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Fantasy » alt.fan.pratchett » semi- (R) Introduction and general rant.
Re: [M] Wouldn't it be keen if afp censored itself just in case a kid saw us? [message #275941 ] Do, 01 Juni 2006 23:23
jester  
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 22:10:55 +0100, A Willis
<newsgroupname [at] asphalt.demon.co.uk> wrote:
<trim>
>Laughing your way into bed is good, pointing and laughing once there is
>less so.

It depends what you're pointing at laughing at, whether or not all parties
involved are laughing.

--
Andy Brown
C, n.: A programming language that is sort of like Pascal except more
like assembly except that it isn't very much like either one, or
anything else. It is either the best language available to the art
today, or it isn't. -- Ray Simard
Re: [I] semi- (R) Introduction and general rant. [message #275942 ] Do, 01 Juni 2006 23:25
Arthur Hagen  
Anastasia <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> "It's hard NOT to write satire."
>
> points for being able to ID the source

I refuse, because asking juveniles for ID would be appeasing the moral
right...

Regards,
--
*Art
Re: [I] Afp content [message #275943 ] Do, 01 Juni 2006 23:36
Stacie Hanes  
Lister wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:31:25 GMT, "Anastasia"
> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> geminii [at] tpg.com.au wrote:
>>> On 31 May 2006 13:24:46 -0700, "CCA" <sphira9343 [at] aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It means you've been turning into Stacie at night, like Jekyll
>>>> and Hyde ;-) Or possibly the other way around...
>>>
>>> OK, I didn't need the phrase "were-Stacie" stumbling around in my
>>> head and tripping over the furniture.
>>
>> I find that intriguing and slightly boggling. Gods know I've
>> bitten enough people.
>
>
> Do you find they taste like chicken?

I've never bitten live chickens, or cooked people, so no.

--
Anastasia, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students, AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example, you'll
just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
Re: [F] Reincarnation of the afp-junior list? [message #275947 ] Do, 01 Juni 2006 23:44
Lister  
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 17:39:09 +0100, Karen <Karen [at] lspace.org> wrote:

>In article <rr3u72djjb6qh7embj78n6kk6i0jc4emcv [at] 4ax.com>, Lister
><fache [at] SPAMclara.net> writes
>>On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:18:43 +0100, Karen <Karen [at] lspace.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Although if I were starting from scratch now, I'd be tempted to consider
>>>a moderated web forum format as an option simply because that is a more
>>>familiar format to most kids now. (yes I know, burn the heretic!)
>>
>>
>>
>>Can I be the first one to object? I've always hated moderation and
>>don't wish to subject anyone to it. Mind you, I'm happy to go along
>>with anything.
>
>
>Did you actually read the subject line?



Er, yes, and?
Re: [M] Wouldn't it be keen if afp censored itself just in case a kid saw us? [message #275948 ] Do, 01 Juni 2006 23:41
Steve Rogers  
"The Stainless Steel Cat" <steelcat [at] atuin.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:C0A4F67096687C76B [at] 192.168.0.2...
> In article <8BFfg.760$jB5.449 [at] newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> "Anastasia" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>> Anastasia said:
>>>
>>>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> that there is a much-expressed desire for a Pratchett fan group
>>>>> which people needn't be embarrassed to read while their family are
>>>>> in the room.
>>>>
>>>> What size font are you reading in?
>>>
>>> 12-point courier. Large enough for me to read, and therefore
>>> certainly large enough for younger eyes to read.
>>>
>>>> Or do they just read over your shoulder?
>>>
>>> They don't need to. It's a big monitor, and it faces the room.
>>
>>How close are they? And how long do they glance? Seriously, I do not
>>get
>>this problem.
>
> And shouldn't they be taught that it's extremely rude to read someone
> else's correspondence or reading matter, whether that's on a computer
> screen, newspaper, book or letter?
>

Seconded, my 2 eldest have learnt that when Daddy is typing and hasn't
asked them to join him then don't come over and read what he's writing
(they're just getting proficient enough in the reading now to understand
some of what I write). Books are another matter as I'm happy to read to
them and nothing I read would I not let them read, in some instances
they don't understand the jokes in others the language and concepts are
way over their heads and they soon get bored, for example I've just
finished reading them the last Harry Potter and each got out of it what
they understood, for the youngest it was the "silly voices" I used for
each character, for the middle one the thrill and adventure aspect and
the eldest all but the more advanced topics and concepts. I will say I
don't encourage the reading over the shoulder mind, they sit beside me,
lay on their beds or sit on my lap and follow the words. Letters are a
distinctly private thing that is okay to read if given permission and
only those bits that I pick out - they won't even read the message on a
postcard that isn't addressed to them (yet) and as for newspapers that's
not a problem as I don't get them :-)

