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Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #137710]

So, 25 September 2005 07:38

John Shocked

"manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:ecGdnR3LheOpaKjeRVn-qA [at] rogers.com...
> Stephen Fairchild wrote:
>> John Shocked wrote:
> [snip]
>> John, John. He had her up that way around just to annoy *you*. :)
> Plus..., if you check out the new DVD bonus features, Jamie Bamber quotes an email from a fan woh explicitly requests a gay
> relationship on the show.

Sounds like Bamber is referring to the homosexual lobby which has been aggressively campaigning
for homosexual characters to be cast specifically in science fiction TV series for the past 20 years.
They finally gained control of the Star Trek series at the end of 1991 when Gene Roddenberry died
and Hollywood Homosexual Rick Berman took over and started that Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
genderbending trill "Old Man Dax" inside woman Terry Farrell Jadzia's body Sodomy crap.

> BTW, I've now seen the miniseries and the first six eps of S1, and the sex seems totally hetero...
> C.

You deserve the truth.

============================================================ ==========
I reprise some of the facts here:

1) This Battlestar Galactica series seems to have a continuing Homosexual
agenda and determination to sell Homosexuality to the masses, by hook or by
crook. Back in the 3rd episode (Bastille Day) the whole Zerak relationship was
the producers trying to put Apollo and Zerak in bed together.

The producers feinted with a heterosexual rape, then hit their true target
which was to show Apollo being dragged to the ground face down in an Oz- like
prison attack. Throughout this episode there is verbal imagery of Apollo
"choosing sides". That is, choosing the homosexual lifestyle.

Oz (1997-2003) was a prison based TV series shown on HBO (homosexual dominated
US premium station) which was which regularly showed prison homosexual rape
and sex.

Bastille Day is known in Europe to be a major celebratory day for European
homosexuals. Apparently, in the next episode, Zerak returns and you better
believe that the producers will be determined to reestablish and develop the
possible Homosexual relationship between Apollo and Zerak.

Why do you think that the statements "You Can Bet Your Ass (arse)" and "The Back Door
is Open" when such prominent parts of this weeks script (The Hand Of God),
both in reference to Apollo ?

So if you do not want to be sold Homosexuality by this series or if you have
kids you do not want to be sold Homosexuality by this series, watch out.

2) Again in the Colonial Day episode the Battlestar producers show us the side
of Apollo they showed us in episode 3 Bastille Day: Apollo being pulled down to
the ground face down, sunny side up in an Oz-like grappling with another man.
It should be clear now to everyone watching this series that there is a pattern
in showing these Oz-like scenes where it appears that Apollo is about to be
raped by another man. The producers of this series are desperate to show at the
very least the symbolism of Sodomy in the series. It is very important to them.
In addition, in the grappling with this other man is a freeze frame in which
Apollo and this same man are arm in arm, as if walking down the street or from
the altar, man and man.

3) In the BSG last episode of the season, Kobol's Last Gleaming Part II, the
Hollywood Homosexuals in control of BSG were able to crowbar yet another
Homosexual Rape symbolism scene into the show in the scene in which Boomer is
approached and surrounded by what appears to be around 5 semi-nude sister
Boomer-copies who appear to be just about to forcibly undress and rape her.

Her response is "oh no, this is not happening". Many Homosexuals just love to
be the first one to turn someone, maybe your son, perhaps in that Catholic
Church rectory, onto that special secret intimacy they promote, for the first
time. They are absolutely loving this scene. They respond to Boomer: "you're
confused and scared... but it's ok", as they forcibly take off her helmet and
start caressing her without her permission. It appears that she is in the
process of being homosexual gang raped.

You can just imagine this scene in some women's prison or even some sororities
on some campuses with a new inductee. Anyone seen Reform School Girls with
Wendy O. Williams " ? USA Network used to show it regularly.

Boomer says: "I am not a Cylon". Right there, the obvious implication was that
she was about to say "I am not a Homosexual". She then says her parents are a
man and a woman: "My parents were Katherine and Abraham Valerii."

The Boomer-copies then feed her the normal Homosexual promotional crap that we
have heard here, over and over again, that deep inside, everyone is a
homosexual: "You can't fight destiny, Sharon. It catches up with you... no
matter what you do. Don't worry about us. We'll see you again. We love you,
Sharon. And we always will."

If you listen to these Hollywood Homosexual fatcats behind BSG, everyone is
eventually going to engage in Homosexual Sex. So Why fight the feeling. Do it
now. Call of the wild, sort of thing.

As these lines were delivered over cable TV, you better believe that the
Hollywood Homosexual fatcats behind this series were jumping around slapping
high fives. I can just imagine a new Saturday Night Live Gays In Space episode
based on this content, except what SNL is doing does not appear to have been
approved by the Hollywood Homosexuals fatcats so they are being a little
careful about how close they mirror the show.

One of the problems with Hollywood Homosexual scenes like this being crowbar-ed
into the script is: Should we the viewers draw assumptions from this scene
about the direction of the overall story, or take it for what it is -- the
writers' penance to their Hollywood Homosexual masters for putting up the money
for the production. For example, some here have assumed that in this scene
Boomer is programmed, or re-programmed to assassinate William Adama, by this
contact with her Boomer-copy sisters. Some have even claimed that the taking
off of the helmet was significant in that it further exposed her brain to the
telepathic communications wavelengths being sent to her.

But how can we know for sure when this scene already serves a totally ulterior
motive of the writers and their Hollywood Homosexual fatcat masters.

============================================================ ==

Politics

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #137711 ]

So, 25 September 2005 08:49

donotreply

John Shocked wrote:
> "manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:ecGdnR3LheOpaKj=
eRVn-qA [at] rogers.com...
>=20
>>Stephen Fairchild wrote:
>>
>>>John Shocked wrote:
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>>John, John. He had her up that way around just to annoy *you*. :)
>>
>>Plus..., if you check out the new DVD bonus features, Jamie Bamber quot=
es an email from a fan woh explicitly requests a gay=20
>>relationship on the show.
>=20
>=20
> Sounds like Bamber is referring to the homosexual lobby which has been =
aggressively campaigning
> for homosexual characters to be cast specifically in science fiction TV=
series for the past 20 years.
> They finally gained control of the Star Trek series at the end of 1991 =
when Gene Roddenberry died
> and Hollywood Homosexual Rick Berman took over and started that Star Tr=
ek: Deep Space Nine
> genderbending trill "Old Man Dax" inside woman Terry Farrell Jadzia's b=
ody Sodomy crap.
>=20

There is no homosexual lobby campaigning for homosexual characters in=20
scifi except in your imagination. Do seek help you are getting=20
progressively worse.

>=20
>>BTW, I've now seen the miniseries and the first six eps of S1, and the =
sex seems totally hetero...
>>C.
>=20
>=20
> You deserve the truth.
>=20
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=
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> I reprise some of the facts here:
>=20
>

Since it was not facts at all, just paranoid ramblings from a freak, I=20
snipped the crap out.

--=20
Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is none=20
more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant=20
to reason, and more contradictory in itself, than this thing called=20
Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too =

inconsistent for practice, it renders the heart torpid, or produces only =

atheists and fanatics. As an engine of power, it serves the purpose of=20
despotism; and as a means of wealth, the avarice of priests; but so far=20
as respects the good of man in general, it leads to nothing here or=20
hereafter. =96Thomas Paine

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #137712 ]

So, 25 September 2005 12:22

John Shocked

>"BYTE ME!" <donotreply [at] nowhere.com> wrote in message news:fMrZe.33083$Fp4.23740 [at] fe09.news.easynews.com...
>John Shocked wrote:
>> "manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:ecGdnR3LheOpaKjeRVn-qA [at] rogers.com...
>>>Stephen Fairchild wrote:
>>>>John Shocked wrote:
>>>[snip]
>>>>John, John. He had her up that way around just to annoy *you*. :)
>>>Plus..., if you check out the new DVD bonus features, Jamie Bamber quotes an email from a fan who explicitly requests a gay
>>>relationship on the show.
>> Sounds like Bamber is referring to the homosexual lobby which has been aggressively campaigning
>> for homosexual characters to be cast specifically in science fiction TV series for the past 20 years.
>> They finally gained control of the Star Trek series at the end of 1991 when Gene Roddenberry died
>> and Hollywood Homosexual Rick Berman took over and started that Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
>> genderbending trill "Old Man Dax" inside woman Terry Farrell Jadzia's body Sodomy crap.
>There is no homosexual lobby campaigning for homosexual characters in scifi except in your imagination. Do seek help you are
>getting progressively worse.

Here is an account of how one homosexual activist scriptwriter working in Hollywood fought
to pressure Gene Roddenberry into putting Sodomy into Star Trek.
Mostly in his own words, so much of it may not be true.

============================================================ =========
http://www.omnivore.org/jon/orwell/2001/Gay%20Trek/Gay%20Tre k.htm

A few months later, in late 1986, Gerrold began work on "Blood and Fire," his first -- and, as things turned
out, only -- "Next Generation" script. In the story, Captain Jean-Luc Picard and his Enterprise D answer a call
from a distressed medical research vessel. When the mission team beams over, it finds that the ship's crew is
infected with "Regulan blood worms," an apparently incurable pathogen so deadly that Starfleet Command has
ordered its officers to destroy any ship they contaminate.
Aside from its obvious reference to AIDS, the script also contained a casual nod to homosexuality. "How long
have you been together?" Commander Will Riker asks a pair of male officers who accompany him to the blood-worm-
stricken ship.
"Since the academy," one replies.
"This was during one of the worst parts of the AIDS crisis," Gerrold says. "Before protease inhibitors, before
AZT. AIDS was not a treatable condition; it was a fatal disease. And the fear of it was widespread, so much so
that blood donorship had reached critically low levels.
"On a more personal note, Michael Minor [art director for 'Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan'] and Merritt Butrick
[who played Kirk's son in the 'Star Trek' movies] were also infected."
In Gerrold's script, curing the disease required a complete blood transfusion. To treat the infected, the
worried Enterprise D crew was asked to donate blood. "I felt this plot point would raise the consciousness of 20
million 'Star Trek' fans overnight," says Gerrold. "In fact, I was hoping that we could put a card at the end of
the episode encouraging people to donate blood."
Gerrold never got a chance to lobby for that card. After a series of arguments with Roddenberry's underlings,
Gerrold quit the show, and the episode was permanently shelved. Gerrold says, half-joking, that the script got
caught up in "orifice politics."
The breakup was bitter. Roddenberry, who had sent Gerrold a telegram congratulating him on "Blood and Fire"
("Everybody loves your script"), now began badmouthing his work at "Star Trek" conventions.
"A large part of the problem was that Gene's health was failing," Gerrold says. "He didn't have the physical
strength he needed -- and he was experiencing mental lapses as well."
============================================================ ===========

This last statement this homosexual activist scriptwriter makes about Gene Roddenberry after his death falls
into the category of "speaking ill of the dead" and is considered immoral. However, this is a clear cut calling card
of those supporting the homosexual agenda. I know of no other group of people which engages in that
commonly agreed upon to be immoral behavior anywhere near as often as Hollywood Homosexuals.

