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Fantasy » alt.fan.pratchett » [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294699 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 13:58
PeterH  
It all started on Wed, 05 Jul 2006 12:04:32 +0100, when CeltiKaos wrote:

> On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 20:02:36 +0000, Anastasia wrote:
>
>> Never let it be said, either, that I don't send pics where there's even
>> a hint of a polite request.
>> http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c331/esmeraldus/ICFA_1.jpg
>
> The words 'cold' 'shower' and 'omigod' spring to mind :)

For goodness' sake, man, get a grip.

It's just a photo of a woman playing squash.


...PeterH
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294700 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 14:01
CeltiKaos  
On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 13:58:31 +0200, Peter Davies wrote:

> It's just a photo of a woman playing squash.
>
>
> ..PeterH

*choke*

*collapse laughing*
--
Kind regards,

Julian Hall
"I'm only on the planet because I missed the bus home"
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294701 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 14:04
CeltiKaos  
On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 13:57:16 +0200, Peter Davies wrote:

> Well, I got this far because I got intrigued by all the interesting sizes.
> EEs and Fs and even LLs... it made me think that at some point bras should
> switch over from being sold by size to being sold by volume.
>
>
> ..PeterH

Maybe Hex values?
--
Kind regards,

Julian Hall
"I'm only on the planet because I missed the bus home"
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294703 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 14:22
Arthur Hagen  
esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:
> on 04/07/2006 21:14 Cathy Young said the following:
>
>> Hmm. Generally speaking I have around a size 10 waist, size 14 hips
>> and bust.
>>
>> In M&S this translates as
>
> <snip>
>
> And men wonder why it takes women ages to buy clothes.

No, I think that boils down to simple maths: Women buy X times as much
apparel as men, so they spend X times as much time buying apparel.

Regards,
--
*Art
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294707 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 15:28
esmi  
on 05/07/2006 13:22 Arthur Hagen said the following:
> esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:

>> And men wonder why it takes women ages to buy clothes.
> No, I think that boils down to simple maths: Women buy X times as much
> apparel as men, so they spend X times as much time buying apparel.

If we only spent X times as long, that wouldn't be a problem but I think
it works out at XY - based on buying women X times as many clothes as
men and needing Y additional time to find an item that actually fits!

--
esmi

A Brief Guide to alt.fan.pratchett:
http://www.blackwidows.co.uk/afp-guide/
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294710 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 16:05
mcv  
Peter Davies <peterhjr [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> It all started on Wed, 05 Jul 2006 12:24:50 +0100, when CeltiKaos wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:39:19 +0000, mcv wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know much about bra sizes (why am I even reading this?)
>>
>> And how did you get this far down the thread? ;)
>>
>> *thinks to self* so did you, now shush before anyone notices!
>
> Well, I got this far because I got intrigued by all the interesting sizes.
> EEs and Fs and even LLs... it made me think that at some point bras should
> switch over from being sold by size to being sold by volume.

I wasn't aware of the existence of such sizes either. I thought it was
just A to D, and larger than that was occasionally called DD or E, but
there's nothing official about either. Or so I thought, anyway. I have
absolutely no idea what LL is supposed to look like, but Lolo Ferrari
comes to mind, and I can't believe that's very healthy. I mean, I hear
women with size D (DD or E perhaps?) complain about their backs and
shoulders.


mcv.
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294711 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 16:06
mcv  
Graycat <rosen.elin [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> On 05 Jul 2006 08:39:19 GMT, mcv <mcvmcv [at] xs4all.nl> jotted
> down:
>>Random C <random [at] panatropic.net> wrote:
>>> Random C wrote:
>>>> Cathy Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> (Ah, the perennial AFP bra thread.)
>>>>>
>>>> The online measurement guides tell me I'm a 36C. Selfridges tell me I'm
>>>> a 30 or 32D. Selfridges are right. For the first time *ever* my bras
>>>> don't hurt.
>>> Oh, I just looked at another one someone commented about on LJ. *that*
>>> tells me I'm a 38A.
>>
>>I don't know much about bra sizes (why am I even reading this?), so I
>>don't see how there can possibly be any confusion between 38A and 30D.
>>Aren't they basically exact opposites?
>
> The size of the cup is different within the cup size
> depending on the circumference. So a 38A and a 30D could
> well have thhe same size cup, but the woman needing the 30 D
> would have to wind the strap twice around her body with the
> 38A.

