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Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190047 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 06:24
Invid Fan  
In article <vj1sf.9727$9e.8782 [at] tornado.texas.rr.com>, EricT
<ericT2 [at] somewhere.com> wrote:

> "Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote in message
> news:43aec65e$0$11073$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl...
> >
> > I think Doctor Who is also something that will live on.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Wouter Valentijn
>
> Nothing like looking at Nicola Bryant's hooters when you are a teenager.
>
> http://members.fortunecity.com/noops212/nocola_bryant0062.jp g
>
> http://members.fortunecity.com/noops212/nocola_bryant0092.jp g
>
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>
Too bad she was a horrible actress, doing a bad fake American accent.
The character Peri was a little better in her second season, but not by
much.

As for looks, give me Leela or Ace :)

--
Chris Mack "Refugee, total shit. That's how I've always seen us.
'Invid Fan' Not a help, you'll admit, to agreement between us."
-'Deal/No Deal', CHESS
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190048 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 08:03
The Merry Piper  
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 20:57:45 -0700, ANIM8Rfsk <ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net>
wrote:

>in article 418oebF1e3po0U3 [at] individual.net, BucketButt at
>bucketbutt [at] bellsout.net wrote on 12/25/05 4:31 PM:
>
>> William December Starr wrote:
>>> In article <olbrf.7085$LE4.1170 [at] fe09.lga>,
>>> Jack O'Neill <tokras [at] optonline.net> said:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hey, some politically correct gov't group will probably kill off
>>>> all Sci-Fi because there is no stinking muslim terrorists in any
>>>> of the shows.
>>>
>>>
>>> What the hell?
>>>
>>> No, wait, I probably don't really want to know.
>>
>> Lucky for us Tony Shalhoub was in "Men In Black", even if he was just a
>> fence and not a terrorist.<g>
>
>They still blew his head off .. .

.... and it REALY stung, too!

--
The Merry Piper
[http://tmpiper.livejournal.com]
If you want to dance, you'll have to pay ... me!
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190049 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 11:29
RaptorDriver  
jay <jriddle73 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1680r1hhfv0i8hr06r1r3cq6gjlfmfceba [at] 4ax.com:

> On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 08:24:47 GMT, "Kweeg" <kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca>
> wrote:

>> It just didn't have the same feeling as TOS "have
>> phaser will travel," especially with the new TNG
>> tecnobabble.
>
> TNG is also sort of sad, because it's essentially a
> monument to Gene Roddenberry's sharp, sharp
> decline as a creative force.

Why doesn't matter so much. TNG was made in a different era where
political correctness, a growing disdain for machismo among intellectuals
and dramatic improvement in special effects really hobbled it's ability to
have staying power. The writer's had so much material off limits, networks
demanded lots of phaser play and characters had to be so inoffensive that
most of them were bland.

TNG would have a good chance were it written today - there's less subject
matter off limits due to political correctness and everything has great
effects so there's no really easy out for the writers. Also the trend
towards story arcs in SciFi would have introduced some really interesting
possiblities to the plot line.

Regardless, TNG wasn't bad, it was watered down compared to other trek
products, especially the original.
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190050 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 14:20
Jaxtraw  
"Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote in message
news:43aec65e$0$11073$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl...

<snip>

> Does anyone remember 'Women's planet Mendusa' (aka Starmaidens),

I do, but I don't remember much about it. It had Judy Geeson in it.

> Otherworld,

Nope, don't remember that one.

> and Saphire and Steel?

Yep, but as I recall the first story was good, but the rest weren't. Also
Sapphire and Steel AREN'T ELEMENTS! God that annoyed me, even as a kid. Geek
geek geek...

> Or "Blake's 7"?

Lots of people remember that. My ex's sister ran a fan club, people write
slash about it, there's been repeated attempts to bring it back to the small
screen (a miniseries etc). Conventions. It's remembered. Avon. Whaddaguy. I
surprised Glynis Barber in the ladies room once, in the mid 80s. Phwooar.

> I think Doctor Who is also something that will live on.

Er, I think it already does... there was a new series last year...

Ian

--
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Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190051 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 14:18
EricT  
"Invid Fan" <invid [at] localnet.com> wrote in message
news:271220050024213884%invid [at] localnet.com...
> Too bad she was a horrible actress, doing a bad fake American accent.
> The character Peri was a little better in her second season, but not by
> much.
>
She had dialog? Never noticed. Ace was hot too, but Peri had the kind
of honkers you just wanted to get beat in the face with for hours on end.
I had a soft spot for Mel in my heart too. Had an actual girlfriend who
looked a lot like her.
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190052 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 14:33
Jaxtraw  
"Turk" <chicagoturk [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1135462823.870629.6900 [at] g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I don't think SF has a very good shelf life anymore, since we seem to
> be advancing so fast. On the other hand, fantasy, not subject to laws
> of nature or science, may last longer. So look for Hercules and Xena
> down the road.

It's probably more the case that there's so much of it now that it's
difficult for anything to stand out. There's always something new being made
to watch, so there's less excitement about any show, especially one that's
long-cancelled.

When TOS was on, there was nothing else like it, nothing even vaguely like
it. When I was a kid in the early 70s in the UK watching TOS reruns (I was
born in 66), the only sci-fi series on telly were TOS, Doctor Who (cardboard
sets, papier mache aliens, budget per episode: about 50p) and for a short
while Space 1999 (which has *not* aged well) and, er, that's it- late 70s we
had Blakes 7 and despite that being another BBC cheapie (budget: 75p) it was
still a major event when it started. And after that, um, Buck Rogers, with
that fecking robot and um Hawkman or whatever. That was good. Oh yes.