>>>BTW, I've now seen the miniseries and the first six eps of S1, and the sex seems totally hetero...
>>>C.
>> You deserve the truth.
>> ============================================================ ==========
>> I reprise some of the facts here:
>Since it was not facts at all, just paranoid ramblings from a freak, I snipped the crap out.

You failed to respond to the account of Sodomy in Battlestar Galactica aqnd then insult the writer, ad hominem.
You think readers are stupid enough not to recognize that ?

Politics

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #137714 ]

So, 25 September 2005 17:40

manitou

John Shocked wrote:
> "manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:ecGdnR3LheOpaKjeRVn-qA [at] rogers.com...
>
>>Stephen Fairchild wrote:
>>
>>>John Shocked wrote:
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>>John, John. He had her up that way around just to annoy *you*. :)
>>
>>Plus..., if you check out the new DVD bonus features, Jamie Bamber quotes an email from a fan woh explicitly requests a gay
>>relationship on the show.
>
>
> Sounds like Bamber is referring to the homosexual lobby which has been aggressively campaigning
> for homosexual characters to be cast specifically in science fiction TV series for the past 20 years.
> They finally gained control of the Star Trek series at the end of 1991 when Gene Roddenberry died
> and Hollywood Homosexual Rick Berman took over and started that Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
> genderbending trill "Old Man Dax" inside woman Terry Farrell Jadzia's body Sodomy crap.

How do you know Berman is gay?

According to www.IMDb.com he's been married to the same woman since 1980.

C.

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #137715 ]

So, 25 September 2005 18:26

ANIM8Rfsk

in article U9GdnWJB_IoMWKveRVn-ig [at] rogers.com, manitou at
manitou910 [at] rogers.com wrote on 9/25/05 8:40 AM:

> John Shocked wrote:
>> "manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message
>> news:ecGdnR3LheOpaKjeRVn-qA [at] rogers.com...
>>
>>> Stephen Fairchild wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Shocked wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> John, John. He had her up that way around just to annoy *you*. :)
>>>
>>> Plus..., if you check out the new DVD bonus features, Jamie Bamber quotes an
>>> email from a fan woh explicitly requests a gay
>>> relationship on the show.
>>
>>
>> Sounds like Bamber is referring to the homosexual lobby which has been
>> aggressively campaigning
>> for homosexual characters to be cast specifically in science fiction TV
>> series for the past 20 years.
>> They finally gained control of the Star Trek series at the end of 1991 when
>> Gene Roddenberry died
>> and Hollywood Homosexual Rick Berman took over and started that Star Trek:
>> Deep Space Nine
>> genderbending trill "Old Man Dax" inside woman Terry Farrell Jadzia's body
>> Sodomy crap.
>
> How do you know Berman is gay?
>
> According to www.IMDb.com he's been married to the same woman since 1980.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> C.

If he didn't have an unnatural love for Braga, they surely had some sort of
Satanic pact.

--

You Can't Stop the Signal

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #137717 ]

So, 25 September 2005 19:09

donotreply

John Shocked wrote:
>>"BYTE ME!" <donotreply [at] nowhere.com> wrote in message news:fMrZe.33083$F=
p4.23740 [at] fe09.news.easynews.com...
>>John Shocked wrote:
>>
>>>"manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:ecGdnR3LheOpaK=
jeRVn-qA [at] rogers.com...
>>>
>>>>Stephen Fairchild wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>John Shocked wrote:
>>>>
>>>>[snip]
>>>>
>>>>>John, John. He had her up that way around just to annoy *you*. :)
>>>>
>>>>Plus..., if you check out the new DVD bonus features, Jamie Bamber qu=
otes an email from a fan who explicitly requests a gay=20
>>>>relationship on the show.
>>>
>>>Sounds like Bamber is referring to the homosexual lobby which has been=
aggressively campaigning
>>>for homosexual characters to be cast specifically in science fiction T=
V series for the past 20 years.
>>>They finally gained control of the Star Trek series at the end of 1991=
when Gene Roddenberry died
>>>and Hollywood Homosexual Rick Berman took over and started that Star T=
rek: Deep Space Nine
>>>genderbending trill "Old Man Dax" inside woman Terry Farrell Jadzia's =
body Sodomy crap.
>>
>>There is no homosexual lobby campaigning for homosexual characters in s=
cifi except in your imagination. Do seek help you are=20
>>getting progressively worse.
>=20
>=20
> Here is an account of how one homosexual activist scriptwriter working =
in Hollywood fought
> to pressure Gene Roddenberry into putting Sodomy into Star Trek.
> Mostly in his own words, so much of it may not be true.
>=20

Snippped since there was nothing there of any substance. There is no=20
homosexual hollywood agenda, just the paranoid rantings of a loon.

>>>
>>>You deserve the truth.
>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D
>>>I reprise some of the facts here:
>>
>>Since it was not facts at all, just paranoid ramblings from a freak, I =
snipped the crap out.
>=20
>=20
> You failed to respond to the account of Sodomy in Battlestar Galactica =
aqnd then insult the writer, ad hominem.
> You think readers are stupid enough not to recognize that ?
>=20
> Politics
>=20
>=20
Since there is no sodomy in battlestar galactica, there was no way to=20
respond to it. There is only your imagination of sodomy, nothing else.

--=20
Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is none=20
more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant=20
to reason, and more contradictory in itself, than this thing called=20
Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too =

inconsistent for practice, it renders the heart torpid, or produces only =

atheists and fanatics. As an engine of power, it serves the purpose of=20
despotism; and as a means of wealth, the avarice of priests; but so far=20
as respects the good of man in general, it leads to nothing here or=20
hereafter. =96Thomas Paine

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #137719 ]

Mo, 26 September 2005 01:16

John Shocked

>"BYTE ME!" <donotreply [at] nowhere.com> wrote in message news:0RAZe.101499$in2.83863 [at] fe04.news.easynews.com...
>John Shocked wrote:
>>>"BYTE ME!" <donotreply [at] nowhere.com> wrote in message news:fMrZe.33083$Fp4.23740 [at] fe09.news.easynews.com...
>>>John Shocked wrote:
>>>>"manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:ecGdnR3LheOpaKjeRVn-qA [at] rogers.com...
>>>>>Stephen Fairchild wrote:
>>>>>>John Shocked wrote:
>>>>>[snip]
>>>>>>John, John. He had her up that way around just to annoy *you*. :)
>>>>>Plus..., if you check out the new DVD bonus features, Jamie Bamber quotes an email from a fan who explicitly requests a gay
>>>>>relationship on the show.
>>>>Sounds like Bamber is referring to the homosexual lobby which has been aggressively campaigning
>>>>for homosexual characters to be cast specifically in science fiction TV series for the past 20 years.
>>>>They finally gained control of the Star Trek series at the end of 1991 when Gene Roddenberry died
>>>>and Hollywood Homosexual Rick Berman took over and started that Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
>>>>genderbending trill "Old Man Dax" inside woman Terry Farrell Jadzia's body Sodomy crap.
>>>There is no homosexual lobby campaigning for homosexual characters in scifi except in your imagination.
>>>Do seek help you are getting progressively worse.
>> Here is an account of how one homosexual activist scriptwriter working in Hollywood fought
>> to pressure Gene Roddenberry into putting Sodomy into Star Trek.
>> Mostly in his own words, so much of it may not be true.
>Snippped since there was nothing there of any substance. There is no homosexual hollywood agenda, just the paranoid rantings of a
>loon.

There is no question Sodomy symbolism is pervasive in BSG. But they want it subtle, just like
this guy Gerrold was trying to sneak into the Star Trek script. Gene Roddenberry caught the
Sodomy reference at the last minute and fired him.

Here is an account of how one homosexual activist scriptwriter working in Hollywood fought
to pressure Gene Roddenberry into putting Sodomy into Star Trek.
Mostly in his own words, so much of it may not be true.

============================================================ =========
http://www.omnivore.org/jon/orwell/2001/Gay%20Trek/Gay%20Tre k.htm

A few months later, in late 1986, Gerrold began work on "Blood and Fire," his first -- and, as things turned
out, only -- "Next Generation" script. In the story, Captain Jean-Luc Picard and his Enterprise D answer a call
from a distressed medical research vessel. When the mission team beams over, it finds that the ship's crew is
infected with "Regulan blood worms," an apparently incurable pathogen so deadly that Starfleet Command has
ordered its officers to destroy any ship they contaminate.
Aside from its obvious reference to AIDS, the script also contained a casual nod to homosexuality. "How long
have you been together?" Commander Will Riker asks a pair of male officers who accompany him to the blood-worm-
stricken ship.
"Since the academy," one replies.
"This was during one of the worst parts of the AIDS crisis," Gerrold says. "Before protease inhibitors, before
AZT. AIDS was not a treatable condition; it was a fatal disease. And the fear of it was widespread, so much so
that blood donorship had reached critically low levels.
"On a more personal note, Michael Minor [art director for 'Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan'] and Merritt Butrick
[who played Kirk's son in the 'Star Trek' movies] were also infected."
In Gerrold's script, curing the disease required a complete blood transfusion. To treat the infected, the
worried Enterprise D crew was asked to donate blood. "I felt this plot point would raise the consciousness of 20
million 'Star Trek' fans overnight," says Gerrold. "In fact, I was hoping that we could put a card at the end of
the episode encouraging people to donate blood."
Gerrold never got a chance to lobby for that card. After a series of arguments with Roddenberry's underlings,
Gerrold quit the show, and the episode was permanently shelved. Gerrold says, half-joking, that the script got
caught up in "orifice politics."
The breakup was bitter. Roddenberry, who had sent Gerrold a telegram congratulating him on "Blood and Fire"
("Everybody loves your script"), now began badmouthing his work at "Star Trek" conventions.
"A large part of the problem was that Gene's health was failing," Gerrold says. "He didn't have the physical
strength he needed -- and he was experiencing mental lapses as well."
============================================================ ===========

Note how this last statement this homosexual activist scriptwriter makes about Gene Roddenberry after his death falls
into the category of "speaking ill of the dead" and is considered immoral. However, this is a clear cut calling card
of those supporting the homosexual agenda. I know of no other group of people which engages in that
commonly agreed upon to be immoral behavior anywhere near as often as Hollywood Homosexuals.

>>>>You deserve the truth.
>>>> ============================================================ ==========
>>>>I reprise some of the facts here:
>>>Since it was not facts at all, just paranoid ramblings from a freak, I snipped the crap out.
>> You failed to respond to the account of Sodomy in Battlestar Galactica aqnd then insult the writer, ad hominem.
>> You think readers are stupid enough not to recognize that ?
>> Politics
>Since there is no sodomy in battlestar galactica, there was no way to respond to it. There is only your imagination of sodomy,
>nothing else.

There is widespread Sodomy symbolism in BSG. There is no question about it.
Gradualism is their goal. Then, soon enough, they will be playing the whole disgusting Sodomy act
in front of you and your kids in your living room.

