| Vote for Star Trek [message #135496] |
Mi, 21 September 2005 01:58 |
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http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/
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| Re: Vote for Star Trek [message #135505 ] |
Mi, 21 September 2005 08:58 |
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ToolPackinMama wrote:
> http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/
Angel Are they insane..........
Vote Buffy
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| Re: Vote for Star Trek [message #135506 ] |
Mi, 21 September 2005 11:08 |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:58:10 -0400, ToolPackinMama
<laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote:
>http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/
Sorry, I voted for 3rd Rock From The Sun :-)
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| Re: Vote for Star Trek [message #135507 ] |
Mi, 21 September 2005 15:53 |
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ToolPackinMama wrote:
> http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/
The "Best TV Shows Of All Time"??
It's obvious from the list of the front-runners that most of those
voting must be young sci-fi fans.
Any poll that doesn't have "All In The Family" as one of the top TV
shows of all time is clearly skewed beyond hope of repair.
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| Re: Vote for Star Trek [message #135508 ] |
Mi, 21 September 2005 16:31 |
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"Steven L." <sdlitvin [at] earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
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> ToolPackinMama wrote:
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>> http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/
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> The "Best TV Shows Of All Time"??
>
> It's obvious from the list of the front-runners that most of those voting
> must be young sci-fi fans.
Your analysis is ignorant. Clearly nerds are voting, that much can be said.
But the fact that Xena: Warrior Princess is currently winning suggests that
for the most part, groups of nerds are stuffing the ballot box with joke
votes. I'm sure there is a thread in some NG somewhere that says, "Fellow
nerds, vote for Xena and blow everybody's mind!" I believe the votes for
Star Trek and Simpsons are legitimate, as only nerds would actually take
something like this seriously and would therefore vote for their favorite
show.
> Any poll that doesn't have "All In The Family" as one of the top TV shows
> of all time is clearly skewed beyond hope of repair.
>
Not really. That humor was directed at a specific demographic at a specific
time in history. It does not have the staying power or perpetual relevance
of, say, the Stooges or Star Trek. A bunch of jokes about Meathead's
liberalism and Archie's 60's-70's era racial conservatism will never really
land with an audience again because it was so specific to that period. It is
just not funny if you weren't there. People who say this is the greatest
comedy series ever are the ones who were alive in that time period and of an
age where the jokes were relevant. It will be like in 20 years when I tell
my kids that The Simpsons was so super funny and then they watch it and
wonder, "What the hell is an internet?"
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| Re: Vote for Star Trek [message #135516 ] |
Mi, 21 September 2005 23:47 |
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Roderick Rutlidge wrote:
> "Steven L." <sdlitvin [at] earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
> news:IBdYe.1184$zQ3.96 [at] newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
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>>ToolPackinMama wrote:
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>>>http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/
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>>The "Best TV Shows Of All Time"??
>>
>>It's obvious from the list of the front-runners that most of those voting
>>must be young sci-fi fans.
>
>
> Your analysis is ignorant. Clearly nerds are voting, that much can be said.
> But the fact that Xena: Warrior Princess is currently winning suggests that
> for the most part, groups of nerds are stuffing the ballot box with joke
> votes. I'm sure there is a thread in some NG somewhere that says, "Fellow
> nerds, vote for Xena and blow everybody's mind!" I believe the votes for
> Star Trek and Simpsons are legitimate, as only nerds would actually take
> something like this seriously and would therefore vote for their favorite
> show.
>
>
>
>>Any poll that doesn't have "All In The Family" as one of the top TV shows
>>of all time is clearly skewed beyond hope of repair.
>>
>
>
> Not really. That humor was directed at a specific demographic at a specific
> time in history. It does not have the staying power or perpetual relevance
> of, say, the Stooges or Star Trek.
I don't define "The Greatest TV Shows Of All Time" as meaning they must
be perpetually relevant. Any more than a list of "The Greatest
Scientists Of All Time" must only include scientists whose theories of
science are still considered correct. Newton will always be considered
one of the greatest scientists of all time, even though his theories
have been superseded by Einstein's. Galileo was a great scientist, even
though we have learned a thousand times more about astronomy than he
ever knew.
A show that was groundbreaking *for its time* has to be considered great.
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| Re: Vote for Star Trek [message #135520 ] |
Do, 22 September 2005 02:49 |
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Steven L. wrote:
> A show that was groundbreaking *for its time* has to be considered great.