Steve
Re: [I] semi- (R) Introduction and general rant. [message #275950 ] Do, 01 Juni 2006 23:29
Hendrik Schober  
Richard Heathfield <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Peter Ellis said:
> > On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> > > Peter Ellis said:
> > >
> > > > He's telling the naughty kids not to talk about [...]
> > >
> > > No, I'm not *telling* anyone to do *anything*. Sheesh, can't you READ?
> >
> > OK, you're *asking* the naughty kids not to talk about naughty things,
> > because grown-ups never flirt, or talk about sex.
>
> As long as you would rather mock than understand, there is no point in this
> dialogue.

As long as you only go nudge-nudge-wink-wink without
actually saying what you mean, there's no point.

> > It's still just as stupid. "Why can't we all only talk about the things I
> > deem worthy of being talked about" is not an attitude that works on any
> > unmoderated group.
> >
> > I don't want my kids exposed to prudery.
>
> You shouldn't have any trouble protecting them from that.

He'd have to make sure they killfile you.

> But to dismiss my
> arguments as "prudery" is naive.

He's not dismissed them, but classified. And rightly so,
IMO.

> > Please do not discuss the fact
> > that you feel we should not discuss particular subjects on afp.
>
> Nice try at irony, but I haven't expressed any such feeling or desire. Or,
> to put it another way: Sheesh, can't you READ?

Looking at how everybody is raised by this, you should
probably rather ask whether you can /write/.

Schobi

--
SpamTrap [at] gmx.de is never read
I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org

"The sarcasm is mightier than the sword."
Eric Jarvis
Re: [I] semi- (R) Introduction and general rant. [message #275951 ] Do, 01 Juni 2006 23:25
Hendrik Schober  
Richard Heathfield <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Philippa Cowderoy said:
>
> > On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, Karen wrote:
> >
> > > I've just read this thread from the top again and it is entirely possible
> > > I'm missing posts but I can't see anywhere that Richard has actually
> > > proposed censoring or moderating the newsgroup or asking people not to
> > > post on sexual topics. I've seen lots of people assume that this is what
> > > he means but I can't find him actually saying it anywhere.
> >
> > There is, however, an amount of him being rather nasty
>
> No, that's not nasty. That's pretty mild, compared to some of the stuff
> posted in this newsgroup. [...]

You might find that you there's not many people here
sharing your opinion on that.

> Now try addressing Karen's substantive points instead of shifting the
> ground.

Shifting the ground? Now, who was accused of that a
lot recently...

> (Thank you, Karen. It's good to know that /some/ Terry Pratchett fans can
> read.)

Ouch.
(Whenever logic fails, resort to name-calling?)

Schobi

--
SpamTrap [at] gmx.de is never read
I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org

"The sarcasm is mightier than the sword."
Eric Jarvis
Re: [M] Wouldn't it be keen if afp censored itself just in case a kid saw us? [message #275952 ] Do, 01 Juni 2006 23:41
Hendrik Schober  
Graycat <graycat.meow [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
> I also think that sex a natural and healthy part of adult
> life, and as such something that shouldn't be hidden away.
> Open dialogue with children is, imo, the best way to ensure
> they don't get any funny ideas. [...]
>
> Violence, I find a lot more harmful than sex. Can we ban
> people from suggesting blasting burglars to bits? Or burning
> heretics? Or this incessant talk about swords?

<applauds>

> [...]

Schobi

--
SpamTrap [at] gmx.de is never read
I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org

"The sarcasm is mightier than the sword."
Eric Jarvis
Re: [M] Wouldn't it be keen if afp censored itself just in case a kid saw us? [message #275953 ] Do, 01 Juni 2006 23:45
Hendrik Schober  
Eric Jarvis <usenet [at] ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote:
> [...] Being embarrassed about inviting your mother to a place is not
> solely about your mother, it is at least as much about what you are
> prepared to show your mother about yourself.

Very well said.

> To a large extent the same applies to much that people wish to protect
> children from seeing. At least some of it is down to preferring to avoid
> having to explain some things the children won't have encountered before
> rather than to avoid them being harmed directly.
>
> I'm not saying that's wrong in any way. It's quite reasonable. However it
> helps to be clearly aware of precisely what the issues are.