Politics

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #137720 ]

Mo, 26 September 2005 01:25

John Shocked

"manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:U9GdnWJB_IoMWKveRVn-ig [at] rogers.com...
> John Shocked wrote:
>> "manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:ecGdnR3LheOpaKjeRVn-qA [at] rogers.com...
>>>Stephen Fairchild wrote:
>>>>John Shocked wrote:
>>>[snip]
>>>>John, John. He had her up that way around just to annoy *you*. :)
>>>Plus..., if you check out the new DVD bonus features, Jamie Bamber quotes an email from a fan
>>>who explicitly requests a gay relationship on the show.
>> Sounds like Bamber is referring to the homosexual lobby which has been aggressively campaigning
>> for homosexual characters to be cast specifically in science fiction TV series for the past 20 years.
>> They finally gained control of the Star Trek series at the end of 1991 when Gene Roddenberry died
>> and Hollywood Homosexual Rick Berman took over and started that Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
>> genderbending trill "Old Man Dax" inside woman [actress] Terry Farrell Jadzia's body Sodomy crap.
> How do you know Berman is gay?
> According to www.IMDb.com he's been married to the same woman since 1980.
> C.

I did not say Berman was a homosexual. As I have stated several times here, most but not all
Hollywood Homosexuals are homosexual. However, it is obvious from the IMDB listing that he has
no children after 25 years with this one women.
Most wealthy and committed heterosexuals would have sought fruits from a relationship
with another woman by now.

Politics

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #137721 ]

Mo, 26 September 2005 01:29

John Shocked

"ANIM8Rfsk" <ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net> wrote in message news:BF5C1DD7.5363D%ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net...
> in article U9GdnWJB_IoMWKveRVn-ig [at] rogers.com, manitou at
> manitou910 [at] rogers.com wrote on 9/25/05 8:40 AM:
>> John Shocked wrote:
>>> "manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ecGdnR3LheOpaKjeRVn-qA [at] rogers.com...
>>>> Stephen Fairchild wrote:
>>>>> John Shocked wrote:
>>>> [snip]
>>>>> John, John. He had her up that way around just to annoy *you*. :)
>>>> Plus..., if you check out the new DVD bonus features, Jamie Bamber quotes an
>>>> email from a fan woh explicitly requests a gay
>>>> relationship on the show.
>>> Sounds like Bamber is referring to the homosexual lobby which has been
>>> aggressively campaigning
>>> for homosexual characters to be cast specifically in science fiction TV
>>> series for the past 20 years.
>>> They finally gained control of the Star Trek series at the end of 1991 when
>>> Gene Roddenberry died
>>> and Hollywood Homosexual Rick Berman took over and started that Star Trek:
>>> Deep Space Nine
>>> genderbending trill "Old Man Dax" inside woman Terry Farrell Jadzia's body
>>> Sodomy crap.
>> How do you know Berman is gay?
>> According to www.IMDb.com he's been married to the same woman since 1980.
>> C.
> If he didn't have an unnatural love for Braga, they surely had some sort of Satanic pact.

That Berman marriage from IMDB has children. That looks like yet another fake Hollywood Marriage.
Berman and his wife probably meet once a year to exchange pleasantries and take public pictures
for appearances.

Politics

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #137722 ]

Mo, 26 September 2005 02:13

donotreply

John Shocked wrote:
>>"BYTE ME!" <donotreply [at] nowhere.com> wrote in message news:0RAZe.101499$=
in2.83863 [at] fe04.news.easynews.com...
>>John Shocked wrote:
>>
>>>>"BYTE ME!" <donotreply [at] nowhere.com> wrote in message news:fMrZe.33083=
$Fp4.23740 [at] fe09.news.easynews.com...
>>>>John Shocked wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:ecGdnR3LheOp=
aKjeRVn-qA [at] rogers.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Stephen Fairchild wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>John Shocked wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[snip]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>John, John. He had her up that way around just to annoy *you*. :)=

>>>>>>
>>>>>>Plus..., if you check out the new DVD bonus features, Jamie Bamber =
quotes an email from a fan who explicitly requests a gay=20
>>>>>>relationship on the show.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sounds like Bamber is referring to the homosexual lobby which has be=
en aggressively campaigning
>>>>>for homosexual characters to be cast specifically in science fiction=
TV series for the past 20 years.
>>>>>They finally gained control of the Star Trek series at the end of 19=
91 when Gene Roddenberry died
>>>>>and Hollywood Homosexual Rick Berman took over and started that Star=
Trek: Deep Space Nine
>>>>>genderbending trill "Old Man Dax" inside woman Terry Farrell Jadzia'=
s body Sodomy crap.
>>>>
>>>>There is no homosexual lobby campaigning for homosexual characters in=
scifi except in your imagination.
>>>>Do seek help you are getting progressively worse.
>>>
>>>Here is an account of how one homosexual activist scriptwriter working=
in Hollywood fought
>>>to pressure Gene Roddenberry into putting Sodomy into Star Trek.
>>>Mostly in his own words, so much of it may not be true.
>>
>>Snippped since there was nothing there of any substance. There is no h=
omosexual hollywood agenda, just the paranoid rantings of a=20
>>loon.
>=20
>=20
> There is no question Sodomy symbolism:

is nonexistant in battlestar galactica

--=20
Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is none=20
more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant=20
to reason, and more contradictory in itself, than this thing called=20
Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too =

inconsistent for practice, it renders the heart torpid, or produces only =

atheists and fanatics. As an engine of power, it serves the purpose of=20
despotism; and as a means of wealth, the avarice of priests; but so far=20
as respects the good of man in general, it leads to nothing here or=20
hereafter. =96Thomas Paine

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #137723 ]

Mo, 26 September 2005 02:15

donotreply

John Shocked wrote:
> "manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:U9GdnWJB_IoMWKv=
eRVn-ig [at] rogers.com...
>=20
>>John Shocked wrote:
>>
>>>"manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:ecGdnR3LheOpaK=
jeRVn-qA [at] rogers.com...
>>>
>>>>Stephen Fairchild wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>John Shocked wrote:
>>>>
>>>>[snip]
>>>>
>>>>>John, John. He had her up that way around just to annoy *you*. :)
>>>>
>>>>Plus..., if you check out the new DVD bonus features, Jamie Bamber qu=
otes an email from a fan
>>>>who explicitly requests a gay relationship on the show.
>>>
>>>Sounds like Bamber is referring to the homosexual lobby which has been=
aggressively campaigning
>>>for homosexual characters to be cast specifically in science fiction T=
V series for the past 20 years.
>>>They finally gained control of the Star Trek series at the end of 1991=
when Gene Roddenberry died
>>>and Hollywood Homosexual Rick Berman took over and started that Star T=
rek: Deep Space Nine
>>>genderbending trill "Old Man Dax" inside woman [actress] Terry Farrell=
Jadzia's body Sodomy crap.
>>
>>How do you know Berman is gay?
>>According to www.IMDb.com he's been married to the same woman since 198=
0.
>>C.
>=20
>=20
> I did not say Berman was a homosexual. As I have stated several times =
here, most but not all
> Hollywood Homosexuals are homosexual.=20

Now this makes no sense at all. But then neither does any of your other=20
spiels. Either they are homosexuals or they are not.

However, it is obvious from the IMDB listing that he has
> no children after 25 years with this one women.
> Most wealthy and committed heterosexuals would have sought fruits from =
a relationship
> with another woman by now.
>=20

How do you know it was a choice? You just pull shit out of the air to=20
suit your paranoid imaginings.

> Politics
>=20
>=20

--=20
Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is none=20
more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant=20
to reason, and more contradictory in itself, than this thing called=20
Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too =

inconsistent for practice, it renders the heart torpid, or produces only =

atheists and fanatics. As an engine of power, it serves the purpose of=20
despotism; and as a means of wealth, the avarice of priests; but so far=20
as respects the good of man in general, it leads to nothing here or=20
hereafter. =96Thomas Paine

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #137726 ]

Mo, 26 September 2005 03:25

The Watch Dog

BYTE ME! wrote:
>
> However, it is obvious from the IMDB listing that he has
> > no children after 25 years with this one women.
> > Most wealthy and committed heterosexuals would have sought fruits from a relationship
> > with another woman by now.
> >
>
> How do you know it was a choice? You just pull shit out of the air to
> suit your paranoid imaginings.

You miss his point. Any "wealthy and committed heterosexual" should
ABANDON HIS WIFE if she proves unable to have children, and seek out
"fruits" with another woman. Although in this case the man MAY have
illegitimate children we don't know about, so that would be all right.

By the way, if a couple can't have children, it's always the woman's
fault, unless the husband isn't REALLY a "committed heterosexual."

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #137727 ]

Mo, 26 September 2005 03:30

The Watch Dog

John Shocked wrote:
> They finally gained control of the Star Trek series at the end of 1991 when Gene Roddenberry died
> and Hollywood Homosexual Rick Berman took over and started that Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
> genderbending trill "Old Man Dax" inside woman Terry Farrell Jadzia's body Sodomy crap

Your timeline of events is way off. The very first Trill story, in ST:
TNG, featured a Trill who started off in a male body, had a
relationship with the ship's female doctor, then came back in a female
body.

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #137728 ]

Mo, 26 September 2005 04:23

manitou

John Shocked wrote:
>
> As I have stated several times here, most but not all
> Hollywood Homosexuals are homosexual.

How is it possible to be a 'Hollywood Homosexual' and not be 'homosexual'?

C.

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #137729 ]

Mo, 26 September 2005 04:30

Andrealphus

"manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message
news:lc6dnWhAUZKpwareRVn-hg [at] rogers.com...
> John Shocked wrote:
>>
>> As I have stated several times here, most but not all
>> Hollywood Homosexuals are homosexual.
>
>
>
> How is it possible to be a 'Hollywood Homosexual' and not be 'homosexual'?

LOL! I see Shocked is making these same stupid arguments. Some things
never change.

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #137730 ]

Mo, 26 September 2005 04:39

manitou

John Shocked wrote:
>
> 2) Again in the Colonial Day episode the Battlestar producers show us the side
> of Apollo they showed us in episode 3 Bastille Day: Apollo being pulled down to
> the ground face down, sunny side up in an Oz-like grappling with another man.
> It should be clear now to everyone watching this series that there is a pattern
> in showing these Oz-like scenes where it appears that Apollo is about to be
> raped by another man. The producers of this series are desperate to show at the
> very least the symbolism of Sodomy in the series. It is very important to them.
> In addition, in the grappling with this other man is a freeze frame in which
> Apollo and this same man are arm in arm, as if walking down the street or from
> the altar, man and man.

Well...

I watched this earlier this evening and found this scene pretty routine.
OTOH, I didn't watch it in shot-by-shot freeze frame.

If anything, I'd expect gay viewers (closeted and non-closeted,
repressed and non-repressed) were more interested in Apollo's topless
scene in the locker room with Starbuck, his mannish female comrade. [It
_is_ a surprise when she appears later in the episode in a cocktail dress.]

C.

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #137731 ]

Mo, 26 September 2005 05:28

ANIM8Rfsk

in article 1127698203.516623.62800 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, The Watch
Dog at tirhuan [at] aol.com wrote on 9/25/05 6:30 PM:

> John Shocked wrote:
>> They finally gained control of the Star Trek series at the end of 1991 when
>> Gene Roddenberry died
>> and Hollywood Homosexual Rick Berman took over and started that Star Trek:
>> Deep Space Nine
>> genderbending trill "Old Man Dax" inside woman Terry Farrell Jadzia's body
>> Sodomy crap
>
> Your timeline of events is way off. The very first Trill story, in ST:
> TNG, featured a Trill who started off in a male body, had a
> relationship with the ship's female doctor, then came back in a female
> body.
>

And Crusher, incompetent fool that she is, had never heard of a trill and
knew nothing of their symbiotes, even though they'd been hanging around the
Federation for hundreds of years.

