the ship permeate the script, including the
>>>>> conversations President Roslin
>>>>> has with the guard who releases her.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tigh orders Apollo: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft
>>>>> damage control.
>>>>> Maybe "aft damage control" is Tigh's way of telling Apollo to use a
>>>>> Condom when he takes
>>>>> the rear/aft route in the future. Otherwise, "you can bet your
>>>>> ass/arse".
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure where the persistent Apollo references to "head shots" fits
>>>>> into this double entendre context.
>>>
>>>>>> Anyone could go on seeing homosexual references in just about
>>>>>> anything if you try hard enough. My next question to you, Mr Shock,
>>>>>> is this... Do you look for homosexuality in every facet of your life?
>>>>>> This might be the foreshadowing of something ever present in
>>>>>> the forefront of your mind. I wouldn't suggest that perhaps you are
>>>>>> furiously trying to deny an aspect of your life that you feel
>>>>>> ashamed of but your comments to bring to mind the quote "...the lady
>>>>>> doth protest too much..." (Hamlet, Act 3, scene 2) comes to
>>>>>> mind.
>>>>> I look for the truth. I am just skilled at finding the truth.
>>>>> BSG is supposed to be a Science Fiction series, but it is clear that
>>>>> the Hollywood Homosexuals in control
>>>>> of it are so determined to sell Sodomy in the script that there is
>>>>> little room for anything else.
>>>>> It is a mockery.
>>>>> Politics
>>>> John, what's your favorite color?
>>> Not beige. Why ?
>>> Politics
>> That's not an answer. What's your favorite color? It's simple.
>
> You forget. I do not answer personal questions.
No John, you are such a boring twit that you can't talk about anything else
but sosdomy. I gave you a cahnce by asking a very easy question, and you
can't even answer that. I feel sad for you that your whole life has become
looking for sodomy instead of just enjoying things.
It sucks to be you.
>
> Politics
>
>
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145952 ] |
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"John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:epK1f.43405$lq6.41872 [at] fed1read01...
> "Kevin Kitching" <kitching1 [at] cox.net> wrote in message
> news:sn1ek1lqh1u8b04u8c5faphjmrp1oj88eg [at] 4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:12:31 -0700, "John Shocked"
>> <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>> [snip]
>>>Aft is another word for "rear" or "back" or "behind".
>> And a naval term for rear, back, or following end - stemming from the
>> word 'after'.
>> Learn the language if you want to argue the usage of it.
>
> Sounds like you echoed what I already stated. Progress.
>
>>>The script of this series is a total mockery of a science fiction show.
>>>Over and over again the reference to Aft and Apollo is used in this
>>>episode.
>> Or he could have meant go to aft damage control. Lemme ask you this,
>> what instruction would you give to accomplish the same goal? There is
>> no word for aft, back, or rear that can't be intrepeted as a double
>> entendre for one's posterior.
>
> Note that I talk both about a storyline and the script. This storyline
> was structured carefully
> to present opportunities to the writer for just these very double
> entendres.
>
>>>And this is set up by an initial description of the invading boarding
>>>Cylons in the briefing between Tigh, Gaeta and the new XO:
>>>"Where are the Cylons?"
>>>"Looks like they split into two forces."
>>>"One moving forward -- "
>>>"and one moving aft."
>> Meaning one group headed to the forward end of the ship, another group
>> headed to the back (aft) of the ship.
>
> Exactly. All perfectly structured to present the opportunity to present
> Apollo as taking the Aft
> Sodomy route. And again it is Tigh accusing Apollo of Sodomy.
> And when Tigh says "You don't deserve to wear a uniform", you think he is
> talking about Sodomy or Sedition ?
> When Tigh says in not so many words to Apollo: "you put a gun to my head",
> and then Apollo starts talking throughout this episode of "head shots",
> what do you think the writer is seeking to achieve ?
>
>>>Sgt. Hadrian is given the responsibility to halt the Cylons advance in
>>>the forward direction,
>>>and Tigh explicitly, over and over, gives Apollo the order to deal with
>>>the Cylons moving in the Aft (rear) direction.
>>>These directions around the ship permeate the script, including the
>>>conversations President Roslin
>>>has with the guard who releases her.
>> Maybe Apollo was closer to that attack force than the one in the fore of
>> the vessel?
>> You're reaching.
>
> Wrong. The false assumption of the writer and by many in Hollywood is
> that the Ancient Greeks were
> heavily involved in homosexuality and that the Ancient Romans were not.
> Thus, this contrast between
> Apollo (a Greek god) and Hadrian, a Roman Emperor who was emperor during
> the last years of Plutarch.
>
>>>Tigh orders Apollo: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft
>>>damage control.
>>>Maybe "aft damage control" is Tigh's way of telling Apollo to use a
>>>Condom when he takes
>>>the rear/aft route in the future. Otherwise, "you can bet your
>>>ass/arse".