I think it's pretty much impossible for any TV show to become "another TOS",
just as it's really impossible for any band to be "another Beatles"- because
the whole media has changed. Science fiction/fantasy now *is* the mainstream
of the movie industry, and there's huge amounts of it on telly, because of
the rise of the fanboy/girl. Us lot. Our enthusiasm, that didn't dwindle
with age, for TOS, for Dr Who, for Star Wars, created that market. It just
wasn't there in 1967, when the highest rated show on US TV was The Beverley
Hillbillies or Mr Ed or whatever it was. :)

Ian

--
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Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190053 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 14:44
Sascha Broich  
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:20:06 -0000, Jaxtraw wrote:

> "Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote in message
> news:43aec65e$0$11073$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl...
>
>> I think Doctor Who is also something that will live on.
>
> Er, I think it already does... there was a new series last year...

This year, and BBC sent a movie two days ago:
| The Christmas Invasion on BBC ONE, 7pm 25 December 2005.
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/>


Sascha Broich
--
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ob man ein Mensch ist oder eine Maus.
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190054 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 14:51
Diane  
On 27/12/05 1:33 pm, in article 43b14194$0$900$db0fefd9 [at] news.zen.co.uk,
"Jaxtraw" <jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote:

> When TOS was on, there was nothing else like it, nothing even vaguely like
> it. When I was a kid in the early 70s in the UK watching TOS reruns (I was
> born in 66), the only sci-fi series on telly were TOS, Doctor Who (cardboard
> sets, papier mache aliens, budget per episode: about 50p) and for a short
> while Space 1999 (which has *not* aged well) and, er, that's it- late 70s we
> had Blakes 7 and despite that being another BBC cheapie (budget: 75p) it was
> still a major event when it started. And after that, um, Buck Rogers, with
> that fecking robot and um Hawkman or whatever. That was good. Oh yes.


Ah, some of use were born a good decade before you remember the very first
ep. Of TOS on UK TV - in the Dr Who slot, 5 to 5 on Sat. Very upset we were
to have Dr Who replaced by some American rubbish - and then I watched
mesmerised....

But did you never see Doomwatch??? Robert Powell as Dr Toby Wren, sort of
an early X Files... There was an episode with rats that sent my mother
scurrying to the kitchen to hide, she still talks about it....

http://www.nostalgiacentral.com/tv/drama/doomwatch.htm

Diane
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190055 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 15:22
ANIM8Rfsk  
in article Xns973937DDE9A93RaptorDriver [at] 204.127.199.17, RaptorDriver at
RaptorDriver [at] somewhere.else.com wrote on 12/27/05 3:29 AM:

> jay <jriddle73 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:1680r1hhfv0i8hr06r1r3cq6gjlfmfceba [at] 4ax.com:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 08:24:47 GMT, "Kweeg" <kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca>
>> wrote:
>
>>> It just didn't have the same feeling as TOS "have
>>> phaser will travel," especially with the new TNG
>>> tecnobabble.
>>
>> TNG is also sort of sad, because it's essentially a
>> monument to Gene Roddenberry's sharp, sharp
>> decline as a creative force.
>
> Why doesn't matter so much. TNG was made in a different era where
> political correctness, a growing disdain for machismo among intellectuals
> and dramatic improvement in special effects really hobbled it's ability to
> have staying power. The writer's had so much material off limits, networks
> demanded lots of phaser play and characters had to be so inoffensive that
> most of them were bland.
>
> TNG would have a good chance were it written today -

The TNG movies are worse than ever

there's less subject
> matter off limits due to political correctness and everything has great
> effects

Lots of stuff has amazingly bad effects

so there's no really easy out for the writers. Also the trend
> towards story arcs in SciFi would have introduced some really interesting
> possiblities to the plot line.
>
> Regardless, TNG wasn't bad, it was watered down compared to other trek
> products, especially the original.

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Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190056 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 15:50
cstacy  
"Jaxtraw" <jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> writes:
>
> When TOS was on, there was nothing else like it, nothing even vaguely like
> it. When I was a kid in the early 70s in the UK watching TOS reruns (I was
> born in 66), the only sci-fi series on telly were TOS, Doctor Who (cardboard
> sets, papier mache aliens, budget per episode: about 50p) and for a short
> while Space 1999 (which has *not* aged well) and, er, that's it- late 70s we
> had Blakes 7 and despite that being another BBC cheapie (budget: 75p) it was
> still a major event when it started. And after that, um, Buck Rogers, with
> that fecking robot and um Hawkman or whatever. That was good. Oh yes.
>
> I think it's pretty much impossible for any TV show to become "another TOS",
> just as it's really impossible for any band to be "another Beatles"- because
> the whole media has changed. Science fiction/fantasy now *is* the mainstream
> of the movie industry, and there's huge amounts of it on telly, because of
> the rise of the fanboy/girl. Us lot. Our enthusiasm, that didn't dwindle
> with age, for TOS, for Dr Who, for Star Wars, created that market. It just
> wasn't there in 1967, when the highest rated show on US TV was The Beverley
> Hillbillies or Mr Ed or whatever it was. :)

I remember when I was a kid and Star Trek debuted.

In the US, at the same time as Star Trek TOS, we had a bunch of sci-fi shows.
The ones I remember best are: The Outer Limits, The Invaders, The Time Tunnel,
and Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea. I also loved Fireball XL5.
(You might also consider The Wild, Wild, West to be science fiction.)
Lost In Space came out before Star Trek, but I didn't see it until
a littlelater, when I was already a trekkie.
Star Trek was, of course, the best of the lot.