So how can a measuring system mess up the 30/38 part? Sounds to me like
that's the easiest bit to determine.


mcv.
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294712 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 16:22
Paul Harman  
"mcv" <mcvmcv [at] xs4all.nl> wrote in message
news:44abc721$0$31640$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl...
> I wasn't aware of the existence of such sizes either. I thought it was
> just A to D, and larger than that was occasionally called DD or E, but
> there's nothing official about either. Or so I thought, anyway. I have
> absolutely no idea what LL is supposed to look like, but Lolo Ferrari
> comes to mind, and I can't believe that's very healthy. I mean, I hear
> women with size D (DD or E perhaps?) complain about their backs and
> shoulders.


Well, my wife definitely does have back problems, and her grandmother had to
have a reduction because if the damage it was doing to her spine.

But my wife doesn't look *that* large in the chest - nothing like what you'd
expect LL to mean. Sure, it's generous - but it's not as if she's wider than
she is tall, or in imminent danger of overbalancing forwards };*)

Having occasionally observed soft-pr0n images with names such as "34DD
babe", I'd say she was fairly comparable to that.

So I believe the cup size is more about the shape of the breast, and how it
adjoins the rest of the torso - how far back under the arms and round the
sides it goes, for example.

So a word of warning to you teens out there: you might think you want a
girlfriend with an enormous sounding bra size, but believe me you don't. You
can't buy her underwear - no-one sells anything you want to see her in.
Bikinis? Forget it. Anything much beyond a 36D and no-one makes anything
that fits. Wardrobe options are limited to gents T-shirts and very baggy
jumpers. :*(

Paul
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294717 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 17:11
Graycat  
On 05 Jul 2006 14:06:37 GMT, mcv <mcvmcv [at] xs4all.nl> jotted
down:

>Graycat <rosen.elin [at] gmail.com> wrote:

>> The size of the cup is different within the cup size
>> depending on the circumference. So a 38A and a 30D could
>> well have thhe same size cup, but the woman needing the 30 D
>> would have to wind the strap twice around her body with the
>> 38A.
>
>So how can a measuring system mess up the 30/38 part? Sounds to me like
>that's the easiest bit to determine.

It should be, yes.

Using the calculation stores give customers I end up with a
cup that's two sizes too small - this can be compensated by
increasing the circumference, just not very well...

--
Elin
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
The Oswalds DW casting award - Vote Now!
http://www.student.lu.se/~his02ero/Oswald/index.html
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294727 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 18:47
mcv  
Graycat <rosen.elin [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 10:00:08 +0100, "Paul Harman"
> <chatterbox [at] doctorwhowebguide.net> jotted down:
>>"Random C" <random [at] panatropic.net> wrote in message
>>news:opzqg.96181$wl.61463 [at] text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>> ...you expect this? Are you that one fabled woman for whom the clothes in
>>> shops *actually fit*? (In marks and spencers I am somewhere between a 6
>>> and a 14. From what I can work out, my waist is a 6 and my arse is a 14.
>>> In Miss Selfridge, last I tried a size 16 was far too small.
>>> On pure measurements, I am within a couple of centimetres of the apparent
>>> fashion-industry ideal size 12 that sample garments are made to (or as my
>>> drafting tutor put it 'goodness! You're almost a Gloria! Except a
>>> different *shape*...')
>>
>>Mmmm. I hear you. My wife and I long ago came to the conclusion that women's
>>clothes are made by men for men to wear, because they just don't seem to
>>take into account the fact that women have a nice curvy shape as opposed to
>>being straight up-and-down.
>
> I think they're made for models - ie women who look like
> young men in their mid teens only skinnier...
>
> My dad has a theory that this is because fashion designers
> tend to be gay men, but probably it's just because women
> shaped like clothes racks are much easier to fit.
>
> Anyhow, it would be nice with clothes that took those of us
> who are towars the more hour-glassy end of the shape
> spectrum into account - allowing for a waist that is quite a
> bit narrower than what's above and below it.