>> Or maybe it means 'go to the compartment in the aft end of the ship
>> where damage control functions are accomplished.' Were you to be
>> given the same order on a Naval vessel during a crisis, whould you
>> tell the officer who gave you said order to spout his homosexual agenda
>> at someone else?
>
> I would tell the writer and producers of BSG to spout their Hollywood
> Homosexual agenda
> amongst themselves.
>
>>>Not sure where the persistent Apollo references to "head shots" fits into
>>>this double entendre context.
>> Or maybe he means 'shoot them in the head.'?
>
> We need one of our resident homosexuals here fresh from trysts at the
> YMCA, bathhouse and the bushes off the highway,
> to confirm the clear implication here that "head shots" and "put a gun to
> someone's head" are in fact terms used
> by their brethren to describe specific homosex behavior.
> It is pretty obvious what the implication is though, either way.
>
>>>I look for the truth. I am just skilled at finding the truth.
>>>BSG is supposed to be a Science Fiction series, but it is clear that the
>>>Hollywood Homosexuals in control
>>>of it are so determined to sell Sodomy in the script that there is little
>>>room for anything else.
>>>It is a mockery.
>>>Politics
>> Simply unmitigated bullshit. If these are the best sort of examples
>> you can provide as proof, you need to go back to the drawing board.
>> You can't prove a thing with them.
>> There are no clear double meanings here. Look at the context, every
>> mention of the word 'aft' is in the context of the vessel. Tigh is
>> speaking like a naval officer directing a counter assault on his vessel.
>
> Wrong, the whole storyline is structured to present these double entendres
> to promote Sodomy and
> the science fiction content and intent of the script be darned, as far as
> BSG Hollywood Homosexuals are concerned.
> BSG is a complete mockery of a Science Fiction TV series.
>
> Politics
>
>
John's cukoo for coco-puffs.
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You're not a Bible Thumper are you?
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145959 ] |
Sa, 08 Oktober 2005 15:52 |
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Teh Wraith wrote:
> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Mdp1f.26818$lq6.8059 [at] fed1read01...
> >... it is clear that the Hollywood Homosexuals in control
> > of it are so determined to sell Sodomy in the script that there is little
> > room for anything else.
> > It is a mockery.
>
> Ok... I can buy all that to a certain extent. There are certainly a lot of
> *Agenda* driven homosexuals, just as there are people of any "sexuality".
>
> But explain this to me.
>
> Why, after every episode of BSG, do I feel myself wanting to fuck the hell
> out of Starbuck, Boomer, and Six? Let's not forget that juicy comm officer,
> and President Roslyn too. The five of them and me... the possiblities are
> endless.
President Roslyn???????
You mean Mary Connell?
Oh come on. She's not THAT good......
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145960 ] |
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Is this John guy suffering latent feelings?
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145961 ] |
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John Shocked wrote:
> "Ubiquitous" <weberm [at] polaris.net> wrote in message news:T9-dnaaMKrX0O9veRVn-hw [at] giganews.com...
> > In article <Mdp1f.26818$lq6.8059 [at] fed1read01>, jshocked [at] hotmail.com wrote:
> >>"Mark Plows" <mplows [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>> So my question to you "John Shocked" is do you actually believe what you are
> >>> writing or are you doing this just to provoke a response?
> >>Read my posts. And understand.
> > You're STILL obsessing about homosexuality, John? You and "trotsky" need to
> > see if you can get a group rate discount from a shrink.
>
> BSG writers and producers are obsessing on Sodomy. However, this is not from some sort of mental deficiency,
> but rather because they are being paid serious dirty cash money by Hollywood Homosexuals to take the BSG
> production in this direction, in order to sell Sodomy to you and your kids.
>
> Politics
You do realise men can sodomize women?
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control-- Tigh to Apollo [message #145970 ] |
So, 09 Oktober 2005 03:53 |
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Hey, that's nothing. Check this out:
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us
:)
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145972 ] |
So, 09 Oktober 2005 07:03 |
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"John" <sittingbythepool [at] internode.on.net> wrote in message news:4347CF90.4DCB7F9E [at] internode.on.net...
> John Shocked wrote:
>> "Ubiquitous" <weberm [at] polaris.net> wrote in message news:T9-dnaaMKrX0O9veRVn-hw [at] giganews.com...
>> > In article <Mdp1f.26818$lq6.8059 [at] fed1read01>, jshocked [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>> >>"Mark Plows" <mplows [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> So my question to you "John Shocked" is do you actually believe what you are
>> >>> writing or are you doing this just to provoke a response?
>> >>Read my posts. And understand.
>> > You're STILL obsessing about homosexuality, John? You and "trotsky" need to
>> > see if you can get a group rate discount from a shrink.
>> BSG writers and producers are obsessing on Sodomy. However, this is not from some sort of mental deficiency,
>> but rather because they are being paid serious dirty cash money by Hollywood Homosexuals to take the BSG
>> production in this direction, in order to sell Sodomy to you and your kids.