--

You Can't Stop the Signal

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #137733 ]

Mo, 26 September 2005 05:51

John Shocked

>"BYTE ME!" <donotreply [at] nowhere.com> wrote in message news:W4HZe.110173$in2.73248 [at] fe04.news.easynews.com...
>John Shocked wrote:
>> "manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:U9GdnWJB_IoMWKveRVn-ig [at] rogers.com...
>>>John Shocked wrote:
>>>>"manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:ecGdnR3LheOpaKjeRVn-qA [at] rogers.com...
>>>>>Stephen Fairchild wrote:
>>>>>>John Shocked wrote:
>>>>>[snip]
>>>>>>John, John. He had her up that way around just to annoy *you*. :)
>>>>>Plus..., if you check out the new DVD bonus features, Jamie Bamber quotes an email from a fan
>>>>>who explicitly requests a gay relationship on the show.
>>>>Sounds like Bamber is referring to the homosexual lobby which has been aggressively campaigning
>>>>for homosexual characters to be cast specifically in science fiction TV series for the past 20 years.
>>>>They finally gained control of the Star Trek series at the end of 1991 when Gene Roddenberry died
>>>>and Hollywood Homosexual Rick Berman took over and started that Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
>>>>genderbending trill "Old Man Dax" inside woman [actress] Terry Farrell Jadzia's body Sodomy crap.
>>>How do you know Berman is gay?
>>>According to www.IMDb.com he's been married to the same woman since 1980.
>>>C.
>> I did not say Berman was a homosexual. As I have stated several times here, most but not all
>> Hollywood Homosexuals are homosexual.
>Now this makes no sense at all. But then neither does any of your other spiels. Either they are homosexuals or they are not.

Hollywood Homosexuals support Sodomy on TV and in Movies and support anti-Arab/Moslem Hate and Mass Murder.
Most engage in Sodomy either because they enjoy it or because they realize that Sodomy is the Rite Of Passage
or Coin Of The Realm in Hollywood.
Some of them pass the Rite Of Passage by playing homosexuals in TV or movies.

>> However, it is obvious from the IMDB listing that he has no children after 25 years with this one women.
>> Most wealthy and committed heterosexuals would have sought fruits from a relationship
>> with another woman by now.
>> Politics
>How do you know it was a choice? You just pull shit out of the air to suit your paranoid imaginings.

============================================================ =====
As I have mentioned, Hollywood Homosexuals took control of Hollywood somewhere around 1992.
Let us look at the biggest male Hollywood stars who have arisen since that takeover. (the
list of major Hollywood female stars who had been in homosexual scenes on screen during
this period is simply too long to list here).

Six Degrees of Separation is the name of a Battlestar Galactica episode but it was also the
name of a movie in which Will Smith plays a homosexual hustler. This was the movie that
Will Smith had to do for the Hollywood Homosexuals who control Hollywood before they would
then allow him to obtain the big roles which followed. After this homosexual movie Six
Degrees of Separation (1993), Smith's next Hollywood movies were the following (f. IMDB):

Enemy of the State (1998) .... Robert Clayton Dean
Men in Black (1997) .... James Edwards/Agent J (Jay)
.... aka MIB (USA: promotional abbreviation)
Independence Day (1996) .... Captain Steven 'Steve' Hiller
.... aka ID4 (USA: promotional abbreviation)
Bad Boys (1995) .... Det. Mike Lowrey

Huge money straight movies. In fact, the reports from the set of Six Degrees of Separation
are the Will Smith refused to do a scene in which he was to kiss another man and the scene
was faked. That indicates Smith was not committed to the Sodomy subject matter of this
movie and was coerced into doing the movie. Leonard DiCaprio did the homosexual movie Total
Eclipse (1995), in which there were explicit naked bed scenes. (One of the last things I
saw on homosexual dominated HBO, around 2000-2001 before canceling the service).
The following are the acting jobs he received next:

The Man in the Iron Mask (1998) .... King Louis XIV/Philippe
Titanic (1997) .... Jack Dawson
Marvin's Room (1996) .... Hank
Romeo + Juliet (1996) .... Romeo

At the time of the 1992 takeover of Hollywood by Hollywood Homosexuals, Tom Hanks was an
actor with mediocre success who made his name playing a transvestite in the Bosom Buddies
TV series (1980-1982). Obviously, for the Hollywood Homosexuals this guy was way, way, way
ahead of his time and he had to be made a star. This is what happened to his career once
Hollywood Homosexuals took control:

Apollo 13 (1995) .... Jim Lovell
.... aka Apollo 13: The IMAX Experience (USA: IMAX version)
Forrest Gump (1994) .... Forrest Gump
Vault of Horror I (1994) (TV)
Philadelphia (1993) .... Andrew Beckett
Sleepless in Seattle (1993) .... Sam Baldwin
A League of Their Own (1992) .... Jimmy Dugan

Russell Crowe was an Australian regional actor (born in New Zealand) making Australian
movies until he made the 1994 Australian movie The Sum Of Us, in which he portrayed a
homosexual. It was then that he received the call from Hollywood to appear in his first
Hollywood movie with Sharon Stone "The Quick and the Dead" Here is Crowe's Sodomy rise
to stardom:

Gladiator (2000) .... Maximus
The Insider (1999) .... Dr. Jeffrey Wigand
Mystery, Alaska (1999) .... Sheriff John Biebe
Breaking Up (1997) .... Steve
Heaven's Burning (1997) .... Colin
L.A. Confidential (1997) .... Officer Wendell 'Bud' White
Rough Magic (1995) .... Alex Ross
.... aka Miss Shumway jette un sort (France)
Virtuosity (1995) .... SID 6.7
No Way Back (1995) .... FBI Agent Zack Grant
The Quick and the Dead (1995) .... Cort
The Sum of Us (1994) .... Jeff Mitchell

Ashton Kutcher is rumored to be a homosexual although his public relations people link him
to 'an older woman'. (Special thank you to Ashton Kutcher for appearing in the Gays In
Space II episode on Saturday Night Live 03/19/2005)

Keanu Reeve has long been rumored to be a homosexual. His name Neo in the huge money movie
series Matrix was "Neo", an abbreviation for Neo-Conservative, the group of people we have
talked about who Love Sodomy, and Hate Arabs/Moslems but otherwise despise the Left groups
of The Poor, Blacks, Unions and Women, just like any other regular (paleo-) Conservative.
Mostly huge money movies. Again, the homosexual background was his Rite Of Passage.

This follows the pattern of Jonathan King and other music managers who had their Sodomy rite of
passage for young boys who wanted to become music stars. This Sodomy Rite Of Passage was
portrayed in the Roger Daltrey (of The Who rock and roll music band) movie Like It Is (1998)
and it has also been talked about by Pete Townshend of The Who in interviews.

Fortunately, Jonathan King went to prison for buggering young boys. When are some of these
Hollywood Homosexuals going to be caught and go to prison themselves ? No wonder so many
entertainers support Sodomy, when in many cases they were forced to taste some of it before
they were allowed their big break.

There has to be some element of criminal rape, extortion and racketeering associated with
this Sodomy promotion activity going on in Hollywood.

Politics

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #137734 ]

Mo, 26 September 2005 06:57

donotreply

John Shocked wrote:
>>"BYTE ME!" <donotreply [at] nowhere.com> wrote in message news:W4HZe.110173$=
in2.73248 [at] fe04.news.easynews.com...
>>John Shocked wrote:
>>
>>>"manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:U9GdnWJB_IoMWK=
veRVn-ig [at] rogers.com...
>>>
>>>>John Shocked wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:ecGdnR3LheOp=
aKjeRVn-qA [at] rogers.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Stephen Fairchild wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>John Shocked wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[snip]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>John, John. He had her up that way around just to annoy *you*. :)=

>>>>>>
>>>>>>Plus..., if you check out the new DVD bonus features, Jamie Bamber =
quotes an email from a fan
>>>>>>who explicitly requests a gay relationship on the show.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sounds like Bamber is referring to the homosexual lobby which has be=
en aggressively campaigning
>>>>>for homosexual characters to be cast specifically in science fiction=
TV series for the past 20 years.
>>>>>They finally gained control of the Star Trek series at the end of 19=
91 when Gene Roddenberry died
>>>>>and Hollywood Homosexual Rick Berman took over and started that Star=
Trek: Deep Space Nine
>>>>>genderbending trill "Old Man Dax" inside woman [actress] Terry Farre=
ll Jadzia's body Sodomy crap.
>>>>
>>>>How do you know Berman is gay?
>>>>According to www.IMDb.com he's been married to the same woman since 1=
980.
>>>>C.
>>>
>>>I did not say Berman was a homosexual. As I have stated several times=
here, most but not all
>>>Hollywood Homosexuals are homosexual.
>>
>>Now this makes no sense at all. But then neither does any of your other=
spiels. Either they are homosexuals or they are not.
>=20

Bullshit snipped. All you did was dodge. So are they homosexuals or not?=

>=20
>=20
>>>However, it is obvious from the IMDB listing that he has no children a=
fter 25 years with this one women.
>>>Most wealthy and committed heterosexuals would have sought fruits from=
a relationship
>>>with another woman by now.
>>>Politics
>>
>>How do you know it was a choice? You just pull shit out of the air to =
suit your paranoid imaginings.
>=20

Snipped a whole bunch of paranoid rantings. Get help you idiot. By the =

way, you ignored the question as usual and went on ranting.

--=20
Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is none=20
more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant=20
to reason, and more contradictory in itself, than this thing called=20
Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too =

inconsistent for practice, it renders the heart torpid, or produces only =

atheists and fanatics. As an engine of power, it serves the purpose of=20
despotism; and as a means of wealth, the avarice of priests; but so far=20
as respects the good of man in general, it leads to nothing here or=20
hereafter. =96Thomas Paine

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #137735 ]

Mo, 26 September 2005 09:19

The Watch Dog

ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
> in article 1127698203.516623.62800 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, The Watch
> Dog at tirhuan [at] aol.com wrote on 9/25/05 6:30 PM:
>
> > John Shocked wrote:
> >> They finally gained control of the Star Trek series at the end of 1991 when
> >> Gene Roddenberry died
> >> and Hollywood Homosexual Rick Berman took over and started that Star Trek:
> >> Deep Space Nine
> >> genderbending trill "Old Man Dax" inside woman Terry Farrell Jadzia's body
> >> Sodomy crap
> >
> > Your timeline of events is way off. The very first Trill story, in ST:
> > TNG, featured a Trill who started off in a male body, had a
> > relationship with the ship's female doctor, then came back in a female
> > body.
> >
>
> And Crusher, incompetent fool that she is, had never heard of a trill and
> knew nothing of their symbiotes, even though they'd been hanging around the
> Federation for hundreds of years.

The Trill as presented in TNG and the Trill as presented in DS9 were
prety different (without any explanation at all). Although I haven't
seen the TNG episode for a while, I don't think it stated that the
Trill and the Federation had been allies for a long time. DS9 implied
that, to give Jadzia more of a backstory, but I think the detail was
invented for DSG.