My sister often complains about the same problem. She's a pretty
normal or even athletic shape in most areas, but finding trousers
that fit her hips is really hard.

But to her dismay, she recently discovered a whole new class of
nonexistent clothing: maternity motor leathers.


mcv.
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294730 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 19:26
Lister  
On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 20:43:45 GMT, "Anastasia"
<house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>> (Not sure if he should stay well away or wander down)
>
>I get that a lot. ;-)
>


Just out of interest, did you cut your hair before that pic? (IIRC
you once had a pic with id long)
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294731 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 20:28
Karl  
In article <e8elrt$10o5$1 [at] mud.stack.nl>,
esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:
> on 04/07/2006 21:14 Cathy Young said the following:

> > Hmm. Generally speaking I have around a size 10 waist, size 14 hips
> > and bust.
> And men wonder why it takes women ages to buy clothes.

What is it with 'sizes'?
Do manufacturers assume women can't cope with real measurements (ie
waist/leg/'outside' chest)? Is it commercial suicide when it's discovered
that they're not a 14, but 36"? Or just that it's hard to have 'size 10
creep' when the numbers are real?

Madness! Madness I tells you!!
Re: [I] Potential London Meets [message #294736 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 19:54
Lister  
On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 22:41:01 GMT, "Anastasia"
<house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

>Aquarion wrote:
>
><staciemeet>
>
>> So if we were to say, for example, the Saturday before the Con, at,
>> say, The Green Man in London, then things might start heading in
>> the right direction...
>
>Ohhhhh, so THAT is how it happens.
>


I'm not very good at this organisation business, but if you were to
get up to Edinburgh or thereabouts after the con I could try and set
something up.
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294738 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 20:09
SteveD  
On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 18:28:14 +0000 (GMT), Karl <karl [at] kincaid.org.uk>
wrote:

>What is it with 'sizes'?

FUD, pure and simple.

>it's hard to have 'size 10 creep' when the numbers are real?

Bingo.

Consider also that most consumers do not stop and really *think* about the
processes that led to minor aspects of the stuff they're buying. Not do
they get annoyed enough to ask themselves if there could be a better way.


-SteveD
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294747 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 21:31
Graycat  
On 05 Jul 2006 16:47:54 GMT, mcv <mcvmcv [at] xs4all.nl> jotted
down:


>But to her dismay, she recently discovered a whole new class of
>nonexistent clothing: maternity motor leathers.

Er...perhaps because the activities that require such are
generally not recommended for pregnant people?

--
Elin
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
The Oswalds DW casting award - Vote Now!
http://www.student.lu.se/~his02ero/Oswald/index.html
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294748 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 21:32
Graycat  
On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 18:28:14 +0000 (GMT), Karl
<karl [at] kincaid.org.uk> jotted down:

>In article <e8elrt$10o5$1 [at] mud.stack.nl>,
> esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:
>> on 04/07/2006 21:14 Cathy Young said the following:
>
>> > Hmm. Generally speaking I have around a size 10 waist, size 14 hips
>> > and bust.
>> And men wonder why it takes women ages to buy clothes.
>
>What is it with 'sizes'?
>Do manufacturers assume women can't cope with real measurements (ie
>waist/leg/'outside' chest)? Is it commercial suicide when it's discovered
>that they're not a 14, but 36"? Or just that it's hard to have 'size 10
>creep' when the numbers are real?
>
>Madness! Madness I tells you!!

Er...as far as I'm aware most men's clothing comes in sizes
too. Usually S/M/L, but also numbered.

