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Science Fiction » alt.startrek » Longest Shelf Life
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #202264 ] So, 15 Januar 2006 17:40
Captain Infinity  
Once Upon A Time Tim McGaughy wrote:

>Mark Nobles wrote:
>> David Chapman <jedit_ojanen8 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>From the Collected Witterings of Captain Infinity, volume 23:
>>>
>>>>Once Upon A Time Kweeg wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Stories too hard for you to understand?
>>>>
>>>>Stories too stupid for me to enjoy. A spaceship full of cows? The
>>>>Muppets did it better.
>>>
>>>Jesus Christ... I've been slating Failfly for being like Space Truckers but
>>>not as good, and now you tell me that it ripped off the livestock
>>>transporting plot *too*?
>>
>>
>> Sweet Zombie Jesus, now you tell me you have never even seen the show
>> and all your ranting about how bad it is is based on nothing but pure
>> ignorance? If you had seen the show you would have known about the
>> cattle drive.
>
>I've seen the show.
>
>Didn't stick around long enough for this cattle drive you speak of.

You didn't miss much. The first half of the episode dealt with the crew
carrying a herd of cows in the cargo hold. The second half dealt with
Jane shoveling tons of cow shit into the ship's furnace.


**
Captain Infinity
..."That robot reminds me of you: tell it to stop, it turns.
Tell it to turn, it stops. Tell it to take out the garbage,
it watches reruns of Firefly." --"Bones"
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #202265 ] So, 15 Januar 2006 18:29
Jette Goldie  
"David Chapman" <jedit_ojanen8 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dqc83a$3jn$10$8302bc10 [at] news.demon.co.uk...
> From the Collected Witterings of Jette Goldie, volume 23:
>
>> Every showing at the FF was sold out.
>
> Yes. Early screenings usually are, as nobody knows how good the film is
> yet.
>
>> When it finally opened
>> fully in the UK it ran to packed houses for weeks,
>
> Maybe in your parallel universe. In this one, it ran to mostly full
> houses for three days (though I saw it on opening day and the cinema was
> only just over half full), then to medium houses for the rest of the week.
> In week 2 its takings dropped off 60% - often a harbinger of an overhyped
> film that turns out to be shit - and by week 3 it was down to late-night
> showings in the smallest screens of multiplexes.


Oh, I only live next door to a major cinema multiplex - it has the
largest screen in Edinburgh. Ran for six weeks here - sure by
week 6 it was down to only two screenings per day, but it was
still running. Every showing I went to was at least half full
(though I admit I didn't go every day). (I have one of those
"unlimited" cinema cards, so I go to the cinema several times
a week)

BTW, I'm not a big fan of Joss Wedon - I hated Buffy, for
example, watched Angel but could happily miss it if something
better was on the other side and didn't need to tape it if I was
going to be out.


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Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #202267 ] So, 15 Januar 2006 18:58
Wouter Valentijn  
Kweeg wrote:
> "David Chapman" <jedit_ojanen8 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:dqc839$3jn$6$8302bc10 [at] news.demon.co.uk...
>> From the Collected Witterings of Kweeg, volume 23:
>>> "David Chapman" <jedit_ojanen8 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:dq9i8v$f84$3$8300dec7 [at] news.demon.co.uk...
>>>> No, just Nathan Fillion. When your lead actor's completely fucking
>>>> unintelligible abnout a third of the time, your show is doomed.
>>>
>>> Americans always seem to have a problem understanding accents don't
>>> they? U n l e s s y u ' a l l t a l k r e a l s l o w.
>>
>> I'm not American, Sparky. The .co.uk in my NNTP host might have
>> clued you into that, if you weren't so het up to be a dick.
>
> You seem to like talking about dicks....

Disturbing...


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Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #202269 ] So, 15 Januar 2006 19:12
Wouter Valentijn  
Lance Corporal "Hammer" Schultz wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:53:11 +0100, Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>
>> Lance Corporal "Hammer" Schultz wrote:
>>> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:24:21 GMT, Captain Infinity wrote:
>>>
>>>> Once Upon A Time Dillon Pyron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Firefly was mishandled from the beginning. It was almost as if
>>>>> Fox wanted it to fail.
>>>>
>>>> Someone at Fox probably watched a few of the episodes. I tried
>>>> that and wanted it to fail, too.
>>>
>>> I never got past the pilot.
>>
>> I assume you mean the second pilot (The Train Job).
>
> By pilot, I mean the first one they showed on TV. So yeah, The Train
> Job.
>
>> I stuck with it and watched every other episode after that one,
>> including the *real* pilot episode.
>
> By "stuck with it" do you mean that you didn't particularly care for
> _The Train Job_ and it got better?