Also, in TNG, the Trill's mind and personality seemed to be entirely
the symbiote's; the humanoid host bodies they lived in seemed to act as
just vessels or puppets. (I did wonder, at the time, just how those
bodies were created, aged, and maintained.) In DS9, each host body had
its own personality, training, family, etc., before any symbiote was
implanted, and that personality seemed dominant, although the symbiote
allowed memories of each life to be carried to the next one.

They looked different, too.

There are ways - well established in fiction, particularly science
fiction - to explain differences like this, and even get story hooks
out of the explanations. (For example: two different branches of the
race, called the Trill and the NaTrill, who differ on how they manage
the relationship between the symbiote and the host. They've lived on
separate planets for a few centuries now, and do not get along AT ALL .
.. . .) But in this case the writers didn't bother.

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #139055 ]

Mo, 26 September 2005 14:48

John Shocked

>"BYTE ME!" <donotreply [at] nowhere.com> wrote in message news:o2HZe.110123$in2.26550 [at] fe04.news.easynews.com...
>John Shocked wrote:
>>>"BYTE ME!" <donotreply [at] nowhere.com> wrote in message news:0RAZe.101499$in2.83863 [at] fe04.news.easynews.com...
>>>John Shocked wrote:
>>>>>"BYTE ME!" <donotreply [at] nowhere.com> wrote in message news:fMrZe.33083$Fp4.23740 [at] fe09.news.easynews.com...
>>>>>John Shocked wrote:
>>>>>>"manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:ecGdnR3LheOpaKjeRVn-qA [at] rogers.com...
>>>>>>>Stephen Fairchild wrote:
>>>>>>>>John Shocked wrote:
>>>>>>>[snip]
>>>>>>>>John, John. He had her up that way around just to annoy *you*. :)
>>>>>>>Plus..., if you check out the new DVD bonus features, Jamie Bamber quotes an email from a fan who explicitly requests a gay
>>>>>>>relationship on the show.
>>>>>>Sounds like Bamber is referring to the homosexual lobby which has been aggressively campaigning
>>>>>>for homosexual characters to be cast specifically in science fiction TV series for the past 20 years.
>>>>>>They finally gained control of the Star Trek series at the end of 1991 when Gene Roddenberry died
>>>>>>and Hollywood Homosexual Rick Berman took over and started that Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
>>>>>>genderbending trill "Old Man Dax" inside woman Terry Farrell Jadzia's body Sodomy crap.
>>>>>There is no homosexual lobby campaigning for homosexual characters in scifi except in your imagination.
>>>>>Do seek help you are getting progressively worse.
>>>>Here is an account of how one homosexual activist scriptwriter working in Hollywood fought
>>>>to pressure Gene Roddenberry into putting Sodomy into Star Trek.
>>>>Mostly in his own words, so much of it may not be true.
>>>Snippped since there was nothing there of any substance. There is no homosexual hollywood agenda, just the paranoid rantings of
>>>a loon.
>> There is no question Sodomy symbolism:
>is nonexistant in battlestar galactica

Sodomy symbolism in BSG is widespread.

========================================================"Anathema " <tiredofsppam [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:425848d4$0$15386$c3e8da3 [at] news.astraweb.com...
> Bozo the Evil Klown wrote:
>> Gaius Baltar is a more complex, three-dimensional character.
> This seems true to me too. It's made Baltar more interesting.
>> He *isn't* evil at heart, but he's weak enough to be seduced into being accomplice to evil deeds. Finding out his guilt over the
>> massacre of mankind after the fact, he's now driven to protect himself from exposure- not out of evil or malice, but simple
>> self-preservation.
>I'm not so sure here. I don't want to get into definitions of evil, but I do believe that Baltar is a
>sociopath. (For those interested in quibbling over the difference between psychopath and sociopath, here're the
>definitions I use. A psychotic is divorced from reality. He hears voices that aren't there.

This guy Baltar definitely hears a voice, but that voice is there.
What is missing is moral compunctions in these dialogues
with "6" on the part of Baltar himself.

>He can be paranoid when it's in appropriate. Whatever. He lives in a separate reality. He's crazy. A
>sociopath is sane. He is rational and is in touch with reality. What makes him different is that he has no
>empathy for others. He doesn't understand or care about other people's feelings including their pain. This
>reduces people to mere objects which must be manipulated for his good. To him, the only thing that matters in
>the universe is what' good for him. To him, it makes sense to use, steal or cause any kind of damage as long as
>it provides something good for him.)

There are points at which he claims "I repent" after being chided by the "6" chip but it clearly rings hollow
and is bereft of any empathy for the people he murdered.

>I think the opening minutes of the miniseries defined Baltar's character as a sociopath. When Six told him that
>the Colonies' defenses had been compromised and the Cylons were about to attack, his first and only concern was
>how he could save his reputation. The death of millions didn't affect him, so it wasn't an issue for him. He
>has no guilt about his role in the Cylon attack, nor for the death of Amarak, because he was able to come out of
>those situations without being harmed.

If anything, the "6" chip is more compassionate than the Baltar portion of his mentality.

>All his actions since the attack have seemed consistent with this, I believe.
>He's a sociopath and that makes him dangerous.
>A

And the weird thing is that the writers have a lot of people supporting and cheering for Baltar. Claims that he
"complex" and "three-dimensional" abound. How have the writers been able to achieve this amazing marketing
effect ? And are the gullible people who could respond to the hidden marketing signals and symbolisms from the
writers about Baltar, themselves weak and dangerous people ?

Politics

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #139056 ]

Mo, 26 September 2005 20:01

Diane L

John Shocked wrote:
> "manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:U9GdnWJB_IoMWKveRVn-ig [at] rogers.com...
>> John Shocked wrote:
>>> "manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ecGdnR3LheOpaKjeRVn-qA [at] rogers.com...
>>>> Stephen Fairchild wrote:
>>>>> John Shocked wrote:
>>>> [snip]
>>>>> John, John. He had her up that way around just to annoy *you*. :)
>>>> Plus..., if you check out the new DVD bonus features, Jamie Bamber
>>>> quotes an email from a fan who explicitly requests a gay
>>>> relationship on the show.
>>> Sounds like Bamber is referring to the homosexual lobby which has
>>> been aggressively campaigning for homosexual characters to be cast
>>> specifically in science
>>> fiction TV series for the past 20 years. They finally gained
>>> control of the Star Trek series at the end of 1991 when Gene
>>> Roddenberry died and Hollywood Homosexual Rick Berman took over and
>>> started that Star Trek: Deep Space Nine genderbending trill "Old
>>> Man Dax" inside woman [actress] Terry Farrell Jadzia's body Sodomy
>>> crap.
>> How do you know Berman is gay?
>> According to www.IMDb.com he's been married to the same woman since
>> 1980. C.
>
> I did not say Berman was a homosexual. As I have stated several
> times here, most but not all Hollywood Homosexuals are homosexual.
> However, it is obvious from the IMDB listing that he has no children
> after 25 years with this one women. Most wealthy and committed
> heterosexuals would have sought fruits
> from a relationship with another woman by now.

Because, of course, in your world no one marries for love. People marry only
to have children who can then give them grandchildren. Anyone who is
unmarried or married without children is obviously a homosexual (although
this does not necessarily involved having sex with or even being attracted
to members of their own sex).

BTW, how many children do you have, John?

Diane L.

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #139057 ]

Mo, 26 September 2005 20:22

Anthony Cerrato

"Diane L" <diane [at] lindquist.plus.com> wrote in message
news:4338376f$0$16335$ed2619ec [at] ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
> John Shocked wrote:
> > "manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message
> > news:U9GdnWJB_IoMWKveRVn-ig [at] rogers.com...
> >> John Shocked wrote:
> >>> "manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:ecGdnR3LheOpaKjeRVn-qA [at] rogers.com...
> >>>> Stephen Fairchild wrote:
> >>>>> John Shocked wrote:
> >>>> [snip]
> >>>>> John, John. He had her up that way around just to
annoy *you*. :)
> >>>> Plus..., if you check out the new DVD bonus features,
Jamie Bamber
> >>>> quotes an email from a fan who explicitly requests a
gay
> >>>> relationship on the show.
> >>> Sounds like Bamber is referring to the homosexual
lobby which has
> >>> been aggressively campaigning for homosexual
characters to be cast
> >>> specifically in science
> >>> fiction TV series for the past 20 years. They finally
gained
> >>> control of the Star Trek series at the end of 1991
when Gene
> >>> Roddenberry died and Hollywood Homosexual Rick Berman
took over and
> >>> started that Star Trek: Deep Space Nine genderbending
trill "Old
> >>> Man Dax" inside woman [actress] Terry Farrell Jadzia's
body Sodomy
> >>> crap.
> >> How do you know Berman is gay?
> >> According to www.IMDb.com he's been married to the same
woman since
> >> 1980. C.
> >
> > I did not say Berman was a homosexual. As I have stated
several
> > times here, most but not all Hollywood Homosexuals are
homosexual.
> > However, it is obvious from the IMDB listing that he has
no children
> > after 25 years with this one women. Most wealthy and
committed
> > heterosexuals would have sought fruits
> > from a relationship with another woman by now.
>
> Because, of course, in your world no one marries for love.
People marry only
> to have children who can then give them grandchildren.
Anyone who is
> unmarried or married without children is obviously a
homosexual (although
> this does not necessarily involved having sex with or even
being attracted
> to members of their own sex).
>
> BTW, how many children do you have, John?
>
> Diane L.

Who the hell is this moron that keeps polluting this thread
with idiotic anti-gay nonsense? And why do people keep
answering or arguing with him instead of ignoring him and
letting the thread die a natural death? What a waste of
bandwidth on a purely OT subject!!! (I'm only posting here
because I have ignored the thread a long time but it never
goes away, and I just couldn't stand it anymore.)
....tonyC (A _real_ SF fan!)

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #139060 ]

Mo, 26 September 2005 22:08

John Shocked

"Diane L" <diane [at] lindquist.plus.com> wrote in message news:4338376f$0$16335$ed2619ec [at] ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
> John Shocked wrote:
>> "manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message
>> news:U9GdnWJB_IoMWKveRVn-ig [at] rogers.com...
>>> John Shocked wrote:
>>>> "manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ecGdnR3LheOpaKjeRVn-qA [at] rogers.com...
>>>>> Stephen Fairchild wrote:
>>>>>> John Shocked wrote:
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>> John, John. He had her up that way around just to annoy *you*. :)
>>>>> Plus..., if you check out the new DVD bonus features, Jamie Bamber
>>>>> quotes an email from a fan who explicitly requests a gay
>>>>> relationship on the show.
>>>> Sounds like Bamber is referring to the homosexual lobby which has
>>>> been aggressively campaigning for homosexual characters to be cast specifically in science
>>>> fiction TV series for the past 20 years. They finally gained
>>>> control of the Star Trek series at the end of 1991 when Gene
>>>> Roddenberry died and Hollywood Homosexual Rick Berman took over and
>>>> started that Star Trek: Deep Space Nine genderbending trill "Old Man Dax" inside woman [actress] Terry Farrell Jadzia's body
>>>> Sodomy crap.
>>> How do you know Berman is gay?
>>> According to www.IMDb.com he's been married to the same woman since
>>> 1980. C.
>> I did not say Berman was a homosexual. As I have stated several
>> times here, most but not all Hollywood Homosexuals are homosexual. However, it is obvious from the IMDB listing that he has no
>> children
>> after 25 years with this one women. Most wealthy and committed heterosexuals would have sought fruits
>> from a relationship with another woman by now.
> Because, of course, in your world no one marries for love. People marry only to have children who can then give them
> grandchildren. Anyone who is unmarried or married without children is obviously a homosexual (although this does not necessarily
> involved having sex with or even being attracted to members of their own sex).