--
Elin
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
The Oswalds DW casting award - Vote Now!
http://www.student.lu.se/~his02ero/Oswald/index.html
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294749 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 21:37
mcv  
Paul Harman <chatterbox [at] doctorwhowebguide.net> wrote:
>
> Mmmm. I hear you. My wife and I long ago came to the conclusion that women's
> clothes are made by men for men to wear, because they just don't seem to
> take into account the fact that women have a nice curvy shape as opposed to
> being straight up-and-down.

I sometimes get the feeling many men's trousers are designed for women.
Or possibly transsexuals. People without the bits that I have between
my legs, anyway.

A kilt, now *that's* proper men's clothing.

But apart from that issue, trousers are also still too short, or have
too much hip, or too little, or whatever.

Maybe clothing designers should get some anatomy lessons or something.


mcv.
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294751 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 21:40
mcv  
Graycat <rosen.elin [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> On 05 Jul 2006 16:47:54 GMT, mcv <mcvmcv [at] xs4all.nl> jotted
> down:
>
>>But to her dismay, she recently discovered a whole new class of
>>nonexistent clothing: maternity motor leathers.
>
> Er...perhaps because the activities that require such are
> generally not recommended for pregnant people?

Her belly starts interfering with her clothes long before it
starts infering with those activities.

However, she solved the problem by cutting up old leather
pants and giving them a bit more room and elasticity around
the waist.


mcv.
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294752 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 21:44
mcv  
Graycat <rosen.elin [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 18:28:14 +0000 (GMT), Karl
> <karl [at] kincaid.org.uk> jotted down:
>>
>>What is it with 'sizes'?
>>Do manufacturers assume women can't cope with real measurements (ie
>>waist/leg/'outside' chest)? Is it commercial suicide when it's discovered
>>that they're not a 14, but 36"? Or just that it's hard to have 'size 10
>>creep' when the numbers are real?
>>
>>Madness! Madness I tells you!!
>
> Er...as far as I'm aware most men's clothing comes in sizes
> too. Usually S/M/L, but also numbered.

I prefer my trousers with seperate sizes for waist and length.
And I think they're in inches.


mcv (34"/38").
[I] Clothes sizes [message #294753 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 21:44
Kevin Golding  
Graycat <rosen.elin [at] gmail.com> once did write....
>Er...as far as I'm aware most men's clothing comes in sizes
>too. Usually S/M/L, but also numbered.

The numbers do vaguely mean something though. Shirts are neck size,
jackets are chest size, trousers are waist and inside leg. You buy
whatever the measurement is, no conversions needed.

S/M/L is wonderfully vague and can't be used as anything more than a
theory when it comes to how big the clothes actually end up being.
Largely because men can be just as vain as women - albeit we apparently
want everything large and manly instead of small and dainty.

Caomhin,
who once found something which was only made in L/XL/XXL
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294754 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 21:46
mcv  
esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:
> on 05/07/2006 13:22 Arthur Hagen said the following:
>> esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:
>
>>> And men wonder why it takes women ages to buy clothes.
>> No, I think that boils down to simple maths: Women buy X times as much
>> apparel as men, so they spend X times as much time buying apparel.
>
> If we only spent X times as long, that wouldn't be a problem but I think
> it works out at XY - based on buying women X times as many clothes as
> men and needing Y additional time to find an item that actually fits!

I think men just give up sooner. There's fewer shops that sell men's
clothes, and there's a lot less choice for us, so eventually I either
give up, or I give in and buy something that's not quite what I
wanted.