>> Politics
> You do realise men can sodomize women?
I talked about that a couple days ago. This is not regular or habitual behavior for heterosexuals.
Politics
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145974 ] |
So, 09 Oktober 2005 08:35 |
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"Daedalus" <jade [at] my-deja.com> wrote in message news:irbdk1hmtbcpvuresqj872g6qach58ca3p [at] 4ax.com...
> On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:52:19 -0700, "John Shocked"
> <jshocked [at] hotmail.com>, wrote:
>>"Teh Wraith" <ham_fisted [at] bun_vendor.net> wrote in message news:K6w1f.1021$D8.433 [at] okepread03...
>>> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Mdp1f.26818$lq6.8059 [at] fed1read01...
>>>>... it is clear that the Hollywood Homosexuals in control
>>>> of it are so determined to sell Sodomy in the script that there is little room for anything else. It is a mockery.
>>> Ok... I can buy all that to a certain extent. There are certainly a lot of *Agenda* driven homosexuals,
>>> just as there are people of any "sexuality".
>>> But explain this to me.
>>> Why, after every episode of BSG, do I feel myself wanting to fuck the hell out of Starbuck, Boomer, and Six?
>>> Let's not forget that juicy comm officer, and President Roslyn too. The five of them and me... the possiblities are endless.
>>> So if BSG wants me to engage in sodomy... why am I still wanting the femmes in the show? Hmm?
>>> The "Psychic Sodomizer" must not be working properly...
>>> -Wraith-
>>If you have read any of the accounts of prosecutions of homosexual pedophiles, perhaps
>>the most common common denominator is the introduction of heterosexual pornography to your Son.
>>That is how they generate interest in some sort of sexual behavior, before turning the tables
>>with this horrific act that your Son never saw coming, and probably never heard of before.
>>So subtle trickery is an extremely common component to the behavior of these people.
>>So when you see them utilize trickery here on these Newsgroups, the same alarm bells should sound.
>>Politics
> LOL! You're so fucking dumb it's embarrassing. Lemme guess, another
> dipshit that doesn't know the difference between homosexuality and pedophilia.
> Jade
A disproportionately high proportion of pedophiles are homosexuals.
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http://traditionalvalues.org/urban/one.php
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Homosexual Urban Legends -- The Series...
Homosexuals claim that "heterosexuals" molest most children but statistics show that homosexuals molest at
far higher rates than do heterosexuals. Rev. Paul Shanley, a retired Catholic priest was arrested on May
4, 2002 in San Diego on three counts of child rape. Shanley had a history of molesting boys that went back
to 1967. He was at the founding meeting of the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) and while
in San Diego operated a bed & breakfast for homosexuals in Palm Springs. Shanley has openly called for
"man-boy" love.
David Carlton Nurmi, was arrested in Florida on April 26, 2002, for possession of child pornography and
for molesting a 15-year-old boy.
Geoffrey Cornish, a well-respected Solana Beach, California therapist was sentenced to 23 years in prison
in September, 2001 for sexually molesting boys who came to him for therapy. Cornish, who is HIV-positive,
was also a coach for the Torrey Pines High School surf team. Cornish told police he had been molested
himself by a Boy Scout leader for three years when he was living in England.
James Edward Sanders, a homosexual child molester, was arrested in New Mexico in December, 2001 for
sexually abusing a 7-year-old boy. Police also discovered child pornography in Sanders' home.
Christopher Reardon, a homosexual, former youth minister, and Boy Scout leader was sentenced to 40-50
years in prison in the Summer of 2001 for raping, molesting, and disseminating pornography to 29 boys
under his care. These are only a few of the homosexual child molestation cases to hit the news during
2001-02. Virtually every week, newspapers detail more cases involving homosexuals who have sexually
assaulted children under their care. New York Post Exposes High Rate Of Teacher/Student Molestations In a
story not widely publicized in the mainstream press, the New York Post published a story in its July 30,
2001 edition about the secret epidemic of homosexual child abuse cases that go unreported in New York
City's public schools.
The report, "Secret Shame Of Our Schools: Sexual Abuse Of Students Runs Rampant," by Douglas Montero, is
the result of an analysis of 117 cases of sexual abuse between January 1999 and June 2001. Sixty percent
of those accused of sexual abuse were transferred to desk jobs inside the school district. Forty percent
of those transferred suspects were repeat sex offenders.
The report noted that out of the 117 cases, 212 children were victims. In 45% of the cases, the sex
offender attacked more than one student. In nearly 16% of the cases, school officials delayed or tried to
cover up the sexual molestations. The average victim is a 15-year-old girl and 75% of the victims were
girls. According to the report, "Nearly 20 percent of the offenders are homosexuals and in most of these
cases, the attack led to a sexual relationship with the stu- dent." The report also discovered that the
Board of Education investigated another 347 substantiated sex abuse cases between January 2000 and July
20, 2001. Adding the 117 cases with the 327, it appears that at least one child is sexually abused each
day by a school employee-and 20% of these molestations against children are done by homosexuals!