I'd go even further and say it's wrong in many cases.
My daughter (9) a while ago asked me why there's always
naked women to be seen and rarely ever naked men (in
advertizing, on magazine covers etc.). My mother, who
was with us, seemed terrified at the question. I just
explained the issue in a way that a 9 year old could
understand and she was satisfied.
When my kids stumble over BDSM, they will hopefully
also come to their parents and ask what that is.

I am much more concerned about my kids being exposed
to violence than to any variation of sex.

Schobi

--
SpamTrap [at] gmx.de is never read
I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org

"The sarcasm is mightier than the sword."
Eric Jarvis
Re: [F] Reincarnation of the afp-junior list? [message #275954 ] Do, 01 Juni 2006 23:46
Lister  
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 18:55:53 +0100, "Steve Rogers"
<steve [at] soapietrekkers.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>
>"Lister" <fache [at] SPAMclara.net> wrote in message
>news:rr3u72djjb6qh7embj78n6kk6i0jc4emcv [at] 4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:18:43 +0100, Karen <Karen [at] lspace.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Although if I were starting from scratch now, I'd be tempted to
>>>consider
>>>a moderated web forum format as an option simply because that is a
>>>more
>>>familiar format to most kids now. (yes I know, burn the heretic!)
>>
>>
>>
>> Can I be the first one to object? I've always hated moderation and
>> don't wish to subject anyone to it. Mind you, I'm happy to go along
>> with anything.
>
>For a kids only forum you need a moderator for sure though considering
>how things can degenerate and to protect the kids from those that would
>abuse it.
>
>Steve
>


Hmm, I'm kind of against kids being moderated.
Re: [I] semi- (R) Introduction and general rant. [message #275955 ] Do, 01 Juni 2006 23:44
Arthur Hagen  
Richard Heathfield <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> And to save you further trouble, you can say what you like about my
> snapping at Arthur Hagen; I am past caring. Everyone here says how
> amazing it is that I manage to keep my temper so well when conducting
> a discussion with the entire group single-handed. Well, you can stop
> being amazed, as far as Mr Hagen is concerned. His constantly
> uncomprehending stupidity would be fair enough in isolation; his
> sarcasm would also be fair enough in isolation; but the combination
> is most infuriating.

R.H. is *soo* cute when he's angry, don't you think?

--
*Art
Re: [I] semi- (R) Introduction and general rant. [message #275956 ] Do, 01 Juni 2006 23:48
Torak  
Richard Heathfield wrote:
> peachy ashie passion said:
>
>
>> Richard, a thought.
>>
>> If you reach the point where NOBODY seems able to grasp your points,
>>it's time to consider whether the fault might be with the transmission,
>>rather than every single one of the receivers.
>
>
> I'll bear that in mind. For now, though, it seems that, at the very least,
> Karen, Eric Jarvis, Torak, and Orjan Westin can understand what I'm saying,
> so I don't see why anyone else shouldn't be able to, if they want to.

I think a lot of us understand your basic point, and that, if you have
the time and effort to put into it, it may be worth trying to start a
Kiddie AFP. But I think trying to turn AFP into a kid-friendly (I won't
say "family-friendly", because I think that, with appropriate
supervision, it already is) group is pretty much a lost cause. It never
has been, and I don't think it would still be AFP if it was.
Re: [M] Wouldn't it be keen if afp censored itself just in case akid saw us? [message #275957 ] Do, 01 Juni 2006 23:38
esmi  
on 01/06/2006 19:59 Gid Holyoake said the following:

> If you can define the gutter it might help some of those of us who are
> trying to get that high..

> Gid (I used to dream of living in a gutter)

Gutter? Gutter! Some of us would have given our right arm to have
dreamed of a gutter. We had to go to bed *every* night and dream of the
Seven Pits of Hell.

esmi
Re: [F] Reincarnation of the afp-junior list? [message #275958 ] Do, 01 Juni 2006 23:22
esmi  
on 01/06/2006 16:18 Karen said the following:
<snip>

> Although if I were starting from scratch now, I'd be tempted to consider
> a moderated web forum format as an option simply because that is a more
> familiar format to most kids now. (yes I know, burn the heretic!)

I'd agree with the web forum idea - although I hate them myself.
However, past experience with 2 teenage males suggests that email is
considered as some form of punishment. Show them a web forum and you
can't shut the little b^Hdarlings up.