mcv.
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294757 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 22:01
Random C  
mcv wrote:
> esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:
>
>>on 05/07/2006 13:22 Arthur Hagen said the following:
>>
>>>esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:
>>
>>>>And men wonder why it takes women ages to buy clothes.
>>>
>>>No, I think that boils down to simple maths: Women buy X times as much
>>>apparel as men, so they spend X times as much time buying apparel.
>>
>>If we only spent X times as long, that wouldn't be a problem but I think
>>it works out at XY - based on buying women X times as many clothes as
>>men and needing Y additional time to find an item that actually fits!
>
>
> I think men just give up sooner. There's fewer shops that sell men's
> clothes, and there's a lot less choice for us, so eventually I either
> give up, or I give in and buy something that's not quite what I
> wanted.
>
No, I think there really is more to it than that. A male coworker today
was waxing lyrical about having found somewhere that sold trousers which
fit him, but having found this one shop where this was the case, he
managed to buy six pairs of trousers in different styles, all in the
same size, and they all fit.
Last time I was buying trousers - and bear in mind that I long ago gave
up on the idea of finding anywhere which sells trousers with a waist
that comes anywhere close to mine - I discovered that in *one* shop my
hips were an 8, a 12, and too big for a 14. I didn't find anything in a
10 which fit, but I'm sure if I'd looked a bit more I would have found
some. These were all, of course, low-waisted, which I hate. The only
exception to this I can find at the moment is M&S Per Una stretch jeans,
which are still lower in the waist than I'd like but not as bad as
most. I have five pairs of them in three different sizes. Yes, three
sizes of *exactly the same style*.
--
Random_c
Drive-by postings a speciality
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294759 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 21:51
Ailbhe  
Graycat <rosen.elin [at] gmail.com> wrote
(on Wed, 05 Jul 2006 21:31:11 +0200):
> On 05 Jul 2006 16:47:54 GMT, mcv <mcvmcv [at] xs4all.nl> jotted
> down:
>
> >But to her dismay, she recently discovered a whole new class of
> >nonexistent clothing: maternity motor leathers.
>
> Er...perhaps because the activities that require such are
> generally not recommended for pregnant people?

Motorcycling is no more dangerous for a pregnant woman than for an
unpregnant one. It's like cycling or driving or being a pedestrian in
that regard. The risks it poses to the woman and the fetus are pretty
much the same, except that the fetus has a sort of built-in safety
system in case of mild accidents.

A.
who recently found a pair of maternity trousers with *pockets*, and who
is often told she can't possibly cycle.
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294761 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 22:29
Stacie Hanes  
Peter Davies wrote:
> It all started on Wed, 05 Jul 2006 12:04:32 +0100, when CeltiKaos
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 20:02:36 +0000, Anastasia wrote:
>>
>>> Never let it be said, either, that I don't send pics where
>>> there's even a hint of a polite request.
>>> http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c331/esmeraldus/ICFA_1.jpg
>>
>> The words 'cold' 'shower' and 'omigod' spring to mind :)
>
> For goodness' sake, man, get a grip.
>
> It's just a photo of a woman playing squash.

<blink>

Well, so it is.
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294762 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 22:34
Stacie Hanes  
Paul Harman wrote:

> So a word of warning to you teens out there: you might think you
> want a girlfriend with an enormous sounding bra size, but believe
> me you don't. You can't buy her underwear

Men! So buy jewelry!
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294763 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 22:38
Stacie Hanes  
Random C wrote:
> I discovered that in
> *one* shop my hips were an 8, a 12, and too big for a 14. I didn't
> find anything in a 10 which fit, but I'm sure if I'd looked a bit
> more I would have found some.

I have everything from a size 4 to size 10 in my closet, and that's just the
trousers. Granted, the 4 is an anomalous Tommoy Hilfiger pair, and I more
usually wear 8-10, but I have a pair of size 10 Ralph Lauren low-rise
leathers that I currently can't zip, although they fit perfectly last
October.

Anyway, I have a six-size range in my closet that all fit.
Re: [I] Clothes sizes [message #294766 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 23:56
Karl  
In article <ddYzkTBMaBrEFwga [at] caomhin.demon.co.uk>,
Kevin Golding <kevin [at] caomhin.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Largely because men can be just as vain as women - albeit we apparently
> want everything large and manly instead of small and dainty.