The purpose of marriage is child procreation and child nurturing. This intent of marriage predates
all forms of religion. If that is not a couple's intent, then they should not besmirch the idea of marriage
with their behavior. Why should society consecrate two people, or a person and an animal, who are
merely intent on having sex, homosex, or bestialsex ?

> BTW, how many children do you have, John?
> Diane L.

I do not answer personal questions.

Politics

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #139061 ]

Mo, 26 September 2005 22:15

Kweeg

"Anthony Cerrato" <tcerrato [at] optonline.net> wrote in message
news:F%WZe.33519$TA2.10704 [at] fe09.lga...
> Who the hell is this moron that keeps polluting this thread
> with idiotic anti-gay nonsense? And why do people keep
> answering or arguing with him instead of ignoring him and
> letting the thread die a natural death? What a waste of
> bandwidth on a purely OT subject!!! (I'm only posting here
> because I have ignored the thread a long time but it never
> goes away, and I just couldn't stand it anymore.)
> ...tonyC (A _real_ SF fan!)

Indeed, and cross posted to a bunch of other groups where it is also OT.
"John Shocked" is a loon! Ignore or killfile him, I wouldn't even know he's
posting except for the people that can't leave him alone. He's not gonna
change his views just because someone says something clever of beats him in
a battle of logic.

DON'T FEED THE TROLL!
--

Qa'pla
Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
"Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty (Spectre of the Gun)

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #139062 ]

Mo, 26 September 2005 22:18

John Shocked

"Anthony Cerrato" <tcerrato [at] optonline.net> wrote in message news:F%WZe.33519$TA2.10704 [at] fe09.lga...
> "Diane L" <diane [at] lindquist.plus.com> wrote in message
> news:4338376f$0$16335$ed2619ec [at] ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
>> John Shocked wrote:
>> > "manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message
>> > news:U9GdnWJB_IoMWKveRVn-ig [at] rogers.com...
>> >> John Shocked wrote:
>> >>> "manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message
>> >>> news:ecGdnR3LheOpaKjeRVn-qA [at] rogers.com...
>> >>>> Stephen Fairchild wrote:
>> >>>>> John Shocked wrote:
>> >>>> [snip]
>> >>>>> John, John. He had her up that way around just to annoy *you*. :)
>> >>>> Plus..., if you check out the new DVD bonus features, Jamie Bamber
>> >>>> quotes an email from a fan who explicitly requests a gay
>> >>>> relationship on the show.
>> >>> Sounds like Bamber is referring to the homosexual lobby which has
>> >>> been aggressively campaigning for homosexual characters to be cast
>> >>> specifically in science
>> >>> fiction TV series for the past 20 years. They finally gained
>> >>> control of the Star Trek series at the end of 1991 when Gene
>> >>> Roddenberry died and Hollywood Homosexual Rick Berman
>> >>> took over and started that Star Trek: Deep Space Nine genderbending
>> >>> trill "Old Man Dax" inside woman [actress] Terry Farrell Jadzia's
>> >>>body Sodomy crap.
>> >> How do you know Berman is gay?
>> >> According to www.IMDb.com he's been married to the same
>> >> woman since 1980. C.
>> > I did not say Berman was a homosexual. As I have stated several
>> > times here, most but not all Hollywood Homosexuals are homosexual.
>> > However, it is obvious from the IMDB listing that he has no children
>> > after 25 years with this one women. Most wealthy and committed
>> > heterosexuals would have sought fruits
>> > from a relationship with another woman by now.
>> Because, of course, in your world no one marries for love.
>> People marry only
>> to have children who can then give them grandchildren. Anyone who is
>> unmarried or married without children is obviously a homosexual (although
>> this does not necessarily involved having sex with or even being attracted
>> to members of their own sex).
>> BTW, how many children do you have, John?
>> Diane L.
> Who the hell is this moron that keeps polluting this thread
> with idiotic anti-gay nonsense? And why do people keep
> answering or arguing with him instead of ignoring him and
> letting the thread die a natural death? What a waste of
> bandwidth on a purely OT subject!!! (I'm only posting here
> because I have ignored the thread a long time but it never
> goes away, and I just couldn't stand it anymore.)
> ...tonyC (A _real_ SF fan!)

Simple. Sodomy is not Off Topic to Battlestar Galactica, and everyone who has watched
this fake science fiction series knows that in spades.
The intent of BSG Hollywood Homosexuals is to sell Sodomy to you and your kids,
not present creative science fiction ideas and visuals.
Most people because of the marketing of Sodomy in the News Media are afraid to criticize
Sodomy on TV. Thus they rely on guys like me to do their talking for them.

Politics

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #139067 ]

Mo, 26 September 2005 23:18

The Watch Dog

John Shocked wrote:

> The intent of BSG Hollywood Homosexuals is to sell Sodomy to you and your kids,
> not present creative science fiction ideas and visuals.

John - your reluctance to even CONSIDER THE OBVIOUS EVIDENCE that BSG
is pushing bigamy, not sodomy, makes me wonder if you are in the employ
of the Hollywood (ex-) Mormons who are pushing this agenda. You are
certainly doing a great job of giving the "silent treatment" to my
thesis, despite all the scenes that support it.

If you are not shilling for the pro-Bigamy crowd (and I hope you are
not), please go back to my post and read over the evidence for bigamy
imagery in BSG. I feel sure you will find it compelling.

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #139068 ]

Mo, 26 September 2005 23:41

John Shocked

"manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message news:lc6dnWhAUZKpwareRVn-hg [at] rogers.com...
> John Shocked wrote:
>> As I have stated several times here, most but not all
>> Hollywood Homosexuals are homosexual.
> How is it possible to be a 'Hollywood Homosexual' and not be 'homosexual'?
> C.

You have to support the Sodomy cause in Hollywood before you will be allowed to work there.
So it is a self-selecting bunch of people.

============================================================ ===
As I have mentioned, Hollywood Homosexuals took control of Hollywood somewhere around 1992.
Let us look at the biggest male Hollywood stars who have arisen since that takeover. (the
list of major Hollywood female stars who had been in homosexual scenes on screen during
this period is simply too long to list here).

Six Degrees of Separation is the name of a Battlestar Galactica episode but it was also the
name of a movie in which Will Smith plays a homosexual hustler. This was the movie that
Will Smith had to do for the Hollywood Homosexuals who control Hollywood before they would
then allow him to obtain the big roles which followed. After this homosexual movie Six
Degrees of Separation (1993), Smith's next Hollywood movies were the following (f. IMDB):

Enemy of the State (1998) .... Robert Clayton Dean
Men in Black (1997) .... James Edwards/Agent J (Jay)
.... aka MIB (USA: promotional abbreviation)
Independence Day (1996) .... Captain Steven 'Steve' Hiller
.... aka ID4 (USA: promotional abbreviation)
Bad Boys (1995) .... Det. Mike Lowrey

Huge money straight movies. In fact, the reports from the set of Six Degrees of Separation
are the Will Smith refused to do a scene in which he was to kiss another man and the scene
was faked. That indicates Smith was not committed to the Sodomy subject matter of this
movie and was coerced into doing the movie. Leonard DiCaprio did the homosexual movie Total
Eclipse (1995), in which there were explicit naked bed scenes. (One of the last things I
saw on homosexual dominated HBO, around 2000-2001 before canceling the service).
The following are the acting jobs he received next:

The Man in the Iron Mask (1998) .... King Louis XIV/Philippe
Titanic (1997) .... Jack Dawson
Marvin's Room (1996) .... Hank
Romeo + Juliet (1996) .... Romeo

At the time of the 1992 takeover of Hollywood by Hollywood Homosexuals, Tom Hanks was an
actor with mediocre success who made his name playing a transvestite in the Bosom Buddies
TV series (1980-1982). Obviously, for the Hollywood Homosexuals this guy was way, way, way
ahead of his time and he had to be made a star. This is what happened to his career once
Hollywood Homosexuals took control:

Apollo 13 (1995) .... Jim Lovell
.... aka Apollo 13: The IMAX Experience (USA: IMAX version)
Forrest Gump (1994) .... Forrest Gump
Vault of Horror I (1994) (TV)
Philadelphia (1993) .... Andrew Beckett
Sleepless in Seattle (1993) .... Sam Baldwin
A League of Their Own (1992) .... Jimmy Dugan

Russell Crowe was an Australian regional actor (born in New Zealand) making Australian
movies until he made the 1994 Australian movie The Sum Of Us, in which he portrayed a
homosexual. It was then that he received the call from Hollywood to appear in his first
Hollywood movie with Sharon Stone "The Quick and the Dead" Here is Crowe's Sodomy rise
to stardom:

Gladiator (2000) .... Maximus
The Insider (1999) .... Dr. Jeffrey Wigand
Mystery, Alaska (1999) .... Sheriff John Biebe
Breaking Up (1997) .... Steve
Heaven's Burning (1997) .... Colin
L.A. Confidential (1997) .... Officer Wendell 'Bud' White
Rough Magic (1995) .... Alex Ross
.... aka Miss Shumway jette un sort (France)
Virtuosity (1995) .... SID 6.7
No Way Back (1995) .... FBI Agent Zack Grant
The Quick and the Dead (1995) .... Cort
The Sum of Us (1994) .... Jeff Mitchell

Ashton Kutcher is rumored to be a homosexual although his public relations people link him
to 'an older woman'. (Special thank you to Ashton Kutcher for appearing in the Gays In
Space II episode on Saturday Night Live 03/19/2005)

Keanu Reeve has long been rumored to be a homosexual. His name Neo in the huge money movie
series Matrix was "Neo", an abbreviation for Neo-Conservative, the group of people we have
talked about who Love Sodomy, and Hate Arabs/Moslems but otherwise despise the Left groups
of The Poor, Blacks, Unions and Women, just like any other regular (paleo-) Conservative.
Mostly huge money movies. Again, the homosexual background was his Rite Of Passage.

This follows the pattern of Jonathan King and other music managers who had their Sodomy rite of
passage for young boys who wanted to become music stars. This Sodomy Rite Of Passage was
portrayed in the Roger Daltrey (of The Who rock and roll music band) movie Like It Is (1998)
and it has also been talked about by Pete Townshend of The Who in interviews.

Fortunately, Jonathan King went to prison for buggering young boys. When are some of these
Hollywood Homosexuals going to be caught and go to prison themselves ? No wonder so many
entertainers support Sodomy, when in many cases they were forced to taste some of it before
they were allowed their big break.

There has to be some element of criminal rape, extortion and racketeering associated with
this Sodomy promotion activity going on in Hollywood.