The fan phenomenon that Star Trek spawned remains to this day
unsurpassed, unequaled. The worldwide cultural impact of Star Trek
remains to this day unequaled. Not only does it stand up as art and as
entertainment decades later, but the tsunami like ripple-effect it had
on every human creature is still being felt.
No other TV show even comes close to Star Trek when it comes to IMPACT.
It was like when a comet hits the earth and alters the global
environment worldwide...except it was a positive change, not a negative
one. IMHO, Star Trek is the greatest TV show ever, period. The others
on the list with it don't even belong in the same class with it. It's
not even close.
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| Re: Vote for Star Trek [message #135521 ] |
Do, 22 September 2005 03:04 |
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Did Bonanza sire several spin-offs? Did Xena give rise to a series of
Xena movies? Neither one of those shows were what I would call
important. Popular, yes. Important, no. Entertaining, yes. Great? No.
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| Re: Vote for Star Trek [message #135525 ] |
Do, 22 September 2005 05:52 |
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ToolPackinMama <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in
news:CcSdnde6ArS5nq_eRVn-pg [at] comcast.com:
> Did Bonanza sire several spin-offs? Did Xena give rise to a series of
> Xena movies? Neither one of those shows were what I would call
> important. Popular, yes. Important, no. Entertaining, yes. Great?
> No.
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.....and women on Star Trek are far and above those on Xena.
Xena was a waste of film!
LLAP, Bob
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| Re: Vote for Star Trek [message #135526 ] |
Do, 22 September 2005 07:23 |
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PzKfw Bob wrote:
> ....and women on Star Trek are far and above those on Xena.
You can say that again!
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| Re: Vote for Star Trek [message #135531 ] |
Do, 22 September 2005 17:14 |
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"Steven L." <sdlitvin [at] earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
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> Roderick Rutlidge wrote:
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>> "Steven L." <sdlitvin [at] earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
>> news:IBdYe.1184$zQ3.96 [at] newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
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>>>ToolPackinMama wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/
>>>
>>>The "Best TV Shows Of All Time"??
>>>
>>>It's obvious from the list of the front-runners that most of those voting
>>>must be young sci-fi fans.
>>
>>
>> Your analysis is ignorant. Clearly nerds are voting, that much can be
>> said. But the fact that Xena: Warrior Princess is currently winning
>> suggests that for the most part, groups of nerds are stuffing the ballot
>> box with joke votes. I'm sure there is a thread in some NG somewhere that
>> says, "Fellow nerds, vote for Xena and blow everybody's mind!" I believe
>> the votes for Star Trek and Simpsons are legitimate, as only nerds would
>> actually take something like this seriously and would therefore vote for
>> their favorite show.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Any poll that doesn't have "All In The Family" as one of the top TV shows
>>>of all time is clearly skewed beyond hope of repair.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Not really. That humor was directed at a specific demographic at a
>> specific time in history. It does not have the staying power or perpetual
>> relevance of, say, the Stooges or Star Trek.
>
> I don't define "The Greatest TV Shows Of All Time" as meaning they must be
> perpetually relevant. Any more than a list of "The Greatest Scientists Of
> All Time" must only include scientists whose theories of science are still
> considered correct. Newton will always be considered one of the greatest
> scientists of all time, even though his theories have been superseded by
> Einstein's. Galileo was a great scientist, even though we have learned a
> thousand times more about astronomy than he ever knew.
>
> A show that was groundbreaking *for its time* has to be considered great.
>
Could be considered great, but certainly not the best. Certainly not as
great as material that can entertain everyone of all generations and isn't
tied to a time period.
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| Re: Vote for Star Trek [message #135532 ] |
Do, 22 September 2005 17:44 |
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ToolPackinMama wrote:
> Steven L. wrote:
>
>> A show that was groundbreaking *for its time* has to be considered great.
>
>
> The fan phenomenon that Star Trek spawned remains to this day
> unsurpassed, unequaled. The worldwide cultural impact of Star Trek
> remains to this day unequaled.
Don't get me wrong, I do believe Star Trek belongs on any list of Top 10
shows of all time--because it was groundbreaking for its time.
Roddenberry could not have foreseen the cult following or the lasting
impact. But he sure knew he wanted to do a sci-fi TV show that would be
a major departure from previous TV sci-fi offerings, which were
basically kiddie shows. And he succeeded.
But Star Trek is the *only* sci-fi show on my list of Top 10 shows of
all time. The other shows on my list are from other genres.