Son No.2 (aged 14) has to be almost forced to email anyone but has run
his own web forum for the past year or so and is an active participant
in a few others.

esmi
Re: [I] semi- (R) Introduction and general rant. [message #275959 ] Do, 01 Juni 2006 23:49
exquisite witch peach  
Karen wrote:

> In article <azHfg.14839$U_2.11424 [at] trnddc05>, peachy ashie passion
> <exquisitepeach [at] hotmail.com> writes
>
>> Karen wrote:
>>
>>> In article <Pine.WNT.4.61.0606011938290.1072 [at] SLINKY>, Philippa
>>> Cowderoy <flippa [at] flippac.org> writes
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Philippa Cowderoy said:
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>
>
> [..]
>
>>>> *I CAN'T TELL IF YOU'RE TRYING TO DISCUSS WHETHER I SHOULD HAVE TO HIDE
>>>> WHO I AM ON THIS NEWSGROUP, AND YOU ARE STEADFASTLY REFUSING TO HELP
>>>> ANSWER THAT QUESTION*.
>>>
>>> I can tell you what I think the point is or how I read the posts
>>> and that is nothing to do with censoring topics or individuals and
>>> more to do with all of us whatever we are giving a bit of general
>>> thought as to what we are posting and how interesting it is to the
>>> rest of the group.
>>> Granted if that is what Richard means its a fairly cack handed way
>>> of explaining it but that is how I understand his words.
>>
>>
>>
>> I applaud your efforts to be sympathetic to Richard.
>
>
> What efforts would they be then? I'm trying to understand what exactly
> is being said rather than assuming I know someone's mind better than
> they do. Try reading the other posts and further down this one, I think
> Richard could be a lot clearer and I've said as much.
>

I read all of the posts before making any.

But it seems to me that trying to understand someone's point so hard
that you ignore their actual words is an effort.


>
>> I can't find one single interpretation of that which would involve
>> needing to use the words:
>>
>> "I'm talking about culture change, so that people are free to discuss
>> Pratchettesque matters without being drenched by neighbours constantly
>> hurling themselves into the gutter. And you may be right about afp not
>> being the place for that; perhaps there are insufficiently many people
>> who are capable of holding a conversation without having a security
>> gutter within easy reach."
>
>
> I've seen at least four or five other people including me post today, to
> the effect that the balance and tone is out of kilter and that the
> endless nudge nudge innuendo threads are at least as tedious as the
> vampire threads on religion when they reach the levels they have done
> recently. None of us have been bollocked for it in fact there has been
> quite a lot of agreement that its been excessive lately. You might not
> like the way Richard phrases it, it certainly isn't going to score any
> points on the 'make friends and influence people' and frankly isn't the
> way to go about persuading people IMHO but it does *not* say 'I want to
> censor/moderate/ban topics on this newsgroup' and to suggest otherwise
> is putting words into his mouth in precisely the way people object to it
> the other way around.

The man just told the bulk of us we are in the gutter and use it as a
security blanket. Incapable of holding a conversation without the
security gutter? !?


>
> We all come to this group for recreation, a bit of gutter now and again
> is harmless enough but we do *share* the spaces and when one person's
> enjoyable gutter or another person's hot button topic takes over the
> whole damned watering hole then we *all* lose out.


And that's a fine point.

I don't see where you can show it being the point Richard was making,
at least, not until you reframed it as the point he SHOULD be making.

IMO, it isn't at all the point he wanted to be making, and he's
backing down from the one he'd wanted to make in the beginning.
Re: [I] semi- (R) Introduction and general rant. [message #275960 ] Do, 01 Juni 2006 23:51
Brenda  
Hendrik Schober said:

> Richard Heathfield <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> (Thank you, Karen. It's good to know that /some/ Terry Pratchett fans can
>> read.)
>
> Ouch.
> (Whenever logic fails, resort to name-calling?)

What's "name-calling" about it? Read the thread again. See for yourself.
This isn't a failure of logic, but a failure on the part of several afp
people to read what's in front of their noses. They're not reading what I'm
actually writing.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: [I] semi- (R) Introduction and general rant. [message #275961 ] Do, 01 Juni 2006 23:50
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
The time: 01 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: Richard Heathfield <invalid [at] invalid.invalid>

> Daibhid Ceanaideach said:
>
>> The time: 01 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
>> speaker: "Anastasia" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com>
>>
>>> "It's hard NOT to write satire."
>>>
>>> points for being able to ID the source
>>
>> I'm going to guess at either Ian Hislop or, um, Juvenile
>> (I know that's spelt wrong, but I'm not going to Google
>> it, 'cos that'd be cheating).
>
> To save you the trouble, you are probably thinking of
> Juvenal, author of the "Satires".

Thank you, yes.

> And to save you further trouble, you can say what you like
> about my snapping at Arthur Hagen; I am past caring.