Meaning that I found that this was a space opera that took some adjusting.
It's an acquired taste. The way the captain dealt with those wise
guys...Wow!
If they had shown the two parter 'Serenity' (the *real* pilot) first, it
would have gone smoother.
After seeing the 'Train Job' I stuck with it because I found the characters
to be appealing. Very Whedonesque. And besides, the TJ got a sequel to it
later on in the series that was *way* better. It dealt with the consequences
of the decisions made by Malcolm Reynolds. "Do you want to meet the real
me?!?" ;)

>
>> But then again, I already was a huge Whedon fan.
>
> Well, I'm not a huge Whedon fan. He too quickly decelerates into
> sleaze when he runs out of ideas -- IMO. But, I watched just about
> every episode of Buffy and Angel with my wife, and I was hoping for a
> winner with Firefly. But after watching _The Train Job_ I just
> couldn't get interested in the series.

Sleaze?


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The glory of creation is in its infinite diversity and the ways our
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Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #202279 ] Mo, 16 Januar 2006 00:49
Mark Nobles  
Tim McGaughy <teekem [at] ispwest.com> wrote:

> Mark Nobles wrote:
> > David Chapman <jedit_ojanen8 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>From the Collected Witterings of Captain Infinity, volume 23:
> >>
> >>>Once Upon A Time Kweeg wrote:
> >>
> >>>>Stories too hard for you to understand?
> >>>
> >>>Stories too stupid for me to enjoy. A spaceship full of cows? The
> >>>Muppets did it better.
> >>
> >>Jesus Christ... I've been slating Failfly for being like Space Truckers but
> >>not as good, and now you tell me that it ripped off the livestock
> >>transporting plot *too*?
> >
> >
> > Sweet Zombie Jesus, now you tell me you have never even seen the show
> > and all your ranting about how bad it is is based on nothing but pure
> > ignorance? If you had seen the show you would have known about the
> > cattle drive.
>
> I've seen the show.
>
> Didn't stick around long enough for this cattle drive you speak of.
>
You've already acknowledged you don't know what you are talking about.
No need to be repetitious.

Good day.
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #202281 ] Mo, 16 Januar 2006 01:15
David Chapman  
From the Collected Witterings of Jette Goldie, volume 23:
> "David Chapman" <jedit_ojanen8 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:dqc83a$3jn$10$8302bc10 [at] news.demon.co.uk...
>> From the Collected Witterings of Jette Goldie, volume 23:
>>
>>> Every showing at the FF was sold out.
>>
>> Yes. Early screenings usually are, as nobody knows how good the film is
>> yet.
>>
>>> When it finally opened
>>> fully in the UK it ran to packed houses for weeks,
>>
>> Maybe in your parallel universe. In this one, it ran to mostly full
>> houses for three days (though I saw it on opening day and the cinema was
>> only just over half full), then to medium houses for the rest of the
>> week. In week 2 its takings dropped off 60% - often a harbinger of an
>> overhyped film that turns out to be shit - and by week 3 it was down to
>> late-night showings in the smallest screens of multiplexes.

> Oh, I only live next door to a major cinema multiplex - it has the
> largest screen in Edinburgh. Ran for six weeks here - sure by
> week 6 it was down to only two screenings per day, but it was
> still running.

Must have been the only cinema in the country that did so, then.

Here's Serenity's week-by-week UK box office grosses:

First three days: £958,816 (355 Screens, daily takings of £900 per screen)
Day 4-10: £1,269,102 (348 Screens, daily takings £521 per screen)
Day 11-17: £131,890 (228 screens, daily takings £82.63 per screen)
Day 18-24: £231,142(125 Screens, daily takings £264 per screen)

As you can see, while there was a renaissance in week 4 as the fans went to
see it one more time because they knew it was their last chance, Serenity
most certainly did not "run to packed houses for weeks".


--
"My son is not a terrorist - he is a junior IT support officer."
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #202282 ] Mo, 16 Januar 2006 01:00
David Chapman  
From the Collected Witterings of Mark Nobles, volume 23:
> David Chapman <jedit_ojanen8 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

>> Jesus Christ... I've been slating Failfly for being like Space Truckers
>> but not as good, and now you tell me that it ripped off the livestock
>> transporting plot *too*?
>
> Sweet Zombie Jesus, now you tell me you have never even seen the show
> and all your ranting about how bad it is is based on nothing but pure
> ignorance? If you had seen the show you would have known about the
> cattle drive.

One does not have to watch every episode of a shitty show to realise that it
is shit.