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Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email: sdlitvin [at] earthlinkNOSPAM.net
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| Re: Vote for Star Trek [message #135534 ] |
Fr, 23 September 2005 00:09 |
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On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:44:08 GMT, "Steven L." <sdlitvin [at] earthlinkNOSPAM.net>
wrote:
>But Star Trek is the *only* sci-fi show on my list of Top 10 shows of
>all time. The other shows on my list are from other genres.
It wasn't always sci-fi, but Twilight Zone belongs on that list, and I'd put
it ahead of Trek. I suspect the set of all shows with consistently better
writing is empty ..
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| Re: Vote for Star Trek [message #135535 ] |
Fr, 23 September 2005 01:22 |
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Steven L. wrote:
> Don't get me wrong, I do believe Star Trek belongs on any list of Top 10
> shows of all time
Boy, you can say that again.
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| Re: Vote for Star Trek [message #137695 ] |
Fr, 23 September 2005 15:34 |
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George Peatty wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:44:08 GMT, "Steven L." <sdlitvin [at] earthlinkNOSPAM.net>
> wrote:
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>>But Star Trek is the *only* sci-fi show on my list of Top 10 shows of
>>all time. The other shows on my list are from other genres.
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> It wasn't always sci-fi, but Twilight Zone belongs on that list, and I'd put
> it ahead of Trek.
Twilight Zone is on my list, but as you say it's not really a sci-fi show.
On the newsgroup alt.tv.lost, we've had a discussion about what genre to
call shows like TZ, Twin Peaks and Lost, which aren't quite sci-fi but
aren't quite fantasy either. Someone suggested they are "magical
realism," a term which has till now largely been applied to a genre of
written literature:
http://tinyurl.com/atrz2
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| Re: Vote for Star Trek [message #137699 ] |
Fr, 23 September 2005 20:10 |
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"ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> schreef in bericht
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> http://richlabonte.net/tvvote/
Just did. ;-)
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| Re: Vote for Star Trek [message #137700 ] |
Fr, 23 September 2005 20:13 |
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"ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> schreef in bericht
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> Steven L. wrote:
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>> Don't get me wrong, I do believe Star Trek belongs on any list of Top 10
>> shows of all time
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> Boy, you can say that again.
Thirding that.
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| Re: Vote for Star Trek [message #137702 ] |
Fr, 23 September 2005 21:23 |
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All in favor, say "AYE!"
"Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote in message
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> "ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> schreef in bericht
> news:kv2dnVmIQNwgoa7enZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
>> Steven L. wrote:
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>>> Don't get me wrong, I do believe Star Trek belongs on any list of Top 10
>>> shows of all time
>>
>> Boy, you can say that again.
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> Thirding that.
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| Re: Vote for Star Trek [message #137703 ] |
Fr, 23 September 2005 21:48 |
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Nay! TNG was better
"Captain Kundalini" <captkundalini [at] austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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> All in favor, say "AYE!"
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> "Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote in message
> news:dh1gjp$o5g$1 [at] news3.zwoll1.ov.home.nl...
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>> "ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> schreef in bericht
>> news:kv2dnVmIQNwgoa7enZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d [at] comcast.com...
>>> Steven L. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't get me wrong, I do believe Star Trek belongs on any list of Top
>>>> 10 shows of all time
>>>
>>> Boy, you can say that again.
>>
>> Thirding that.
>>
>> --
>> www.Wouter.Valentijn.name
>> www.zeppodunsel.nl
>> www.scifics.com
>> www.nksf.nl
>> liam=mail
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| Re: Vote for Star Trek [message #137704 ] |
Fr, 23 September 2005 23:50 |
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On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:23:05 GMT, "Captain Kundalini"
<captkundalini [at] austin.rr.com> wrote:
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>All in favor, say "AYE!"
So say we all.
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| Re: Vote for Star Trek [message #137709 ] |
So, 25 September 2005 04:03 |
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in article Xns96D8F2CDEF64CKnights.of.our.times [at] 216.196.97.142, PzKfw Bob at
my2cents [at] worth.ca wrote on 9/21/05 8:52 PM:
> ToolPackinMama <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in
> news:CcSdnde6ArS5nq_eRVn-pg [at] comcast.com:
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>> Did Bonanza sire several spin-offs? Did Xena give rise to a series of
>> Xena movies? Neither one of those shows were what I would call
>> important. Popular, yes. Important, no. Entertaining, yes. Great?
>> No.
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> ....and women on Star Trek are far and above those on Xena.
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> Xena was a waste of film!
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> LLAP, Bob
Two words: Hudson Leick.
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