I wasn't planning on doing so. I may disagree with you (or I
may not; I've skipped a lot of this thread and I'm not sure
what the context was), but it would be incredibly hypocritical
of me to criticise anyone for losing their rag with Arthur...

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
Suggs against sexism. It's Madness gone
politically correct.
Jon Holmes, The Now Show 26/5/06
Re: [I] Afp content [message #275962 ] Do, 01 Juni 2006 23:40
Thomas Zahr  
naomi posted:

> CCA wrote:
>> Anastasia wrote:
>>> Thomas Zahr wrote:
>>
>>>> OTGH we do seem to be just below the threshold of a new
>>>> "temple" or similar centred around "Stacie-dom" [1] and
>>>> all variations thereof.
>>
>>> Don't think that Stacie hasn't noticed. Stacie can't deny
>>> enjoying the attention, to a point, but Stacie has also
>>> started several serious threads in the past week or so in
>>> an effort to change the subject.
>>
>> I felt the same a few years ago, when the amount of 'CCA'
>> and 'things to do with gold or chocolate' threads had got
>> to the point where I got the impression that some people
>> were starting to resent me being around
>>
>>
>>>> So we have to ask ourselves, ok don't have to, but at
>>>> least could, if we could up the content, and move off
>>>> "stacie-dom", slightly.
>>
>>> Yes, please, just a bit.
>>
>> I'd been wondering if it was sometimes making you feel a
>> mite uncomfortable.
>>
>>>> [2] but in a certain light Stacie seems to have become
>>>> the sex
>>>> dream of choice hereabouts
>>
>>> Honestly, I am *not* sure how that happened. (I gotta
>>> share that I originally typoed "sore" instead of sure.)
>>> [3]
>>
>> I think it's one of those things that just builds up and
>> up, often without very much encouragement from the poster
>> herself (or himself, although I can't remember the same
>> happening to a male poster here.) CCA
>>
>
> Oh,Damn. I just started a chocolate thread. I hadn't read
> this yet sorry.
>

Chocolate threads are semi-R hereabouts. So don't worry.

--
Ciao

Thomas =:-)
<out of sig error>
Re: [I] semi- (R) Introduction and general rant. [message #275966 ] Do, 01 Juni 2006 23:54
Brenda  
Hendrik Schober said:

> Looking at how everybody is raised by this,

No, not everybody. Please try again, but first look up the word "everybody".

> you should probably rather ask whether you can /write/.

I can write. I checked. Twice.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: [I] semi- (R) Introduction and general rant. [message #275967 ] Do, 01 Juni 2006 23:54
Peter Ellis  
Anastasia wrote:
>
> And I had a year-long relationship with peachy.
>
> Was there anyone here who hadn't figured out that we were a couple
> for a long time?

Er, me. Do I get a prize? Or an anti-prize? Then again, I wasn't trying
to figure it out. Your business is your business. Glad you are/were/will
be happy about it, I guess.

Peter
Re: [M] Wouldn't it be keen if afp censored itself just in case a kid saw us? [message #275968 ] Do, 01 Juni 2006 23:55
Peter Ellis  
jester wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 22:10:55 +0100, A Willis
> <newsgroupname [at] asphalt.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> <trim>
>> Laughing your way into bed is good, pointing and laughing once there
>> is less so.
>
> It depends what you're pointing at laughing at, whether or not all
> parties involved are laughing.

It also depends on what you're pointing *with*...

Peter
Re: [I] semi- (R) Introduction and general rant. [message #275969 ] Do, 01 Juni 2006 23:57
Torak  
Richard Heathfield wrote:
> Arthur Hagen said:
>
>
>>If you don't think that what you said in parentheses there was nasty
>
>
> Don't even /think/ about lecturing me on nasty, Mr Hagen.

Ah, but he's raised nastiness to an Art.
Re: [I] semi- (R) Introduction and general rant. [message #275970 ] Do, 01 Juni 2006 23:59
Torak  
Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
> The time: 01 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
> speaker: "Anastasia" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com>
>
>
>
>>"It's hard NOT to write satire."
>>
>>
>>points for being able to ID the source
>
>
> I'm going to guess at either Ian Hislop or, um, Juvenile (I
> know that's spelt wrong, but I'm not going to Google it, 'cos
> that'd be cheating).

You mean Juvenal?

(And I didn't Google it either, which is mildly worrying and probably
means I shouldn't spend so much time reading "How To Insult, Abuse And
Insinuate In Classical Latin"...)
Re: [I]Introduction and general rant. [message #275971 ] Do, 01 Juni 2006 23:59
Torak  
The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:
> "Arthur Hagen" <art [at] broomstick.com> wrote:
>>Karen <Karen [at] lspace.org> wrote:
>>
>>>Probably says a lot about the recent threads that my pun defenders had
>>>switched off but that has to be the most appalling pun I've seen here
>>>in months.
>>>
>>>There is a fine box you know!
>>
>>Tsk. Can't say "fine box", you know -- people could see an Innuendo!
>
> Not without an innuendoscope.