Homosexuals Molest Children At A Far Higher Rate Than Heterosexuals
Homosexuals account for only 1-2% of our population based on current surveys. The National Opinion
Research Center in 1992 found that 2.8% of men and 1.4% of women identified themselves as "homosexual" or
"bisexual. A 1995 survey of 18-49-year-old men published by the Journal of Sex Research indicated that
2.6% of them had engaged in homosexual sex within the prior 12 months; 4% had had homosexual sex within
the past five years. In other words, at least 98-99% of our population is heterosexual in orientation.
Homosexual activists routinely claim that most child molesters are "heterosexual" males, thus shifting the
focus away from their own very high rates of molestation. Since 98-99% of the population is heterosexual,
it is technically correct to say that most molestations are done by heterosexuals. However, statistics
indicate that homosexuals pose a far more serious threat to children than do heterosexuals.
For example: In 1987, Dr. Stephen Rubin of Whitman College conducted a ten-state study of sex abuse cases
involving school teachers. He studied 199 cases. Of those, 122 male teachers had molested girls, while 14
female teachers had molested boys. He also discovered that 59 homosexual male teachers had molested boys
and four female homosexual teachers had molested girls. In other words, 32 percent of those child
molestation cases involved homosexuals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the
population.
Dr. Judith Reisman, in her book, Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences, describes the research done by Dr. Gene
Abel. This researcher compared the molestation rates of self-confessed homosexual and heterosexual child
molesters. In a sample of 153 homosexual molesters, they confessed to a total of 22,981 molestations. This
is equivalent to 150 children per molester. Self-admitted heterosexual molesters admitted to 4,435
molestations. This comes to 19.8 victims per molester. Dr. Abel concluded that homosexuals "sexually
molest young boys at an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than the molestation of
girls."
This high rate of molestations by homosexuals is consistent with other studies conducted during the past
several decades. Here are just a few studies that show homosexuals molesting children at epidemic rates:
The Los Angeles Times conducted a survey in 1985 of 2,628 adults across the U.S. Of those, 27% of the
women and 16% of the men had been sexually molested. Seven percent of the girls and 93% of the men had
been molested by adults of the same sex. This means that 40% of child molestations were by homosexuals.
(Los Angeles Times, August 25-6, 1985) In 1984, a Vermont survey of 161 adolescents who were sex offenders
found that 35 of them were homosexuals (22%). (Wasserman, J., "Adolescent Sex Offenders-Vermont, 1984"
Journal American Medical Association, 1986; 255:181-2)
In 1991, of the 100 child molesters at the Massachusetts Treatment Center for Sexually Dangerous Persons,
a third were heterosexual, a third were bisexual, and a third were homosexual. (Dr. Raymond Knight,
"Differential Prevalence of Personality Disorders in Rapists and Child Molesters," Eastern Psychological
Association Conference, New York, April 12, 1991) Drs. Freund and Heasman of the Clark Institute of
Psychiatry in Toronto reviewed two studies on child molesters and calculated that 34% and 32% of the sex
offenders were homosexual. In cases these doctors had handled, 36% of the molesters were homosexuals.
(Freund, K. "Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality," Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy, 1984;
10:193-200)
From these studies and many more, it is evident that homosexuals molest children at a far greater rate
than do their heterosexual counterparts. While they comprise only 1-2% of the population, they are
responsible for upwards of a third or more of all sexual molestations of children. Exposing The
Homosexual/Pedophile Link Homosexuals seldom openly admit that they want to sexually assault children, but
their literature and their actions tell another story. In the January 1-8, 2001 issue of The Weekly
Standard, author Mary Eberstadt exposed the clear link between homosexual activism and the growing North-
American Man- Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) movement. Writing in "'Pedophilia Chic' Reconsidered: The
taboo against sex with children continues to erode," Eberstadt notes:
The reason why the public is being urged to reconsider boy pedophilia is that this 'question,' settled
though it may be in the opinions and laws of the rest of the country, is demonstrably not yet settled
within certain parts of the gay rights movement. The more that movement has entered the mainstream, the
more this 'question' has bubbled forth from that previously distant realm in the public square.
Eberstadt notes that the book, Male Inter-Generational Intimacy: Historical, Socio-Psychological, and
Legal Perspectives edited by pedophile Edward Brongersma is currently available in the "gay/lesbian"
sections of bookstores like Borders. This book, which openly promotes pedophilia, was first published in
the Journal of Homosexuality in 1990. The Journal is edited by John DeCecco, a psychologist at San
Francisco State University. DeCecco is a board member of the Dutch pedophile journal, Paidika. The
homosexual magazine Guide published a pro-pedophile editorial in its July, 1995 issue. In referring to
pedophiles as "prophets" of sexual freedom, the Guide editorialist wrote: "We must listen to our prophets.
Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including
children's sexuality. . . . Surrounded by pious moralists with deadening anti-sexual rules, we must be
shameless rulebreakers, demonstrating our allegiance to a higher concept of love. We must do it for the
children's sake."
Parents are correct to be concerned about homosexuals sexually assaulting their children. The Boy Scouts
of America, for example, is right to prohibit homosexuals from membership or leadership positions. It is
evident from the statistical evidence and news reports of child molestation cases, that homosexuals pose a
clear and present danger to children. Our laws and social policies should protect children, not cater to
the whims and sexual desires of sexual predators. We must oppose homosexual activism "for the children's
sake."
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145975 ] |
So, 09 Oktober 2005 09:11 |
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"FDR" <_remove_spam_block_rzitka [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:N%O1f.28381$Xl2.25106 [at] twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:epK1f.43405$lq6.41872 [at] fed1read01...
>> "Kevin Kitching" <kitching1 [at] cox.net> wrote in message news:sn1ek1lqh1u8b04u8c5faphjmrp1oj88eg [at] 4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:12:31 -0700, "John Shocked"
>>> <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>>Aft is another word for "rear" or "back" or "behind".
>>> And a naval term for rear, back, or following end - stemming from the word 'after'.
>>> Learn the language if you want to argue the usage of it.
>> Sounds like you echoed what I already stated. Progress.
>>>>The script of this series is a total mockery of a science fiction show.
>>>>Over and over again the reference to Aft and Apollo is used in this episode.
>>> Or he could have meant go to aft damage control. Lemme ask you this,
>>> what instruction would you give to accomplish the same goal? There is
>>> no word for aft, back, or rear that can't be intrepeted as a double
>>> entendre for one's posterior.
>> Note that I talk both about a storyline and the script. This storyline was structured carefully
>> to present opportunities to the writer for just these very double entendres.
>>>>And this is set up by an initial description of the invading boarding Cylons in the briefing between Tigh, Gaeta and the new XO:
>>>>"Where are the Cylons?"
>>>>"Looks like they split into two forces."
>>>>"One moving forward -- "
>>>>"and one moving aft."
>>> Meaning one group headed to the forward end of the ship, another group
>>> headed to the back (aft) of the ship.
>> Exactly. All perfectly structured to present the opportunity to present Apollo as taking the Aft
>> Sodomy route. And again it is Tigh accusing Apollo of Sodomy.
>> And when Tigh says "You don't deserve to wear a uniform", you think he is talking about Sodomy or Sedition ?
>> When Tigh says in not so many words to Apollo: "you put a gun to my head",
>> and then Apollo starts talking throughout this episode of "head shots",
>> what do you think the writer is seeking to achieve ?
>>>>Sgt. Hadrian is given the responsibility to halt the Cylons advance in the forward direction,
>>>>and Tigh explicitly, over and over, gives Apollo the order to deal with the Cylons moving in the Aft (rear) direction.
>>>>These directions around the ship permeate the script, including the conversations President Roslin
>>>>has with the guard who releases her.
>>> Maybe Apollo was closer to that attack force than the one in the fore of the vessel?
>>> You're reaching.
>> Wrong. The false assumption of the writer and by many in Hollywood is that the Ancient Greeks were
>> heavily involved in homosexuality and that the Ancient Romans were not. Thus, this contrast between
>> Apollo (a Greek god) and Hadrian, a Roman Emperor who was emperor during the last years of Plutarch.
>>>>Tigh orders Apollo: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control.
>>>>Maybe "aft damage control" is Tigh's way of telling Apollo to use a Condom when he takes
>>>>the rear/aft route in the future. Otherwise, "you can bet your ass/arse".
>>> Or maybe it means 'go to the compartment in the aft end of the ship
>>> where damage control functions are accomplished.' Were you to be
>>> given the same order on a Naval vessel during a crisis, whould you
>>> tell the officer who gave you said order to spout his homosexual agenda at someone else?
>> I would tell the writer and producers of BSG to spout their Hollywood Homosexual agenda amongst themselves.
>>>>Not sure where the persistent Apollo references to "head shots" fits into this double entendre context.
>>> Or maybe he means 'shoot them in the head.'?
>> We need one of our resident homosexuals here fresh from trysts at the YMCA, bathhouse and the bushes off the highway,
>> to confirm the clear implication here that "head shots" and "put a gun to someone's head" are in fact terms used
>> by their brethren to describe specific homosex behavior.
>> It is pretty obvious what the implication is though, either way.
>>>>I look for the truth. I am just skilled at finding the truth.
>>>>BSG is supposed to be a Science Fiction series, but it is clear that the Hollywood Homosexuals in control
>>>>of it are so determined to sell Sodomy in the script that there is little room for anything else.