Science fiction shows, and especially space travel shows, were not
created by Star Trek. They were the next step in the evolution of
a long tradition of sci-fi movies, with some of the most recently
influential movies being The Day The Earth Stood Still and Forbidden Planet.
The main cultural phenomenon involved in the 1960s were the Cold War,
and the Apollo space program. Every little boy wanted to be a spaceman.
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190057 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 15:55
apair  
In article <hcc1r1pn90igv16sn9ghnn0lcrm8l1o0iu [at] 4ax.com>, jay
<jriddle73 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:02:42 GMT, Phoney Baloney
> <fauxbologna [at] poser.com> wrote:
>
> >> it's got a bit more at stake than "Superman comes of age and
> >> gets a zit."
> >
> > Can you imagine the danger in Clark absently mindedly
> > popping his zit, and possibly taking out half the barn?! :-)
>
> --Sam Fuller Voice On--
> Ah, it's the stuff of DRAMA!

Not that anyone cares, but a favorite comic book scene of mine was when
Wonder Wart Hog "had his way" with hie equavelent of Lois Lane. Blew
her clean across town!

--
////////// \\\\\\\\\\\
The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity.
-- Harlan Ellison
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190058 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 17:13
BucketButt  
ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
> in article 418oebF1e3po0U3 [at] individual.net, BucketButt at
> bucketbutt [at] bellsout.net wrote on 12/25/05 4:31 PM:
>
>>Lucky for us Tony Shalhoub was in "Men In Black", even if he was just a
>>fence and not a terrorist.<g>
>
>
> They still blew his head off .. .

I hate when that happens! But as long as he can replace it by blowing a
bubble (or whatever he does), he's available for sequels. I wouldn't
mind seeing a third MIB movie, as long as the writing quality is maintained.

--
Walter Luffman Medina, TN USA
An equal opportunity annoyer
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190059 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 17:15
Ryan  
hunthurst [at] earthlink.net wrote:

> The point here is that ANY group or religion SHOULD be able to enjoy
> THEIR faith
> without being badgered or hassled by OTHER groups that think "THEIR"
> religion is the ONLY
> true religion on the planet,
> ----------------------------------------
> You mean like the people who insist you have to say Merry Christmas
> instead of Happy Holidays?
>

If you're not religious, what holiday are you celebrating this time of
year?

If I'm talking to a Jew, I'll say Happy Hannukah. If a Jew is talking
to me, he'll say Merry Christmas. I grew up with Jewish neighbors, so I
know for a fact that acknowledging somebody's religious holidays don't
kill you or twist your children into mindless drones.
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190060 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 17:27
Captain Slick  
"Eva" <eva1removethis [at] ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message
news:41bgoeF1dogbtU1 [at] individual.net...
> "Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote in message
> news:43b03bf1$0$11068$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl...
>> Eva wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> >> You're Dutch? Have you ever visited nl.kunst.sf+fantasy?
>> >
>> > No, I'm Czech but I live in the UK. Why did you think I was Dutch?
>> >
>>
>> I mistook part of the message with the .nl part as a Dutch e-mail
>> address.
>> Now I see that was just technical data of my news service. I'm probably
>> sleep deprived. :)
>
> :-) Well, at least it kind of made sense.
>
>> Plus the name Eva could be Dutch as well.
>
> I guess many languages will have a version of it, with the whole Adam and
> Eve thing. <g>
>
> Eva

It's Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, English, German, Dutch, Scandinavian,
Czech, Bulgarian, Russian. Latinate form of Eve, from the Hebrew name
Chavvah, which was derived from the Hebrew word chavah "to breathe" or the
related word chayah "to live". According to the Old Testament Book of
Genesis Eve and Adam were the first humans. She gave the forbidden fruit to
Adam, causing their expulsion from the Garden of Eden.

behindthename.com
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190061 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 17:51
BucketButt  
jay wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 20:59:52 -0700, ANIM8Rfsk <ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>I figure the two shows that will probably hold up best in
>>>re-runs are TNG (lot of timeless themes, classic sci-fi
>>>setting) and BSG (same reason). Perhaps DS9, though
>>>many episodes are really just soap opera that happens
>>>to be in a sci-fi setting.
>>
>>I couldn't disagree more on TNG. Whenever one comes
>>on, my two reactions are 'boy does this look dated (more
>>so that B5)' and 'oh, this one. this is a lousy one.'.
>
>
> Yeah, it was never very good the first time around, and
> the re-runs are just intolerable. It has no chance at all of
> standing the test of time. BSG, on the other hand, is a
> very grounded dramatic series with rock-solid writing,
> and virtually nothing to age it. The overwhelming majority
> of the audience it has the power to reach have never
> even seen it, and will begin to encounter it for the first
> time only when it's syndicated to "regular" stations. If it
> can go a few years at the level of quality so far
> achieved, it's heading for legend status.

The second-fastest way for a series to become dated, after tossing
topical references into the script, is for it to invite direct
comparison with another series. In the case of TNG, the comparison is
with all the other Star Trek series and movies. In other versions of
Star Trek, the ships (and the DS9 station) appeared to be functional
rather than plush. TNG's version of the /Enterprise/ looked and "felt"
more like a cruise ship with weaponry bolted on; even the bridge was so
spacious that it exuded luxury rather than military practicality. Maybe
it was just a reflection of that time-period's version of social
engineering, but it just wasn't practical. If the producers wanted a
floating city filled with families, it should have had a base rather
than a ship ... or perhaps a ship and its home-port base. DS9 *was* a
base of sorts, and even it was nowhere near as spacious as TNG's
/Enterprise/. TNG didn't feel like a genuine successor to TOS, but
rather some sort of cross of TOS with _The Love Boat_.