In whose end?
Re: [I] Wouldn't it be keen if afp censored itself just in case a kid saw us? [message #275973 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 00:02
Diane L  
CCA wrote:
> Eric Jarvis wrote:
>
>> Why on earth would I be embarrassed to invite my mother to afp?
>> Apart from the small details that she hasn't read any of the books
>> yet and doesn't own a computer.
>
> I often tell my Mum things from afp. In fact, she often asks how
> everyone is when I switch it off :-)

Aww, that's nice. Tell your Mum I said "Hello".

My Mum's convinced that Usenet/the Internet (which the same thing
in her view) is the sole preserve of sex fiends, axe murderers and
low-lifes in general. She was terrified when I went to my first meet,
I had to ring her afterwards to tell her I was OK. Even though she's
met some of the friends I've made through afp and liked them, she
still thinks everyone on t'Internet must be a weirdo (including me,
I suppose).

Diane L.
Re: [I] semi- (R) Introduction and general rant. [message #275974 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 00:03
Brenda  
peachy ashie passion said:

> But it seems to me that trying to understand someone's point so hard
> that you ignore their actual words is an effort.

No, she's reading the actual words. That's kind of the point.

> The man just told the bulk of us we are in the gutter

No, I didn't say any such thing. Please read what I wrote, not what you
think I wrote.

> I don't see where you can show it being the point Richard was making,
> at least, not until you reframed it as the point he SHOULD be making.

I suggest you take a closer look at my reply to Eric Jarvis, early in the
thread. This demonstrates that I was fully in agreement with /his/
suggestion; he had expressed admirably what I had been struggling to
encapsulate myself.

> IMO, it isn't at all the point he wanted to be making, and he's
> backing down from the one he'd wanted to make in the beginning.

Well, YO about what I was thinking is wrong.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: [I] Afp content [message #275975 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 00:03
Torak  
Anastasia wrote:
> Arthur Hagen wrote:
>>Anastasia <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>Well, in point of fact, Peachy is the only person here who has met
>>>me in person..
>>
>>How do you know?
>
> Well, damn. You have a point.

Well, you'd recognise Rocky.
Re: [I] semi- (R) Introduction and general rant. [message #275977 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 00:01
Steve Rogers  
"Richard Heathfield" <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:5dmdncKCkqmduOLZRVnyuQ [at] bt.com...
> Anastasia said:
>
>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>> Anastasia said:
>>>
>>>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>>> Arthur Hagen said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 1: If you disagree that children are at a different level, fine.
>>>>>> You'll hear no argument from me against that, as I think that
>>>>>> children shouldn't be sheltered.
>>>>>> But why then don't you want childrens subjected to what's here?
>>>>>
>>>>> I wouldn't want a dog subjected to some of the stuff that's posted
>>>>> here.
>>>>
>>>> I'm asking you directly: are you talking about me?
>>>
>>> How can I be? You've never been posted here. Therefore, the answer
>>> is self-evidently "no". There is an important distinction between
>>> subscribers and articles. I think it was Torak who made that
>>> distinction very clear earlier today. Or possibly Orjan.
>>
>> I believe that to be an evasion.
>
> It wasn't.
>
>> I also believe you know what I meant.
>
> I believe you probably were trying to find out whether I wanted you to
> stop
> posting to the group (but it isn't what you actually asked).
>
> And I don't want to stop /anyone/ posting to the group. In fact, I
> would go
> further - I don't want to stop anyone from /reading/ the group either.
> But
> some of the stuff being posted here does precisely that. The way the
> group
> is now, it is hardly surprising that it's being blocked by parental
> control
> software, as reported recently by someone else on another thread.
>

The thing is the report was that a school's system blocked the group as
do a lot of school systems - generally (being very general too) this is
all the alt groups - parental control software won't block for the
content per se but will filter out those words and phrases that are used
that are in it's lexicon and so lose a few posts which would make little
difference overall. I probably have one of the most sensitive setups
for blocking the so-called adult orientated content on the net (and
still a hell of a lot is accessible if you know how to get around the
blocks and filtering processes) and I am hard pushed to filter out posts
to a group without blocking all the alt groups at that level, if I block
actual content it is at the newsreader point not on the incoming feed so
to say that Parental Control Software is blocking the group because of
some of the content would be erroneous in my opinion.