--
"My son is not a terrorist - he is a junior IT support officer."
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #202285 ] Mo, 16 Januar 2006 02:51
Tim McGaughy  
Mark Nobles wrote:
> Tim McGaughy <teekem [at] ispwest.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Mark Nobles wrote:
>>
>>>David Chapman <jedit_ojanen8 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>From the Collected Witterings of Captain Infinity, volume 23:
>>>
>>>>>Once Upon A Time Kweeg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>Stories too hard for you to understand?
>>>>>
>>>>>Stories too stupid for me to enjoy. A spaceship full of cows? The
>>>>>Muppets did it better.
>>>>
>>>>Jesus Christ... I've been slating Failfly for being like Space Truckers but
>>>>not as good, and now you tell me that it ripped off the livestock
>>>>transporting plot *too*?
>>>
>>>
>>>Sweet Zombie Jesus, now you tell me you have never even seen the show
>>>and all your ranting about how bad it is is based on nothing but pure
>>>ignorance? If you had seen the show you would have known about the
>>>cattle drive.
>>
>>I've seen the show.
>>
>>Didn't stick around long enough for this cattle drive you speak of.
>>
>
> You've already acknowledged you don't know what you are talking about.

Check the quotes, Chuckles. I didn't acknowledge shit.

The post you replied to was my first post in this thread.
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #202292 ] Mo, 16 Januar 2006 05:19
Vince  
David Chapman wrote:
> From the Collected Witterings of Mark Nobles, volume 23:
>
>>David Chapman <jedit_ojanen8 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>Jesus Christ... I've been slating Failfly for being like Space Truckers
>>>but not as good, and now you tell me that it ripped off the livestock
>>>transporting plot *too*?
>>
>>Sweet Zombie Jesus, now you tell me you have never even seen the show
>>and all your ranting about how bad it is is based on nothing but pure
>>ignorance? If you had seen the show you would have known about the
>>cattle drive.
>
>
> One does not have to watch every episode of a shitty show to realise that it
> is shit.
>
I liked "Homeboys in Other Space" better than "FIREFLY"
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #202296 ] Mo, 16 Januar 2006 11:33
Kweeg  
"David Chapman" <jedit_ojanen8 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dqdbmf$8b1$3$8300dec7 [at] news.demon.co.uk...
> From the Collected Witterings of Kweeg, volume 23:
> > "David Chapman" <jedit_ojanen8 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:dqc839$3jn$8$8302bc10 [at] news.demon.co.uk...
> >> From the Collected Witterings of Kweeg, volume 23:
> >>
> >>> Budweiser: worth billions, sold world wide;
> >>> Lighthouse Brewery: worth maybe a million or two, sold locally;
> >>> Better beer? If one actually *likes* beer, Lighthouse products by far.
> >>
> >> So you're saying that Serenity only took $38 million because it was
only
> >> shown locally?
> >>
> >> Oh, wait - Serenity was shown world wide. Guess your analogy is
> >> completely moronic, huh?
> >
> > Are you really that much of an idiot or do you just play one on Usenet?
> > Here, do some reading on real ale:
> > http://www.camra.org.uk
> > Then tell me why Budweiser is better.
>
> I already know more about Real Ale than you can learn from CAMRA, and I
> don't think Bud is better than it (though I don't like either).

Gee you must be a very successful brewmaster if you know more than the
combined knowledge of Real Ale lovers or, more likely, just full of
yourself.


> However, as
> I've already said once and you're too stupid to understand, your analogy
> does not fail because local microbrews actually are better than Bud. It
> fails because Serenity is *not* the movie equivalent of a microbrew - it's
> the equivalent of a global brand that most people don't drink because it's
> vile.

OK I'll type slow so you get this... real ale is crafted and available most
places in the world, granted it's all different, but it's still real ale,
appealing to discerning tastes. But you'll probably tell me different as
you're *so* clever. Just because something makes more money does not make it
a better or superior product. But you and "Captain Infinity" enjoy your
pabulum whipped up and spoon fed to you, someone's gotta buy the crap geared
for the lowest common denominator. If you're lucky maybe Lucus will do
another Phantom Menace as by the criteria you set for good it was better
than Serenity.

--

Qapla'
Kweeg
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Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #202298 ] Mo, 16 Januar 2006 13:24
David Chapman  
From the Collected Witterings of Kweeg, volume 23:

> OK I'll type slow so you get this...

<snip more wittering braindead drivel defending a false analogy>

You're a fucking idiot, and I'm not going to waste any more time on you.
Goodbye.

<plonk>

(And before you open your craw to suggest that I'm running away from the
argument because I know I can't win - a popular tactic of twitching morons
like you - note that I'm not plonking Mark Nobles or Jette Goldie, both of
whom are equally vociferous fans of Firefly *and* more articulate than you.)