>>>>It is a mockery.
>>>>Politics
>>> Simply unmitigated bullshit. If these are the best sort of examples
>>> you can provide as proof, you need to go back to the drawing board.
>>> You can't prove a thing with them.
>>> There are no clear double meanings here. Look at the context, every
>>> mention of the word 'aft' is in the context of the vessel. Tigh is
>>> speaking like a naval officer directing a counter assault on his vessel.
>> Wrong, the whole storyline is structured to present these double entendres to promote Sodomy and
>> the science fiction content and intent of the script be darned, as far as BSG Hollywood Homosexuals are concerned.
>> BSG is a complete mockery of a Science Fiction TV series.
>> Politics
> John's cuckoo for coco-puffs.
Sounds like another advertisement for this time a cereal product. Stop selling product here.
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"Chazbot" <still [at] large.net> wrote in message news:K1J1f.1898$we3.1700 [at] newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4Rw1f.34316$lq6.16081 [at] fed1read01...
>> "Teh Wraith" <ham_fisted [at] bun_vendor.net> wrote in message news:K6w1f.1021$D8.433 [at] okepread03...
>>> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Mdp1f.26818$lq6.8059 [at] fed1read01...
>>>>... it is clear that the Hollywood Homosexuals in control
>>>> of it are so determined to sell Sodomy in the script that there is little room for anything else. It is a mockery.
>>> Ok... I can buy all that to a certain extent. There are certainly a lot of *Agenda* driven homosexuals, just as there are
>>> people of any "sexuality".
>>> But explain this to me.
>>> Why, after every episode of BSG, do I feel myself wanting to fuck the hell out of Starbuck, Boomer, and Six? Let's not forget
>>> that juicy comm officer, and President Roslyn too. The five of them and me... the possiblities are endless.
>>> So if BSG wants me to engage in sodomy... why am I still wanting the femmes in the show? Hmm? The "Psychic Sodomizer" must
>>> not be working properly...
>>> -Wraith-
>> If you have read any of the accounts of prosecutions of homosexual pedophiles, perhaps
>> the most common common denominator is the introduction of heterosexual pornography to your Son.
>> That is how they generate interest in some sort of sexual behavior, before turning the tables
>> with this horrific act that your Son never saw coming, and probably never heard of before.
>> So subtle trickery is an extremely common component to the behavior of these people.
>> So when you see them utilize trickery here on these Newsgroups, the same alarm bells should sound.
>> Politics
> Wow, man .... you're ....
> REALLY F*CKING PARANOID, aren't you?
> This is one of those "is that Joe McCarthy as himself, or is that a really Godawful over-actor playing Joe McCarthy" situations.
> Hide, John, hide. The Psychic Sodomizer (tm) is coming for YOUR UNSPOILED A** NEXT! Run. Run! RUNNNNNN!!!!
> But first, change into something less provocative.
> -- Chazbot.
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The V-chip code should have a specific code to identify Sodomy or any kind of homosexual kissing etc.
Parents should be able to specifically block homosexuality representations and symbolisms from their household.
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"Natalie Clifford Barney" <SalonHostess [at] 20RueJacob.fr> wrote in message news:42AD9474.2444709F [at] 20RueJacob.fr...
> I think that the only way to resolve this issue is to convene a House Committee
> on Un-Heterosexual Affairs, bring witnesses, demand names of pinkies and
> fellow travelers to clean out the rainbow stain on our government.
> Known gay sympathizers could be blacklisted, those outside of the
> country could have their passports pulled and denied return. The Hayes code
> could be resurrected and strengthened.
> Then a Senate committee could be convened for the same purpose..they could
> investigate the armed services too, for presence of the rainbows and it could
> be televised.
> Perhaps they could get a senator from Wisconsin again to chair it.....
> > ===============================================
The MPAA (Motion Pictures Association of America ) adopted the
Hays/Production Code in 1930 and started to enforce it in 1934.
They finally abandoned it for good in 1967.
Will H. Hays headed the MPAA during this period and was previously the
campaign manager for President Warren Harding and former
Chairman of the Republican National Committee.
As the name of the organization implies, the Hays Code was adopted by the
American movie studios and thus the US government or local governments
were not involved and the Code did not apply to foreign movies.
The other problem was that since the government was not involved in it was voluntary
although records indicate that it was adhered to fairly up until the 1960's.
Thus, when in the 1950's the studios were forced to sell and relinquish control
of theatres, any foreign or independent product could violate the code and
sell to the prurient interest.
The F.C.C. needs to be involved only in banning certain specific content.
It then would be up to the studios to pick from the remaining millions of
subject matters to decide what they want to put into their movies.
http://www.artsreformation.com/a001/hays-code.html
[Joe McCarthy did not come onto the scene with the House Un-American
Activities Committee until the 1950's and I doubt that committee involved
itself with anything other than pursuing Communists.]