Steve
Re: [I] semi- (R) Introduction and general rant. [message #275978 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 00:05
Torak  
Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
> The time: 01 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
> speaker: "Anastasia" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com>
>
>
>
>>And I had a year-long relationship with peachy.
>>
>>Was there anyone here who hadn't figured out that we were a
>>couple for a long time? We broke up last August, but we're
>>still friends.
>
>
> Well, I didn't have a clue, but I think my lack of awareness,
> both in general and in such matters in particular, has been
> well documented on the group 8-/...

YAMAICM£25.[1]


[1] - That's been underused lately, so there's been inflation in the
rollover.
Re: [M] Wouldn't it be keen if afp censored itself just in case akid saw us? [message #275980 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 00:06
Torak  
Steve Rogers wrote:
> "Torak" <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>Gid Holyoake wrote:
>>>In article <Pine.WNT.4.61.0606011927560.1072 [at] SLINKY>, Philippa
>>>Cowderoy Snippetry..
>>>
>>>>If you do have an idea, please elaborate - and preferably without
>>>>resorting to an undefined 'gutter' or similar concept.
>>>
>>>If you can define the gutter it might help some of those of us who
>>>are trying to get that high..
>>>
>>>Gid (I used to dream of living in a gutter)
>>
>>Luxury.
>
> Luxury, you say luxury, why when I were a lad we used to think luxury
> was living in a cold tea bag with nowt but a tea leaf to cover us heads

That petty cash jar must be overflowing by now.
Re: [I] semi- (R) Introduction and general rant. [message #275983 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 00:08
Matthew Seaman  
"Anastasia" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> writes:

> Philippa Cowderoy wrote:
>
> > I'm not in favour of the Cult of Stacie either, and that's speaking
> > as someone who's really looking forward to having her visit for a
> > day or two after the con.
>
> *STACIE* isn't even in favor of the Cult of Stacie. In fatc, I named it that
> in an MSN discussion with Phillipa.

Is that anything like the Cult of Kali[1], only with fewer Thugs and
more Gags?

Cheers,

Matthew


[1] Notice that Kali has -- count them -- eight limbs, and is
therefore intrinsically evil. And probably hiding in your shower.

--
Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard
Flat 3
PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate
Kent, CT11 9PW
Re: [I] semi- (R) Introduction and general rant. [message #275984 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 00:10
Gid Holyoake  
In article <6lIfg.7785$921.5637 [at] newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Anastasia generously decided to share with us..

> Peter Ellis wrote:
>
> > third is a request for the group to get out of the gutter - but
> > with a refusal to define the gutter, how to get into or out of the
> > gutter
>
> EXACTLY. Where's the gutter. I want latitude, longitude, depth, and a water
> sample.

I can give you a sample, but I don't think it's water to be honest.. it
might have been water at some point though..

Gid
Re: [I] Wouldn't it be keen if afp censored itself just in case a kid saw us? [message #275985 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 00:12
Diane L  
Richard Heathfield wrote:
> CCA said:
>
>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>
>>> (Thanks for responding intelligently, Philippa. It makes a
>>> pleasant change. And anyone who is offended by that, deserves to
>>> be.)
>>
>> You know, Richard, for an otherwise likeable guy, you certainly come
>> across as a headmaster talking to naughty children sometimes.
>
> What's up? You don't like headmasters?

Most people who are no longer children dislike being treated or
adressed as children.

Diane L.
Re: semi- (R) Introduction and general rant. [message #275987 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 00:01
Thomas Zahr  
treesy posted:

....

> As an update, my situation has been resolved. While they
> blocked afp on groups.google.com, they failed to block it
> on groups.google.fr so I'm in the clear.

Http Tunnel is your friend, if you are allowed to install
anything on the machine. But it should run off an usb stick.

--
Ciao

Thomas =:-)
<Mine Horn Is Exalted In Om>
Re: [I] semi- (R) Introduction and general rant. [message #275989 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 00:14
Hendrik Schober  
Richard Heathfield <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Hendrik Schober said:
>
> > Richard Heathfield <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > (Thank you, Karen. It's good to know that /some/ Terry Pratchett fans can
> > > read.)
> >
> > Ouch.
> > (Whenever logic fails, resort to name-calling?)
>
> What's "name-calling" about it? [...]

Now you even resort to word games! :)

> This isn't a failure of logic, but a failure on the part of several afp
> people to read what's in front of their noses. They're not reading what I'm
> actually writing.

Right. Al(most al)l of us. Our fault. Bad us.