The most realistic scene I recall from TNG was in the pilot episode,
when Admiral Scott bumps his head on a low-hanging pipe or whatever.
Real military vessels are like that, and anyone who's served on one (or
even visited one in port) knows it. Every cubic inch is valuable, and
there's no budget for excess space.

(_Seaquest DSV_ was only a little better in this regard. Of course,
_Seaquest_ had so many other problems that the occasional scene set in a
cramped compartment made little difference.)

--
Walter Luffman Medina, TN USA
An equal opportunity annoyer
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190062 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 18:06
Jaxtraw  
"Ryan P." <rpaque [at] delete.this.part.wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:wMdsf.10100$7S.9880 [at] tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> hunthurst [at] earthlink.net wrote:
>
> > The point here is that ANY group or religion SHOULD be able to enjoy
> > THEIR faith
> > without being badgered or hassled by OTHER groups that think "THEIR"
> > religion is the ONLY
> > true religion on the planet,
> > ----------------------------------------
> > You mean like the people who insist you have to say Merry Christmas
> > instead of Happy Holidays?
> >
>
> If you're not religious, what holiday are you celebrating this time of
> year?

The midwinter having a good time and giving presents and seeing family and
friends festival.

> If I'm talking to a Jew, I'll say Happy Hannukah. If a Jew is talking
> to me, he'll say Merry Christmas. I grew up with Jewish neighbors, so I
> know for a fact that acknowledging somebody's religious holidays don't
> kill you or twist your children into mindless drones.

....which is why all this about Chrismtas under attack is such nonsense.
Organisations often send a more neutral greeting because they want to
include everybody. So they say "happy holidays" so that a christian can read
it as "happy christmas" or a jew as "happy hanukkah" or whatever. It's only
the christians who moan and moan about their imagined persecution, because
they want everybody saying "happy christmas". For a company, organisation,
shop etc it's entirely appropriate to say "happy holidays" or "seasons'
greetings" so that everybody can interpret it within their own belief system
and feel included. We just get this "what Christmas is *supposed* to be
about" drivel *every* year from the christians, who are terrified of
acknowledging that somebody out there doesn't believe their confused and
contradictory kiddies' tales about vagrant kings and shepherds and eternal
virgins and all that shit.

Ian
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190063 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 18:08
Jaxtraw  
"Bill Quinn" <CaptainSlick [at] verizon.net> wrote in message
news:CXdsf.1541$h24.499 [at] trndny05...
>
> "Eva" <eva1removethis [at] ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:41bgoeF1dogbtU1 [at] individual.net...
> > "Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote in message
> > news:43b03bf1$0$11068$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl...
> >> Eva wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >> >> You're Dutch? Have you ever visited nl.kunst.sf+fantasy?
> >> >
> >> > No, I'm Czech but I live in the UK. Why did you think I was Dutch?
> >> >
> >>
> >> I mistook part of the message with the .nl part as a Dutch e-mail
> >> address.
> >> Now I see that was just technical data of my news service. I'm probably
> >> sleep deprived. :)
> >
> > :-) Well, at least it kind of made sense.
> >
> >> Plus the name Eva could be Dutch as well.
> >
> > I guess many languages will have a version of it, with the whole Adam
and
> > Eve thing. <g>
> >
> > Eva
>
> It's Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, English, German, Dutch, Scandinavian,
> Czech, Bulgarian, Russian. Latinate form of Eve, from the Hebrew name
> Chavvah, which was derived from the Hebrew word chavah "to breathe" or the
> related word chayah "to live". According to the Old Testament Book of
> Genesis Eve and Adam were the first humans. She gave the forbidden fruit
to
> Adam, causing their expulsion from the Garden of Eden.
>

....because the snake tricked her, except um it wasn't a snake, it was SATAN,
and he's so evil, and, um, so God threw them out of the garden to stop them
eating from the other magic tree and becoming gods themselves, which is
impossible because there is only one god, and cursed snakes, because Satan
tricked them, no, a snake did it, and, um...
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190065 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 19:12
Kweeg  
"RaptorDriver" <RaptorDriver [at] somewhere.else.com> wrote in message
news:Xns973937DDE9A93RaptorDriver [at] 204.127.199.17...
> jay <jriddle73 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:1680r1hhfv0i8hr06r1r3cq6gjlfmfceba [at] 4ax.com:
>
> > On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 08:24:47 GMT, "Kweeg" <kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca>
> > wrote:
>
> >> It just didn't have the same feeling as TOS "have
> >> phaser will travel," especially with the new TNG
> >> tecnobabble.
> >
> > TNG is also sort of sad, because it's essentially a
> > monument to Gene Roddenberry's sharp, sharp
> > decline as a creative force.
>
> Why doesn't matter so much. TNG was made in a different era where
> political correctness, a growing disdain for machismo among intellectuals
> and dramatic improvement in special effects really hobbled it's ability to
> have staying power. The writer's had so much material off limits,
networks
> demanded lots of phaser play and characters had to be so inoffensive that
> most of them were bland.
>
> TNG would have a good chance were it written today - there's less subject
> matter off limits due to political correctness and everything has great
> effects so there's no really easy out for the writers. Also the trend
> towards story arcs in SciFi would have introduced some really interesting
> possiblities to the plot line.
>
> Regardless, TNG wasn't bad, it was watered down compared to other trek
> products, especially the original.