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| Re: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control -- Tigh to Apollo [message #145977 ] |
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"FDR" <_remove_spam_block_rzitka [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:P_O1f.28380$Xl2.8002 [at] twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:L6H1f.40621$lq6.24944 [at] fed1read01...
>> "FDR" <_remove_spam_block_rzitka [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:zGz1f.28273$Xl2.10692 [at] twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>>> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:BKy1f.35933$lq6.30435 [at] fed1read01...
>>>> "FDR" <_remove_spam_block_rzitka [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:lTx1f.28266$Xl2.14550 [at] twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>>>>> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Mdp1f.26818$lq6.8059 [at] fed1read01...
>>>>>> "Mark Plows" <mplows [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:HwZFe.5018$d02.659712 [at] news20.bellglobal.com...
>>>>>>> So my question to you "John Shocked" is do you actually believe what you are writing or are you doing this just to provoke a
>>>>>>> response?
>>>>>> Read my posts. And understand.
>>>>>>> Couldn't the prison break reference in Bastille Day be in reference to the French Napoleonic era prison, The Bastille and
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> prisoner's opinions that they were being held unjustly as was often the case in the Bastille in Paris, France? The fact that
>>>>>>> Apollo was pinned by prisoners doesn't necessarily have to be a homosexual act, perhaps it could just be that he was there,
>>>>>>> he had
>>>>>>> a gun and they wanted to stop him kicking the crap out of the jail breakers.
>>>>>> There is clear Oz HBO series prison homosexual rape symbolism in Bastille Day and Colonial Day episodes..
>>>>>>> The statement "The back door is open" in the episode "The Hand of God" could, and I know that this is highly theoretical and
>>>>>>> all,
>>>>>>> but perhaps it could just be a reference to the fact that the Vipers were attacking the base from the side of the asteroid
>>>>>>> facing
>>>>>>> AWAY from the refinery station.
>>>>>> It was a double entendre with the clear implication of Apollo making a homosexual rear entrance.
>>>>>> Similar to the order to him in the current Valley of Darkness episode in which Tigh
>>>>>> repeatedly orders Apollo to "proceed to Aft damage control".
>>>>>> Aft is another word for "rear" or "back" or "behind".
>>>>>> The script of this series is a total mockery of a science fiction show.
>>>>>> Over and over again the reference to Aft and Apollo is used in this episode.
>>>>>> And this is set up by an initial description of the invading boarding Cylons in the briefing between Tigh, Gaeta and the new
>>>>>> XO:
>>>>>> "Where are the Cylons?"
>>>>>> "Looks like they split into two forces."
>>>>>> "One moving forward -- "
>>>>>> "and one moving aft."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sgt. Hadrian is given the responsibility to halt the Cylons advance in the forward direction,
>>>>>> and Tigh explicitly, over and over, gives Apollo the order to deal with the Cylons moving in the Aft (rear) direction.
>>>>>> These directions around the ship permeate the script, including the conversations President Roslin has with the guard who
>>>>>> releases her.
>>>>>> Tigh orders Apollo: Take your men and proceed without delay to aft damage control.
>>>>>> Maybe "aft damage control" is Tigh's way of telling Apollo to use a Condom when he takes the rear/aft route in the future.
>>>>>> Otherwise, "you can bet your ass/arse".
>>>>>> Not sure where the persistent Apollo references to "head shots" fits into this double entendre context.
>>>>>>> Anyone could go on seeing homosexual references in just about anything if you try hard enough. My next question to you, Mr
>>>>>>> Shock,
>>>>>>> is this... Do you look for homosexuality in every facet of your life? This might be the foreshadowing of something ever
>>>>>>> present in
>>>>>>> the forefront of your mind. I wouldn't suggest that perhaps you are furiously trying to deny an aspect of your life that you
>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>> ashamed of but your comments to bring to mind the quote "...the lady doth protest too much..." (Hamlet, Act 3, scene 2)
>>>>>>> comes to mind.
>>>>>> I look for the truth. I am just skilled at finding the truth.
>>>>>> BSG is supposed to be a Science Fiction series, but it is clear that the Hollywood Homosexuals in control
>>>>>> of it are so determined to sell Sodomy in the script that there is little room for anything else.
>>>>>> It is a mockery.
>>>>>> Politics
>>>>> John, what's your favorite color?
>>>> Not beige. Why ?
>>>> Politics
>>> That's not an answer. What's your favorite color? It's simple.
>> You forget. I do not answer personal questions.
> No John, you are such a boring twit that you can't talk about anything else but sosdomy. I gave you a cahnce by asking a very
> easy question, and you can't even answer that. I feel sad for you that your whole life has become looking for sodomy instead of
> just enjoying things.
> It sucks to be you.
>> Politics
Tell us why the script and storyline of BSG should be corrupted with a constant attempt by
Hollywood Homosexuals to sell Sodomy to you and your kids.