Politics

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #139069 ]

Di, 27 September 2005 00:13

rja.carnegie

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #139070 ]

Di, 27 September 2005 00:45

Jenn

In article <7zYZe.282094$E95.66971 [at] fed1read01>,
"John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

> The purpose of marriage is child procreation and child nurturing.

According to whom?

> This intent
> of marriage predates
> all forms of religion. If that is not a couple's intent, then they should
> not besmirch the idea of marriage
> with their behavior.

My uncle and aunt are besmirching marriage? Who knew.

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #139072 ]

Di, 27 September 2005 01:57

The Watch Dog

rja.carnegie [at] excite.com wrote:
> ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
> > in article 1127698203.516623.62800 [at] o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, The Watch
> > Dog at tirhuan [at] aol.com wrote on 9/25/05 6:30 PM:
> >
> > > John Shocked wrote:
> > >> They finally gained control of the Star Trek series at the end of 1991 when
> > >> Gene Roddenberry died
> > >> and Hollywood Homosexual Rick Berman took over and started that Star Trek:
> > >> Deep Space Nine
> > >> genderbending trill "Old Man Dax" inside woman Terry Farrell Jadzia's body
> > >> Sodomy crap
> > >
> > > Your timeline of events is way off. The very first Trill story, in ST:
> > > TNG, featured a Trill who started off in a male body, had a
> > > relationship with the ship's female doctor, then came back in a female
> > > body.
> > >
> >
> > And Crusher, incompetent fool that she is, had never heard of a trill and
> > knew nothing of their symbiotes, even though they'd been hanging around the
> > Federation for hundreds of years.
>
> Was it a male symbiote or a female symbiote? And anyway, isn't this
> another case of bigamy?

Ohyes. Oh yes indeed.

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #139077 ]

Di, 27 September 2005 12:48

Jim Phillips

On Mon, 26 Sep 2005, John Shocked wrote:

> "Diane L" <diane [at] lindquist.plus.com> wrote in message news:4338376f$0$16335$ed2619ec [at] ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
> > John Shocked wrote:
> >> "manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message
> >> news:U9GdnWJB_IoMWKveRVn-ig [at] rogers.com...
> >>> John Shocked wrote:
> >>>> "manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:ecGdnR3LheOpaKjeRVn-qA [at] rogers.com...
> >>>>> Stephen Fairchild wrote:
> >>>>>> John Shocked wrote:
> >>>>> [snip]
> >>>>>> John, John. He had her up that way around just to annoy *you*. :)
> >>>>> Plus..., if you check out the new DVD bonus features, Jamie Bamber
> >>>>> quotes an email from a fan who explicitly requests a gay
> >>>>> relationship on the show.
> >>>> Sounds like Bamber is referring to the homosexual lobby which has
> >>>> been aggressively campaigning for homosexual characters to be cast specifically in science
> >>>> fiction TV series for the past 20 years. They finally gained
> >>>> control of the Star Trek series at the end of 1991 when Gene
> >>>> Roddenberry died and Hollywood Homosexual Rick Berman took over and
> >>>> started that Star Trek: Deep Space Nine genderbending trill "Old Man Dax" inside woman [actress] Terry Farrell Jadzia's body
> >>>> Sodomy crap.
> >>> How do you know Berman is gay?
> >>> According to www.IMDb.com he's been married to the same woman since
> >>> 1980. C.
> >> I did not say Berman was a homosexual. As I have stated several
> >> times here, most but not all Hollywood Homosexuals are homosexual. However, it is obvious from the IMDB listing that he has no
> >> children
> >> after 25 years with this one women. Most wealthy and committed heterosexuals would have sought fruits
> >> from a relationship with another woman by now.
> > Because, of course, in your world no one marries for love. People marry only to have children who can then give them
> > grandchildren. Anyone who is unmarried or married without children is obviously a homosexual (although this does not necessarily
> > involved having sex with or even being attracted to members of their own sex).
>
> The purpose of marriage is child procreation and child nurturing.

Are childless couples married? What if a married couple is
incapable of having children and don't want to adopt--are they married?

> This intent of marriage predates
> all forms of religion. If that is not a couple's intent, then they should not besmirch the idea of marriage
> with their behavior. Why should society consecrate two people, or a person and an animal, who are
> merely intent on having sex, homosex, or bestialsex ?

I take it that the concept of "love" is beyond you? How sad.
BTW, sex between a person and an animal is animal abuse (since the
animal cannot give consent). Why do anti-gay types always seem to throw
bestiality into the mix--does it secretly turn you on the way sodomy does?

--
Jim Phillips, jay pee aitch eye el el eye pee at bee see pee ell dot net
"I would bring up Ann Coulter's comment about blowing up the New York
Times...there's a lot of hateful, violent rhetoric that spews from the
Right. The Left is snide and sarcastic, the Right is dangerous and
violent." -- Dan Savage

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #139079 ]

Di, 27 September 2005 14:04

Anthony Cerrato

"John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:GIYZe.282321$E95.132741 [at] fed1read01...
> "Anthony Cerrato" <tcerrato [at] optonline.net> wrote in
message news:F%WZe.33519$TA2.10704 [at] fe09.lga...
> > "Diane L" <diane [at] lindquist.plus.com> wrote in message
> >
news:4338376f$0$16335$ed2619ec [at] ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
> >> John Shocked wrote:
> >> > "manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:U9GdnWJB_IoMWKveRVn-ig [at] rogers.com...
> >> >> John Shocked wrote:
> >> >>> "manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message
> >> >>> news:ecGdnR3LheOpaKjeRVn-qA [at] rogers.com...
> >> >>>> Stephen Fairchild wrote:
> >> >>>>> John Shocked wrote:
> >> >>>> [snip]
> >> >>>>> John, John. He had her up that way around just
to annoy *you*. :)
> >> >>>> Plus..., if you check out the new DVD bonus
features, Jamie Bamber
> >> >>>> quotes an email from a fan who explicitly requests
a gay
> >> >>>> relationship on the show.
> >> >>> Sounds like Bamber is referring to the homosexual
lobby which has
> >> >>> been aggressively campaigning for homosexual
characters to be cast
> >> >>> specifically in science
> >> >>> fiction TV series for the past 20 years. They
finally gained
> >> >>> control of the Star Trek series at the end of 1991
when Gene
> >> >>> Roddenberry died and Hollywood Homosexual Rick
Berman
> >> >>> took over and started that Star Trek: Deep Space
Nine genderbending
> >> >>> trill "Old Man Dax" inside woman [actress] Terry
Farrell Jadzia's
> >> >>>body Sodomy crap.
> >> >> How do you know Berman is gay?
> >> >> According to www.IMDb.com he's been married to the
same
> >> >> woman since 1980. C.
> >> > I did not say Berman was a homosexual. As I have
stated several
> >> > times here, most but not all Hollywood Homosexuals
are homosexual.
> >> > However, it is obvious from the IMDB listing that he
has no children
> >> > after 25 years with this one women. Most wealthy and
committed
> >> > heterosexuals would have sought fruits
> >> > from a relationship with another woman by now.
> >> Because, of course, in your world no one marries for
love.
> >> People marry only
> >> to have children who can then give them grandchildren.
Anyone who is
> >> unmarried or married without children is obviously a
homosexual (although
> >> this does not necessarily involved having sex with or
even being attracted
> >> to members of their own sex).
> >> BTW, how many children do you have, John?
> >> Diane L.
> > Who the hell is this moron that keeps polluting this
thread
> > with idiotic anti-gay nonsense? And why do people keep
> > answering or arguing with him instead of ignoring him
and
> > letting the thread die a natural death? What a waste of
> > bandwidth on a purely OT subject!!! (I'm only posting
here
> > because I have ignored the thread a long time but it
never
> > goes away, and I just couldn't stand it anymore.)
> > ...tonyC (A _real_ SF fan!)
>
> Simple. Sodomy is not Off Topic to Battlestar Galactica,
and everyone who has watched
> this fake science fiction series knows that in spades.
> The intent of BSG Hollywood Homosexuals is to sell Sodomy
to you and your kids,
> not present creative science fiction ideas and visuals.
> Most people because of the marketing of Sodomy in the News
Media are afraid to criticize
> Sodomy on TV. Thus they rely on guys like me to do their
talking for them.
>
> Politics

You are a moron!
PLONK!

....tonyC

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #139082 ]

Di, 27 September 2005 21:43

John Shocked

"Anthony Cerrato" <tcerrato [at] optonline.net> wrote in message news:pza_e.25795$Xa.21692 [at] fe12.lga...
> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:GIYZe.282321$E95.132741 [at] fed1read01...
>> "Anthony Cerrato" <tcerrato [at] optonline.net> wrote in
> message news:F%WZe.33519$TA2.10704 [at] fe09.lga...
>> > "Diane L" <diane [at] lindquist.plus.com> wrote in message
> news:4338376f$0$16335$ed2619ec [at] ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
>> >> John Shocked wrote:
>> >> > "manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:U9GdnWJB_IoMWKveRVn-ig [at] rogers.com...
>> >> >> John Shocked wrote:
>> >> >>> "manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>> news:ecGdnR3LheOpaKjeRVn-qA [at] rogers.com...
>> >> >>>> Stephen Fairchild wrote:
>> >> >>>>> John Shocked wrote:
>> >> >>>> [snip]
>> >> >>>>> John, John. He had her up that way around just to annoy *you*. :)
>> >> >>>> Plus..., if you check out the new DVD bonus features, Jamie Bamber
>> >> >>>> quotes an email from a fan who explicitly requests a gay
>> >> >>>> relationship on the show.
>> >> >>> Sounds like Bamber is referring to the homosexual lobby which has
>> >> >>> been aggressively campaigning for homosexual characters to be cast
>> >> >>> specifically in science fiction TV series for the past 20 years.
>> >> >>> They finally gained control of the Star Trek series at the end of 1991
>> >> >>> when Gene Roddenberry died and Hollywood Homosexual Rick Berman
>> >> >>> took over and started that Star Trek: Deep Space
>> >> >>> Nine genderbending trill "Old Man Dax" inside woman [actress] Terry
>> >> >>> Farrell Jadzia's body Sodomy crap.
>> >> >> How do you know Berman is gay?
>> >> >> According to www.IMDb.com he's been married to the same
>> >> >> woman since 1980. C.
>> >> > I did not say Berman was a homosexual. As I have stated several
>> >> > times here, most but not all Hollywood Homosexuals are homosexual.
>> >> > However, it is obvious from the IMDB listing that he has no children
>> >> > after 25 years with this one women. Most wealthy and committed
>> >> > heterosexuals would have sought fruits
>> >> > from a relationship with another woman by now.
>> >> Because, of course, in your world no one marries for love.
>> >> People marry only to have children who can then give them grandchildren.
>> >> Anyone who is unmarried or married without children is obviously a
>> >> homosexual (although this does not necessarily involved having sex with or
>> >> even being attracted to members of their own sex).
>> >> BTW, how many children do you have, John?
>> >> Diane L.
>> > Who the hell is this moron that keeps polluting this thread
>> > with idiotic anti-gay nonsense? And why do people keep
>> > answering or arguing with him instead of ignoring him and
>> > letting the thread die a natural death? What a waste of
>> > bandwidth on a purely OT subject!!! (I'm only posting here
>> > because I have ignored the thread a long time but it never
>> > goes away, and I just couldn't stand it anymore.)
>> > ...tonyC (A _real_ SF fan!)
>> Simple. Sodomy is not Off Topic to Battlestar Galactica, and everyone who has watched
>> this fake science fiction series knows that in spades.
>> The intent of BSG Hollywood Homosexuals is to sell Sodomy to you and your kids,
>> not present creative science fiction ideas and visuals.
>> Most people because of the marketing of Sodomy in the News Media are afraid to criticize
>> Sodomy on TV. Thus they rely on guys like me to do their talking for them.
>> Politics
> You are a moron!
> PLONK!
> ...tonyC

This is another guy who agrees with my point of view.
A lot of people really want a genuine science fiction TV series on their TV.