Indeed. But TNG was especially good when compared to Voyager......

--

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Re: Longest Shelf Life and the New Dr Who [message #190066 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 19:22
Kweeg  
"Sascha Broich" <nospam.usenet [at] sascha-broich.de> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:20:06 -0000, Jaxtraw wrote:
>
> > "Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote in message
> > news:43aec65e$0$11073$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl...
> >
> >> I think Doctor Who is also something that will live on.
> >
> > Er, I think it already does... there was a new series last year...
>
> This year, and BBC sent a movie two days ago:
> | The Christmas Invasion on BBC ONE, 7pm 25 December 2005.
> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/>


...and it was excellent, a ton o'fun!

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Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190067 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 19:37
Wouter Valentijn  
Bill Quinn wrote:
> "Eva" <eva1removethis [at] ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:41bgoeF1dogbtU1 [at] individual.net...
>> "Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote in message
>> news:43b03bf1$0$11068$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl...
>>> Eva wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>> You're Dutch? Have you ever visited nl.kunst.sf+fantasy?
>>>>
>>>> No, I'm Czech but I live in the UK. Why did you think I was Dutch?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I mistook part of the message with the .nl part as a Dutch e-mail
>>> address.
>>> Now I see that was just technical data of my news service. I'm
>>> probably sleep deprived. :)
>>
>> :-) Well, at least it kind of made sense.
>>
>>> Plus the name Eva could be Dutch as well.
>>
>> I guess many languages will have a version of it, with the whole
>> Adam and Eve thing. <g>
>>
>> Eva
>
> It's Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, English, German, Dutch,
> Scandinavian, Czech, Bulgarian, Russian. Latinate form of Eve, from
> the Hebrew name Chavvah, which was derived from the Hebrew word
> chavah "to breathe" or the related word chayah "to live". According
> to the Old Testament Book of Genesis Eve and Adam were the first
> humans. She gave the forbidden fruit to Adam, causing their expulsion
> from the Garden of Eden.
> behindthename.com

Yeah.
Only according to an older myth Eve wasn't the first wife of Adam.
First there was Lillith....
BTW, cool site.

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Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190068 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 19:38
Wouter Valentijn  
Eva wrote:
> "Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote in message
> news:43b03bf1$0$11068$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl...
>> Eva wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>>> You're Dutch? Have you ever visited nl.kunst.sf+fantasy?
>>>
>>> No, I'm Czech but I live in the UK. Why did you think I was Dutch?
>>>
>>
>> I mistook part of the message with the .nl part as a Dutch e-mail
>> address. Now I see that was just technical data of my news service.
>> I'm probably sleep deprived. :)
>
> :-) Well, at least it kind of made sense.

Thanks.

>
>> Plus the name Eva could be Dutch as well.
>
> I guess many languages will have a version of it, with the whole Adam
> and Eve thing. <g>
>

Indeed.


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Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190069 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 19:43
Jay  
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:12:00 GMT, "Kweeg" <kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca>
wrote:

>> Regardless, TNG wasn't bad, it was watered down compared
>> to other trek products, especially the original.
>
> Indeed. But TNG was especially good when compared to
> Voyager......

That's a bit like saying "this pile over here stinks less than
that pile over there." It may be true, but you don't want to
step in either.
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190070 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 19:48
Wouter Valentijn  
EricT wrote:
> "Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote in message
> news:43aec65e$0$11073$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl...
>>
>> I think Doctor Who is also something that will live on.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Wouter Valentijn
>
> Nothing like looking at Nicola Bryant's hooters when you are a
> teenager.
> http://members.fortunecity.com/noops212/nocola_bryant0062.jp g
>
> http://members.fortunecity.com/noops212/nocola_bryant0092.jp g
>
> http://members.fortunecity.com/noops212/nocola_bryant0024.jp g

Very nice!

From before the fourth Doctor?

This is Billy Piper:

http://www.365gunspor.com/unluler/resimler/1608.jpg


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Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190071 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 19:52
JKSinrod  
"jay" <jriddle73 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 20:59:52 -0700, ANIM8Rfsk <ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> >> I figure the two shows that will probably hold up best in
> >> re-runs are TNG (lot of timeless themes, classic sci-fi
> >> setting) and BSG (same reason). Perhaps DS9, though
> >> many episodes are really just soap opera that happens
> >> to be in a sci-fi setting.
> >
> > I couldn't disagree more on TNG. Whenever one comes
> > on, my two reactions are 'boy does this look dated (more
> > so that B5)' and 'oh, this one. this is a lousy one.'.
>
> Yeah, it was never very good the first time around, and
> the re-runs are just intolerable. It has no chance at all of
> standing the test of time. BSG, on the other hand, is a
> very grounded dramatic series with rock-solid writing,
> and virtually nothing to age it. The overwhelming majority
> of the audience it has the power to reach have never
> even seen it, and will begin to encounter it for the first
> time only when it's syndicated to "regular" stations. If it
> can go a few years at the level of quality so far
> achieved, it's heading for legend status.

I could not disagree with you more. TNG was by far the better show. Great
characters and the last of the great Trek scripts.