Schobi

--
SpamTrap [at] gmx.de is never read
I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org

"The sarcasm is mightier than the sword."
Eric Jarvis
Re: [I] semi- (R) Introduction and general rant. [message #275990 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 00:16
Hendrik Schober  
Richard Heathfield <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Hendrik Schober said:
>
> > Looking at how everybody is raised by this,
>
> No, not everybody. Please try again, but first look up the word "everybody".

Now, this posting it's being literally again, isn't it?

> > you should probably rather ask whether you can /write/.
>
> I can write. I checked. Twice.

I am sure all of us were checked whether we can read.
Several times.

Schobi

--
SpamTrap [at] gmx.de is never read
I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org

"The sarcasm is mightier than the sword."
Eric Jarvis
Re: [M] Wouldn't it be keen if afp censored itself just in case a kid saw us? [message #275991 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 00:24
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
The time: 01 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com>

> Steve Rogers wrote:
>> "Torak" <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>Gid Holyoake wrote:
>>>>In article <Pine.WNT.4.61.0606011927560.1072 [at] SLINKY>,
>>>>Philippa Cowderoy Snippetry..
>>>>
>>>>>If you do have an idea, please elaborate - and
>>>>>preferably without resorting to an undefined 'gutter' or
>>>>>similar concept.
>>>>
>>>>If you can define the gutter it might help some of those
>>>>of us who are trying to get that high..
>>>>
>>>>Gid (I used to dream of living in a gutter)
>>>
>>>Luxury.
>>
>> Luxury, you say luxury, why when I were a lad we used to
>> think luxury was living in a cold tea bag with nowt but a
>> tea leaf to cover us heads
>
> That petty cash jar must be overflowing by now.

Petty cash jar? When I were a lad, if you quoted Python on the
group you were 'unted down with cats, marked for life wi' a
"P", and 'ad to give *all* yer money to the Cabal[1]. 'And if
you didn't' *'ave* any money (which no-one did when I were a
lad) they fed you to the aligator.

[1]There Weren't No Cabal. But we 'ad to give them the money
*anyway*. Kids today, only 'avin' to give money to
organisations that exist, they don't know they're born...


--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
Suggs against sexism. It's Madness gone
politically correct.
Jon Holmes, The Now Show 26/5/06
Re: [I] Wouldn't it be keen if afp censored itself just in case a kid saw us? [message #275992 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 00:28
sphira9343  
Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:

> When I were a lad, if you quoted Python on the
> group you were 'unted down with cats

Person "Look, there's the fugitive, over there!"
Cat "Can't you see I'm busy washing my paw?"
CCA
Re: [I] Wouldn't it be keen if afp censored itself just in case a kid saw us? [message #275993 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 00:28
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
The time: 01 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: "Diane L" <dianenews [at] lindquist.plus.com>

> CCA wrote:
>> Eric Jarvis wrote:
>>
>>> Why on earth would I be embarrassed to invite my mother
>>> to afp? Apart from the small details that she hasn't read
>>> any of the books yet and doesn't own a computer.
>>
>> I often tell my Mum things from afp. In fact, she often
>> asks how everyone is when I switch it off :-)
>
> Aww, that's nice. Tell your Mum I said "Hello".
>
> My Mum's convinced that Usenet/the Internet (which the same
> thing in her view) is the sole preserve of sex fiends, axe
> murderers and low-lifes in general. She was terrified when
> I went to my first meet, I had to ring her afterwards to
> tell her I was OK. Even though she's met some of the
> friends I've made through afp and liked them, she still
> thinks everyone on t'Internet must be a weirdo (including
> me, I suppose).

My mum doesn't believe that the Internet is the sole preserve
of low-lifes. She *does* however believe that everyone on afp
is a weirdo. (This *definitely* includes me...)


--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
Suggs against sexism. It's Madness gone
politically correct.
Jon Holmes, The Now Show 26/5/06
Re: [I] Wouldn't it be keen if afp censored itself just in case a kid saw us? [message #275994 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 00:33
Brenda  
Diane L said:

> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> CCA said:
>>
>>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>
>>>> (Thanks for responding intelligently, Philippa. It makes a
>>>> pleasant change. And anyone who is offended by that, deserves to
>>>> be.)
>>>
>>> You know, Richard, for an otherwise likeable guy, you certainly come
>>> across as a headmaster talking to naughty children sometimes.
>>
>> What's up? You don't like headmasters?
>
> Most people who are no longer children dislike being treated or
> adressed as children.

I have an excellent comeback to that reply, but I am not fool enough to post
it.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
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