Politics

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #139083 ]

Di, 27 September 2005 21:48

John Shocked

"Jenn" <jennconducts [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message news:jennconducts-4AFD52.15462126092005 [at] newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
> In article <7zYZe.282094$E95.66971 [at] fed1read01>,
> "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>> The purpose of marriage is child procreation and child nurturing.
> According to whom?

The whole course of history, worldwide.

>> This intent of marriage predates all forms of religion. If that is not a couple's intent,
>> then they should not besmirch the idea of marriage with their behavior.
> My uncle and aunt are besmirching marriage? Who knew.

It is rare that a man and woman marry without any intention of children being in their home.

Politics

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #139084 ]

Di, 27 September 2005 22:01

John Shocked

"Jim Phillips" <jphillip [at] bcpl.net> wrote in message news:Pine.SOL.3.96.1050927064458.22040F-100000 [at] mail...
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2005, John Shocked wrote:
>> "Diane L" <diane [at] lindquist.plus.com> wrote in message news:4338376f$0$16335$ed2619ec [at] ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
>> > John Shocked wrote:
>> >> "manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:U9GdnWJB_IoMWKveRVn-ig [at] rogers.com...
>> >>> John Shocked wrote:
>> >>>> "manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message
>> >>>> news:ecGdnR3LheOpaKjeRVn-qA [at] rogers.com...
>> >>>>> Stephen Fairchild wrote:
>> >>>>>> John Shocked wrote:
>> >>>>> [snip]
>> >>>>>> John, John. He had her up that way around just to annoy *you*. :)
>> >>>>> Plus..., if you check out the new DVD bonus features, Jamie Bamber
>> >>>>> quotes an email from a fan who explicitly requests a gay
>> >>>>> relationship on the show.
>> >>>> Sounds like Bamber is referring to the homosexual lobby which has
>> >>>> been aggressively campaigning for homosexual characters to be cast specifically in science
>> >>>> fiction TV series for the past 20 years. They finally gained
>> >>>> control of the Star Trek series at the end of 1991 when Gene
>> >>>> Roddenberry died and Hollywood Homosexual Rick Berman took over and
>> >>>> started that Star Trek: Deep Space Nine genderbending trill "Old Man Dax" inside woman [actress] Terry Farrell Jadzia's body
>> >>>> Sodomy crap.
>> >>> How do you know Berman is gay?
>> >>> According to www.IMDb.com he's been married to the same woman since
>> >>> 1980. C.
>> >> I did not say Berman was a homosexual. As I have stated several
>> >> times here, most but not all Hollywood Homosexuals are homosexual. However, it is obvious from the IMDB listing that he has no
>> >> children
>> >> after 25 years with this one women. Most wealthy and committed heterosexuals would have sought fruits
>> >> from a relationship with another woman by now.
>> > Because, of course, in your world no one marries for love. People marry only to have children who can then give them
>> > grandchildren. Anyone who is unmarried or married without children is obviously a homosexual (although this does not
>> > necessarily
>> > involved having sex with or even being attracted to members of their own sex).
>> The purpose of marriage is child procreation and child nurturing.
> Are childless couples married? What if a married couple is
> incapable of having children and don't want to adopt--are they married?

They certainly had the intent to have children so they were simply unlucky.

>> This intent of marriage predates
>> all forms of religion. If that is not a couple's intent, then they should not besmirch the idea of marriage
>> with their behavior. Why should society consecrate two people, or a person and an animal, who are
>> merely intent on having sex, homosex, or bestialsex ?
> I take it that the concept of "love" is beyond you? How sad.
> BTW, sex between a person and an animal is animal abuse (since the
> animal cannot give consent). Why do anti-gay types always seem to throw
> bestiality into the mix--does it secretly turn you on the way sodomy does?

Why not. Unnatural is unnatural. The main difference between the two is that there has yet to be
a major TV campaign proselytizing that "Bestial sex with animals is OK."
What does childless claims of "love" have to do with the state and society ?

Politics

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #139086 ]

Mi, 28 September 2005 00:07

John Shocked

"Kweeg" <kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca> wrote in message news:rFYZe.558321$s54.98337 [at] pd7tw2no...
> "Anthony Cerrato" <tcerrato [at] optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:F%WZe.33519$TA2.10704 [at] fe09.lga...
>> Who the hell is this moron that keeps polluting this thread
>> with idiotic anti-gay nonsense? And why do people keep
>> answering or arguing with him instead of ignoring him and
>> letting the thread die a natural death? What a waste of
>> bandwidth on a purely OT subject!!! (I'm only posting here
>> because I have ignored the thread a long time but it never
>> goes away, and I just couldn't stand it anymore.)
>> ...tonyC (A _real_ SF fan!)
> Indeed, and cross posted to a bunch of other groups where it is also OT.
> "John Shocked" is a loon! Ignore or killfile him, I wouldn't even know he's
> posting except for the people that can't leave him alone. He's not gonna
> change his views just because someone says something clever of beats him in
> a battle of logic.
> DON'T FEED THE TROLL!
> Kweeg

This guy supports Sodomy on TV in Battlestar Galactica. Understand ?
That is the only reason he is here.

Politics

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #139087 ]

Mi, 28 September 2005 01:04

Jenn

In article <smh_e.287782$E95.58920 [at] fed1read01>,
"John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

> "Jenn" <jennconducts [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:jennconducts-4AFD52.15462126092005 [at] newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
> > In article <7zYZe.282094$E95.66971 [at] fed1read01>,
> > "John Shocked" <jshocked [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> The purpose of marriage is child procreation and child nurturing.

> > According to whom?
>
> The whole course of history, worldwide.

Were that true, those who chose to not have children would be forbidden
from engaging in it.

>
> >> This intent of marriage predates all forms of religion. If that is not a
> >> couple's intent,
> >> then they should not besmirch the idea of marriage with their behavior.

> > My uncle and aunt are besmirching marriage? Who knew.
>
> It is rare that a man and woman marry without any intention of children being
> in their home.

1. It's not that rare. As of 1995, over 6% of married women of child
bearing age were childless by choice, and the number is increasing.
2. Your statement is beside the point. You are stating that my uncle
and aunt are "besmirching marriage." I strongly disagree.

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #139088 ]

Mi, 28 September 2005 00:56

The Watch Dog

John Shocked wrote:
>
> This guy supports Sodomy on TV in Battlestar Galactica. Understand ?
> That is the only reason he is here.

And John supports bigamy in BSG. He refuses to refute evidence of it,
or even notice it. I am beginning to believe that's the only reason HE
is here.

Re: BSG Sodomy deviant scene again [message #139090 ]

Mi, 28 September 2005 04:45

donotreply

John Shocked wrote:
> "Jim Phillips" <jphillip [at] bcpl.net> wrote in message news:Pine.SOL.3.96.=
1050927064458.22040F-100000 [at] mail...
>=20
>>On Mon, 26 Sep 2005, John Shocked wrote:
>>
>>>"Diane L" <diane [at] lindquist.plus.com> wrote in message news:4338376f$0$=
16335$ed2619ec [at] ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
>>>
>>>>John Shocked wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:U9GdnWJB_IoMWKveRVn-ig [at] rogers.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>John Shocked wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"manitou" <manitou910 [at] rogers.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:ecGdnR3LheOpaKjeRVn-qA [at] rogers.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Stephen Fairchild wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>John Shocked wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>[snip]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>John, John. He had her up that way around just to annoy *you*. =
:)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Plus..., if you check out the new DVD bonus features, Jamie Bambe=
r
>>>>>>>>quotes an email from a fan who explicitly requests a gay
>>>>>>>>relationship on the show.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sounds like Bamber is referring to the homosexual lobby which has
>>>>>>>been aggressively campaigning for homosexual characters to be cast=
specifically in science
>>>>>>>fiction TV series for the past 20 years. They finally gained
>>>>>>>control of the Star Trek series at the end of 1991 when Gene
>>>>>>>Roddenberry died and Hollywood Homosexual Rick Berman took over an=
d
>>>>>>>started that Star Trek: Deep Space Nine genderbending trill "Old M=
an Dax" inside woman [actress] Terry Farrell Jadzia's body
>>>>>>>Sodomy crap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How do you know Berman is gay?
>>>>>>According to www.IMDb.com he's been married to the same woman since=

>>>>>>1980. C.
>>>>>
>>>>>I did not say Berman was a homosexual. As I have stated several
>>>>>times here, most but not all Hollywood Homosexuals are homosexual. H=
owever, it is obvious from the IMDB listing that he has no
>>>>>children
>>>>>after 25 years with this one women. Most wealthy and committed heter=
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>>>>>from a relationship with another woman by now.
>>>>
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>>>>grandchildren. Anyone who is unmarried or married without children is=
obviously a homosexual (although this does not=20
>>>>necessarily
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own sex).
>>>
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>>
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>>incapable of having children and don't want to adopt--are they married?=

>=20
>=20
> They certainly had the intent to have children so they were simply unlu=
cky.
>=20

Not true and you know it. Many married couples choose not to have=20
children. Many people too old to have children get married. Many=20
people who know that they are unable to have children get married. Want =

to tell us some more lies?

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>>>This intent of marriage predates
>>>all forms of religion. If that is not a couple's intent, then they sh=
ould not besmirch the idea of marriage
>>>with their behavior. Why should society consecrate two people, or a p=
erson and an animal, who are
>>>merely intent on having sex, homosex, or bestialsex ?
>>
>>I take it that the concept of "love" is beyond you? How sad.
>>BTW, sex between a person and an animal is animal abuse (since the
>>animal cannot give consent). Why do anti-gay types always seem to thro=
w
>>bestiality into the mix--does it secretly turn you on the way sodomy do=
es?
>=20
>=20
> Why not. Unnatural is unnatural. The main difference between the two =
is that there has yet to be
> a major TV campaign proselytizing that "Bestial sex with animals is OK.=
"
> What does childless claims of "love" have to do with the state and soci=
ety ?
>=20
> Politics
>=20

You are trying to push your definition of normal off on the entire=20
planet. You are not qualified to do so. Besides you are a paranoid idio=
t.

>=20

--=20
Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is none=20
more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant=20
to reason, and more contradictory in itself, than this thing called=20
Christianity. Too absurd for belief, too impossible to convince, and too =

inconsistent for practice, it renders the heart torpid, or produces only =

atheists and fanatics. As an engine of power, it serves the purpose of=20
despotism; and as a means of wealth, the avarice of priests; but so far=20
as respects the good of man in general, it leads to nothing here or=20
hereafter. =96Thomas Paine

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