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Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190072 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 19:52
Wouter Valentijn  
BucketButt wrote:
> jay wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 20:59:52 -0700, ANIM8Rfsk <ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> I figure the two shows that will probably hold up best in
>>>> re-runs are TNG (lot of timeless themes, classic sci-fi
>>>> setting) and BSG (same reason). Perhaps DS9, though
>>>> many episodes are really just soap opera that happens
>>>> to be in a sci-fi setting.
>>>
>>> I couldn't disagree more on TNG. Whenever one comes
>>> on, my two reactions are 'boy does this look dated (more
>>> so that B5)' and 'oh, this one. this is a lousy one.'.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, it was never very good the first time around, and
>> the re-runs are just intolerable. It has no chance at all of
>> standing the test of time. BSG, on the other hand, is a
>> very grounded dramatic series with rock-solid writing,
>> and virtually nothing to age it. The overwhelming majority
>> of the audience it has the power to reach have never
>> even seen it, and will begin to encounter it for the first
>> time only when it's syndicated to "regular" stations. If it
>> can go a few years at the level of quality so far
>> achieved, it's heading for legend status.
>
> The second-fastest way for a series to become dated, after tossing
> topical references into the script, is for it to invite direct
> comparison with another series. In the case of TNG, the comparison is
> with all the other Star Trek series and movies. In other versions of
> Star Trek, the ships (and the DS9 station) appeared to be functional
> rather than plush. TNG's version of the /Enterprise/ looked and
> "felt" more like a cruise ship with weaponry bolted on; even the
> bridge was so spacious that it exuded luxury rather than military
> practicality. Maybe it was just a reflection of that time-period's
> version of social engineering, but it just wasn't practical. If the
> producers wanted a floating city filled with families, it should have
> had a base rather than a ship ... or perhaps a ship and its home-port
> base. DS9 *was* a base of sorts, and even it was nowhere near as
> spacious as TNG's /Enterprise/. TNG didn't feel like a genuine
> successor to TOS, but rather some sort of cross of TOS with _The Love
> Boat_.
> The most realistic scene I recall from TNG was in the pilot episode,
> when Admiral Scott bumps his head on a low-hanging pipe or whatever.
> Real military vessels are like that, and anyone who's served on one
> (or even visited one in port) knows it. Every cubic inch is
> valuable, and there's no budget for excess space.

Err, Scott never made Admiral. He was before he retired a captain of
Engineering.
The bumping the head took place in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.
Scotty was in TNG in the episode 'Relics'.
The TOS character in TNG's pilot was Admiral McCoy.

>
> (_Seaquest DSV_ was only a little better in this regard. Of course,
> _Seaquest_ had so many other problems that the occasional scene set
> in a cramped compartment made little difference.)


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Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190073 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 19:59
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Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190075 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 20:24
Jaxtraw  
"jay" <jriddle73 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0p23r19jb0b2dbk0j1e5r8turb0m0op1q5 [at] 4ax.com...
> On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:12:00 GMT, "Kweeg" <kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >> Regardless, TNG wasn't bad, it was watered down compared
> >> to other trek products, especially the original.
> >
> > Indeed. But TNG was especially good when compared to
> > Voyager......
>
> That's a bit like saying "this pile over here stinks less than
> that pile over there." It may be true, but you don't want to
> step in either.

TNG was watchable, and sometimes very enjoyable indeed. Voyager was
sometimes bearable.

Ian
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190077 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 21:52
Kweeg  
"Jaxtraw" <jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> wrote in message
news:43b193e9$0$29566$da0feed9 [at] news.zen.co.uk...
> "jay" <jriddle73 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0p23r19jb0b2dbk0j1e5r8turb0m0op1q5 [at] 4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:12:00 GMT, "Kweeg" <kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >> Regardless, TNG wasn't bad, it was watered down compared
> > >> to other trek products, especially the original.
> > >
> > > Indeed. But TNG was especially good when compared to
> > > Voyager......
> >
> > That's a bit like saying "this pile over here stinks less than
> > that pile over there." It may be true, but you don't want to
> > step in either.
>
> TNG was watchable, and sometimes very enjoyable indeed. Voyager was
> sometimes bearable.

LMAO! Indeed!

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Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190078 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 21:56
Kweeg  
"JK [at] work" <JKSinrod [at] verizon.net> wrote in message
news:z3gsf.1459$lv3.1279 [at] trndny03...
>
> "jay" <jriddle73 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:323vq1pimkad2i8dchvlg0743dh2qk5m7f [at] 4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 20:59:52 -0700, ANIM8Rfsk <ANIM8Rfsk [at] cox.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >> I figure the two shows that will probably hold up best in
> > >> re-runs are TNG (lot of timeless themes, classic sci-fi
> > >> setting) and BSG (same reason). Perhaps DS9, though
> > >> many episodes are really just soap opera that happens
> > >> to be in a sci-fi setting.
> > >
> > > I couldn't disagree more on TNG. Whenever one comes
> > > on, my two reactions are 'boy does this look dated (more
> > > so that B5)' and 'oh, this one. this is a lousy one.'.
> >
> > Yeah, it was never very good the first time around, and
> > the re-runs are just intolerable. It has no chance at all of
> > standing the test of time. BSG, on the other hand, is a
> > very grounded dramatic series with rock-solid writing,
> > and virtually nothing to age it. The overwhelming majority
> > of the audience it has the power to reach have never
> > even seen it, and will begin to encounter it for the first
> > time only when it's syndicated to "regular" stations. If it
> > can go a few years at the level of quality so far
> > achieved, it's heading for legend status.
>
> I could not disagree with you more. TNG was by far the better show.

Heh, well, I could not disagree with you more, TOS was by far the better
show. (Better movies too)


> Great characters and the last of the great Trek scripts.