Inquiring minds would like to know.
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"John" <sittingbythepool [at] internode.on.net> wrote in message news:4347D012.B51AC14D [at] internode.on.net...
> You're not a Bible Thumper are you?
I have no interest in religion.
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Again, quoting a standard dictionary is not scholarship.
If you want to find a simple answer, at least seek a Glossary associated with the
subject matter you are concerned about:
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http://www.nelson.com/nelson/polisci/glossary.html
conservatism A political ideology generally characterized by a belief in individualism
and minimal government intervention in the economy and society; also a belief in the
virtue of the status quo and general acceptance of traditional morality.
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http://www.ee.bilkent.edu.tr/~ge301/polideologies.txt
RIGHT VS. LEFT
The traditional political spectrum places people on a line somewhere between "left" and "right." These terms
originated with the seating arrangements of the French Assembly in the 1790s, where the monarchists sat on the
right, and the republicans on the left. In current usage, especially in the US, left is generally associated with
liberalism and right with conservatism.
This page on teaching the political spectrum includes a diagram of the traditional political spectrum, and
includes summaries of liberal and conservative viewpoints.
http://www.lahapkido.com/teach.html
Left-wing or leftist are:
"General descriptive terms for any of several otherwise quite varied political ideologies (socialism, communism,
social democracy, welfare statism, contemporary American liberalism, some versions of anarchism,, etc.) that join
in denouncing the extent of economic and social inequality in the present order of society and advocate the
adoption of vigorous public policies to reduce or eliminate these inequalities"
http://www.auburn.edu/~johnspm/gloss/left-wing.html
Right-wing or rightist is:
"A general descriptive term for any of several otherwise rather different, conservative, reactionary or fascist
political ideologies, the common denominator of which is their qualified or enthusiastic support for the main
features of the current social and economic order, accepting all (or nearly all) of its inequalities of wealth,
status and privilege (or even in some cases support for a return to an earlier, even more inegalitarian and
hierarchical political-economic order.)"
http://www.auburn.edu/~johnspm/gloss/right-wing.html
This page lists some of the differences between the left and right in the US, as taken from the Left Guide and
the Right Guide, which drew conclusions about the general characteristics after performing a survey of
organizations.
http://nj.npri.org/nj98/03/left_right.htm
If you aren't sure what your political ideology is, you can take the World's Smallest Political Quiz, which
places you on a diamond-shaped political spectrum (rather than the standard left/right straight line). Bear in
mind that it is a libertarian quiz. Still, it's a good tool for helping you to determine roughly where you fit.
http://www.self-gov.org/wspq.html
LIBERALISM VS. CONSERVATISM
Liberalism The term liberalism has a different meaning in Europe than in the US. In Europe, liberalism refers to
a 19th century political ideology which is partially concerned with removing inhibitions on the capitalist
economy, while in the US it has come to mean an ideology that advocates a stronger regulatory role for
government, while still advocating civil liberties and progressive values.
http://www.auburn.edu/~johnspm/gloss/liberalism.html
According to this European definition of liberalism:
"The word liberal is derived from the Latin liber, free, and up to the end of the eighteenth century signified
only 'worthy of a free man', so that people spoke of 'liberal arts', 'liberal occupations'. Later the term was
applied also to those qualities of intellect and of character, which were considered an ornament becoming those
who occupied a higher social position on account of their wealth and education. Thus liberal got the meaning of
intellectually independent, broad-minded, magnanimous, frank, open, and genial. Again Liberalism may also mean a
political system or tendency opposed to centralization and absolutism."
The definition of liberalism is followed by short descriptions of several different kinds of liberalism.
http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/dissent/defnlibr.htm
This liberalism FAQ provides a clearer and more concise definition of liberalism as it is generally meant today
(and in the US), and answers questions about the differences between liberalism and socialism and what liberals
believe. The liberal view of war, according to this FAQ, is as follows:
"Some liberals model their beliefs after Mahatma Gandhi, in that they are absolute pacifists, renouncing violence
for any reason. However, most liberals see a legitimate need for self-defense, even on a national level with
armed forces. The fight against Hitler is a commonly cited example. But liberals are united in their view that
offensive military operations are wrong."
http://www.9-11peace.org/r2.php3?r=122
This is a list of some US-based liberal organizations.
http://www.9-11peace.org/r2.php3?r=123
Conservatism
Conservatism is generally used to mean:
"A general preference for the existing order of society and an opposition to all efforts to bring about rapid or
fundamental change in that order. Conservative ideologies characteristically strive to show that existing
economic and political inequalities are well justified and that the existing order is about as close as is
practically attainable to an ideal order. Conservative ideologies most often base their claims on the teachings
of religion and traditional morality and tend to downplay the reliability of purely rational or deductive social
theories propounded by secular philosophers, economists, and other social thinkers."
http://www.auburn.edu/~johnspm/gloss/conservatism.html
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