> Caomhin,
> who once found something which was only made in L/XL/XXL

Condoms?
Re: [F] Potential London Meets [message #294767 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 22:58
Dom  
Aquarion wrote:
> Karen <Karen [at] lspace.org> wrote:
>
>> Aquarion wrote:
>>
>> >So if we were to say, for example, the Saturday before the Con, at, say,
>> >The Green Man in London, then things might start heading in the right
>> >direction...
>
<snip>
>
> For purely selfish reasons (ie, me not being able to make a Wednesday
> meet in London easily or possibly at all) I'd have to say I prefer the
> Weekend idea, but whatever the consensus is could happen.

Weekends are slightly better for me, but weekdays are not a real problem.

It's been a long time since I've been to the Green Man, perhaps it is
time to test the water again.

--
Dom
afpSlave to CCA
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294770 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 23:04
Graycat  
On 05 Jul 2006 19:44:25 GMT, mcv <mcvmcv [at] xs4all.nl> jotted
down:

>Graycat <rosen.elin [at] gmail.com> wrote:

>> Er...as far as I'm aware most men's clothing comes in sizes
>> too. Usually S/M/L, but also numbered.
>
>I prefer my trousers with seperate sizes for waist and length.
>And I think they're in inches.

Women's jeans come in those sizes too.

--
Elin
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
The Oswalds DW casting award - Vote Now!
http://www.student.lu.se/~his02ero/Oswald/index.html
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294772 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 23:09
Graycat  
On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 20:38:22 GMT, "Anastasia"
<house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> jotted down:

>Random C wrote:
>> I discovered that in
>> *one* shop my hips were an 8, a 12, and too big for a 14. I didn't
>> find anything in a 10 which fit, but I'm sure if I'd looked a bit
>> more I would have found some.
>
>I have everything from a size 4 to size 10 in my closet, and that's just the
>trousers. Granted, the 4 is an anomalous Tommoy Hilfiger pair, and I more
>usually wear 8-10, but I have a pair of size 10 Ralph Lauren low-rise
>leathers that I currently can't zip, although they fit perfectly last
>October.
>
>Anyway, I have a six-size range in my closet that all fit.
>

Funny, I don't have any experience like that. I vary between
38 and 40 usually (bottoms) or 36 and 38 (tops). So yeah,
there is a bit of a variety, but often that has to do with
the shape of the item - a wide skirt I can wear smaller as
that will fit my wais and flare over the hips, for example.

--
Elin
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Re: [I] -I- Maternity clothes (was: Bra measurement and fitting) [message #294776 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 23:13
Orjan Westin  
Ailbhe wrote:
>
> Motorcycling is no more dangerous for a pregnant woman than for an
> unpregnant one. It's like cycling or driving or being a pedestrian in
> that regard. The risks it poses to the woman and the fetus are pretty
> much the same, except that the fetus has a sort of built-in safety
> system in case of mild accidents.

For most women, this is true. Some are, however, explicitly forbidden
from any activity that might cause sudden movements, like riding a bus
or train. Being pregnant while having a too short cervix means a huge
risk of miscarriage.

> A.
> who recently found a pair of maternity trousers with *pockets*,

In my SO's last pregnancy, she wore her work-issued dungarees, and just
left the side buttons unbottoned and extended the straps a bit. Plenty
of pockets on those.

> and who is often told she can't possibly cycle.

By someone who has seen her try?

Orjan
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Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294777 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 23:15
Stacie Hanes  
Lister wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 20:43:45 GMT, "Anastasia"
> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>> (Not sure if he should stay well away or wander down)
>>
>> I get that a lot. ;-)
>>
>
>
> Just out of interest, did you cut your hair before that pic? (IIRC
> you once had a pic with id long)

It's not been long for several years now. It's been about thus for at least
2 years. The A-Files has a pic of me with long hair, in my natural color,
but it's over 10 years old.
Re: [I] Clothes sizes [message #294778 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 23:17
Stacie Hanes  
Karl wrote:
> In article <ddYzkTBMaBrEFwga [at] caomhin.demon.co.uk>,
> Kevin Golding <kevin [at] caomhin.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Largely because men can be just as vain as women - albeit we
>> apparently want everything large and manly instead of small and
>> dainty.
>
>> Caomhin,
>> who once found something which was only made in L/XL/XXL
>
> Condoms?