--
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Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #203946 ] Mi, 18 Januar 2006 18:54
Jette Goldie  
"David Chapman" <jedit_ojanen8 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dqeoto$4sl$4$8300dec7 [at] news.demon.co.uk...
> From the Collected Witterings of Jette Goldie, volume 23:
>> "David Chapman" <jedit_ojanen8 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:dqc83a$3jn$10$8302bc10 [at] news.demon.co.uk...
>>> From the Collected Witterings of Jette Goldie, volume 23:
>>>
>>>> Every showing at the FF was sold out.
>>>
>>> Yes. Early screenings usually are, as nobody knows how good the film is
>>> yet.
>>>
>>>> When it finally opened
>>>> fully in the UK it ran to packed houses for weeks,
>>>
>>> Maybe in your parallel universe. In this one, it ran to mostly full
>>> houses for three days (though I saw it on opening day and the cinema was
>>> only just over half full), then to medium houses for the rest of the
>>> week. In week 2 its takings dropped off 60% - often a harbinger of an
>>> overhyped film that turns out to be shit - and by week 3 it was down to
>>> late-night showings in the smallest screens of multiplexes.
>
>> Oh, I only live next door to a major cinema multiplex - it has the
>> largest screen in Edinburgh. Ran for six weeks here - sure by
>> week 6 it was down to only two screenings per day, but it was
>> still running.
>
> Must have been the only cinema in the country that did so, then.
>
> Here's Serenity's week-by-week UK box office grosses:
>
> First three days: £958,816 (355 Screens, daily takings of £900 per screen)
> Day 4-10: £1,269,102 (348 Screens, daily takings £521 per screen)
> Day 11-17: £131,890 (228 screens, daily takings £82.63 per screen)
> Day 18-24: £231,142(125 Screens, daily takings £264 per screen)


Strangely enough it is STILL RUNNING. This weekend, in London,
just off Leicester Square. Just the one screening, but still running.
(that's Saturday 21st Jan 2006)

So, obviously not everyone agrees with your assessment.


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Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #204022 ] Sa, 21 Januar 2006 02:55
Andy  
ToolPackinMama wrote:

> Kweeg wrote:
>> "Captain Infinity" <Infinity [at] captaininfinity.us> wrote in message
>> news:82lgs1pt22l97p5lk2f058jcahmju1jfo0 [at] 4ax.com...
>
>>>Serenity: $38,795,959
>>>The Muppet Movie: $65,200,000 (and that's just Domestic)
>>>
>>>I'm laughing *at* you, not with you.
>>
>>
>> You point?
>> Lets try beer:
>> Budweiser: worth billions, sold world wide;
>> Lighthouse Brewery: worth maybe a million or two, sold locally;
>> Better beer? If one actually *likes* beer, Lighthouse products by far.
>>
>> Stick with your Muppets, let us know if the concepts or language is too
>> hard for you.
>
> ::highfive!::

Captain Infinity isn't old enough to drink anything other than warm milk :)
Nice comeback, Kweeg, but wasn't that a bit like swatting mosquitoes with a
battle-axe? ;-)

--
A
There is no Chip, it's a figment of your lack of imagination.
Re: Longest Shelf Life [message #204135 ] Mi, 25 Januar 2006 08:42
Steve nunya  
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David Chapman wrote in message ...
>From the Collected Witterings of Kweeg, volume 23:
>> "David Chapman" <jedit_ojanen8 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:dqc839$3jn$8$8302bc10 [at] news.demon.co.uk...
>>> From the Collected Witterings of Kweeg, volume 23:
>>>
>>>> Budweiser: worth billions, sold world wide;
>>>> Lighthouse Brewery: worth maybe a million or two, sold locally;
>>>> Better beer? If one actually *likes* beer, Lighthouse products by far.
>>>
>>> So you're saying that Serenity only took $38 million because it was only
>>> shown locally?
>>>
>>> Oh, wait - Serenity was shown world wide. Guess your analogy is
>>> completely moronic, huh?
>>
>> Are you really that much of an idiot or do you just play one on Usenet?
>> Here, do some reading on real ale:
>> http://www.camra.org.uk
>> Then tell me why Budweiser is better.
>
>I already know more about Real Ale than you can learn from CAMRA, and I
>don't think Bud is better than it (though I don't like either). However,
as
>I've already said once and you're too stupid to understand, your analogy
>does not fail because local microbrews actually are better than Bud. It
>fails because Serenity is *not* the movie equivalent of a microbrew - it's
>the equivalent of a global brand that most people don't drink because it's
>vile.
>
>--
>"My son is not a terrorist - he is a junior IT support officer."
>
Not true.
the muppets and sesame street are household names,
have been for 2 decades.
Firefly is new and I have only seen it on DVD over here in Oz.
Far from a household name
so your talking decades of exposure V's limmited mths of exposure
the comparision is valid.

That said I can see why Serenity has a limmited market
At best its like a stout in beer terms.
Those who like them really like them those that dont hate them.
I personnal think its a good fun SciFi but to some die hard
SciFi fans it could be a bit.......well...silly maybe.
I know I can watch it before I can BSG, thats for sure.
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