Your thinking of DS9......{{;-/>

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Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190079 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 22:05
Michael Bowker  
Straker wrote:
> In article <vj1sf.9727$9e.8782 [at] tornado.texas.rr.com>, EricT
> <ericT2 [at] somewhere.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote in message
>>news:43aec65e$0$11073$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl...
>>
>>>I think Doctor Who is also something that will live on.
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Wouter Valentijn
>>
>>Nothing like looking at Nicola Bryant's hooters when you are a teenager.
>>
>> http://members.fortunecity.com/noops212/nocola_bryant0062.jp g
>>
>> http://members.fortunecity.com/noops212/nocola_bryant0092.jp g
>>
>> http://members.fortunecity.com/noops212/nocola_bryant0024.jp g
>
>
> Oh, sure, leave out the topless shots. Oh, wait. I have them already.
> Never mind.

Well how about sharing? Pointers? Hints?
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190080 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 22:11
Jaxtraw  
"Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote in message
news:43b18c9b$0$11063$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl...
> EricT wrote:
> > "Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote in message
> > news:43aec65e$0$11073$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl...
> >>
> >> I think Doctor Who is also something that will live on.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Wouter Valentijn
> >
> > Nothing like looking at Nicola Bryant's hooters when you are a
> > teenager.
> > http://members.fortunecity.com/noops212/nocola_bryant0062.jp g
> >
> > http://members.fortunecity.com/noops212/nocola_bryant0092.jp g
> >
> > http://members.fortunecity.com/noops212/nocola_bryant0024.jp g
>
> Very nice!
>
> From before the fourth Doctor?
>
> This is Billy Piper:
>
> http://www.365gunspor.com/unluler/resimler/1608.jpg
>

She's been simply brilliant. The best companion so far.

But Nicola Bryant did have the best boobies, and was probably the most
significant ratings factor for the tired 80s Doctor Who. Her cleavage was
even the main focus of Davison's regeneration scene :)

Ian
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190082 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 22:17
Jaxtraw  
"Michael Bowker" <mikeb [at] blueneptune.com> wrote in message
news:11r3b50l66a00f [at] corp.supernews.com...
> Straker wrote:
> > In article <vj1sf.9727$9e.8782 [at] tornado.texas.rr.com>, EricT
> > <ericT2 [at] somewhere.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>"Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote in message
> >>news:43aec65e$0$11073$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl...
> >>
> >>>I think Doctor Who is also something that will live on.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Wouter Valentijn
> >>
> >>Nothing like looking at Nicola Bryant's hooters when you are a teenager.
> >>
> >> http://members.fortunecity.com/noops212/nocola_bryant0062.jp g
> >>
> >> http://members.fortunecity.com/noops212/nocola_bryant0092.jp g
> >>
> >> http://members.fortunecity.com/noops212/nocola_bryant0024.jp g
> >
> >
> > Oh, sure, leave out the topless shots. Oh, wait. I have them already.
> > Never mind.
>
> Well how about sharing? Pointers? Hints?

2nded
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190083 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 22:36
ANIM8Rfsk  
in article 11r3b50l66a00f [at] corp.supernews.com, Michael Bowker at
mikeb [at] blueneptune.com wrote on 12/27/05 2:05 PM:

> Straker wrote:
>> In article <vj1sf.9727$9e.8782 [at] tornado.texas.rr.com>, EricT
>> <ericT2 [at] somewhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote in message
>>> news:43aec65e$0$11073$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl...
>>>
>>>> I think Doctor Who is also something that will live on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Wouter Valentijn
>>>
>>> Nothing like looking at Nicola Bryant's hooters when you are a teenager.
>>>
>>> http://members.fortunecity.com/noops212/nocola_bryant0062.jp g
>>>
>>> http://members.fortunecity.com/noops212/nocola_bryant0092.jp g
>>>
>>> http://members.fortunecity.com/noops212/nocola_bryant0024.jp g
>>
>>
>> Oh, sure, leave out the topless shots. Oh, wait. I have them already.
>> Never mind.
>
> Well how about sharing? Pointers? Hints?

I'm going to take "topless shots? how about sharing pointers?" as an
unfortunate choice of words.

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Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190084 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 23:04
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hunthurst [at] earthlink.net wrote:

>The point here is that ANY group or religion SHOULD be able to enjoy
>THEIR faith
>without being badgered or hassled by OTHER groups that think "THEIR"
>religion is the ONLY
>true religion on the planet,
>----------------------------------------
>You mean like the people who insist you have to say Merry Christmas
>instead of Happy Holidays?
>
>
>
NO, the people that say you CAN'T say Merry Christmas!

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> I have to tell you that after not seeing an ep of DS9 in a long time,
>(it
>was never in really in reruns here in NY because of the Trek glut at the
>time it went off), I was really blown away at how good it was.
>
>
>
DS9 was OK but when they started getting into the political crap every week
it went too far. Never saw the last year or so of it.

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(it
was never in really in reruns here in NY because of the Trek glut at the
time it went off), I was really blown away at how good it was.

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Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190086 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 23:12
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Eva wrote:

>"Wouter Valentijn" <liam [at] valentijn.nu> wrote in message
>news:43af18a2$0$11077$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl...
>
>
>>Eva wrote:
>>
>>
>
><snip>
>
>
>
>>>He's my favourite character. As for the show, it's been a
>>>disappointment so far (ie up to 122).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I've seen up to the second ep of the second season.
>>You're Dutch? Have you ever visited nl.kunst.sf+fantasy?
>>
>>
>
>No, I'm Czech but I live in the UK. Why did you think I was Dutch?
>
>Eva
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>
>
>
What's up in the UK??

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<pre wrap="">"Wouter Valentijn" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:liam [at] valentijn.nu">&lt;liam [at] valentijn.nu&gt;</a> wrote in message
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="news:43af18a2$0$11077$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl">news:43af18a2$0$11077$e4fe514c [at] news.xs4all.nl</a>...
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<pre wrap="">He's my favourite character. As for the show, it's been a
disappointment so far (ie up to 122).