Ha. I shopped for/with my former husband, and I haven't seen a size "S"
shirt in *years*.
Re: [I] Potential London Meets [message #294780 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 23:24
Stacie Hanes  
Lister wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 22:41:01 GMT, "Anastasia"
> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Aquarion wrote:
>>
>> <staciemeet>
>>
>>> So if we were to say, for example, the Saturday before the Con,
>>> at, say, The Green Man in London, then things might start heading
>>> in the right direction...
>>
>> Ohhhhh, so THAT is how it happens.
>>
>
>
> I'm not very good at this organisation business, but if you were to
> get up to Edinburgh or thereabouts after the con I could try and set
> something up.

I've been warned off Scotland as too ambitious for this trip\\\\\\\\7u6\8
`ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ1 1Avbg.ASPOL

<new kitten on keyboad, small black tomcat named Mal for the captain on
Firefly>

Anyway, Scotland will have to wait, but I'll be back.
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294782 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 23:26
FiX01  
On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 20:34:19 GMT, "Anastasia"
<house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

>Paul Harman wrote:
>
>> So a word of warning to you teens out there: you might think you
>> want a girlfriend with an enormous sounding bra size, but believe
>> me you don't. You can't buy her underwear

>Men! So buy jewelry!

As a replacement? That must *hurt*!

FiX
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294783 ] Mi, 05 Juli 2006 23:35
Stacie Hanes  
FiX wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 20:34:19 GMT, "Anastasia"
> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Paul Harman wrote:
>>
>>> So a word of warning to you teens out there: you might think you
>>> want a girlfriend with an enormous sounding bra size, but believe
>>> me you don't. You can't buy her underwear
>
>> Men! So buy jewelry!
>
> As a replacement? That must *hurt*!

Only at first.
Re: [I] Clothes sizes [message #294803 ] Do, 06 Juli 2006 00:42
Hendrik Schober  
Anastasia <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> Karl wrote:
> > In article <ddYzkTBMaBrEFwga [at] caomhin.demon.co.uk>,
> > Kevin Golding <kevin [at] caomhin.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Largely because men can be just as vain as women - albeit we
> > > apparently want everything large and manly instead of small and
> > > dainty.
> >
> > > Caomhin,
> > > who once found something which was only made in L/XL/XXL
> >
> > Condoms?
>
> Ha. I shopped for/with my former husband, and I haven't seen a size "S"
> shirt in *years*.

Ah, but you're living in Merkia.

Schobi
(still impressed by "Supersize me")

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Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294809 ] Do, 06 Juli 2006 01:44
nomail  
> My sister often complains about the same problem. She's a pretty
> normal or even athletic shape in most areas, but finding trousers
> that fit her hips is really hard.
>
> But to her dismay, she recently discovered a whole new class of
> nonexistent clothing: maternity motor leathers.

Well, how entrepeneurial is she...?
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294810 ] Do, 06 Juli 2006 01:44
nomail  
mcv <mcvmcv [at] xs4all.nl> wrote:

> Maybe clothing designers should get some anatomy lessons or something.

Problem is, there are many different styles and shades of anatomy. They
just aim for middling and hope for the best, assuming
at-the-ends-of-the-spectrum people will hit real tailor shops.
Re: [I] -I- Bra measurement and fitting [message #294811 ] Do, 06 Juli 2006 01:44
nomail  
Anastasia <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

> > So a word of warning to you teens out there: you might think you
> > want a girlfriend with an enormous sounding bra size, but believe
> > me you don't. You can't buy her underwear
>
> Men! So buy jewelry!

Yeah, well, nipple clips can only be worn to a limited number of places,
y'know?
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