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<pre wrap="">I've seen up to the second ep of the second season.
You're Dutch? Have you ever visited nl.kunst.sf+fantasy?
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No, I'm Czech but I live in the UK. Why did you think I was Dutch?

Eva
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<font size="+1"><font face="Arial">What's up in the UK??<br>
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Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190087 ] Di, 27 Dezember 2005 23:28
Jaxtraw  
"Jack O'Neill" <tokras [at] optonline.net> wrote in message
news:6Tisf.8763$LE4.5524 [at] fe09.lga...
> hunthurst [at] earthlink.net wrote:
>
> >The point here is that ANY group or religion SHOULD be able to enjoy
> >THEIR faith
> >without being badgered or hassled by OTHER groups that think "THEIR"
> >religion is the ONLY
> >true religion on the planet,
> >----------------------------------------
> >You mean like the people who insist you have to say Merry Christmas
> >instead of Happy Holidays?
> >
> >
> >
> NO, the people that say you CAN'T say Merry Christmas!
>

Do you have an actual example? I can't speak for other countries, but here
in the UK, it's a myth, as this article

http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/0000000CAEE2.htm

demonstrates.

Ian
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190090 ] Mi, 28 Dezember 2005 00:35
Edward McArdle  
In article <yzlacemzjai.fsf [at] OSX663.local>,
cstacy [at] news.dtpq.com (Christopher C. Stacy) wrote:

> "Jaxtraw" <jax [at] knickersjaxtrawstudios.com> writes:
> >
> > When TOS was on, there was nothing else like it, nothing even vaguely like
> > it. When I was a kid in the early 70s in the UK watching TOS reruns (I was
> > born in 66), the only sci-fi series on telly were TOS, Doctor Who
> > (cardboard
> > sets, papier mache aliens, budget per episode: about 50p) and for a short
> > while Space 1999 (which has *not* aged well) and, er, that's it- late 70s
> > we
> > had Blakes 7 and despite that being another BBC cheapie (budget: 75p) it
> > was
> > still a major event when it started. And after that, um, Buck Rogers, with
> > that fecking robot and um Hawkman or whatever. That was good. Oh yes.
> >
> > I think it's pretty much impossible for any TV show to become "another
> > TOS",
> > just as it's really impossible for any band to be "another Beatles"-
> > because
> > the whole media has changed. Science fiction/fantasy now *is* the
> > mainstream
> > of the movie industry, and there's huge amounts of it on telly, because of
> > the rise of the fanboy/girl. Us lot. Our enthusiasm, that didn't dwindle
> > with age, for TOS, for Dr Who, for Star Wars, created that market. It just
> > wasn't there in 1967, when the highest rated show on US TV was The Beverley
> > Hillbillies or Mr Ed or whatever it was. :)
>
> I remember when I was a kid and Star Trek debuted.
>
> In the US, at the same time as Star Trek TOS, we had a bunch of sci-fi shows.
> The ones I remember best are: The Outer Limits, The Invaders, The Time
> Tunnel,
> and Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea. I also loved Fireball XL5.
> (You might also consider The Wild, Wild, West to be science fiction.)
> Lost In Space came out before Star Trek, but I didn't see it until
> a littlelater, when I was already a trekkie.
> Star Trek was, of course, the best of the lot.
>
> Science fiction shows, and especially space travel shows, were not
> created by Star Trek. They were the next step in the evolution of
> a long tradition of sci-fi movies, with some of the most recently
> influential movies being The Day The Earth Stood Still and Forbidden Planet.


And it's amazing how well Forbidden Planet still holds up. I think
TDTESS is quite dated.

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Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190092 ] Mi, 28 Dezember 2005 01:12
David Chapman  
From the Collected Witterings of BucketButt, volume 23:
>I wouldn't
> mind seeing a third MIB movie, as long as the writing quality is
> maintained.

Which translates either to "I would rather gouge my eyes out with a rusty
spoon than see a third MiB movie" or "I am a drooling retard whose opinion
on movies is worth less than the shit you wipe off your arse with the hard
copy of it". MiB2 didn't maintain the writing quality of the first.

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Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #190098 ] Mi, 28 Dezember 2005 02:32
ToolPackinMama  
Jaxtraw wrote:

> Indeed. GR was also responsible for monstrosities like The Omega Glory and
> Bread And Circuses. Not a great writer.

Hey, wait. Those eps were imperfect, but they did have their charms.
They weren't really among the worst, IMHO.


> Diana Muldaur who isn't frankly that hot and needs to wear more
> clothes

<screamLOL>highfive!</screamLOL>

> No disrespect to GR, but I think his primary success with
> TOS was in collecting a fine creative team that *could* create something
> really special; and in his shrewd doggedness about what he was determined to
> defend (e.g. the basic premise, Spock).

I am particularly interested in his shrewed doggedness about the
Kirk/Spock relationship. I love this GR quote:

<< We [the interviewers] tell Gene [Roddenberry] something of our recent
interview with Bill [Shatner] and Leonard [Nimoy] - touching on the
Kirk-Spock relationship, and Nimoy's feeling that Kirk was essential to
Spock's life:

"I know you've told us you designed that relationship as 'Two halves
which come together to make a whole'. Is that how you still see it?"

[Roddenberry]: "Oh yes. As I've said, I definitely designed it as a love
relationship."

[From: Shatner: Where No Man...: The Authorized Biography of William
Shatner (Chapter 7 - Page 145]
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